tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27092 10/branches/5.x/templates/styles/fivealive/tiki-bot_bar.tpl: [FIX] Fivealive theme: change of "Tikiwiki" to "Tiki" in the theme specific tpl + official project name should not be translatable
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27093 10/branches/5.x/lang/cs/language.php: czech language: some more translated
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27094 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-listpages.tpl: [FIX] wiki list pages: better XHTML
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27095 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki.sql: [ENH] main application menu: give the menu modern and nicer look using the vert type CSS menus by default for fresh installs (feel free to rollback if you will find it problematic)
I upgraded tikiwiki from 1.9 to 3.5.  I know the themes in 1.9 are now not compatible.  do I just delete the theme folders?   I downloaded a new theme 'tikipedia'  where do I uncompress it?
i.e. delete templates/styles/geo
yep
luciash, thanks.  
if the package contains structure like templates/styles/tikipedia and styles/tikipedia.css, you uncompress it in your tiki installation root dir
luciash, thanks!  
er if it is tikipedia_tiki_3/styles/tikipedia?
when I try to apply a new theme (tikipedia for instance) I get "Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked"  What does this mean?
when it is like that, you have to unpack it somewhere else and then move only contents of tikipedia_tiki_3/
ah..   ok.  
that worked.. I needed to disable the "Require confirmation if possible CSRF detected"  because it would not allow the admin to change the theme.  is this a known issue?
luciash: the rationale for Pages is that it offers more than a list of pages, it's an administrative interface allowing people with the required privileges to create, delete, edit, etc. pages.
except it's not Admin Pages, because plain users can access it too.
it's a mix between, say List Quizzes and Admin Quizzes
marclaporte: Hi
morning
polom
good morning
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27096 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] change a few defaults a) minify css is reported to cause issues on some installs so better let people activate it. b) New logo
chealer: i understand but "Wiki" > "Pages" sounded dull and didn't give a clue what is behind and that you can quickly create a new wiki page there
polom everybody
polom luci
luciash : any quick ideas for logos for the new features in admin panel?  (payment, advanced rating, etc?)
everytime I try to figure out logos, it takes me an eternity!
:-)
payment: striked through "c" vertically maybe ?
advanced rating: no idea
:)
hehe
marclaporte: but i wonder if it should go to the Admin panel, if it is not tiki-admin.php?page=payment
shouldn't it be in the menu only ?
yes, it is that URL
ah, i thought one of them you sent me were not
perhaps
the logo doesn't have enough space in the top. How do I move the curvey line a few pixels to the right?
they should all be findable from tiki-admin.php
I know the bottom on tiki-admin.php is ugly
see how i did it on profiles.tw.o in Admin > L&F > Misc > CSS Code
but I prefer that the 42 menu has the strict basics (menu, groups, users) and most features be in tiki-admin.php
awesome thanks!
"Need icon for Tiki Payment to appear in tiki-admin.php and link to tiki-payment.php"
so i thought it is not tiki-admin.php?page=payment
div#sitelogo img { margin-top: 24px;}
sorry
is what is there now. I add or replace with margin-left: -24px ?
yes, in fivealive you can remove that and add margin-left: -24px for the "talkative" Tiki logo
i didn't tested in IE browsers though, it was a "quick fix" on profiles.tw.o
maybe it would be better if the "curvy line" of the header edge was 24px more to the right
dunno how the designer did it that the logo doesn't fit in
how do I move the curvy line to the right?
no idea :) maybe it is background image and needs to be modified
ugh
or give it position, something like background: white url('somepathtothebgimage') 24px 0 no-repeat;
in CSS
i can check
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27097 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: [FIX] quick hack so logo doesn't overlap with header. background image needs adjusting.
thanks, I just committed a quick fix
it seems to be set for the #header
on profiles it's minified so i don't see exactly where, i will check in my local copy
i see, line 346
instead of -375px, -350px should help
tks
gotta go for now, bbl
marclaporte: btw, installer has still the older logo
ok, tks
 New Forum Posts: Linkverzeichnis, Berechtigungen - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=10&comments_parentId=37172
argh, now, I need gif logos for IE6
hi marc how can i help ?
do you have IE6?
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27098 10/branches/5.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] changing to new logo, better fix for more space in top section
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27099 10/branches/5.x/tiki-install.php: [MOD] new name & logo in installer
yonixxx: : can you help make Tiki5 work with new logo and name?
ok sorry here...
you need IE6 ? where i'm right now i should find a computer with IE6... what you want me to check ?
never mind IE6
ok, then ?
can you get branches/5.x
and run the installer
Mmm yes i should be able to do so
the top of the installer needs to look like the rest
from link dload on tw or svn ?
svn
yay changi!
:) installing right now a brand new branches/5.x from svn
changi: can I have one last commit?
yes you have time, i've to sync my local repos first
and i have 500 commit to pass :)
hehe
and for me it's lunch time :)
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27100 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive/options/ (6 files): [FIX] make top big enough for new logo
sites will look better now
hi jonnyb
morning marclaporte 
early or late?
both
:-)
I'll sleep more when I am dead
i think we should make you your own timezone in tiki :)
but for now, lots to do!
Tiki_tz
i was thinking i need (once 5.0 is really out) to go back to your long list of a while ago and recap
yes, I just got great news today
oh?
A large company picking Tiki for main Intranet
4000 employees
:O 
Marc it is slow... still uploading files...
Hey congrat Marc i happy you get it !
i'll go and start milking the jCow
LOL
tks yonixxx
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27101 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive/options/ (6 files): [FIX] harmonizing fivealive options with the main one
the funny thing is that they didn't see BBB and Kaltura and still said yes
on another topic... i've just removed the ugly, stupid default blog heading from a site again (client request) and i think we should remove some of it from the default on 5.0 - shall i?
yes, on 5.0 plz
it was horrible
what a relic
or (better i think) hide it from anyone who can't post there?
as it has number of posts, hits etc in
having a box there is fine, but it should be empty
if you want, put the smarty code in the template as an example
so new admins can see what Smarty is and how they could make their header nicer and with dynamic stats
as you wish
just as long as default installs are clean :-)
maybe in a comment... ok
http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/ if I try a wrong password (just to test), I get Fatal error: Class 'TikiLib' not found in /home/demotw/3.0/5x/lib/logs/logslib.php  on line 14  instead of database-connection-error.tpl (which I am trying to test)
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27102 10/branches/5.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl: [MOD] name & logo change
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27103 10/branches/5.x/templates/blog-heading.tpl: [MOD] Put ancient, ugly "bloginfo" default blog header code in a comment so it doesn't show on blogs, but is there as an example if needed.
i get the error just clicking on the link
svn conflict?
yes, because I faked a bad password
oh right - in local.db you mean
y
i think it may be due to a recent enhancement
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r27104 10/trunk/ (15 files in 9 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [ENH] Introduce the WYWIWYG in Wiki syntax. Allow to edit wiki page in WYSIWYG
tikiwiki: mode but keeping the wiki syntax. This should work for basic pages, there is
tikiwiki: still pb with smiley, wikiplugin can not be edited in WYSIWYG mode, etc...
tikiwiki: To activate go in the WYSIWYG admin panel et check the "Use Wiki syntax in
tikiwiki: WYSIWYG" checkbox, of course you need ajax...
on it locally
cooo, interesting commit... sept_7 finally got his wysiwyg thing working?
awsome
the holy grail!
I can just see Geoff jumping around in joy
i wonder if he's using ckeditor - or will we have to do it all again...
hope so!
hehe
hmmm, the db error - logslib needs tikilib...
which needs prefs etc
which if the database is broken isn't going to happen necessarily 
how was it before?  no logging of error?
no idea - i do history
I adde log on error recently
nope - sylvieg added that last month
rollback? (i can't work out a proper fix)
r26892
good morning Sylvie!
:)
when exactly is it happening
sylvieg & jonnyb: I hope you two will be in NY in October for TikiFest6!
because logging the error is nice
logslib is far too heavy for use there - you could probably write out a simple text file in temp if needed
- perhaps I can do a simplify add_log
sylvieg: just simulate a wrong password in db/local.php
it depends on user and prefs
i don't think (especially for 5.0) you should re-engineer logslib just for this one error
and if the database isn't there how can you log anything in it?
rollback- I will do a simple query for the case - but now breakfast
ok, will do
in any case there is a lot of messy stuff when you are not able to connect to db
that commit hit three files - just checking the others now
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27105 10/branches/5.x/db/ (tiki-db-adodb.php tiki-db-pdo.php tiki-db.php): [FIX] Rollback r26892 : Don't try to log database errors in the database that has the error.
yuk, check the error page!  http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-index.php
mmm - tasty!
which template makes that?
(sorry, just had the file open, didn't i!)
database-connection-error.tpl
found it - need more coffee...
try that, marclaporte 
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27106 10/branches/5.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Cosmetics for error page
by the way, setting tiki 5 to use a tiki 3 database is a really good way to get an interesting error message! :)
LOL
maybe nuke top logo altogether?
mine just says  System error.
An error occured while performing the request.
no Things to check: Is your database up and running?, etc
hmmm, the file will be called tiki-index.php of something, so you can't hide it
showing an helpful message is far more important than a pretty message
but both is best, no?
i think Marc's thinking about branding more thanelegance, y?
well, it says twice on the page that it's Tiki (3 with the URL)
but yes, main thing is helpful message to resolve
i also i think failing gracefully is a civilised way of doing software - it's rude to make a mess!
or let's just make Tiki fail proof! :-)
9.9 
oh dear - i seem to have slipped into a bit of kaltura testing (was supposed to be doing TikiKart!!)
a couple more commits on their way
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27107 10/branches/5.x/ (db/tiki-db-adodb.php templates/database-connection-error.tpl): [FIX]error: use a different error message when enable to connect to db in non verbose mode
ping jonnyb
pong ricks99 
tx for your work on the colorbox for info.tw.o...
1 questions...
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27108 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [MOD] moving features around in admin panel
hmm?
it does not seem to respect the showtitle=y
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27109 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-kaltura_video.tpl: [FIX] Kaltura: Move rogue hidden input into the nearest form
oh?
y. using as code ::{colorbox fgalId="4" thumb="y" sort_mode="random" showtitle="y" showfilename="n" showallthumbs="n"}::
it does for me
hm....
maybe need to re-svn up
will get back 2 u then.
and tx
might be to do with the gallery prefs?
*gallery display prefs
when i bbrowse the gallery, the  title does appear
http://info.tikiwiki.org/file4
this in info.two?
ta
y
crap. i cleared cache and now the colorbox is no longer being used for the pop up :(
wtf
i just got that - lib not loaded yet i think
it works for me now - but i'm getting the title twice...
arg. u see the image title in the module left column?
wtf. ie, ff, and chrome. I do *not* see the image title below the thumbnail in the "featured tiki" module :-(
and clicking simply opens a new window -- not the colorbox popup
fivealive.css has a weird character at .calbuttonBox?@a:hover,
seems ok for me ricks99 (in firefox & safari)
ok. i see the issue...
the {COLORBOX} does not accpe thte alt="foo" paramter
i removed it and now working
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27110 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: [FIX] delete rogue character in css
(pop up anyway) but still do not see title :(
i see the title in the popupl -- but it is not shown in the actual module
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27111 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Add new version for release
(and yes, I see it twice in the popup)
no alt for colorbox will break xhtml validation
can someone help with the installer, the top is weird, and I am not sure how to fix
changi is making rc!!
changi :
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in /home/demotw/3.0/5x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php on line 119
seems broken - yes, i get the same
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27112 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] oups
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27113 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] action log can't be experimental and on by default
oups
in installer, logo is a too much on the right, groupware is cut
yes changi, I don't know how to fix there
the curve needs to move to the right and push the text
changi: i think you missed a comma on line 119 of twversion.class.php
jonnyb: it's fix with my oups commit
n27112
i re-up
marclaporte, it's strenge because on the final website it's ok
shall i try and shift the logo?
yes, plz
yes i think too
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27114 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-register_site.tpl: [MOD] one more logo change
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27115 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Installer: Quick fix for logo in fivealive theme installer
changi: svn up sur dev?
marclaporte: thereis a sql script to update logo from Tiki3 to Tiki4
did you made one for TIki5 ? 
no
installer/schema/20090921_logo_tiki.sql
I am not sure we should
dev up2date
yes, but now, we have reset to default in admin panel
and users are not really supposed to keep the tiki logo for their site
I don't object but wonder if it's worth the time
ok
jonnyb: installer is good now
thx jonny
:)
we have a db difference between fresh install and upgrade
in table tiki_modules
position and ord are force to be not null on upgrade and not on fresh
is that a proble ? 
m
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27116 10/branches/5.x/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] typo
was that one of mine changi ?
don't know
just checking
hmmm - lots of hits on that table - hard to tell...
re-polom
changi: looks like those changes are in tiki_1.9to2.0.sql
css question: a:visited�@{color: #114499; text-decoration: none;}
hi luciash 
is @ something valid in the line above?  or just a rogue char?
which file marclaporte 
that one : 20100409_bigger_module_params_tiki.sql
marclaporte: now the logo on profiles.tw.o is way too low again and the first menu item on top is unreadable :-/
styles/arcturus/options/geo.css
it's because we add a index on it
marclaporte: the @ seems like an error to me
I fixed one already: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css?r1=27110&r2=27109&pathrev=27110  but I see others
oh right... but they had indexes on those cols before, so i guess tiki.sql should be changed to be the same...
the @ is only valid when pointing to media or import
you do or i do ? 
agreed - looks like charset corruption
changi: can you pls?
yes
ta
marclaporte: i only see those in geo.cs - are you fixing it? or shall i?
I will fix, but there are some in mods
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27117 10/branches/5.x/styles/arcturus/options/geo.css: [FIX] rogue characters
how to grep mods for this?
hi danielgauthier
Hello all!
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27118 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] Difference between upgrade and fresh
morning all
nice one changi 
RavenC: you up to test Tiki5 RC on Windows?
changi is packaging as we speak
sure!
marclaporte: db needs update on profiles
yes, but the message won't go away
a pity we can't have a cookie remember for closed remarksboxes
in the RC
I guess I need to use the new feature sylvieg made to ignore db updates
didn't have time to sneak it in
sadly luciash it would need several hours of creating, but i was thinking the same the other day...
can we have stripped down versions of the language files ?
like removing all untranslated strings ?
those starting with //
marclaporte: why the message won't go away ?
also i wanted to remove the temporary "Quick Admin: ..."
I think they'll disappear when packaging (extra lines in lang)
it's not styled nicely
ah, that would be cool marc
also "quick admin" breaks some pages... i forget which ones now, something to do with the mysterious ticketlib
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27119 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki-db.php: [FIX]log: log database error only when connection done(26892, 27105) +rollback 26545 (error are log now)
hahahahahha
ok, we freeze for RC?
changi: why ? just package revision you choose ? or isn't it possible with the script ?
are you packaging?
@sylvieg : yes
oh sorry
no problem
it's just to update readme copyright and etc :)
i need to fix the fivealive header for the logo still, marc's fix is not optimal
@luciash: i don't think so
@luciash: how much time do you need
 ?
thanks for making is better luci
@changi (or anyone): is it possible to generate some basic stats for 5.0? such as # of commits, # of contributors, etc?
http://stats.tikiwiki.org/branches/5.x/
changi: 10 mins
@luciash: no problem
Marc, can I trouble you to change de the-director address of: kaltura@tikiwiki.org on my side for my personal address.  I'm not receiving the emails on my side.
marclaporte: it needs to be fixed in the theme options too or just the default one fivealive.css ?
@changi: is that only for 5.0 or overall?
only 5.0
perfect. tx
you're welcome
theme options if we want all the sites to be nice
734 commits and 23 coontributs for 5.0! kudos all
more than that
that is perhaps since we branched
but trunk commits since 4.x branch must count as well
@marclaporte: am i reading the stats wrong?
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27120 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: fivealive theme: better fix to accomodate the new TWCG logo
Author Count     :     23
^^^ isn't that the number of contribuors for this release?
marc is right: it is since we branch
marclaporte: r u going to update the new favicon and buttons too ?
oh
I have to go for a meeting
if you could do, I'd appreciate
luciash: nice job
hello
how can help me with tiki mail for admin configuration?
luciash: me too :)
changi: maybe it is wise choice :)
can anyone help me?
boss2real: what's your problem ? 
@changi: is there a way to change the date range on the stat page? currently only shows march - may
ricks99: no it's based on svn commit in this folder
i activated mail for the confirmation email when register ok tiki
great work everyone!  Tiki5 rocks    Back in 7-8 hours
i made the configs but it does not work
@boss2real: by default, tiki uses php sendmail. check ur mail configs in your php.ini file
lol
easy questions are my specialty :)
ok, i go there now
thats why *YOU* are in charge of packinging -- not me :)
ricks99: lol
@changi: any way to change stat date range. i want to find out totals between 4.2 and 5.0
ah i see, it is because on profiles.tw.o there is the special top bar menu, so it needs to be shifted 24px actually from top by default, but -24px in sites using that top menu
so my mistake, sorry
 New Forum Posts: Where do I remove the "strong" tags which affect page titles? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=37175
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27121 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: fivealive theme: oops, sitelogo is dependent on topmost menu bar on or off
ricks99: no easally
oups not easally
:-(
everybody gets 1px vertical space under tabs in fivealive theme too ?
i get it in Ubuntu Chrome and Gecko browsers
i just need to have the 1 commit and the last, and i can create a quick script to count the number of contrib
i just need to know if i can adjust it
ricks99: you want to know the number of contrib since the fork in branch 5 ? 
i want to be able to say that XXX contributors created YYY commits for Tiki 5
XXX = contributors, YYY = transactions
ricks99 since when ? 
the last release 4.2
so i think that the information i gave you on the website are pretty good
because it take the first commit and the last since we branch on Tiki5
nevermind, i commit :)
luciash: sorry, yes you can
hm... ok what if i wanted to see from 4.0 - 5.0
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27122 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: [FIX] fivealive theme: better tabs position - no 1px space under them
from nov 2009 - may 2010
for that i need to make it by hand
can i put here mai mail config to give me an opinion???
ricks99: i just update the stat on the website
can i put here mai mail config to give me an opinion???
pls
boss2real: by mail at changi_at_tikiwiki.org
ricks99: i get 57 contributors
ricks99: correction only 40 contributors
boss2real: are you on Windows ? 
yes
boss2real: for this time i can help
oups can't
but why?
who can help me on windows?
ricks99: ??
ricks99...
can you help me please
y. what is issue
ricks99: it's about a php.ini config on a windows
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27123 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: [FIX] fivealive theme: some styling for db/tiki.sqlquickadmin
problem solved
i think that "Validate user's email server." has a bug
are you on a sharedserver boss2real?
many shared hosts disable dns lookup functionality
see docs for details http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Login+Config
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27124 10/branches/5.x/styles/fivealive.css: [ENH] fivealive theme: some space around icons is good
luciash: the info link desapeared behind the logo :) on profiles for eg
changi: marc's fault ;)
changi: did u update the site right now ?
on going on dev/doc
have not access to profiles
but on dev/doc it's ths logo that desapear
luciash: another thing, on doc the update item on the menu goes on a new line.( in french )
update item ?
luciash: Mise à jour in the menu
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3178 - - Multiple IE fixes for tiki-js.js and tiki-jquery.js TikiWiki V4.2 - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3178
luciash: I agree that "Pages" doesn't sound good
luciash: but I disagree that "List pages" gives more clue than "Pages" that you can create a page there.
luciash: and I don't think "List pages" gives a better idea of what is behind than "Pages"
chealer: that is why there is "Create a Wiki Page" now
chealer: and "List Pages" gives me clue there is a list of pages behind it instead of Pages giving me only a question "what pages... for what is this menu item when there is already Wiki item ?"
and it respects the environment, when there are other features having "List something" too
you would need to rebuild the whole menu from scratch to make this change a sense
luciash: "List pages" also doesn't say what pages are listed
i think "Create a Wiki Page" for fresh installs is far better than what there was before
Wiki > List Pages gives perfect sense to me
hi, can someone explain to me what is the best way to insert js at various locations? I mean: in the head, or at the top of body, or at the bottom of body.
I could manually insert in templates but was hoping for a more consistent way like the stuff in headerlib but that seems to insert only in the head?
luciash: sure, I just disagree that the possibility of page creation being non-obvious in "Pages" is an argument to have "List pages" instead.
hi nkoth
luciash: I don't think so. as I wrote, for example, Quizzes work differently, it's normal that they use List Quizzes
chealer: it was mainly rollback of the previous not that much better change to "Pages"
nkoth: there's a field to enter JavaScript. it insert it at the end.
the field inserts the JavaScript at the end.
it's just a list of pages anyway with only now new glued tab of possibility to create a wiki page, nothing more
luciash: yes, but I disagree with the rollback
I'm trying to add facebook integration stufff and the js tht comes with it is very fussy as to where it goes to
I'm trying to make this a feature
chealer: you are alone still :)
chealer: so far
:)
luciash: it *is* more. as I wrote, for admins, it's pretty much an Admin pages. it allows page creation, deletion, modification, etc.
i disagree, it has nothing to do with admin
luciash: well, I'm not really alone, Pascal St-Jean obviously agreed with the change.
other lists allow the same in Action column
but he didn't disagree with the rollback (yet)
luciash: so how are other Admin screens different from "Pages"?
and sylvie is with me so it is still 2:1 ;)
luciash: well, did you talk with Pascal?
what "Pages" ? :-p
luciash: "Pages" -> tiki-list_pages.php
admin screens you mean like Admin > Banners or Admin > Profiles ?
luciash: the similar admin screens for objects, say "Admin Quizzes", "Admin Surveys", etc.
chealer: if you argue that "Wiki" > "Pages" is better, then please change all the others to "File Galleries" > "Galleries", "Blogs" > "Blogs", "Quizzes" > "Quizzes", etc.
thank you
luciash: sorry, so how are other Admin screens different from "Pages", for admins?
luciash: as I wrote, the situation for most features is different, they have both a "plain user/list" interface and an administrative interface.
luciash: anyway, if you didn't talk with Pascal, I would assume it's 2:2
or why don't you move the "Pages" under "Admin" and name it "Admin Wiki Pages"... i don't see "most" have it... there's no Admin Blogs under Admin, etc.
only some old outdated features have the special "lists" under Admin
luciash: Admin is for global feature management, not per-object management.
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r27125 10/trunk/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [FIX] Newsletter : more fix for correct CSS and <base>
luciash: I think Blogs is broken. It has "Create/Edit Blog", but you can't edit a blog there AFAICS.
luciash: well maybe not for the list you expanded, but if you look at the "etc.", I think in general we have List and Admin pages.
chealer: ok, just talked to pascal and he told me that he would actually prefer that what i did, so... ;)
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and yes, Admin screens are different from "Pages", and you can't edit the whole Wiki there either, only the pages objects
as in any other "List *"
i really don't see a reason why this list is so special as you say
nevermind, it's getting nowhere, you can disagree on the list and if there will be more people having major disagreement with what i did, feel free to rollback but i think it's not worth of so much hassle
luciash: you talked to Pascal and what?
luciash: what do you mean? which part can't you edit?
chealer: sorry ? he said he is not against the change i made
chealer: i don't understand what you mean with the editing
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27126 10/branches/4.x/templates/edit_file_gallery.tpl: [bp/r 24242][fix] when editing file galeries, the list of possible parent galeries did not display the names of the galeries in the drop down list. (thx: gadget+misnyo)
dammit I commit in 4 not proposed
luciash: OK. I didn't understand what you meant by "he would actually prefer that what i did"
luciash: that was in reply to "and yes, Admin screens are different from "Pages", and you can't edit the whole Wiki there either, only the pages objects"
so which part of the Wiki can't be edited?
i mean like the admin part
luciash: the admin part can't be edited?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27127 10/branches/4.x/templates/edit_file_gallery.tpl: [ROLLBACK] 27126 - not the right branch
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27128 10/branches/proposals/4.x/templates/edit_file_gallery.tpl: [bp/r 24242][fix] when editing file galeries, the list of possible parent galeries did not display the names of the galeries in the drop down list. (thx: gadget+misnyo)
setting which wiki page should be default, tiles on or off, perms, structures, ... it's the same list type page as tiki-galleries.php, tiki-list_blogs.php, tiki-sheets.php or tiki-list_articles.php
chealer: nothing special or admin special for the tiki-listpages.php
luciash: all of that (except perhaps structures) is stuff you'd expect to do in the admin panel, it's the same thing for other features.
so i don't understand why it should deserve removing the "List" part from "List Pages"
yes, ok, so why you think it should confuse with different item name in the menu, when it's the same thing ?
well, whatever you reply, i don't have time to continue this valuable discussion now :) gotta do something else yet... ;) bbl
luciash: I'm not really arguing it should keep different names. it already had a different name.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27129 10/branches/5.x/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Kaltura: Numerous small fixes - better exception handling, jquery notonready settings, JS validation for remix/delete buttons & other small improvements
luciash: there's perhaps no untranslated strings, but it's IMO worst to have different names on old and new installs.
chealer: you can stay happy then, it was the same name in 4.x
iirc
luciash: yes, but upgraders will get "Pages"
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27130 10/branches/5.x/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Kaltura: More exception handling & button label text change
merge are hard now :-(
if it interest someone got error on db update while installing a 5x from scratch "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/sites/dtc/shocksite.com/subdomains/www/5.x/lib/tikilib.php  on line 5381
Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/sites/dtc/shocksite.com/subdomains/www/5.x/lib/tikilib.php on line 5381
Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/sites/dtc/shocksite.com/subdomains/www/5.x/lib/tikilib.php on line 5381"
sounds familiar yoni, i fixed something like that recently
no - it was a different one
have you flushed your cache?
i have svn a new 5.x and even done a svn update, it was 1mn ago :)
the url was new too
it's in plugin_alias_store - are you using plugin aliases?
sylvieg, did you remember the print indexed feature?
Mmm... not that i know the db is from a 5beta downloaded from tw and i don;t recall activating something like that... by default ?
I?m using 4.2 (the production site with my students), aiming to export their whole work in one single html, with legal numbering
the db is 4/6 days old
bbl school pickup
When I enable print indexed, the titles of pages get a correlative numbering (great!). 
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27131 10/trunk/ (39 files in 14 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27081 to 27130
ok, see you
^^ please check tiki-list_kaltura_entries.php templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl after this merge
anyway, I was half way the description of the issue.... I finish here for completeness...
thanks sylvieg 
subtitles of pages had numbering inside, but those numbers  didn't get the prefix of the correlative number at the page name  
whenever we want to produce a new .odt / odf out of doc.tw.o/Documentation , we would need something like this to avoid redoing the numbering in the 2000 pages by hand....
This time, I only have 100 pages with my students work, but I noticed that this part of the re-numbering either doesn't work, or it's not coded.
And the other oddity I noticed related to printing structures (in the same site with 4.2) is related to the output from trackerlist in pages when printed within a whole structure. 
I took profiles.tikiwiki.org offline for 30 min
Hi Xavi. I have a pdf (1650 Pages) which only contains the documentation content.  till some work to do with formatting etc but available and up to date
If you print the structure in a single go as a whole, trackerlist bits are empty. Instead, if you select the whole set of pages from the structure, and print them all (using the other tab from multiple print), then the content from trackerlist sections in pages is full with the content they should have
:-) hi coaboa_ , you've done hard work, then!
what did you do with the numbering?
Correlative legal Numbering of headings, I mean 
chealer: whoever put it in the upgrade script, it wasn't good idea
coaboa_: "only contains documentation" ?
what do you mean by "only"?
the numbering I hvae to ad still but thats not too bad... The index is functional and you can jump towards the content.
No haeder footer etc...
ok :-)
you can get the previous odt as template (header, footer, jump back to initial toc, etc.)
plus keyword index at the end
chealer: can it be safely deleted (the upgrade sql file) from schemas ?
luciash: it's always best to keep old and new installs as identical as possible
sure
luciash: yes, the sql file was not release yet
luciash: yes, the sql file was not released yet
okay, thanks for pointing it out
you can take a look here: http://aevermann.com/files/TikiDoc_as_of_May_12th.pdf - Still some days of additional work to go. 
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27132 10/branches/5.x/installer/schema/20100115_main_menu_wiki_listpages_name_change_tiki.sql: remove reverted unreleased change from upgrades
xavi: so question is what to do with tabed version specific content (now I only display the latest) and should i strip stub pagess?
coaboa: that's one of "THE" questions (version specific content)
and where can i get a list of page (lets say next month) of content changed between 12th of May to eg. 12.th of June 2010
ricks99 (not here right now) and me would like that users have the ability to chose which version to show at printing time (one version, or all, for instance) 
but we can't code that ourselves
coaboa: you could use the tiki calendar, and list changes (page names) by dates
of using action log...
oki
back
sylvieg, I wrote the issue above (related to print indexed and trackerlist content + correlative legal numbering inside pages)
s/of using/or using
or coaboa, maybe using Wiki rss (I think it lists changes specifically)
however, imho, the best is to produce some output at a given date, and that's it: format it as an odt document, and pdf then, for that date (before a major release, etc.)
and coaboa, about stub pages: I don't have "the" answer, but I would suggest to keep them as they are, so that the reader realizes that the documentation is not finished, and he/she can contribute to those pages also if he/she knows about that feature, etc
but of course, personal opinion
odt don't work. OO Crashed while importing. So I set it up as HTML single pages and converted them to pdf using InDesign
mmm, interesting.... 
oh, I see, Adobe InDesign..
I wish there was some free software tool to do the job...
Unfortunetaly I had to use it as scribus does not import multipage pdf conviniently
mmmm, I see. A pity OOo crasehs so much with real documents (200 pages or so)
yes. it not that common to work in that scale
hmm, flushing cache takes weirdly long now :-/
tiki5 indigestion ?
xavi: whjat do you mean ? if you have a structure 1.a 1.1a 2.b you do not have 1.1 in the print?
sylvieg, mmm. If you have page 1, with several numbered headings inside (from 1 to 5), and page 2, with several numbered headings inside (from 1 to 5).... I expected the print indexed to produce 1.1, 1.2. 1.3, 1.4. 1.5, and 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4. 2.5. 
Does it make sense for you?
and the print indexed doesn't work at all (it seems) when you select pages from structure (2nd tab), instead of whole structure (1st tab) at multiple print.
in Tiki4.2 at least
the code to re-number is not in'
ok
coaboa, nice, and you updated the Tiki5 page recently! :-) (and 24Mb+ already!) 
What I see so far with something like this (without legal numbering in headings) is what I felt in 2007 when I did the former document: without the legal numbering throught the whole pdf, you get lost very quickly and you don't know what you are reading.... after passing a few tens of pages...
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27133 10/branches/5.x/lang/cs/language.php: czech language: some more translated
that's why correlative legal numbering is so important, imho, even if might be ugly to see so many numbers in all headings
yes. I'm on that. Will take some days as I only can use spare time ;-) Will spend a cover etc too...
we need some clear structure for such a huge handbook, and some easy way to navigate back and forward
brave guy, taking such a task... 
maketoc works only for non mumber headers :-(
I still remember those days of "go, turtle go"
sylvieg: does it?
no only for ! not #
I'll have pdf bookmarks with page titles (chapters & Numbers to come) for navigating too. After adding the Keywords it should "navigable" enough
sylvieg, maketoc works for ! and !# type of headings: http://iesbarcelona.org/esso350/tiki-index.php?page=Coffee+Community+Project&structure=2010a+Spring+Actions 
and toc also: http://iesbarcelona.org/esso350/2010%20Spring
coaboa, great!
do we remove or keep "Development Notice" in admin pages before release ?
luciash, there is a setting for that, isn't it? Then I would say to disable the box
sylvieg: i found problem with trackerlist &tr_user param in URL, it used to display the value in page when reffered as {$tr_user} in template but now returns "Array" instead... any idea what changed ?
xavi: i am not sure where
I've seen it somewhere...
sylvieg: also when i have trackerlist and tracker plugin on the same page now no matter if i have param view=user or not, it displays last submitted tracker item in the form then and changing it changes the item in the trackerlist instead of adding a new one... any idea what is necessary now to put as param in the tracker plugin ?
xavi: :)
xavi: trackerlist in multi print is ok for me
xavi: it's that "This search feature and the perspectives GUI need http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Dynamic+Preferences. If you search for something and it's not appearing, please help improve keywords/descriptions. " for fresh install it is still there
luci: yes, I think so
sylvieg: there are two way of printing  a structure from tiki-print_pages.php
(1) tiki-print_pages.php#content1 : print whole structure. doesn't include trackerlist to me in 4.2 ( http://iesbarcelona.org/esso350/tiki-print_pages.php#content1 )
(2) tiki-print_pages.php#content2 : select individual pages or in sets (they can also be all pages from  a structure): this way the trackerlist content gests included to me in 4.2 ( http://iesbarcelona.org/esso350/tiki-print_pages.php#content2 )
and legal numbering for page titles works in (1) but not in (2) to me
unless I did something wring at some point...
(2) is normal there is no numbering
s/wring/wrong
(2) Yes, I didn't expect it there either, but since it was the only way for me to get the trackerlist content.... I throught, "maybe I'm wrong and I get the numbering there too" :-)
there is a problem somewhere else
ok
which structure ion ies
"2010a Spring Actions"
perhaps it is a perm problem
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27134 10/branches/5.x/tiki-list_kaltura_entries.php: [FIX] Kaltura: Use the for loop var (you were right sept7)
xavi - if you can send me a ies database I can not reproduce
ok, I will, thanks
that will help whenever we want to make further html's out of doc.tw.o/Documentation in the future
mmm, I can sponsor some money from my pocket, you know, sylvieg, for the brave coder who takes the initiative to make this rewrite to fit in memory... 
I guess that if others can sponsor some other amount of money, we could even pay a portion for the professional time invested in such rewrite
xavi: Soory I did not get the connection esso =ies
?
"connection"?
I did not remember esso is the name of the database
ah, yes :-)
Anyway, the new db dump is already sent
xavi: I found out the trackerlist problem
your trackerlists have a filter on {{page}} but in print_structure {{page}} is not valued 
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27135 10/branches/5.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]muti print: must setup option page too for TRACKERLIST(filter={{page}})
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27136 10/branches/proposals/4.x/tiki-print_multi_pages.php: [bp/r 27135][FIX]muti print: must setup option page too for TRACKERLIST(filter={{page}})
ok, well done, sylvieg!
g'night
gn
Did we stop to support phplayers in 5?
the javascript is not loaded..
oops sorry javascript are here
I hope we nuke it for 6
let's ripi it out of trunk and see where people scream :-)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27137 10/branches/5.x/ (db/tiki-db-pdo.php templates/database-connection-error.tpl): [FIX]forgotten file for 27107
sorry guys seems it is a style pb - with default css plm works fine
info.tw.o down?
WSOD
oh
tks, will check now