#tikiwiki 2010-03-12,Fri

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luciash	ibrrorg: i will be in about 10 mins	[00:45]
ibrrorg	good deal	[00:45]
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luciash	ibrrorg: whassup ?	[01:00]
ibrrorg	im gonna pm u ok?	[01:01]
luciash	ok	[01:01]
ibrrorg	yeah so marc got my paper on the maps and i am hopeful! also i will want to have you do the eventual upgrade if you will be available? debating on tiki 4.2 or wait for 5.2	[01:03]
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luciash	ibrrorg: if you're on 4.1 don't wait and upgrade to 4.2	[01:21]
ibrrorg	im on 4.0 you'd done the upgrade	[01:22]
luciash	u have to upgrade anyway	[01:28]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26072 10/branches/5.x/ (README changelog.txt copyright.txt): [REL] release related commits	[01:28]
luciash	i can do that for you tomorrow if you don't feel like doing that yourself	[01:30]
ibrrorg	i'll email ya as that might work thanx and now back to the grind for you young man! mush mush on the fixes! :) millions of us non coders depend on ya'll!	[01:34]
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cc	hi hello?	[03:40]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26073 10/branches/5.x/tiki-admin_actionlog.php: [FIX] Strict Standards: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated - PHP 5 changed the behavior and the object is defaultly passed by references	[08:35]
	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26074 10/branches/5.x/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Strict Standards: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated - PHP 5 changed the behavior and the object is defaultly passed by references	[08:42]
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franck	coe.int: anyone here?	[09:54]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r26075 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-admin_surveys.tpl: [ENH]access stats for specific surveys directly from the admin listing of all surveys	[12:29]
ricks99	woo-hoo. my first 5.x commit :-)	[12:29]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r26076 10/branches/proposals/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH]access stats for specific surveys directly from the admin listing of all surveys. backport of 26075 from 5.x	[12:41]
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changi	franck: yes ?	[12:59]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26077 10/tags/5.0Alpha/: [REL] Tagging release	[13:05]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26078 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_modules.tpl: [MOD]module: show the default if any	[13:46]
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ricks99	ricks99 has installed google anaylitics code for all .tw.o sites, but is having problems....* working fine for info.tw.o (4.2)... working fine for dev.tw.o (4.2)... working fine for doc.tw.o (4.2)... not working on themes (5.0a)... not working on profiles (4.1)... not working on community (4.1) any ideas?	[13:59]
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jonnyb	hi ricks99 - sorry, never did the analytics thing - odd versions pattern there though... can you check for JS errors (in Firebug for instance)	[14:19]
ricks99	no errors. the code is actually not appearing at all. it is in the l&f end of body, but does not appear when tiki generates the pages and y, have cleared caches :-)	[14:20]
jonnyb	does strasa have a custom tpl for that bit? (i know it has a couple - curse them!)	[14:21]
ricks99	shouldnt matter. for example, info using strasa is fine. but profiles is not ricks99 thinking it is some sort of 4.1 issue or combination of options (such as minify)	[14:22]
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Weisser	hi i have uploaded tiki on server and i have set permissions to 644 for files and 755 for directories, but i still get blank page	[14:41]
ricks99	@Weisser: the #1 reason for blank pages is not enough PHP memory. see faq: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-list_faqs.php	[14:43]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26079 10/branches/5.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]calendar module: try to be able to have the same display in calendar module than the old one	[14:47]
Weisser	ricks99, i haven't installed it yet.. how much memory do i need to see the page "cannot find local.php"?	[14:48]
ricks99	minimum is 32M. Pls see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Requirements for details	[14:49]
Weisser	i' i've noticed that large portion of the files i seemingly uploaded have a size of 0	[14:51]
ricks99	? the download of Tiki from sourceforge had files of 0K -- that's not right possibly your download of the tiki.zip is corrupt. can you try again?	[14:52]
Weisser	i think it's more probably an issue between my pc and hosting it's a free hosting, and there are some issues with uploading	[14:53]
ricks99	ahhh. check your ftp log then. confirm that all files were transferred properly berfore attempting the installation	[14:54]
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Caarrie	Weisser: it might be possible that TW will not work on a free host, i dont know many that meet all the requirements	[14:57]
Weisser	this one seems to be a decent one 000webhost.com i already managed to run dokuwiki on it	[14:57]
Caarrie	dokuwiki does not even have a database or half the requirements that TW does	[14:58]
ricks99	dokuwiki also doesn't have half of the features of Tiki :-)	[14:58]
Weisser	lol well, it may be that i will have to use a different hosting :(	[14:58]
Caarrie	most likely a paid host will work, and a much greater chance it will also less issues with space of the files on the server	[14:59]
ricks99	@Weisser: pls see docs: http://tikiwiki.org/Tiki+Friendly+Hosts	[14:59]
Weisser	i am not willing to pay for what i need tiki for if i am unabe to do it free of charge, i won't do it at all	[15:02]
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Caarrie	you could try asking around and seeing if anyone would be willing to let you share hosting space	[15:04]
Weisser	you're right, this is an option i also have a hosting leftover from my high school tough that would mean i would be less anonymous	[15:05]
Caarrie	do they have php and mysql?	[15:05]
Weisser	yes that's a very decent hosting	[15:05]
Caarrie	nice	[15:05]
Weisser	they used to have best bandwidth available in the city	[15:05]
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kwest	hello. does anyone have experience with staging and approval? i set up staging, and it works quite well, however, I do not want anyone other than the approving group to be able to see what is in the staging category. otherwise people can sign up, create spam pages, and they are viewable to the public. my only other option would be to remove the global permission for anonymous users to see wiki pages, andthen have to enable it for each page that i create or approve.	[15:27]
	There isn't a way to say, if group x created a page, apply x permissions, is there?	[15:35]
ricks99	did u set the category permssions for the staging category properly? to allow only specific groups to see it?	[15:37]
kwest	I could have sworn I did. let me tell you what I have... okay. i have a category called staging. i go there, click the key, "Can see the category in a listing (tiki_p_view_category)" is only checked off for editors and subadmins	[15:38]
ricks99	what about can edit categoirzed objects? 01tiki_p_view_category refers only to viewing the category (its name) in a list of all categories -- not the actual objects within the category	[15:41]
kwest	hmm. i do not see that	[15:43]
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ricks99	what is your tiki version?	[15:44]
kwest	yeah, i cannot find "can edit categorized objects." 4.1	[15:44]
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ricks99	no, i mean the permissios for the category -- not the group you need to turn on/off the tiki_p_edit and tiki_p_view for the category	[15:46]
kwest	if I go to my staging category, and enter tiki_p_edit nothing is checked	[15:49]
ricks99	y. because the global/group perms apply -- you need to override them for that category give tiki_p_edit only to the group that you want to be able to edit staging pages	[15:50]
kwest	ah, so if i check nothing, that that particular permisson just uses the global policy	[15:51]
ricks99	<shamless plug> this may be useful to you: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/How+Permissions+Work </shameless plug>	[15:51]
kwest	because it already says "This category's direct permissions override any global permissions affecting objects in it."	[15:52]
ricks99	y. any object-specific perms will override global persm	[15:52]
Weisser	it turned out to be those corrupted empty files	[15:53]
kwest	yeah, that didnt make a difference.	[15:54]
ricks99	did u clear the cache?	[15:54]
kwest	yes. still shows up under list pages	[15:57]
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ricks99	tiki_p_edit is only for editing. If you want to fully hide the page, you also need tiki_p_view	[15:57]
Weisser	is 64 mb php memory sufficient?	[15:58]
kwest	if i go to my category, press the key, tiki_p_view_category and tiki_p_view are both only checked for editors and subadmins	[16:00]
ricks99	should be hidden from anonymous then. confirm that the pag in question is actually in the category	[16:01]
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Saeky	Hi all	[16:03]
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kwest	its not. which leaves the question, why isnt it automatically put there. i have the category selected in the staging dropdown menu	[16:07]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26080 10/branches/5.x/lang/ (43 files in 43 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 5.0Alpha tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26081 10/branches/5.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 5.0Alpha	[16:08]
ricks99	check docs http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Page+Staging+and+Approval and confirm ur config is correct	[16:09]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26082 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.0Alpha	[16:10]
ricks99	especially the Force bounce of editing of approved pages to staging option	[16:10]
kwest	i have that checked, but it happens even with new pages.	[16:13]
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ricks99	not sure then, sorry. u might want to post to the support fourm	[16:13]
kwest	maybe because when they go to edit, they do not have the option of picking a category, so maybe it never gets routed to my category named "staging"	[16:14]
ricks99	the page needs to be in the "approved" category first	[16:14]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26083 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki-secdb_5.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 5.0Alpha tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26084 10/tags/5.0Alpha/: [REL] Deleting tag 'tags/5.0Alpha' in order to create a new one tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r26085 10/tags/5.0Alpha/: [REL] Tagging release	[16:15]
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kwest	hmm. yeah. it will say, "This is the staging copy of the approved version of this page." but it never goes into the category duh.. i think i might have found the issue.	[16:29]
Weisser	"_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_" is that normal? also i get timeouted when trying to login	[16:30]
kwest	nope. that wasnt it. i thought maybe I had to give them tiki_p_add_object or tiki_p_edit on the staging category i will reset it to the global and see if it goes in there then.	[16:34]
Weisser	btw guys, the hosting i mentioned before seems to be very bad	[16:41]
kwest	no luck. the edits always wind up uncategorized.	[16:42]
daniam	I need help for a simple (very simple) thing on the wiki syntax. I wish to add my suggestion on this page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/WatchIcon yet, if I click on the Edit section of the Table of content page, I only get a one word line: {maketoc}. Can any one point me to a documentation page where I can learn how to edit a page, what syntax to use, etc?	[16:53]
ricks99	pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+syntax	[16:54]
daniam	Hum. The link does not render.	[16:56]
ricks99	? wfm	[16:56]
changi	changi tiki5alpha released changi have fun	[16:59]
daniam	wfm meaning the work flow manager?	[16:59]
ricks99	wfm = works for me	[16:59]
kwest	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=wiki-syntax+text	[17:01]
daniam	Tks. Got it.	[17:01]
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ricks99	bbl	[17:03]
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daniam	No, this: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=wiki-syntax+text does not answer my question. What I am looking for is how I can go a bit deeper. Here is an exemple of what I mean: First, I go to: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/WatchIcon. Then, I go to edit the Table of content at: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=WatchIcon&hdr=0 All I have, there, is one word: {maketoc} . My question is: Where would I find	[17:10]
kwest	hmm. while it will tell me i am looking at a staged copy, the published version does not tell me that there are staged copies, or show me the differences, etc.	[17:11]
sylvieg	the toc is automatically build when you use ! , !!	[17:11]
ricks99\|away	@daniam: on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+syntax click the "USING WIKI PAGES" link	[17:12]
luciash	polom	[17:12]
ricks99\|away	@daniam: you might also consider <shamless plug> the tiki beginner's guide: http://twbasics.keycontent.org </shamless plug>	[17:12]
kwest	ah, those options appear once I manually put it into my staging directory	[17:12]
luciash	daniam: don't click the section edit icon but the one in icons bar above	[17:12]
Weisser	damn it :/ i tried my school hosting	[17:13]
luciash	the section edit one edits only portions of page and the first one contains only maketoc which generates the toc from the content of the page (headings)	[17:13]
Weisser	it seems they have a quota on file number soft quota of 4000 it seems dumb, am i right? who knows why they limit number of files -.-	[17:13]
kwest	i wonder if they are supposed to manually pick the staging category when they edit.	[17:14]
daniam	I did. Yet, the Table of content does not appear. Does it mean that the toc is generated or updated one might say automatically?	[17:14]
luciash	Weisser: _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ usually means your language hasn't the HomePage content translatet yet daniam: yes	[17:14]
Weisser	luciash, thanks	[17:15]
ricks99\|away	@daniam: yes, please see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginmaketoc	[17:15]
Weisser	luciash, can i do anything to make tikiwiki thinner? i need to reduce the number of files	[17:15]
luciash	Weisser: remove all languages you don't need	[17:15]
Weisser	it has ~10k files, and i can only have up to 4k did that already is it even possible to reduce number of files below 4k ?	[17:15]
luciash	Weisser: you will not reduce by removing much more unless you know what to remove from the Zend lib	[17:16]
Weisser	and btw maybe you know why there even is such a quota on ym school server? :<	[17:16]
daniam	Tks ricks99	[17:16]
ricks99\|away	yw	[17:17]
luciash	we had tikilite script once but it is not available nomore iirc	[17:17]
Weisser	:/	[17:17]
daniam	It's hard to be a newbie. If feels eternal ;-)	[17:17]
Weisser	damn, i just dont understand it, why 150 mb of size quota isn't enough	[17:17]
daniam	IT feels eternal	[17:17]
Weisser	why do they have to add stupid file count quota of 40k	[17:18]
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ricks99\|away	@daniam: np. tiki is huge. my primer is pretty good tho (imho)	[17:18]
albertux	hi, if i change the domainname where i need to edit to change the domain on the DB ?	[17:18]
luciash	Weisser: if you don't need all the bells and whistles you can download old 1.9.11 version (unmaintained) it runs on 16M memory limit and you can remove Galaxia lib from it to reduce weight (it has no Zend back than yet)	[17:19]
Weisser	what do you mean by bells and whistles? i'd rather find yet another host	[17:19]
luciash	Weisser: or what is your project about ? opensource ? then you could try to host it on some service like sf.net or ourproject.org	[17:20]
Weisser	but damn, it's a dissapitment, my school host is all god, spare the stupid file limit nah, it's a game related project	[17:20]
luciash	lates bells and whistles i mean latest cool new features	[17:20]
Weisser	yeah, but what kind of features would i lose	[17:20]
albertux	is posible to change domain name ?	[17:20]
luciash	lot of them and no support :-/ Weisser: better try look for another hosting Weisser: are there any gaming servers supporting free hosting ?	[17:20]
ricks99\|away	@albertux: the name is/should be relative. there's no domain name control within tiki	[17:21]
albertux	but doesn't work if i change the domain	[17:22]
ricks99\|away	all internal links are relative to your install location. it shouldn't matter	[17:22]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3078 - - 'next page' link in forum threads doesn't ... - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3078 New Forum Posts: Staging help - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36648	[17:23]
Weisser	luciash, thanks for all help, i might try contacting admin of that server and ask him for an exception	[17:23]
albertux	i remove cache and works	[17:25]
ricks99\|away	ricks99\|away in his best "Karate Kid" voice.... Clear cache. Always remember: clear cache.	[17:26]
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kwest	I just went into groups, and saw a setting "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group:" I used the staging group, and still nothing goes in there.	[17:27]
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franck	changi: still here?	[17:42]
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kwest	ooookay so. i turned off categories, and staging. I turned categories back on, created the two categories, and turned on staging with the apropriate categories, and now I get the editing option but they still never go into the category	[17:42]
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kwest	does anyone here use this and have it work properly? i just dont see why it would be behaving this way for me alone. its a brand new install. i didnt upgrade or anything	[17:45]
Weisser	damn, i have head enough of hs :D i am buying hosting space from a quality commercial service	[17:49]
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Xavi	toctoc	[17:54]
kwest	maybe I will just remove the whole install and start fresh without this working, the whole wiki idea doesnt really work for me. :/	[17:56]
ricks99	using file gallery to store images... where do i set the default thumbnail size?	[18:02]
jonnyb	ricks99: it's hard coded i'm afraid - i shudder each time i remember (it wasn't me!)	[18:13]
ricks99	frack	[18:14]
jonnyb	in lib/images/abstract.php	[18:14]
ricks99	good thing that image gallery wasn't completly removed...	[18:15]
Xavi	ricks99: +1 :-) hi jonnyb	[18:15]
ricks99	hi xavi	[18:15]
jonnyb	hi hi	[18:15]
Xavi	"frack" ? :-) Xavi is testing KDE under windoze, btw (konversation)	[18:15]
ricks99	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frak_%28expletive%29	[18:16]
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Xavi	a, ok, fictional version.... (I imagined so :-) )	[18:19]
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albertux	howto add google analytics ? {GOOGLEANALYTICS(account=xxxxxx)} it's ok ?	[18:30]
Xavi	albertux, did you read the documentation?	[18:31]
albertux	no jaja sorry	[18:31]
Xavi	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation and search for the plugin anybody knows how to use the webdav feature in tiki5? or the ical?	[18:31]
albertux	only says google maps :s	[18:33]
Xavi	willing to document them, but I can't manage on my own	[18:33]
albertux	and google doc	[18:34]
sylvieg	albertux: ther is an example in the admin-> look page	[18:34]
ricks99	ical is export only	[18:35]
albertux	how i know if i can use google plugin ?	[18:35]
Xavi	and if later, albertux, you could crete that page for the documentation http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginGoogleAnalytics , you would be more than welcome	[18:35]
ricks99	@albertux: see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+plugins	[18:36]
Xavi	ricks99: if we can save theical in a webdav folder, I guess that it's not save only ;-)	[18:36]
ricks99	@albertux: if u are adding to google analytics only to a single page, can use HTML plugin. much simplier @xavi: but Tiki does not automatically update it. it is a 1 time export	[18:37]
Xavi	I mean, maybe they already implemented a way to keep ical in a webdav file gallery <- ricks99 ricks99: your answer is for tiki5?	[18:37]
albertux	ricks99 where i the html plugin?	[18:38]
ricks99	havent used in 5 (yet)	[18:38]
Xavi	albertux, read the documentation first, and ask then	[18:38]
ricks99	@albertux: pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginhtml	[18:38]
albertux	ok ok	[18:38]
ricks99	search is your best friend if u are new to tiki, i strongy suggest <shameless plug> the beginner's guide: http://twbasics.keycontent.org </shamless plug> so far every question u asked is in there :)	[18:38]
Xavi	I read the slides from marclaporte for the confoo presentation today, and I saw interesting things, like the S5jquery presentaion which I don't know how to use yet, and I couldn't read any documentation yet	[18:39]
ricks99	@xavi: y. any reason why he choose a different tiki logo?	[18:40]
Xavi	ricks99: not sure, but I think it's part of his proposal for a new image for Tiki marketing. He is the best one to be asked, anyway	[18:40]
ricks99	sent him email earlier.	[18:41]
albertux	using {html()} plugin doesn't write the full script :S thanks any way	[18:42]
ricks99	wfm	[18:43]
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ricks99	did u enable the plugin? ah well	[18:43]
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GillesM	hi on tracker export avec 300 items I got the message Fatal error</b>: Call to a member function fetchRow() on a non-object in ... is it know problem ? oups sorry it fails on 3.2 but works on 4.2	[18:47]
changi	franck: yes	[18:49]
franck	changi: you subscribed me to a newsletter?	[18:50]
changi	franck: no why ?	[18:50]
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aayala	its posible to write the chars { } on footer.tpl ?	[18:51]
franck	changi: in private check your windows...	[18:53]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26086 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: notice	[19:08]
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sylvieg	aayala use {literal}	[19:09]
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Athanasia	Good morning everyone	[19:10]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26087 10/branches/5.x/lib/tikilib.php: notice	[19:10]
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Athan	Okay... Hi again lol. I'm new at being a webadmin and my orginization is using tiki and we're moving to a faster server. Is there an easy to to migrate all the settings from one to the other or am i'm going to have to copy past all the old articals and such from one to the other?	[19:11]
sylvieg	copy the directories and the database - I think there is a page on this on doc	[19:13]
Athan	I found that but the one to copy that database is really really vague I do have access to myphpadmin on both servers, but no ssh. is there a way to just export the data since the new site has a tiki install that is working currently.	[19:14]
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Xavi	Athan?	[19:31]
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Xavi	btw, I installed 5.x alpha from svn, and basic install with strasa.css fails (due to minify javascript or css) I mean, theme was only shown when I disabled them "fails"= it succeeds, but layout of page is borked, and no theme displayed	[19:34]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26088 10/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [NEW]group: option to put automatically at registration or by batch user in a group depending a pattern on their email	[19:44]
sylvieg	perhaps it is a perm on the mimified dirs	[19:44]
Xavi	good guess, sylvieg, I?ll check it was a blank new install on dir from svn... so maybe yes	[19:52]
	sylvieg, do you know what does "Dump all tracker items" mean in Tiki5? (beyond export tracker items?)	[20:06]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r26089 10/branches/5.x/lang/ (46 files in 46 dirs): [MOD] lang folder: clean and homogenize the index.php files in lang folder	[20:06]
sylvieg	I suppose it is jonny's feature	[20:07]
jonnyb	hmm?	[20:08]
Xavi	jonnyb 's feature?	[20:08]
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aayala	Sorry it's me again i have a little trouble i don;t change anything	[20:08]
jonnyb	yes, it exports big trackers - 10,000+ items	[20:08]
aayala	but tiki-admin.php?page=textarea show blank page	[20:08]
Xavi	jonnyb, in which format? csv? any documentation anywhere?	[20:09]
jonnyb	i couldn't get the existing export fns to stop leaking memory and blowing up	[20:09]
Xavi	:-)	[20:09]
jonnyb	csv - same as before (except calculated fields are just raw)	[20:09]
Xavi	anyway, jonny, which settings are you using for that?	[20:09]
jonnyb	geoff promised to do some docs	[20:10]
Xavi	ah, you use the same user-selected-settings for export as the form abouve?	[20:10]
sylvieg	sylvieg ashame - did not have time to try this feature..	[20:10]
jonnyb	no settings - just trackerId the whole lot	[20:10]
Xavi	charset? char for spliltting cells?...	[20:10]
jonnyb	utf-8	[20:11]
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jonnyb	splitting? you mean %%% etc	[20:11]
Xavi	ok, I'll try and figure it out myself as far as I can reach I mean: "1";"2";"3"... or	[20:11]
jonnyb	oh = i uses commas and quotes	[20:11]
Xavi	"1","2","3"...	[20:11]
jonnyb	(as in the C in CSV) ;)	[20:12]
Xavi	:-) anyway, for this to be usable for many users (from different O.S, spreadsheets, etc.), we should offer the user to select the charset and the few other settings that are offered for the user at tracker export (the former one)	[20:12]
jonnyb	the created etc timestamps aren't quoted, as they weren't before (out of export) sure! :D	[20:12]
Xavi	as it is now it's a bit confusing for end user (not sure what's the differnce, and why not settings, etc.)	[20:13]
jonnyb	less work (and better performance) you'll see what comes out soon enough - but yes, there should be some description & help	[20:14]
aayala	it;s normal tiki-admin.php?page=textarea show blank page ?	[20:14]
kwest	hmm. I just wiped my site and DB, used the community profile, and set up staging. still didnt assign anything to the staging category.	[20:15]
jonnyb	aayala: sounds like your memory limit	[20:15]
kwest	maybe I need to try without the profile	[20:15]
jonnyb	in php.ini - can you change it?	[20:15]
aayala	i don't know let me see im using hostmonster	[20:15]
jonnyb	no, admin/textarea loads all the plugins - there are a lot!	[20:16]
kwest	you will most likely need to get them to increase it to 32MB if its a shared host	[20:16]
aayala	thanks jonnydb kwest :S	[20:18]
jonnyb	hope you can change it if not you could move the plugins you're not using somewhere else	[20:18]
Xavi	haha, jonny, great stuff that tracker dump. however, dates are not readable for humans :-), and some fields (like static) were missing in the dump, even if they were in the former tracker export. fyi	[20:19]
kwest	my host changed mine for me. 32MB is not too unreasonable these days	[20:19]
jonnyb	(that should be on doc.two somewhere)	[20:19]
Xavi	^ jonnyb, fyi	[20:20]
jonnyb	xavi: the idea is so you can back up big trackers, and move them around	[20:20]
Xavi	ok, but some info is missing static text , at least and %% code are parsed, so that if you import again: is it written into %% again?	[20:20]
jonnyb	ah, ok - also multiingual ones	[20:20]
Xavi	multilingual? I didn't user multilingual	[20:21]
jonnyb	categories should be tested too	[20:21]
Xavi	S/user/use s/%/%% brrrrr, irc (or bots) are eating on % when I write 3 of them s/on/one anyway... I mean: I can provide one tracker export with a few different fields, in csv or .ods, so that differences for end user can be clearly seen (only 20 items, so no issues of memory leakage on neither of them, etc.)	[20:21]
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jonnyb	yes, for less than thousands of records use the old export (ajax version, of course ;) )	[20:24]
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Xavi	:-) but remember that new dump-export forgot the static fields for me	[20:27]
	sylvieg: I tried enabling minify css, after setup.sh again, and the site lost theme style again: http://r-help-es.ourproject.org how can I know if the problem is some missing folder on the server?	[20:32]
sylvieg	activate the firebug or other tool to see if the js file exists	[20:33]
Xavi	ok Xavi is missing his current setup on GNU/Linux - not used to windoze or snow leopard Xavi installing firefox extensions	[20:34]
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Xavi	sylvieg , the minified css and js are there, but with 600 and the webserver cannot read them :-(	[20:43]
sylvieg	it should be in setup.sh...	[20:44]
Xavi	it's at op.o (gforged site, with mod security, su_php, etc. should be in setup.sh? how come, if they are created only when I enabled the checkbox at the performance panel? isn't it some php writing them on the server? and for some reason, they are getting 600 there (and web user is not the owner of them) I wouldn't like to attempt to fix myself...	[20:44]
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Xavi	Xavi still remembers the issue with perms on ourproject.org when I attempted to fix with the help of "some other coder" from irc :-) dangerous "irc codding", it was called later on... :-) s/codding/coding changi around? jonnyb, you'll have the same issue whenever you want to install that tiki on c2c.op.o with minify css minified css and js files are created with 600 perms on the server, and web server can't read them changi: this ^ comes from a tiki5 alpha from svn (today) installed on a server with mod security and su_php...	[20:46]
jonnyb	most odd - surely it should be the same as the templates_c etc	[20:49]
Xavi	Xavi checking jonnyb: nope :-) 644 644 at templates_c I have to go.	[20:49]
jonnyb	ok - bibi	[20:51]
Xavi	keep up the good work! :-)	[20:51]
jonnyb	gracias	[20:51]
Xavi	a pleasure to provide feedback when I can get some time for that cheers	[20:51]
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kwest	yep. did another new install, followed the comments on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Page+Staging+and+Approval, and it still doesnt assign anything to the staging category can anyone verify this as working, becuase i am thinking it is a bug. i did use any profiles this time either when i installed i havent upgraded to 4.2 yet. anyone know where i can find a changelog	[21:00]
daniam	Xavi: Je viens de tester ton site. L'enregistrement fonctionne super bien. Beau projet que ourproject.org	[21:03]
chealer	hi daniam. Xavi left Gary, Marc and me are back from Confoo	[21:04]
daniam	Oups. Comment ça été la conférence ce matin? J'ai vos DVD. Demain, c'est quand le meilleur temps pour passer?	[21:07]
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chealer	daniam: the talk went well except for a bug a few bugs on trunk and network issues for the demo :/ daniam: cool. you can come tomorrow morning (noon/eleven is good). daniam: Marc says it would be cool if you came to the dinner tonight (I don't know if I'll be there).	[21:08]
daniam	Unless there is a prob. I'll stop by. Dinner tonight? Let me check and get back to you.	[21:10]
chealer	daniam: yes, there's a Confoo dinner around 7 PM	[21:11]
daniam	Pls give me the coordinates. I'm not sure. I'll check and get back to you.	[21:12]
chealer	daniam: around 7 PM at Les 3 brasseurs in Old Montreal, then Les 2 pierrots	[21:14]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26091 10/branches/5.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [FIX]tracker: fix #user changed to the username	[21:32]
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Weisser	i finally uploaded tiki to a commercial hosting but i has only 24 mb in php will tiki really refuse to work in such condition?	[21:36]
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sylvieg	24 is not enough	[21:37]
chealer	Weisser: it won't refuse, except for the check for memory (I don't know if that's just a warning or an error) but I would recommend you don't use Tiki in such an environment	[21:38]
Weisser	it's a commercial hosting, why is the number set so low? or, in reverse, why does tiki require so much memory?	[21:38]
chealer	Weisser: 24 MB is not a lot of memory. just look at your process manager if you're using a desktop from the third millenium...	[21:48]
Weisser	chealer i know but 24 mb seems to be a lot for a php script doing the wiki stuff	[21:48]
chealer	Weisser: I don't know many PHP applications at this level, but 128 MB is now a common default for PHP memory limit	[21:53]
sylvieg	but tw is not only a wiki Weisser: if you want only a wii - there a re plenty of low consuming opensources	[21:54]
Weisser	yes, that would be good, but i need a wiki with a decent permissions system :< do you happen to know of any? or perhaps i can try and remove everything i don;t need from tikiwiki, to reduce the requirements?	[21:55]
sylvieg	with permissions like tw - none - tw perms are very very powerful	[21:56]
Weisser	:<	[21:56]
sylvieg	tw consumes - because it 'loads' a lot of features	[21:56]
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sylvieg	even if not activated .. there are still a little bit there	[21:57]
Weisser	sylvieg would it be hard to remove those that i quite obviously don't use?	[21:57]
sylvieg	you can reduce disk space - buit empting the libs - but memory .. is not so simple try with 24m you will have - pure guess - 80% of tw working if your php is well set it wil enough (with cache..) but I never saw not expensive shared hostings well set	[21:58]
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sylvieg	a good memry consumption is to delete all the plugins you do not need in lib/wiki-plugins directory Weisser did you try to change memory limit in .htaccess? a lot of hostings let you to do so	[22:01]
Weisser	hmm... haven't i'll try now	[22:04]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26093 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: [MOD]group: email pattern assignment only if user is not in the group + set default to this group	[22:07]
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sylvieg	sylvieg hate to commit in trunk and test in 5 :-(	[22:13]
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chibaguy	polom	[23:19]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy - i'm about ready for bed - you must be back home now?	[23:31]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb, no, not yet. I've been attending confoo.ca (web techno conference). I'm going back Sunday morning.	[23:33]
jonnyb	oh ok - thought you were jet lagged or something (zzz) is good?	[23:33]
chibaguy	heh, actually kinda busy w/ tiki themes.	[23:34]
jonnyb	yak yak	[23:34]
chibaguy	the sessions I went to were good. but I skipped some that I thought I wouldn't get much out of, and did some css stuff. also walked around montreal a bit.	[23:34]
jonnyb	i applied to do one about jquery in tiki	[23:35]
sylvieg	not walking the dog - but Montreal :-)	[23:35]
jonnyb	how's the weather?	[23:35]
chibaguy	:-) that's right, sylvieg. the weather has been great. sunny days and global warming temperatures.	[23:35]
sylvieg	in Boston it is spring - 13 years I am missing spring - but this year I have the same spring I had in France	[23:37]
chibaguy	yes, it's nice for springtimes; I hope the planet will be ok in general.	[23:38]
sylvieg	it is more al nino paterm than global warming	[23:40]
chibaguy	ok, that's good.	[23:43]
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