#tikiwiki 2010-05-08,Sat

nightcab

hello

chealer

polom

nightcab

is there anywere?

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Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3173 - - PluginProposal: add a 4th: I read and I am ok with whatever is decided - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3173

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marclaporte

yeah, a few

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New Forum Posts: Save Draft - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37150
New Forum Posts: Library needs help......List wiki pages by page date and last accessed - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37149

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xavi

toctoc

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marclaporte

who's there?

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xavi

hi, marclaporte. where?

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marclaporte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-knock_joke
"Knock-knock jokes are well entrenched in the UK, Ireland, France, Belgium, Australia, the U.S.A., Canada, South Africa and India. In nations such as Brazil and Germany they are practically unknown."
I guess not so much in Spain :-)

[16:18]

xavi

:-) well, I recall playing it in Barcelona when I was really young :-)
you know, accuracy of wiki pages is not perfect ;-)
but since I recently joined irc, I wanted to make sure that it was not the follow up of a previous conversation, etc.
chibaguy ?
by the way, anybody knows what's the state of the art of the flickering in Tiki5 ?
I'm reviewing recent revision of tiki5 svn using ff 3.6.3pre and I see that flickering 3 times per page load some times

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marclaporte

flicker is a pain
do you know what feature is causing?

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chibaguy

hi xavi.

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chibaguy

marclaporte, at reaxmusic, the flickering was coming from outside javascripts loading mostly, wasn't it?

[16:57]

xavi

back. marclaporte: no idea which feature produces it, sorry

[16:58]

luciash

i haven't notice the flickering recently

[16:58]

xavi

chibaguy: did you try installing tiki mods from 5svn? I got WSOD yesterday
jonny reported instead that it was working for him (at least he could see the tiki mods interface from 5beta2)

[16:58]

luciash

why does applying a profile takes so long ?

[16:59]

chibaguy

no, xavi, I haven't tried installing mods with branch 5 at all.

[16:59]

luciash

xavi: it depends if you have php errors enabled or not

[16:59]

xavi

luci, I installed a profile yesterday at normal speed

luciash

if not, you get WSOD, if yes, you get the interface + php error in the bottom

xavi

php errors enabled: I will :-)
chibaguy: I asked because I thoought you plan to continue placing the gpl'd themes in mods svn, and from there to mods.tw.o by nyloth

luciash

what is normal speed, it takes more than 30 seconds here

xavi

8 seconds or so yesterday for me (R_test, like the simple Bug_tracker profile)

[17:01]

luciash

goddamn, someone broke tr_user url param functionality for trackerlist ?

[17:02]

chibaguy

xavi, I do plan to use the mods svn repository for themes, but I don't know how many people install the themes via mods admin, vs. getting the gz file and installing manually. Of course mods admin should work, though.

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xavi

ok , chibaguy, fair enough!
xavi feels that he is the only one installing mods from mods interface

[17:03]

luciash

:)
most probably yes, xavi

[17:06]

marclaporte

: /me thinks all mods that are now in trunk need to be nuked from mods

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luciash

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marclaporte

ex.: http://mods.tikiwiki.org/details.php?type=wikiplugins&mod=group should be nuked from mods

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luciash

ah
sorry, tr_user seems to work
hmm, nope, in page it shows "Array" instead of tr_user value from URL

[17:11]

xavi

back from phone
mods.... they are still useful for packages with incompatible license, you know...
lastly, pluginR for me, for instance

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26995 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/redirect/: [KIL] Plugin redirect is in Tiki core and not maintained in mods

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marclaporte

yes, they are!
which is why we need to reduce clutter there

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xavi

derived from a GPL's extension for mediawiki, and the original author didn't want to dual license, etc.
kile redirect: well done!
S/kile/kill

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luciash

sylvieg: any idea why &tr_user=foo doesn't pass that value to the wiki page template but displays "Array" instead ?

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xavi

marclaporte, we need a mac user willing to test WebDAV (to adapt the instructions in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/WebDAV for Mac)
hopefully, I'll be able to re-test later today from GNU/Linux and latest 5svn
ok, bbl (walk the dog)

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26996 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/ (group/ js/ mouseover/ perm/ scroll/ trackeritemfield/): [KIL] Remove several plugins from mods as they are now maintained in Tiki core

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26997 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/ (files/ iframe/): [KIL] Remove several plugins from mods as they are now maintained in Tiki core

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marclaporte

http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-mods.php shows me version 3 stuff
I can't pick v4
and when I try to install PluginR, I get: key: themes/tikipedia/templates/styles/tikipedia/credits.tpl templates/styles/tikipedia/credits.tpl to add
but doesn't work

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r26998 10/trunk/lib/ (11 files in 6 dirs): [ENH] Some code clean up in Javascript according to quality.tikiwiki.org

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tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r26999 10/branches/5.x/modules/ (mod-func-last_podcasts.php mod-last_podcasts.php): [FIX] New module format

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tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r27000 10/trunk/lib/fckeditor_tiki/plugins/CleanHTML/fckplugin.js: [ENH] Code cleanup as of quality.tikiwiki.org
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r27001 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [ENH] add some hint on how to acces the Tiki WebDAV
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r27002 10/branches/5.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: [EHN/bp27001] add some hint on how to acces the Tiki WebDAV
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27003 10/mods/trunk/features/tiki-sheet/: [KIL] TikiSheet is in core, no need to have old files in mods
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27004 10/mods/trunk/features/ (galaxia/ jukebox/ phpsource/ solve/):
tikiwiki: [KIL] kill various source files from mods (jukebox, galaxia, solve, phpsource)
tikiwiki: as they don't work, are not maintained and/or have been superceded by other
tikiwiki: features. Even if work was done, it would be better to start from this archaic
tikiwiki: code base.
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27005 10/mods/trunk/features/phpcas/: [KIL] remove phpcas files from mods, now that it's a core feature of Tiki

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27006 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/galaxia_sweet_ui/: [KIL] The Galaxia Workflow Engine has been retired from Tiki4 and is superseded by Category Transitions, which serves the same purpose, but much more tightly integrated. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Category+Transitions

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27008 10/mods/trunk/Packages/ (13 files): [KIL] remove mods installer files for code already deleted

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27009 10/mods/trunk/Packages/00_list.txt: [FIX] restore file (commit error)

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luciash

why in Tiki 5 users are not offered insert plugin icon anymore when editing textarea ?
from the toolbar
there is only icon for mouseover plugin instead
and why Registered users can't view Wiki pages ?

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27010 10/mods/trunk/Packages/00_list.txt: [KIL] remove already deleted features from mods list

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luciash

(fresh install)

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marclaporte

fresh install, and no profile?
I didn't see that

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27011 10/mods/trunk/devtools/: [KIL] old cvs stuff

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luciash

ah, sorry, maybe a test profile changed that

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27012 10/mods/trunk/features/ (config/ dlp/): [KIL] cleanup

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luciash

i'll reinstall and see
why is the security precaution for installer not translatable ?

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27013 10/mods/trunk/lib/ (nusoap/ vtiger/): [KIL] remove never used code from 2005

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marclaporte

no idea

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27014 10/mods/trunk/templates/: [KIL] deleting a bad idea which has no chance of working, given the speed Tiki is developed

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27015 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/ (book/ ebay/ pagename/): [KIL] remove useless/vaporware stuff

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27016 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/phplot/Readme: [DOC] PHPlot is now LGPL

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xavi

marclaporte, is BSD license compatible with LGPL? (thejit.org : Impressive)

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27017 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/wmv/: [KIL] vaporware or missing file, this is useless

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marclaporte

xavi: yes
yes, impressive

xavi

yes

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27018 10/mods/trunk/images/: [KIL] logos are part of the main code base

marclaporte

my little finger tells me someone will be in touch

xavi

"someone" not me :-) my plate is too full with PluginR (for what I need for work at university)

marclaporte

hehe

xavi

see this: http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/

marclaporte

how often does http://mods.tikiwiki.org/ refresh?

xavi

2.0 collaborative website for graphs made upon R
as often as someone pings nyloth to do that , afaik
or this: http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/allgraph.php
xavi goes back to kitchen time :-)

marclaporte

xavi: can we kill tikidav mods? or you want to work with Stephan to port some features?

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luciash

xavi: you have ubuntu, right ? do u also get in firefox all text iput fields too wide ?
*input
(unless their width is explicitly specified by css)

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xavi

marclaporte: please, don't kill it yet (I still dream that some good coder will look at it to borrow some features - I can't myself)
luci: what is "too" wide?
like login fields, you mean?
and yes, ubuntu (9.10 in desktop, 10.04 in laptop)

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luciash

yep, in forms in general, the fields are too wide compared to Chrome or other browsers if it is html "default" (no width specified for that element specificaly)
i couldn't figure out, why on FF browsers do that for me here
older versions too
it started some time ago with Ubuntu 9.04 i think
xavi: anyway, i was just curious if it's only me or Ubuntu problem in general

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27019 10/mods/trunk/themes/508/: [KIL] unmaintained other issues. Accessibility should be in all Tiki themes, not a specific one
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27020 10/mods/trunk/taglines/: [KIL] 1-This folder is empty 2- Why would someone want to maintain taglines like this. Use a wiki page instead

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luciash

sylvieg: having &tr_user=foo and {$tr_user} in pretty tracker wiki tpl worked before, now i get "Array" instead of "foo" as a result... any idea what jas changed ?
in 5.x

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xavi

marclaporte: there is some problem at demo.tw.o. I can reproduce the same problem you had there to install pluginR mod (weird), but I've been able to install it from the same mods.tw.o reporisoty in two other installations (1, localhost, 2. server at university)
so definitively, there is something wrong at demo.tw.o

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27021 10/mods/trunk/Packages/ (5 files): [KIL] more mods cleanup

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xavi

and were I couldn't use mods, nowadays (with almost latest svn, at least) I can
fyi ^
the listing of mods is wrong in all tiki sites. If a mod is for tiki 4, then when you select 3.x in the version dropdown, it shouldn't be listed there

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CIA-56

tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27022 10/branches/5.x/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] update project name

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xavi

anyway, I move forward in my "testing" list for tonight

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marclaporte

tks

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xavi

marclaporte: and footer? update project name?

luciash

yes

xavi

someone reported that in devel list

luciash

for consistency of sake it's good

marclaporte

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luciash

we need some throbbler indication overlay for pages like install and profiles application i guess

[21:14]

marclaporte

mods.tikiwiki.org update seems automatic because I didn't have to ask Nyloth

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luciash

the plugins icon is really missing in fresh install toolbars

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xavi

btw, fyi: enabling ajax makes the icons in the horizontal icon bar in admin features unusable
clicking to other admin section does nothing once ajax is enabled , like right now in demo.tw.o/5x
xavi is keen to have broken demo.tw.o/5x :-D
s/keen to have/keen on having
I'll unselect ajax...
ok, it works again :-)

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lucican you help me test something related to webdav in tiki5, please? (it'll be 5 min)
I'm wondering whether file locking works
do you have konqueror and kate installed?
luci ^
marclaporte: fyi : I'm editing a text file directly on a webdav file gallery in tiki5 (demo.tw.o) from GNU/Linux (native support in konqueror and kate, at least, so far).
and it works

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luciash

xavi: i am not sure, i wiped all KDE recently

xavi

:-)

marclaporte

xavi : yay!

xavi

marclaporte: drag & drop also works ! (konqueror)
:-)
and natively :-)

luciash

xavi: nope, no konq here anmore
anymore

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xavi

ok
I'll test later on again with nautilus
and/or gnome based text editors
well, I can try that now

[21:45]

luciash

i could try with nautilus but dunno how it works at all
(webdav)

[21:46]

marclaporte

marclaporte tries to install tinvoice
lib/jpgraph/src/index.php to lib/jpgraph/src/index.php impossible to copy

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xavi

nice! drag & drop also works natively with nautilus! :-)
yes, nautilus and gedit might also server for the file locking test :-)
luci, ready? :-)
s/server/serve

[21:49]

luciash

yes
be my guide

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xavi

:-D

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marclaporte

tiki-phpfreechat_ajax.php to lib/phpfreechat/tiki-phpfreechat_ajax.php impossible to copy

[21:51]

xavi

go to Places > connect to server
in your gnome
marclaporte: those messages are because those files listed are not there! I checked that two years ago or so
I mean, the finles listed in the package-*.txt for that mod
luci?

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luciash

how to do it from nautilus window please ?

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xavi

:-D
you are not using gnome, is it?

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luciash

xfce :)
but i have nautilus open

xavi

:-) ok, in nautilus location bar, type:

luciash

and gedit installed too

xavi

dav://admin@demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-webdav.php/File%20Galleries

luciash

ok
done

xavi

for the record: with konqueror, the syntax seems to be:
webdav://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-webdav.php/File Galleries/
ok, do you see some files?
6 should be

[21:54]

luciash

no, it asks for password first ;)

[21:54]

xavi

ok, then, provide pass :-)

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luciash

done
i see the files now

xavi

ok, so, how many files?

luciash

xavi

ok, then, open in your gedit the only txt file there
apple with worm, etc

luciash

ok, open with gedit

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xavi

marclaporte: do you have kde4windows installed already?
marclaporte: you should try this with your konqueror on windows

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luciash

*opened

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xavi

it might work natively from kde4win
ok, luci: hold on, then...
write some new line at the end with your name, or so, please
but don't save it yet

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marclaporte

xavi : is WebDAV speed ok? I remember you were saying it was an issue for TikiDAV

[21:57]

xavi

marclaporte: I don't know, just testing right now :-)

[21:58]

luciash

ok, done

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xavi

after 4 years or so
luci, ok, then I open it also, and edit it... (so hold on)

[21:58]

FrankP_german

hello
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginSubscribeGroups&structure=Documentation

[21:59]

xavi

ok, luci, can you save you edit now?
hello FrankP_german

[21:59]

FrankP_german

in table Parameters missing a p by showgroudescription

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luciash

xavi: sure thing
xavi: The file dav://admin@demo.tikiwik…with_worm_dan_gerh_01.txt has been modified since reading it.

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xavi

FrankP_german: fixed. but for next times, can you fix it yourselve? :-) (please)
luci: :-D nice!
I did modify it.

luciash

fine

xavi

I did add a line myself

luciash

is that all ?

xavi

and what can you do now?
can you save it anyway?

FrankP_german

xavi: I have no account to doc.tikiwiki.org

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luciash

[Save Anyway] or [Don't Save]
xavi: "If you save it, all the external changes could be lost. Save it anyway?"

[22:02]

xavi

luci: ok, good enough, at least you are warned that concurrent edit was going on
ok, save it
FrankP_german: do you have account at tikiwiki.org?

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luciash

xavi: saved anyway

xavi

ok, now I check on my side

FrankP_german

account to forum, yes

xavi

FrankP_german: then you do have an account at doc.tw.o indeed! :-)
it's the same login and pass

FrankP_german

xavi

luci: ok, test finished. Thanks

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tikiwiki: 03jacmoe2 * r27023 10/trunk/templates/tiki-bot_bar.tpl: [FIX] Changed TikiWiki CMS/Groupware to Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware in the powered by logo. Changed also Tikiwiki Community to Tiki Community (although not sure about that one)

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luciash

xavi: u r welcome
xavi: i am at the demo site, where do you setup the webdav for file gals ?

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xavi

:-) http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Webdav

luciash

is it only feature checbox ?

xavi

I wrote it there a few hours ago (with info from sept_7)

luciash

ah, thx

xavi

yes, just checkbox for file gals and wevdav

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