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[03:21] <gerbert> what would be the right place to add new java script for tikilistpages? i tryied tiki-js - does not seem to work
[04:09] <chealer> gerbert: tiki-js should be a choice
[04:10] <gerbert> yes. i got it .thx
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[04:22] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: V4.1 V3.4 No insert image or picture option in a reply  - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36374
[04:22] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: V4.1 V3.4 Default sort mode under threads - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36373
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[04:54] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25243 10/trunk/ (72 files in 72 dirs): [FIX] Registration with passcode: typo "sytem"
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[06:16] <coaboa> good morning
[06:26] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25244 10/trunk/lib/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25245 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Admin users from bad merge in r23669
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Password choice input:
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [ENH] Password fields behavior
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Register: Caps lock detection
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Register: graphical password strength display
[06:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Admin users: entered password cleared when navigating
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[07:26] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25246 10/trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Installer: toggling display of failed queries (r24794 regression)
[08:32] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3041 - - Links to blog posts aren’t working - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3041
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[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03idou * r25247 10/branches/experimental/coe_filegal_manager/ (16 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: > Upload > Duplicate > Change stylesheet (duplicate.jpg) (use smarty remarksbox)
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Done. that I have and it should be better that way?
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: > Quick upload and insert > div height problem
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Fixed
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: > Make div draggable
[08:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Done.
[08:36] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03idou * r25248 10/branches/experimental/coe_filegal_manager/templates/ (file_galleries.tpl list_file_gallery_content.tpl): Missing files
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[08:58] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25249 10/trunk/installer/installlib.php: [FIX] standalone PHP schema scripts not recorded as installed (r25204 regression)
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[09:04] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25250 10/trunk/installer/schema/ (200902026_admin_menu_tiki.sql 20090226_admin_menu_tiki.sql): rename 200902026_admin_menu_tiki to 20090226_admin_menu_tiki
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[09:17] <luciash> polom
[09:21] <coaboa> hello
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[09:53] <jwon> hi all
[09:54] <jwon> sry to bother the chat, but where do i find info on whether tikiwiki supports reviewed pages
[09:54] <luciash> hi
[09:55] <luciash> >doctwo Staging+and+Approval
[09:55] <Sug4r> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Staging+and+Approval
[09:55] <luciash> try
[09:58] <jwon> very good
[09:58] <jwon> thx
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[10:02] <stix> How can I disable those smart links like http://mytikiwiki/wikipagename ?
[10:03] <stix> it doesn't work at all
[10:03] <teaser> I'm preparing a site for a small organization that uses mailman lists for a lot of communication, I can't extract enough info from http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Mod+mailman to see if it will do what I want: when a user is registered with tiki it should get registered with an appropriate mailing list at mailman (I've seen the forum/email list integration but that is not what I want, since forums/mailingslists enable quite different usages)
[10:04] <luciash> stix: smart links ?
[10:04] <stix> luciash, yes I guess they are called that
[10:04] <stix> I tried to rename the .htaccess file and restart apache
[10:04] <stix> tiki still creates the links that way
[10:04] <luciash> you mean autolinks like if you put url in wiki page it wouldn't get converted to link ?
[10:05] <luciash> stix: or you mean the sefurls ?
[10:05] <stix> If I make a internal wiki link, it links to http://myurl/wikisite and not http://myurl/tiki-index.php?page=wikisite
[10:06] <luciash> teaser: sorry, i have never tried to setup that
[10:06] <luciash> stix: go to Admin → Features and switch the SEFURLs feature off
[10:08] <stix> in the global features tab?
[10:09] <stix> I can't find it
[10:10] <luciash> stix: 4.1 ?
[10:10] <stix> yes
[10:11] <luciash> it's on the "New" tab there
[10:11] <luciash> "Search engine friendly url"
[10:12] <teaser> luciash: ok, thanks is there an easy/established way to contakt tikiwiki.org users? (like pm, etc) (btw where do I d/l modules, can't find a place for that?)
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[10:13] <stix> luciash, it is not checked
[10:13] <luciash> teaser: pm without knowing the person is not good idea... try forums at tw.o or join the tikiwiki-users mailing list
[10:14] <luciash> stix: then no idea, wiki links like ((wikisite)) should work fine then
[10:15] <teaser> ok, thanks (I also found a plugin repo by going through 'Features#Missing Features->plugins->all plugins)
[10:15] <luciash> teaser: extra modules you can get at mods.tikiwiki.org but might be outdated as we have almost everything in Tiki already
[10:16] <stix> luciash, yes they work, but when I create an internal wiki link from the crappy wysiwyg editor, it creates them wrong
[10:17] <luciash> stix: aah, then there's a bug in that wysiwyg editor
[10:17] <stix> I think there are many - I don't like it a bit
[10:17] <luciash> stix: seems it pretends SEFURLs on
[10:17] <stix> yes it does
[10:18] <luciash> we will fix it for 5.0, thanks for the report
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[10:19] <stix> luciash, oh, you are one of the developers?
[10:19] <luciash> oh yes
[10:19] <luciash> :)
[10:22] <stix> luciash, great :) I have this big table, which has to be managed with the wysiwyg-editor, and if I mark some text in a cell, and then click the "Insert internal wiki link" button, I can insert a link but it is not my marked text which becomes the link. It inserts it in the first cell in the table. It is very annoying.
[10:24] <luciash> stix: can you please fill bug report on dev.tw.o so we can track this bug ?
[10:24] <luciash> >devtwo Report+a+bug
[10:24] <Sug4r> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Report+a+bug
[10:24] <stix> okay, sure
[10:26] <yonixxx> Hi Lu, hi everybody !
[10:29] <luciash> hi yonixxx 
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[10:42] <yonixxx> How is it going lu ? I got so much things going on that i miss a lot about tw... and the rest of the world :D
[10:45] <luciash> yonixxx: don't worry, you're not alone ;)
[10:46] <luciash> thanks for asking... everything is all right so far. just maybe not healthy to sit that all day long in front of the computers ;)
[10:48] <yonixxx> :) well, i'm working very hard to finish my part of paradise in this world. Should you come in Israel one day and you'll see what i mean. :)
[10:51] <luciash> heh, sounds you found your meaning of life :)
[10:58] <yonixxx> well, not sure but my life is quite full right now... a newborn baby, one in the army, a house half completed including a music studio.
[10:58] <yonixxx> ... only my bank account is empty.
[11:01] <luciash> :)
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[11:21] <ricks99> hi all :-)
[11:21] <luciash> hi ricks99 
[11:21] <ricks99> hi luciash
[11:22] <ricks99> just upgraded to latest 4.1 from svn. now my external RSS feeds do not appear
[11:22] <ricks99> neither {rss id=x} nor {RSS(id=x) /} generate anything :-(
[11:23] <ricks99> when i view the feed directly from tiki-admin_rssmodules.php i *do* see the content
[11:24] <ricks99> know issue?
[11:24] <ricks99> know*n* issue?
[11:24] <ricks99> tiki just generates an empty: <ul class="rsslist">     </ul>
[11:27] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3042 - - tikiwiki clear survey stats not working - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3042
[11:28] <ricks99> *sigh* nvr mind. false alarm.
[11:28] * ricks99 must remember to ALWAYS CLEAR THE CACHE FIRST
[11:29] * ricks99 is going to completely finish that first cup of coffee before doing anything else.
[11:29] <yonixxx> Hi Rick
[11:30] <ricks99> boker tov yonixxx
[11:30] <luciash> ricks99: maybe you have to use version 1 rss feed in url
[11:30] <yonixxx> tso'orayim tovim
[11:30] <ricks99> :-)
[11:30] <ricks99> it is working now. i just forgot to clear the tiki cache
[11:30] <luciash> ricks99: ah, external feeds, sorry
[11:31] <ricks99> thanks thoough
[11:31] <luciash> i see, i shouldn't reply earlier than i finish reading ;)
[11:32] <ricks99> maybe you need more coffee, too :-)
[11:32] <luciash> yes, exactly :)
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[11:50] <jonnyb> polomolom
[11:50] <coaboa> hello
[11:50] <ricks99> hi jonnyb
[11:52] <chealer> hi jonnyb
[11:52] <jonnyb> hi everybody
[11:57] <chealer> good night...
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[12:21] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25251 10/branches/proposals/4.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Rollback r25183 due to missing changes
[12:21] <stix> Can I somehow include <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="VBScript"> in a wiki-page?
[12:23] <ricks99> use html plugin. see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginhtml
[12:24] <stix> thank you
[12:25] <ricks99> np
[12:25] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25252 10/trunk/lib/ (70 files in 27 dirs): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25253 10/branches/proposals/4.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Enhancements to bloglist plugin: Date range, container_class and non-simple list mode. (2nd attempt - including r24996 properly)
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24996] [FIX] Correct logic for $show_heading
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24969] [ENH] New mode for wikiplugin_bloglist: Not "simple list" as before but full blog posts. Also add container class param.
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24888] [MOD] Add $container_class to output of articles and bloglist plugins (.wikiplugin_articles or .wikiplugin_bloglist respectively) for custom CSS targeting.
[12:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24886] [ENH] Add date range params to bloglist plugin
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[12:34] <changi> pkdille: hi :)
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[12:37] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25254 10/branches/proposals/3.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Rollback r25183 due to missing changes
[12:38] * luciash is surprised someone is still doing vbscript in 2010
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25255 10/branches/proposals/3.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r25253] Enhancements to bloglist plugin: Date range, container_class and non-simple list mode. (2nd attempt - including r24996 properly)
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24996] [FIX] Correct logic for $show_heading
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24969] [ENH] New mode for wikiplugin_bloglist: Not "simple list" as before but full blog posts. Also add container class param.
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24888] [MOD] Add $container_class to output of articles and bloglist plugins (.wikiplugin_articles or .wikiplugin_bloglist respectively) for custom CSS targeting.
[12:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [bp/r24886] [ENH] Add date range params to bloglist plugin
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[13:02] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25256 10/trunk/lib/ (108 files in 27 dirs): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
[13:02] <changi> luciash: lol
[13:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25257 10/trunk/lib/admin/ (adminlib.php index.php): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
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[13:14] <matteo_servas_it> hello
[13:15] <matteo_servas_it> I have problem using groupmail
[13:15] <matteo_servas_it> when I clik on take I have this error 
[13:15] <matteo_servas_it>  System error.  The following error message was returned:  Unknown column 'tiki_trk_21.field_Array' in 'field list'  The query was: select tti.*, tiki_trk_21.field_Array from `tiki_tracker_items` tti, tiki_trk_21 where tti.`trackerId`=? and (`status`=?) and tiki_trk_21.field_Array like ? and tiki_trk_21.`itemId`=tti.`itemId` order by tiki_trk_21.field_Array asc
[13:20] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: hi
[13:20] <matteo_servas_it> ciao
[13:20] <jonnyb> hi matteo_servas_it - which tiki version?
[13:20] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: it seems you use "mirror trackers"
[13:20] <matteo_servas_it> 4.1
[13:20] <matteo_servas_it> yes
[13:21] <jonnyb> (why haven't we deleted mirror trackers yet?)
[13:21] <jonnyb> well spotted luciash 
[13:21] <matteo_servas_it> I need disable?
[13:21] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: i am not sure it was tested with mirror trackers
[13:21] <jonnyb> nope
[13:21] <matteo_servas_it> ok
[13:21] <luciash> hi jonnyb :)
[13:22] <jonnyb> the trouble is you can't use both together, and if you have any data in mirror trackers you need to rebuild it after you've switched - it's very dull
[13:22] <jonnyb> hi luciash 
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[13:22] <jonnyb> i suppose that's why we haven't KIL'ed them yet... (migration nightmare)
[13:23] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25258 10/trunk/lib/ (32 files in 13 dirs): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
[13:23] <matteo_servas_it> You cannot mix old and new trackers 
[13:23] <matteo_servas_it> I can't disable? mirror trakers
[13:23] <matteo_servas_it> I need to reinstall groupmail?
[13:23] <jonnyb> yes, you should disable them
[13:24] <jonnyb> yes
[13:24] <matteo_servas_it> I try to disable bu the site say  error   You cannot mix old and new trackers 
[13:25] <jonnyb> yes, you have to back them all up, delete them and recreate them
[13:26] <matteo_servas_it> can I purge the trakers? How recreate grupmail trakers?
[13:26] <jonnyb> groupmail never really got finished, so it might not be worth it
[13:26] <jonnyb> the profile creates them
[13:26] <matteo_servas_it> ok I try
[13:28] <jonnyb> luciash: isn't there a huge warning on mirror trackers in 4.x? (should be)
[13:28] <luciash> jonnyb: yes, it is
[13:29] <jonnyb> ok, good - we should really get rid of them!
[13:29] <luciash> i have no idea, xavi said it was something good on them, but i never tried or looked at the code of them
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[13:31] <jonnyb> it was a good idea, but whoever added them hasn't done anything on them since 2.x (maybe 1.something)
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[13:38] <matteo_servas_it> How Can I reapplay a profile
[13:39] <jonnyb> just click it again
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[13:40] <coaboa_> simply go to profiles,load it and reaaply it. But only changes will made to match the profile, files will be deleted or inbetween enabled features disabled except explicitly defined in the profile.
[13:41] <coaboa_> *No file will be deleted...
[13:42] <matteo_servas_it> Now I have two webmail inbox menu
[13:43] <coaboa_> you have to manualy delete those double entries. Unfortunatelly there are maybe also double menus etc.
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[13:46] <coaboa> profiles are usefully to set a clean install to a predefined working space or to add specific funcionality. Profile are not intendet to define/save/restore a "site snapshot" 
[13:46] <coaboa> as far as i understand them...
[13:47] <RavenC> hi all
[13:47] <matteo_servas_it> i have error openg the group 
[13:47] <matteo_servas_it>  System error.  The following error message was returned:  Table 'tiki41.tiki_trk_20' doesn't exist  The query was: select distinct `itemId` from tiki_trk_20 where field_124=?  Values:     1. Help Team  The built query was likely: select distinct `itemId` from tiki_trk_20 where field_124='Help Team' 
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[13:47] <matteo_servas_it> to assign grupmail users
[13:50] <jonnyb> still using mirror trackers by the look of it
[13:50] <sylvieg> matteo - are you using the obsolete feature tracker with mirror?
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[14:00] <jonnyb> i seem to be finding (again) that after an upgrade tiki-setup_base.php is only getting 4 out of the 14 'needed' prefs - anyone else seen this? (on php 5.3)
[14:02] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Strange behaviour of edit_article.php page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36377
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[14:02] <matteo_servas_it> I redo twice groupmail istallation
[14:03] <matteo_servas_it> and now clikking on give this page http://www.servas.it/tiki-index.php?page=asheville_AT_btcc.org
[14:04] <matteo_servas_it>  Edit Section Info Contact info: "Gino Crane"  Edit Section Logs  Missing or incorrect trackerId parameter for the plugin.
[14:06] <matteo_servas_it> the traker are visible from every one 
[14:06] <matteo_servas_it> even anonimous
[14:07] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: either the reapplied profile has different trackerId or the tracker plugin on the page has missing trackerId parameter
[14:09] <jonnyb> you could try editing the module params to set it to the right tracker id
[14:09] <jonnyb> oh, no - sorry - that's all put in a plugin alias, and those aren't easy to delete...
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[14:11] * luciash starts to think that better would be to fix the "mirror" trackers than getting into the upgrade troubles
[14:11] <luciash> if he knew how :-p
[14:11] <luciash> mc
[14:12] <luciash> oops, mischan :)
[14:12] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3043 - - Edit conflict detection should be more obvious: detect that source has ... - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3043
[14:16] * luciash just installed fresh new copy of trunk on his ubuntu and after the installer it loads daaaaammmmmmmn slow :(
[14:16] <luciash> actually after hitting the [Enter Tiki Without Locking Installer] it loaded until.... now :-p
[14:17] <matteo_servas_it> ok but now my site is on production I can't reintall from scrath there are 2000 users
[14:18] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: i guess you have to restore from your backup
[14:19] <luciash> i suppose something is wrong with PDO in trunk
[14:19] <luciash> that's why it's so slow maybe
[14:19] <luciash> have to re-test with adodb
[14:20] <luciash> or something is occupying my apache or something
[14:20] <luciash> :-(
[14:21] <matteo_servas_it> my backup is too old at least 1 week
[14:23] <matteo_servas_it> there is a traslation problem "Ho dimanticato la password" is wrong where modify the traslation?
[14:24] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: lang/it/language.php
[14:24] <lphuberdeau> luci, just checked with a profiler
[14:25] <lphuberdeau> it has nothing to do with pdo/adodb
[14:25] <luciash> matteo_servas_it: then you have to clear the tiki cache at tiki-admin_system.php?do=all
[14:25] <lphuberdeau> it's just that a lot of things get cached on the first run
[14:25] <jonnyb> i guess we (i) should flag groupmail as experimental (sorry)
[14:25] <luciash> lphuberdeau: actually i have just restarted apache and it seems better
[14:25] <lphuberdeau> after clean install again?
[14:25] <luciash> lphuberdeau: ah, hmm
[14:26] <lphuberdeau> it's really only the first run
[14:26] <matteo_servas_it>  I really nead group mail there is a way to fix? 
[14:27] <luciash> lphuberdeau: nope, i just restarted apache and thought it helped but if it is the first run thing then i understand
[14:27] <matteo_servas_it> I will like clean istall but I make a lot of groups  (150) and I can't impot it 
[14:28] <matteo_servas_it> There is a way to mass create groups?
[14:29] * ricks99 just found the Toggle Edit Icons wiki feature. Nice addition!
[14:33] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25259 10/trunk/modules/ (102 files): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
[14:43] <matteo_servas_it> each time I upgrade "Ho dimanticato la password" is back again can you put on the source "Ho dimenticato la password" inted
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[14:47] <matteo_servas_it> i see in tiki 4.1 you can impot groups wow
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[14:55] <lphuberdeau> luciash, I did find a funny performance bit
[14:56] <lphuberdeau> looked unavoidable at first, but I can manage to reduce the amount of calls to tra() by 5, saving around 20% execution time on the default home page created by the installer
[14:57] <luciash> lphuberdeau: that sounds great :)
[15:05] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25261 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: 
[15:05] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [ENH] Turns out repeated calls to info functions are expensive due to the large
[15:05] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: amount of calls to tra(), adding this return value cache cuts down the global
[15:05] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: call count from 1800 to 300 on the default home page (~20% execution time)
[15:09] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25262 10/trunk/ (47 files in 41 dirs): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
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[15:15] <jonnyb> hi all (lphuberdeau especially) - hasn't screencasts gone now?
[15:15] <lphuberdeau> yes they have
[15:15] <jonnyb> i'm getting an error on an upgraded tiki3 db - "Undefined index: feature_wiki_screencasts"
[15:15] <jonnyb> in setup/perms.php
[15:15] <lphuberdeau> hmmm.. oh, maybe leftovers in the db
[15:16] <jonnyb> yup - caused by 20091020_moz_screencast_tiki.sql
[15:16] <jonnyb> should i kill it? (i guess)
[15:16] <lphuberdeau> I still don't like that permissions are stored in the db, totally useless, except for quickperms
[15:16] <lphuberdeau> sure
[15:16] <jonnyb> or do another patch to remove it
[15:16] <jonnyb> (better i guess)
[15:16] <lphuberdeau> both?
[15:17] <jonnyb> having a torrid time with the installer - it's very poorly in trunk :(
[15:17] <lphuberdeau> just used it, seemed fine to me
[15:17] <luciash> installer went fine for me too
[15:17] <luciash> fresh install
[15:17] <luciash> mysqli
[15:18] <jonnyb> i've stupidly got display_error=On in my php.ini
[15:18] <jonnyb> most of tiki is ok now... except the installer
[15:18] <luciash> ah
[15:18] <luciash> u try to fix the notices or something ?
[15:18] <jonnyb> but i think i might have fixed the missing filegal thing (again)
[15:19] <jonnyb> mmmm - madness!
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[15:52] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25263 10/trunk/about.php: [MOD] header change : copyright + Id
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[16:10] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r25265 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl tiki-adminusers.php): [ENH] User admin. Segregated errror messages from feedback messages. Feedback is printed discreetly at the top of the page, while error messages are printed more prominently on an error screen.
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[16:26] <luciash> i have just created Plugin Alias PluginParams to insert a preformated FancyTable
[16:26] <luciash> on doc.tw.o
[16:26] <luciash> but i don't know how to make it enabled
[16:27] <luciash> in edit helper UI
[16:27] <luciash> any hint ?
[16:27] <luciash> (cleared tiki cache already ;))
[16:29] <luciash> pascalstjean: any idea what i missed ?
[16:30] <luciash> or anybody else famiiar with plugin alias
[16:31] <lphuberdeau> typically there are checkboxes above the plugin editor
[16:32] <lphuberdeau> otherwise they should be listed like every other plugin in the plugin list
[16:32] <luciash> i have that enabled
[16:32] <lphuberdeau> and be searchable through the configuration search
[16:32] <luciash> it is listed there but no checkboxes like normal plugins there
[16:32] <lphuberdeau> still reports being disabled?
[16:33] <luciash> on the Plugins tab
[16:33] <luciash> no Enable or Disable edit plugin icon checkboxes
[16:34] <luciash> yes, when i insert it in wiki page manually it says disabled
[16:35] <luciash> on doc.tw.o
[16:35] <luciash> it is 4.1 from svn
[16:35] <luciash> but it should be the same with dev, where it seems to work
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[16:38] <lphuberdeau> hmmm... everything looks fine, at least on trunk
[16:39] <luciash> do u have admin on dc.tw.o ?
[16:39] <luciash> doc.tw.o
[16:40] <pascalstjean> hi liciash: actually I never really dove into Plugin Aliases. Actually Lindon would be a good source. He's done many of them
[16:41] <lphuberdeau> let me see
[16:41] <luciash> lphuberdeau: thank you, maybe i put something wrongly there
[16:41] <lphuberdeau> nope, no full admin
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[16:43] <luciash> lphuberdeau: can u try now ?
[16:43] <luciash> added u to DocTwoAdmins
[16:44] <lphuberdeau> ah, the pref name was capitalized
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[16:44] <luciash> pascalstjean: thx anyway
[16:44] <lphuberdeau> always lowercase for plugins (and most of them actually)
[16:45] <luciash> lphuberdeau: ah, it must not be ? ok
[16:45] <luciash> lphuberdeau: thanks
[16:45] <lphuberdeau> does it work for you now?
[16:46] <luciash> yes, perfect
[16:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r25266 10/trunk/tiki-view_forum_thread.php: [FIX]forum: avoid this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"]
[16:56] <xavi> thkx sylvieg!
[16:56] <sylvieg> can you try on your site?
[16:56] <xavi> yes, I will soon (and if it work, I'll backport to proposals/4.x)
[16:56] <sylvieg> I can not reproduce the problem on my local ... but this line is definitevely missing
[17:05] <sylvieg> xavi: I think there is another problem ... I just need to be able to reproduce
[17:05] <xavi> ok, what do you need from me so that you can reproduce?
[17:06] <xavi> you know how to reproduce in the server (email)
[17:06] <xavi> and you can access to the php files on the server (through ssh)
[17:06] <xavi> do you need a db dump?
[17:06] <xavi> s/need/prefer
[17:07] <xavi> it shouldn't be that big (that course with my students  have just started two weeks ago)
[17:09] <sylvieg> yes - I probably need a db dump
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[17:11] <xavi> ok, there I go...
[17:14] <xavi> btw, http connections to the server are very slow. the db dump is already done at the server side. CAn  you login to ourproject.org through ssh?
[17:15] <xavi> or through sftp, I mean
[17:15] <xavi> this way, it's going to be faster....
[17:18] <xavi> sylvieg ?
[17:20] <sylvieg> my pb is to find the pawwword...
[17:21] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25267 10/trunk/installer/installlib.php: [FIX] Disable display_errors during install as errors are reported in the post-update page
[17:24] <xavi> sylvieg: https://ourproject.org/account/lostpw.php
[17:24] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25268 10/trunk/installer/schema/20100118_image_plugins_kill_tiki.php: [FIX] Missing globals for upgrade_20100118_image_plugins_kill_tiki()
[17:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25269 10/trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [MOD] Categ perms warning wording
[17:34] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r25270 10/branches/4.x/lib/core/lib/TikiDb/Pdo.php: 
[17:34] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [QT] Quality Team Backport
[17:34] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [BP/24554] [FIX] PDO: avoid returning twice the result of the query once in
[17:34] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: associative mode and one (not used) in index mode. Reduce the memory needed
[17:34] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: when PDO is used.
[17:40] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25271 10/trunk/ (db/tiki-db.php installer/tiki-installer.php tiki-install.php): [FIX] Repair installer for multi-tiki - half of it was always using db/local.php regardless of 'multi' setting
[17:41] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25272 10/trunk/lib/ (ajax/ajaxlib.php headerlib.php): [FIX] Make minify functions multi-tiki aware
[17:42] <xavi> go jonnyb, go!
[17:42] * xavi likes seings commits healing multitiki's :-)
[17:43] <xavi> segins? (seing)
[17:43] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25273 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Make user avatars multi-tiki aware
[17:43] <xavi> seings (my fingers seem to be out of control)
[17:43] <jonnyb> phew! that was a horrible afternoon - hope someone can test all that further!
[17:43] <jonnyb> i'll send a mail to devels too...
[17:43] <xavi> :-)
[17:44] <xavi> I could test if I dared to run some of my sites on trunk... but I'm reluctant to do so... (I have enough with the risks of using proposals/4.x for some of them)
[17:49] * ricks99 just svn'd Smarties to 4.x trunk. seems OK
[17:55] <ricks99> is there an easy way to globally add a custom 'footer' to all out-going, tiki-generated emails?
[17:56] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25274 10/trunk/installer/schema/20091123_upgrade_categperm_2_tiki.php: [FIX] Remove reference to global $prefs in upgrade_20091123_upgrade_categperm_2_tiki()
[17:58] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25275 10/trunk/installer/schema/ (2 files): [KIL] Remove last bit of screencasts
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[18:02] <lphuberdeau> ricks99, no, but you can edit all the templates
[18:02] <lphuberdeau> perhaps an include would work as they are smarty templates
[18:02] <ricks99> ouch
[18:02] <ricks99> k. maybe add as a look & feel option?
[18:03] <luciash> ricks99: 4.x is not trunk ;)
[18:04] <luciash> look & feel for emails ? we need html mails option i guess
[18:04] <ricks99> d'oh ur right. too many damn branches
[18:05] <ricks99> kinda fits with site theme/style/etc identity
[18:05] <luciash> if you svn upped trunk, then you have upcoming tiki 5
[18:06] <ricks99> no. ur right. i have 4.x branch -- not trunk
[18:06] <ricks99> obviously time for more coffee
[18:08] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25276 10/trunk/lib/test/bootstrap.php: [FIX] Eliminate notice and do not depend on PHP 5.3 to report errors
[18:08] <luciash> :)
[18:09] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25277 10/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] All new, cleaner, rating library, unconnected until second half is added
[18:13] <xavi> lphuberdeau: your fix for memory consumption in admin panels (related to forums): is this something which is backportable to 4.x?
[18:13] <xavi> I'm using forums with my students in a not-ver-powerful server, and that performance improvement you made might help us , I guess, in our 4.x site...
[18:14] <xavi> and pkdille said that they were preparing 4.2...
[18:14] <lphuberdeau> maybe, but I don't commit to stable versions
[18:15] <xavi> oh well, quality team would revise that if somebody backports to proposals/4.x ...
[18:15] <xavi> I can search your fix, and commit to proposals/4.x for them to review, but I have no idea if the same fix you did in trunk is applicable to 4.x (that was my question)
[18:19] <luciash> xavi: i guess you have to find out yourself by diff and try
[18:20] <luciash> xavi: as lph doesn't develop for 4.x he probably is in the same situation as you about the applicability :)
[18:20] <xavi> luciash: ok, thanks, however, too much for me (for the little time I have left when I'm in the middle of the courses (with many more urgent things ongoing)
[18:21] <xavi> thanks for feedback, luciash
[18:21] <luciash> maybe i will review that code change tonight and try on 4.x
[18:22] * luciash starts to love plugin alias as a nice dynamic templating thingy ;)
[18:27] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25278 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Rename TikiSheet to Spreadsheets (user visible instances only)
[18:30] <luciash> it's cool ! now we can finally have some consistency on doc.tw.o !
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[18:39] <luciash> lphuberdeau: how did you change the plugin alias name to lowercase ?
[18:39] <lphuberdeau> not the name
[18:40] <lphuberdeau> the preferences section
[18:40] <luciash> preferences section ?
[18:41] <luciash> lphuberdeau: i don't see any preferences section there
[18:42] <lphuberdeau> dependencies, sorry
[18:42] <luciash> oh, ok
[18:42] <luciash> fine :)
[18:43] <luciash> one cannot change plugin alias name unless delete and re-create, right ?
[18:43] <lphuberdeau> that would be right
[18:43] <luciash> why is the dependencies field editable btw ?
[18:43] <lphuberdeau> and there might not be a delete option
[18:44] <luciash> or its content should be lowercased if it's required to prevent my mistake giving the new alias camelcase name
[18:45] <lphuberdeau> would also be a valid option
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[18:49] <luciash> lphuberdeau: if i want to enable plugin body in plugin helper, i need to add something to the aliase's Plugin Body → Parameters ?
[18:50] <lphuberdeau> you need to add something to the body label
[18:50] <luciash> ah, i see, thanx
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[18:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25279 10/trunk/lib/ (jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js sheet/grid.php): [FIX] Handle saving calculations properly in spreadsheets
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[19:04] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25280 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Adding very simple library to manage attributes on any object (to be used by upcoming features)
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[19:15] <chealer> quite a bit of activity here
[19:15] <chealer> sylvieg: thanks for r25281
[19:17] <sylvieg> Does somebody know what is 'Cache external pages'?
[19:17] <sylvieg> I am wondering waht it is doing...
[19:18] <xavi> hi chealer: btw, I've recently started the Maple Syrup from last August! (delicous! thanks!) 
[19:18] <xavi> congrats to your parents
[19:19] <sylvieg> I am wondering where the cache is used?
[19:19] <xavi> it took me a while to finish some honey that we were given as a present also months earlier
[19:19] <chealer> hi xavi
[19:19] <xavi> sylvieg: no idea. I only knew about cached external images, but I don't even remember where they stored
[19:20] <xavi> they were stored, I mean
[19:20] <chealer> xavi: good. we'll have a tough sugar season this year. there's almost no snow outside
[19:20] <xavi> :-)
[19:21] <xavi> ok, that might be because the snow this year is in the other side of the North Atlantic... isn't it, luciash ?
[19:21] <xavi> (tricky Gulf current, I guess)
[19:21] <chealer> or it went south to USA
[19:21] <xavi> yes, indeed
[19:22] <sylvieg> we have almost no snow too
[19:22] <sylvieg> except today it is snowing
[19:24] <chealer> just checked, it seems El Nino is actually striking
[19:25] <xavi> ah, ok
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[19:25] <chealer> jonnyb: thanks for "[FIX] Missing globals for upgrade_20100118_image_plugins_kill_tiki()", lindon had this problem recently
[19:26] <jonnyb> hi chealer - i worked for be (but i thought i worked before...) have you tried it?
[19:27] <jonnyb> i/it
[19:28] <chealer> jonnyb: it looks like the previous version worked here, though it certainly triggered warnings/errors. I don't really understand.
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[19:28] <chealer> jonnyb: lindon said there was an issue in tiki-setup.php - but it only includes tiki-setup_base.php directly
[19:28] <testuser01> blubb
[19:28] <jonnyb> i think it was differing versions on php and different php.ini settings (maybe)
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[19:30] <sylvieg> ahh it is used in integrator and in directory
[19:30] <chealer> jonnyb: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-02-13,Sat&sel=58#l54
[19:31] <jonnyb> yes, i was getting that error a lot too - made it go away eventually (for me)
[19:31] <jonnyb> we shall see...
[19:31] <chealer> yes, we shall se
[19:32] <chealer> jonnyb: you say I'm masochist with my funky quote-decorated test strings, but you have display_error=On :-P
[19:33] <jonnyb> (not any more! :D )
[19:33] <jonnyb> tiki runs ok with that on these days mostly (just not the installer)
[19:34] <chealer> jonnyb: about that, I'm not convinced by the reasoning for http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/installer/installlib.php?r1=25267&r2=25266&pathrev=25267
[19:34] <chealer> jonnyb: the report talks about SQL errors, but not PHP errors. I think both are relevant
[19:35] <jonnyb> mm - possibly it was the errors i fixed... but ran out of steam
[19:35] <jonnyb> MySQL errors seem to cause PHP ones, no?
[19:35] <jonnyb> with PDO anyway
[19:36] <jonnyb> that commit shouldn't make it any worse though, i think
[19:36] <luciash> sylvieg: it is feature like google cache/archive
[19:36] <chealer> jonnyb: hum, I don't really know, but not to my knowledge. what kind of error would they causi?
[19:37] <luciash> sylvieg: it puts (cached) next to external links
[19:37] <jonnyb> like "Warning: PDOStatement::execute() [pdostatement.execute]" in Lindon's report
[19:37] <luciash> sylvieg: i think amette has it enabled on his tiki blog
[19:37] <chealer> sylvieg: yeah, it caches the pages Tiki links to as "backup"
[19:37] <sylvieg> and you have a popup whith the content of the link?
[19:37] <sylvieg> or it is only a little simple
[19:38] <sylvieg> sorry symbol
[19:40] <luciash> sylvieg: amette.eu seems down but you can still see it on older site: http://amette.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=Introduction
[19:41] <luciash> wow, 1.9.3 still there :)
[19:41] <chealer> jonnyb: ah, I see thanks. I just red too quickly and thought you were disabling error reporting everywhere in the installer. what you did must be OK
[19:42] <chealer> sylvieg: it's a really old feature, I'd be surprised if there was a popup. you click on "cached" as luciash wrote
[19:43] <sylvieg> chealer added commit 22370The cache is used by: Cache external pages 
[19:44] <sylvieg> thx for the link luciash - so it kind of popup..
[19:45] <sylvieg> ok thanks guys - I can squat the table tiki_link_cache in this case...
[19:46] <chealer> <jonnyb> i seem to be finding (again) that after an upgrade tiki-setup_base.php is only getting 4 out of the 14 'needed' prefs - anyone else seen this? (on php 5.3)
[19:46] <chealer> jonnyb: upgrading to which Tiki version?
[19:47] <jonnyb> from 3.2 to trunk
[19:47] <jonnyb> it was the lack of globals in the kill img plugins script
[19:48] <chealer> oh, OK
[19:49] <chealer> somebody recently brought a problem on the mailing list where user preferences cache is not being invalidated properly in 4.1. I'm still wondering if somebody fixed that.
[19:50] <jonnyb> not seen that one
[19:51] <luciash> well, i have just spotted on doc.tw.o today that after logout and login back the "since last login" module didn't refresh until i cleared the Tiki cache for modules
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[19:51] <luciash> it should refresh after end of session i think
[19:51] <luciash> (logout)
[19:52] <chealer> it would could lastLogin to be incorrect
[19:52] <chealer> for example
[19:52] <chealer> luciash: oh, right, that's what I'm talking about
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[19:53] <chealer> and doc is running svn - Last update from SVN(4.1): Tuesday 02 February, 2010 01:40:48 EST - REV 24788 
[19:53] <chealer> who admins doc here? is it on proposals or "accepted"?
[19:54] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25282 10/trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): [NEW] Add ability to have a large full size image (stored in file gallery) for users in addition to small avatar
[19:56] <chealer> amette, changi: does one of you know who admins doc.tw.o?
[19:56] * chealer bbl
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[20:07] <sylvieg> thx xavi for the answer about httrequest...
[20:08] <xavi> my 2 cents
[20:08] <sylvieg> I was ready to push out curl .. but now I do not know...
[20:09] <xavi> curl seems the safe way to go
[20:10] <xavi> in terms of avoiding the effects of intruders, etc.  (all tikis were f***ked by then becasue sys admin bloked pear http requests, afair, or something like that)
[20:10] <xavi> rss seems to be using also the pear  function instead of curl, as far as that sys admin told us
[20:10] <xavi> external rss in tiki, I mean
[20:10] <xavi> fyi
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[20:13] <amette> chealer: considering the software-side of doc.tw.o it is now changi who does the job
[20:13] <amette> probably also some other guys - but as always it's fuckin' sneaky
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[20:30] <chealer> amette: thanks
[20:30] <chealer> changi: so on which branch is doc.tw.o?
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[20:38] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25283 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Function to calculate score aggregates
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[20:41] <xavi> sylvieg: your fix solved the problem in forum replies. thks
[20:41] <xavi> backporting to 4.x
[20:41] <xavi> proposals
[20:43] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r25284 10/branches/proposals/4.x/comments.php: [FIX][bp/r25281]forum: avoid this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"] . thanks sylvieg for fixing
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[20:44] <mlaporte> I would like to have a module depending on category of current object
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[20:45] <mlaporte> ie: if current object is in category #6, show this module
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[20:50] <maverick999> I'm trying to figure out how to enable the WYSIWYG editor for Wiki pages.
[20:51] <maverick999> I'm running 4.1
[20:51] <maverick999> I've gone to Admin->General but I don't see the WYSIWYG option there.
[20:51] <maverick999> Any ideas?
[20:52] <mlaporte> admin -> features -> Experimental
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[20:53] <mlaporte> maverick999: be warned that WYSIWYG is not as stable as wiki (which is rock solid)
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[20:54] <maverick999> That's fine, but how do you enable it?
[20:54] <maverick999> I've also tried Admin->Text Area with no luck as well.
[20:54] <maverick999> There's no WYSIWYG option.
[20:55] <maverick999> Do I need to install a plugin to do this?
[20:55] <mlaporte> no
[20:55] <mlaporte> just check the checkboc
[20:55] <maverick999> There isn't one there.
[20:55] <maverick999> On either of those admin pages.
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[20:57] <maverick999> Am I missing something?
[20:57] <mlaporte> tiki-admin.php?page=features -> Experimental
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r25285 10/trunk/lib/articles/artlib.php: 
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX]Hoping to fix my partial former commit r24833 with this other one. I was
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: attempting to apply a patch suggested by someone in preacrios.org (using 3.x)
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: which seemed to work there, but it seems that they didn't report about
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: everywhere where those two lines had to be added. If this doesn't solve your
[20:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: concerns, pkdille, (& quality team), please rollback.
[21:01] <maverick999> That did it!
[21:01] <maverick999> Thanks mlaporte!
[21:02] <maverick999> I just must have missed the option...
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[21:06] <mlaporte> is there a preference search at the topÉ
[21:06] <mlaporte> É
[21:06] <mlaporte> ?
[21:06] <mlaporte> There are over 1000 prefs & settings. Easy to miss one
[21:07] <mlaporte> Tiki5 wil have nice search feature
[21:07] <mlaporte> have to go
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[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r25286 10/branches/proposals/4.x/lib/articles/artlib.php: 
[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX][bp/r25285]Hoping to fix my partial former commit r24833 with this other
[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: one. I was attempting to apply a patch suggested by someone in preacrios.org
[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: (using 3.x) which seemed to work there, but it seems that they didn't report
[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: about everywhere where those two lines had to be added. If this doesn't solve
[21:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: your concerns, pkdille, (& quality team), please rollback.
[21:24] <xavi> g'night all
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[22:42] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25287 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Show large full size image (stored in file gallery) for users in addition to small avatar
[22:49] <luciash> nkoth: hi nelson
[22:49] <nkoth> hi
[22:50] <luciash> nkoth: wasn't user tracker image sufficient enough ?
[22:50] <nkoth> hmm
[22:50] <luciash> as a bigger "profile picture"
[22:50] <nkoth> user tracker image, how does that work?
[22:51] <nkoth> I suppose just add an image field to a user tracker?
[22:51] <luciash> it displays on tiki-user_information.php when you enable user tracker registration
[22:51] <luciash> yep
[22:52] <luciash> but well, it has disadvantage of needing a tracker
[22:52] <luciash> so maybe your new stuff is fine :)
[22:52] <nkoth> well, the main advantage of ,u stuffis that it's "integrated" with avatar, so when you change your image, the avatar changes too
[22:53] <luciash> i see
[22:53] <nkoth> I mean basically the avatar is the reduced of the image
[22:53] <sylvieg> perhaps you need to go further for on preference field
[22:53] <nkoth> which preference?
[22:54] <sylvieg> the preference type fields
[22:54] <nkoth> in trackers?
[22:54] <sylvieg> it is handling email password for now
[22:54] <sylvieg> it can perhaps handle avatar
[22:54] <nkoth> in db you mean
[22:55] <sylvieg> you can change from a tracker your password and email already
[22:55] <nkoth> how?
[22:55] <sylvieg> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/User+Preference+Field
[22:56] <sylvieg> it is worth to go on this one because user prefs are cached
[23:01] <nkoth> looking for the code
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[23:01] <sylvieg> loking for the code int racker is the painful part.. because of duplication
[23:01] <nkoth> :)
[23:03] <sylvieg> I am almost ready to get rig of the tiki-view_tracker_item.php  code - but need more testing
[23:03] <nkoth> I suppose it could be useful to be able to change user preferences from trackers
[23:04] <luciash> nkoth: it is already possible, yes, with the preference field type
[23:04] <sylvieg> the idea is that any user prefs can be changed from the tracker -
[23:04] <nkoth> but only for password and email
[23:04] <sylvieg> it is cached so it is not expensive
[23:04] <luciash> nope, for any you choose
[23:05] <luciash> iirc
[23:05] * sylvieg got only people asking for email/password...
[23:06] <luciash> you can use country field, etc. the only problem is they don't display as dropdown but simple text filed instead to input
[23:06] <nkoth> luciash: that's what I mean
[23:06] <luciash> s/filed/field
[23:07] <sylvieg> preference needs a big make-up - I almost never use the user prefs page because it is never fitting the application needs
[23:07] <nkoth> right, I always have to do custom template
[23:08] <luciash> yep, and i do custom pretty tracker :)
[23:08] <sylvieg> I think that the preference concept is good - (the custom pref should be finished) and tracker is only to do more .. 
[23:09] <luciash> sylvieg: we need support for file gals in trackers and history of changes not only in mail notifications
[23:10] <nkoth> ok, I see lots to do for 6.0....
[23:10] <luciash> sylvieg: i got problems corrupting images using tracker field image type
[23:10] <luciash> when uploading big pictures
[23:11] <luciash> i mean like more than 2MB
[23:11] <nkoth> corrupting? 
[23:11] <luciash> yes, it displayed plain text garbage instead of the image uploaded then
[23:11] <sylvieg> coe was almost ready to sponsor a rewrite of all the attach.. files in fgal - but it did not happen yet
[23:11] <luciash> over whole tiki layout ;)
[23:12] <luciash> sylvieg: yep, i remember we talked about the need of filegal tracker field type
[23:13] <sylvieg> it is the same problem with wiki attachments ..
[23:14] * sylvieg would like to kil all the duplicated code
[23:15] <nkoth> I'm sure we'll get there , yes it was going to happen
[23:15] <luciash> the paradox is sometimes it saves the day for someone to be able to choose if one feature doesn't work as intended to use the other one (duplicated) in Tiki ;)
[23:15] <luciash> but only for that day, of course, it is not futureproof solution ;)
[23:15] <sylvieg> but ... fgal integration in wiki img was/is painful
[23:16] <sylvieg> we will do it - I am sure about this..
[23:17] <luciash> sylvieg: it is painful as life because that is how tiki evolves - we have no design engineers who will make uml and think it to detail how to implement it
[23:17] <sylvieg> .. you need magic luciash
[23:17] <luciash> :)
[23:18] <luciash> same as in life ;)
[23:19] <sylvieg> for instance I was planning to do a function that gets all the stuff that is needed for an item field in a setting display/input - but I was wrong the function must be global to a list of items ..
[23:21] <sylvieg> but if tracker code was duplicated at the beginning... it would have helped
[23:21] <luciash> duplicated ?
[23:21] <sylvieg> I still do not understand why mose duplicated the code...
[23:22] <luciash> waas or wasn't you mean ?
[23:22] <luciash> you said "if tracker code was duplicated"
[23:23] <sylvieg> you have almost but not the same code for wikiplugin_tracker and tiki-vire_tracker
[23:23] <sylvieg> s/vire/view
[23:24] <luciash> btw, is it the same problem with performance having lot of php files included/required versus one big php file (like tikilib) as with lot of http requests for js/css files versus all combined in one file ?
[23:25] <sylvieg> can be we have a lot of if - else - and not switch
[23:25] <sylvieg> switch does not exist in smarty- apity
[23:25] <luciash> i wondred why tikilib is soooo huge file instead of lot of small ones once
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[23:26] <luciash> then i thought maybe because of the performance ?
[23:26] <nkoth> it was just because no one think of where to add things
[23:26] <sylvieg> question luciash - will you fill bettre in 100 file or one file..
[23:26] <luciash> fill ?
[23:26] <sylvieg> feel
[23:26] <luciash> fill what ?
[23:26] <luciash> ah :)
[23:27] <luciash> as coder i would feel better in relatively smaller one
[23:27] <sylvieg> did you try lph code?
[23:27] <luciash> even though it means checking lot of external files linked
[23:27] <sylvieg> small part .. but the intricated..
[23:28] <luciash> but i think best is compromise lot of chunks is not good either
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[23:28] <sylvieg> duplication in whatever style is bad..
[23:28] <luciash> in my dreams i would like to see mak 2000 lines of code one file doing everything ;)
[23:28] <luciash> s/mak/max
[23:29] <luciash> but not tikilib, please :)
[23:29] <sylvieg> luciash is dreaming
[23:29] <luciash> tikilib is how many lines ?
[23:29] <luciash> 9000 ?
[23:30] <sylvieg> the new perms stuff lph wrote is .. 30 files..
[23:30] <luciash> 8863
[23:30] <sylvieg> if we write the trackers in object style it will be 100 files
[23:30] <sylvieg> perhaps
[23:31] <luciash> yeah, that would be crazy
[23:32] <sylvieg> we have to choose - people develop tw without framework - or need a framework
[23:32] <nkoth> well, each field type handler whould be one file
[23:32] <nkoth> perhaps
[23:33] <nkoth> (it's probably better than the crazy if/else or switch we have for the differentfield type
[23:33] <nkoth> imo anyway
[23:36] <sylvieg> I will nkoth to do that - I did for the display - almost.. but the  code preparation - need work
[23:38] <nkoth> yes it will
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[23:38] <nkoth> do we already have a way to see who else has seen your pages?
[23:39] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25288 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Better jQuery.sheet resize
[23:39] <nkoth> (I was thinking of simply querying the action log for this)
[23:39] <sylvieg> actionlog
[23:39] <nkoth> ok, I write a plugin that query the actionlog
[23:42] * luciash wishes alain would learn code guidelines which we all try to follow
[23:43] <luciash> why he cannot see we use xhtml and not html 4.x ?
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[23:51] * luciash wonders what does this say: trunk → [ Execution time: 3.98 secs ]   [ Memory usage: 12.50MB ]   [ 48 database queries used in 0.1 secs ]
[23:52] <luciash> proposed 4.x → [ Execution time: 2.08 secs ]   [ Memory usage: 11.35MB ]   [ 329 database queries used in 0.2 secs ]
[23:52] <luciash> it has 8 times more queries but still it renders faster and consumes less memory ?
[23:53] <nkoth> only explanation i can think of is that "some" query is slower in trunk than in 4.x
[23:54] <nkoth> luciash: you familar with doing this? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/slow-query-log.html
[23:54] <luciash> nkoth: nope, i only know how to use tiki's SQL log for slow querie
[23:54] <luciash> s
[23:55] <nkoth> tiki's sql log, where would that be?
[23:55] <luciash> (btw, the bottom bar debug info was taken from Look and Feel page)
[23:56] <luciash> nkoth: it is under tiki logs
[23:56] <luciash> tiki-syslog.php
[23:56] <luciash> then tiki-sqllog.php
[23:56] <luciash> the button link above
[23:57] <nkoth> trying... This feature is disabled: adodb  hmm
[23:57] <luciash> you have to enable it first on Admin → Performance
[23:57] <luciash> aaah, it seems it is only for adodb :(
[23:59] <luciash> anyway, to enable it you have to go to the Admin → Performance first
[23:59] <nkoth> eys, i see it , thanks