#tikiwiki 2010-06-07,Mon

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RyanS	tiki 4.2: what is the navigation drop down button menu (next to the search field) referred to as? I somehow disabled mine, and can't remember where that setting is in admin	[04:08]
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xavi1	polom tw.o down	[10:14]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.	[10:14]
luciash	moloq	[10:14]
xavi1	hi luciash did you know that tw.o is down? so that intertiki is down, etc. Tiki is unable to connect to the database ^that's error message in tw.o	[10:14]
luciash	nope i was working with profiles.tw.o only so far today and it was fine half an hour ago or so	[10:15]
xavi1	yes, same as me, but now I can't login to profiles.tw.o because it needs intertiki	[10:16]
Ma	Any news about tiki5 release?	[10:16]
luciash	xavi1: i keep still logged in thanks to remember me ;) Ma: sorry, i was afk during the weekend so i don't know	[10:16]
xavi1	lucky you :-) (I'm on another computer, another place of the city,e tc.)	[10:17]
luciash	xavi1: i think i somehow fixed the r_test profile installation	[10:17]
xavi1	Ma: no idea. there seems to be some problems still with charsets when upgrading from some tiki 4.x sites, afaik did you?	[10:18]
luciash	you can test	[10:18]
xavi1	I saw your change in type: wiki (in pretty tracker demo) for type: wiki_page but that change is not done yet in are_test profile, afaik plus the instructions page syntax or reference is wrong it seems	[10:18]
luciash	yep, that change was probably wrong	[10:19]
Ma	xavi1: luciash I see.. When would that be fixed you think?	[10:19]
xavi1	Ma: unpredictable, sorry (at least for me)	[10:19]
Ma	okok	[10:20]
xavi1	luciash: ok testing r_test "as is"	[10:20]
luciash	xavi1: i test it too, still says circular refference, but installs at least	[10:20]
xavi1	luciash: however, r_testx pages have no content	[10:21]
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xavi1	whereas there is some content in profiles.tw.o for those pages...	[10:21]
luciash	aah, it seems the refference is wrong, you name them differently like r_test3_template01	[10:22]
freud__	hi all	[10:22]
xavi1	I did ping lph yesterday for that "circular reference"... I hope he can have a look at it	[10:22]
luciash	id: r_test3_template01 is in the YAML	[10:22]
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luciash	hmm so nope, that seems correct	[10:22]
xavi1	hi freud_	[10:23]
freud__	i'm trying to display <stx> in an article, but it disappears...any ideas? Guessing it's within PHP itself it gets confused for an actual command....	[10:23]
luciash	xavi1: still, the perms were not assigned to the wiki page object... it works for me with categories xavi1: i didn't try with direct object perms	[10:23]
xavi1	ok	[10:24]
luciash	freud__: use ~np~<stx>~/np~ freud__: means "no parsing"	[10:24]
freud__	luciash: i tried that...doesn't help...	[10:25]
luciash	freud__: and uncheck "Use HTML" under the article	[10:25]
xavi1	luciash: could you please change for me this bit in the r_test page?: "instructions: Profile_r_test1_page " for "instructions: r_test1"	[10:25]
luciash	freud__: or you can try >stx<	[10:26]
xavi1	freud_: did you try with the html entity for "<" ?	[10:26]
luciash	xavi1: sure	[10:26]
freud__	xavi1: ???	[10:26]
luciash	xavi1: that is probably also wrong reference	[10:26]
xavi1	freud_: try latest tip from luciash (he knows much better than me this html world :-) ) luciash: I doubt it... I workled for me a few moths ago with that type of reference	[10:27]
freud__	Yup, just wrong way aroud ;) it looks like >stx< awesome thanks	[10:27]
xavi1	and for some reason, I made some changes... and it stopped working (it stopped loading the instructions page after installation)	[10:27]
luciash	freud__: sorry, quick thought ;)	[10:28]
xavi1	but you got the idea, freud_	[10:28]
freud__	dang it still dissapears...	[10:28]
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luciash	xavi1: done freud__: wut ? weird	[10:29]
xavi1	luciash: thanks.... xavi1 testing	[10:29]
freud__	luciash: where to change the html thing? I'm guessing i've had it enabled/dissabled or whatever in settings somewhere...	[10:30]
luciash	is it Article feature or Wiki feature ? freud__: try Admin > Wiki or Admin > Articles gotta go dogwalk time, bbl	[10:30]
freud__	wiki...and the >stx< works, but only with noparse around it... tw.o still says it's down...	[10:32]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.	[10:35]
freud__	if you go to tw.o and press community it goes to a fail page, database connection error	[10:36]
xavi1	email sent to TAG and noc@tw.o (about tw.o being down)	[10:37]
freud__	xavi1: i think i spoke to you a couple months ago about doubling of content when inserting images in wiki pages....I finally took the leap to linux, now i can't get sefurls to work...any way to tell if .htaccess is in effect? the doubling thing went away tho :)	[10:38]
xavi1	"doubling": still around in some weird cases (when using some hidden headings like !!- !!!- and wysiwyg on, it seems). I added a bug report recently abot it freud_: did you run: cp _htaccess .htaccess ? or check if .htaccess is present already? and you can also check at tiki-phpinfo.php if the apache mod for rewrite is enabled hth	[10:40]
freud__	I did that, i'm just not sure if I changed the right line in httpd.conf, and to the right string...	[10:41]
xavi1	ah, so it's your own server?	[10:41]
freud__	yup	[10:42]
xavi1	google for "enable rewrite rules" for your distro or "apache enable rewrite"	[10:42]
freud__	it's pretty well explained in doc.tw.o i'll just fiddle some more...is it natural for a wiki page name containing "/" returning 404 with rewrite enabled?	[10:45]
xavi1	it might be. no idea myself. try with some page name without that if you use a recent opensuse or suse, mod rewrite is not enabled by default, and I wonder if that is explained in doc.tw.o... there are so many distro's... and changes between distro versions...	[10:46]
freud__	suse? googled it, i'm using ubuntu, and xampp(lampp)	[10:49]
luciash	in ubuntu search for a package mod-rewrite or something to install	[10:52]
xavi1	freud_: search for xampp or lampp if you didn't install packages from repos and if you did from repos, then search for that for ubuntu... I recall that recent ubuntus (9.10 and/or 10.04) disabled mod rewrite by deafult	[10:54]
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chibaguy	polom	[11:04]
xavi1	hi chibaguy	[11:05]
chibaguy	hi xavi1	[11:07]
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luciash	xavi1: yay ! → "Modified permission tiki_p_use_as_template on wiki page/r_test3_template01 for Registered" after applying the r_test profile	[11:17]
xavi1	woohoo, you got it, then :-)	[11:18]
luciash	yup, still there's some issue with circilar reference remaining, dunno which one it could be ah, might be the last module in the Menu after approving it says: "Unable to determine which field to show. Tracker identifier may be invalid, or the tracker has no main field and neither Field identifier nor Field name were set.No records to display"	[11:18]
xavi1	or the a page name which is wrog wrong	[11:21]
chibaguy	Hmm, I'm getting Fatal error: Undefined class constant 'MYSQL_ATTR_INIT_COMMAND' in tiki-installer.php again. I thought that was fixed. (trying to install with current branch 5)	[11:21]
xavi1	chibaguy: are you using php 5.3.0?	[11:22]
luciash	chibaguy: chealer said it is PHP 5.3.0	[11:22]
xavi1	I read somewhere that it's due to a known bug in 5.3.0	[11:22]
luciash	g	[11:22]
xavi1	thus, use 5.2.9 or 5.3.1, etc.	[11:22]
chibaguy	hm, ok.	[11:22]
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ricks99	@chibaguy: known issue. see release notes	[11:25]
luciash	xavi1: hmm, it seems not to be the culprit (the last items module), rather it seems it is buggy itself {MODULE(module="last_tracker_items")}{MODULE} looks correct, still it shows the error message	[11:26]
xavi1	mmmm luciash: at least, I detected one error (from me), and one potential source of trouble	[11:27]
luciash	xavi1: good :)	[11:27]
xavi1	error: where it says "content: wikicontent:Profile_r_test1_page" it should say: "content: wikicontent:Profile_r_test1"	[11:28]
luciash	right	[11:28]
xavi1	and potential source of trouble: two descriptions of wiki pages are equal	[11:28]
luciash	hmm, non-unique description shouldn't be a problem	[11:29]
xavi1	"Interface to send datasets" shouldn't, imho, also, but who knows....	[11:29]
luciash	i will fix the error	[11:29]
xavi1	thks (tw.o is still down)	[11:29]
luciash	fixed	[11:33]
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luciash	bbl	[11:42]
chibaguy	cool, after downloading and installing the php update, wampserver2 has menu options to switch between php 5.3.0 and 5.3.1.	[11:44]
xavi1	:-)	[11:45]
ricks99	@chibaguy: yes, same with mysql. & apahce. can have multiple version and select which to use	[11:45]
chibaguy	could be handy, I guess.	[11:46]
ricks99	ricks99 assumes that everyone already realizes that tikiwiki.org is dow?	[11:46]
chibaguy	looks like the logo is too high in a fresh install, because it depends on the top menu being active to get its top margin. should be fixed somehow.	[11:47]
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xavi1	ricks99: see http://irc.tikiwiki.org - maybe not everybody but somebody (and reported in this channel some minutes ago) i.e. not everybody following this irc chat, and email might not be read yet	[11:53]
ricks99	k. isnt there a "status" irc channel, too?	[11:54]
luciash	chibaguy: maybe something like class="{if $prefs.topmenuorhowitiscalled}margintop {/if}sitelogo"	[11:56]
chibaguy	sounds right, luciash. ricks99: #tikinoc	[11:57]
luciash	or #tikimonitor or something iirc	[11:58]
ricks99	tikinoc. tx luciash btw, can some tell me what "noc" is an abbreviation for? tx chibaguy :-)	[12:02]
chibaguy	no idea. maybe it's french. ;-)	[12:02]
ricks99	just reported it... we'll see what happens ricks99 thinks that it is odd that all messages from tw.o come from "noc@tikiwiki.org"	[12:03]
chibaguy	I guess there's some reason for that, but it isn't known, it seems.	[12:05]
xavi1	network operations and communication [team], maybe?	[12:07]
chibaguy	yeah, that's probably it. :-)	[12:07]
luciash	noc means night in czech :-p	[12:07]
xavi1	we need solutions the old way, probably: "red line" to cell phone from ohertel .... :-)	[12:08]
ricks99	lol	[12:08]
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chibaguy	luciach, the "server is down" messages are probably like a knock on the door at night for changi. ;-)	[12:10]
luciash	:)	[12:12]
sylvieg	tw.org is no more hosted by ohertel? sylvieg has no more login on tikiwiki.org	[12:14]
luciash	sylvieg: until now it was, afaik	[12:16]
chibaguy	sylvieg: are you getting the "unable to connect to db" message at tw.o?	[12:20]
sylvieg	yes I suppose mysqld is down..	[12:20]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27513 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/r/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_r.php: [ENH]Allow setting security level through param security as plugin argument. However, security param > 1 doesn't produce security checking, yet..	[12:23]
xavi1	g'morning, sylvieg bbl	[12:26]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27514 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX]fix 27507	[12:26]
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fabricius	Hello I have seen a problem with some of the tikiwiki.org pages	[12:29]
ricks99	@fabriclus: thanks. this has been reported	[12:31]
chibaguy	just some? ;-)	[12:31]
fabricius	I can open info, doc and com* with firefox and safari, while dev* and themes* I can only acces with safari, but NOT with firefox ah ok, already reported	[12:31]
ricks99	hmm... i can caccess dev.tw.o on FF no issues	[12:32]
fabricius	yes, told mose some day before (IM) and marc yesterday	[12:32]
chibaguy	I can access themes ok with opera.	[12:32]
ricks99	community site (tikiwiki.org/home) is currently down	[12:32]
fabricius	I do not know exactly where the prob would be -> prob with my personal FF settings, or of the version or the server	[12:33]
chibaguy	Seems like the sites should be either up or down without regard to the browser.	[12:33]
fabricius	So anyway, I would be prepared too cooperate to find out ok, community seems to be off at all, right	[12:33]
chibaguy	I can get themes.tikiwiki.org ok with firefox.	[12:35]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03idou * r27515 10/branches/experimental/coe_filegal_manager/lib/filegals/file_gallery.js: Workaround to make it the insertion image work, though not the most pretty one. Tested in Firefox, IE and Safari	[12:38]
fabricius	I get this message:	[12:38]
chibaguy	fabricius: is that error at the home page of themes.tikiwiki.org?	[12:40]
fabricius	yes!	[12:40]
chibaguy	Maybe it's a matter of timing, but I don't get the error.	[12:41]
fabricius	and dev is similar -> line 203 I have those problems since a couple of days	[12:41]
chibaguy	Interesting, both sites load fine for me. Why don't you try clearing your browser's cache?	[12:42]
fabricius	it´s odd, because with my firefox I only get such messages, when I didn´t finishe an installation right or such and others seem not to have this problem with firefox at all	[12:42]
	anybody used to installing 4.2 on a virtual webspace?	[12:47]
	chibaguy: realised another prob with themes.tikiwiki.org	[12:53]
chibaguy	ok	[12:54]
fabricius	chibaguy: once I am there with safari, I flip the menuitems of the top-bar, the page is reloading straightaway chibaguy: I would hav to be very quick, to get a subitem clicked chibaguy: if I am, them page changes, if I am too slow, page just reloads	[12:54]
chibaguy	I'll check. Is that safari on mac or windows?	[12:55]
fabricius	on windows xp	[12:55]
chibaguy	ok	[12:55]
fabricius	mom I´ll look for the safari version safari 4.0.5 firefo was 3.5.5 x	[12:56]
chibaguy	the menu works normally for me, with same safari version. Are you waiting for the page to fully load (the menu js is the last thing to load)? sometimes I'm impatient and try to use the menu before the javascript is there for it.	[12:58]
fabricius	Thought I would have waited for a while - asking a different question here now the prom seem to be gone what I realised on tikiwiki pages s long loading times sometimes awful long different installation on different servers but I have seen several items in the documantation, that i will check first but is this a general problem, or usually solved, once the systemadministrator gets into it?	[13:00]
chibaguy	yeah, a lot depends on the configuration.	[13:04]
fabricius	I got into some kind of huge problems, as I am quite a noob in IT generally ... just started a short while ago. But now got responsible for an ambitious project of a NGO that has literally no money so my questions to the community turn out somehow to be a bit complex and to concern fundamental concepts, like to do this and that better with workspaces or with multitiki and it turned out, that I have some difficulties to put all that what I want into some few word So I started to try it with some grafical expression - svg and will oin that on my webpage to refer to it, when I come back with my questions to the chat or a mailing list	[13:10]
chibaguy	ok	[13:16]
fabricius	good idea? do not know if this is a usual way to go further in the community	[13:16]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27516 10/branches/5.x/lib/profilelib/profilelib.php: [ENH] Improved reporting for profile circular references. Indicate the references involved to help troubleshooting.	[13:17]
fabricius	I am missing some sort of documentation to get the concepts sorted first documentation seems to me like a growing djungle	[13:17]
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fabricius	and I´d say with some help, I could write some of that down ... I would see it like dogfeeding myself from both project	[13:19]
ricks99	@fabricius: <shameless plug> try the begnner's guide: http://twbasics.keycontent.org </shameless plug>	[13:19]
fabricius	ricks99: thxs a lot ah tiki for smarties ;-) already know that good guide, but same problem I brought the Tikiwiki in to get the right software to match everything what we need in the NGO and getting some people together who are prpared to share the development of the website(s) some even are IT profs or semiprofs but nobody knows Tikiwiki So I have to learn it very quick	[13:19]
chibaguy	well, workspaces is a new addition, so nobody really knows how to use it yet, as far as I know.	[13:23]
luciash	they just have to play with it and they will learn	[13:23]
fabricius	I know, and I got quite far in a short time ... with tikiwiki and all around	[13:24]
chibaguy	(tikiwiki.org is back up; ohertel posted on the dev list)	[13:25]
fabricius	learned some HTML last december, had to adjust a javacript some weeks ago, without ever having seen such stuff before and so on chibaguy: thx at the moment I am a bit stuck, because I have to do some fundamental decitions and could not yet phrase the right questions	[13:25]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27517 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_transclude.php: [FIX] Refactor. No need for special case handling for the body argument.	[13:31]
fabricius	anyway, I go ahead setting up my proj	[13:34]
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fabricius	project page up and running, to be able to show my quesions more understandable. thxs for all advise so far so anybody here who has some experience of a manual installation of Tiki 4.x on a virtual server (hosting account)	[13:41]
chibaguy	sorry, not me	[13:46]
ricks99	sorry. im not sure what "virtual server" is :(	[13:46]
luciash	fabricius: you mean VPS or shared hosting ?	[13:47]
fabricius	luciash: shared hosting already uploaded and unzipped	[13:52]
luciash	FTP ?	[13:56]
fabricius	will copy the local php into db-folder now er, yes, had to do so, because on this virtual hosting server there is no SSH on the managed one I have, but this site I´ll install on our virtual project server there I can grant sysadmin access to a larger group, of only workgroups own datas no memberfiles or such here so FTP access I have and everything is prepared (subdomain, database, local.php - just to bring it in place in a minute) question would be, if local.php and .htaccess would be all to do	[13:57]
ricks99	@faricius: just run tiki-install.php	[14:00]
fabricius	Tiki Installer cannot proceed some files or folders not writeable	[14:11]
ricks99	did u cmod the necessary directories?	[14:11]
fabricius	ricks99: seems that i need to give 777 somewhere? no, I did not I´ll see in the providers doc, where to do without shell mom	[14:12]
ricks99	pls see http://bit.ly/8YOacK for details	[14:13]
fabricius	ah, no, I just call their support and ask - we pay anyway ... ricks99 and I´ll check your link aswell ;-) thx	[14:14]
luciash	so yes, we have experience, what's the problem you struggle ? did you read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Install+by+FTP ?	[14:14]
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franck	xavi: I understand you are in Barcelona? I'm here till Friday	[14:16]
xavi	???	[14:16]
franck	xavi: marclaporte suggested we meet, if you are in Barcelona	[14:17]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27518 10/branches/5.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [bp/r 27257 27254][NEW]CATEGORY: parameter showlinks parameter categoryshowlink (for Sebastien)	[14:17]
xavi	yes, I am. Do we know each other? xavi confused I'm fine to meet, just curious franck = franck martin?	[14:17]
franck	not sure we met before, came to a tikifest in Strasbourg a few years ago	[14:18]
xavi	oh well, I was not there	[14:18]
luciash	xavi: franck was more active here in IRC in the past ;) he manages the monitoring of tiki servers if i am not mistaken	[14:18]
franck	luciash: correct	[14:18]
luciash	:)	[14:18]
xavi	franck: and are you the guy behind maps.tw.o ??? xavi still confused	[14:18]
luciash	:)	[14:18]
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franck	I did the code for maps	[14:19]
xavi	ah, ok... then I am a fan of you :-)	[14:19]
franck	but I have not touched it in a year or two cool ;)	[14:19]
xavi	I wanted to learn how to install and use mapserver a while ago, but didn't spend too much time	[14:20]
franck	we can chat	[14:20]
xavi	since I saw that GIS data is not easy to convert to mapserver, from the file formats our government use for Catalonia,e tc.	[14:20]
franck	I'm at a conf this week and leave on Friday morning	[14:20]
xavi	ahhhh, that conference... I tried to join the workshop on mapserver, many months ago, but it was full already	[14:21]
franck	not that one...	[14:21]
xavi	ah, ok	[14:22]
franck	The conf is at the hilton, centre diagonal and I stay near by	[14:22]
xavi	xavi checks the place	[14:22]
franck	xavi: http://www.maawg.org/events/upcoming_meetings tonight is a bit free and thursday evening is free for me	[14:23]
xavi	nice place, near the beach	[14:28]
franck	where are you?	[14:28]
xavi	however, even if they may call it "centre diagonal", is not at the centre, and is not the "Hilton" in diagonal street I live in the other end of the city like 8 km away but I'll see...	[14:28]
franck	if there is a subway...	[14:29]
xavi	xavi cheking maps	[14:29]
franck	the subway here is el forum	[14:30]
xavi	do you want to see the city centre? or some place near the center? or are you pretty busy with your conference in that place? I might manage to get there.... I'm still in "student grading" mode, and I can take my students homework to review in the laptop... and go there regardless of the time I take... I don't know if today... (should change something), or thursday evening	[14:32]
fabricius	ricks99: luciash: solved went through with provider support and used add handler - cgi mode instead of chmod 777 he said it would be easier and more secure er, who defines, if a host would be tikifriendly or not? and what would be the criterias?	[14:35]
luciash	if tiki works nicely on it and the support is friendly, it is tiki friendly	[14:40]
franck	xavi: sorry, I was following a workshop	[14:40]
fabricius	luciash: I have tiki 3 running on an unfriendly host and the support was very helpful to get it running	[14:41]
franck	I'm pretty busy with the conf, but thursday I'm free at 4pm we could have a coffee or something	[14:41]
fabricius	luciash: I will check 4.2 with that provider the next day aswell and if I get in contact with the tiki development crew, I will sort that out aswell	[14:42]
franck	I think I can go to City Centre	[14:42]
fabricius	luciash: I am pretty sure, that they will public the workaround in their HowTos/FAQs, as they have been very thankful that I did write a HowTo in the customers forum	[14:43]
xavi	ok. thursday afternoon I have to be in an exam at 15:30h in another city, but I might be in the Barcelona city centre around 18:30h franck ^	[14:44]
luciash	fabricius: sounds nice	[14:44]
franck	xavi: sounds ok	[14:44]
fabricius	luciash: So when I did check the different version with them, I would like to have them listed not as tikiunfriendly anymore luciash: to whom I should get in contact for that in the tiki community?	[14:44]
luciash	ah, is it listed as tiki "unfriendly" now ?	[14:45]
fabricius	luciash: yes it is	[14:45]
luciash	fabricius: to nobody, you can change it yourself, it's a wiki ;)	[14:45]
chibaguy	g'night all	[14:46]
fabricius	but before switching to friendly, I will do some checks of different versions and I hope, they will give me some access to virtual accounts, to check it there aswell chibaguy: good night ;-)	[14:46]
xavi	g'night chibaguy	[14:46]
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fabricius	xavi: I think about coming to the tikifest in barcelona with my girlfriend - where i could stay over night, anything planned, or kind of more or less affordable hostels around?	[14:48]
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fabricius	another question: I did setup a Tiki 4 now, but in themes.tikiwiki.org I mostlikely find only themes for Tiki 3 - am I right, or did themes not change from 3 to 4, or am I just kind of blind?	[15:08]
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Kimberlee	hello all.	[15:26]
marclaporte	hi!	[15:28]
Jyhem	Hello Do we have a way of sending blog titles to twitter automatically ?	[15:28]
pascalstjean	Jyhem: no there is not Twitter integration. Tiki does have ShareThis feature but this is only to allow users to share Blog Posts	[15:30]
Jyhem	Or is the official way "activate RSS and feed the RSS to twitterfeed.com" ?	[15:30]
marclaporte	someone added Shoutbox to Twitter in trunk	[15:30]
pascalstjean	Jyhem: that would be a very simple way of dong it yes. TwitterFeed would do the trick	[15:31]
Jyhem	Oh. I was just checking. TwitterFeed seems to do the trick, but it's just yet another account to create somewhere else. So I wanted to be sure I know everything about the ShareThis feature, Pascal. Thanks for mentioning it :-)	[15:32]
pascalstjean	Jyhem: If you are looking at minimizing your Accounts then a Twitter integration is not that difficult to do. Their API is fairly strait forward	[15:34]
franck	marclaporte: note there are other services that use the same API as twitter	[15:40]
Jyhem	pascalstjean: so we could make twitter a blog feature like sharethis... Hmmm... I see where they say the API is easy, but it seems everything is javascript-based. Can the twitter credentials really be read with "view source" ? Strange.	[15:51]
xavi	back	[15:52]
Jyhem	Never mind. I don't have plans for that now. I need to assess clients' actual needs first Hi Xavi :-)	[15:52]
xavi	hi Jyhem :-) fabricius: themes for tiki4: if they are not available in theme.tw.o (I don't know), for sure you can get them from mods.tw.o or from svn mods, at least	[15:54]
fabricius	svn: what´s the correct adress? svn.mods.tw.o?	[15:56]
xavi	fabricius: see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Get+code search for mods there	[15:57]
fabricius	thx	[15:58]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27521 10/trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] API to query shipping costs from providers. Currently, only FedEx is supported. API accessible from PHP and JavaScript (AJAX over JSON)	[16:02]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27522 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-payment.tpl: [ENH] Admin panel for shipping options	[16:12]
marclaporte	FedEx (!)	[16:15]
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luciash	marclaporte: ?	[16:25]
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luciash	FedEx is going to use Tiki ? :)	[16:25]
marclaporte	LOL	[16:26]
luciash	ah, the previous commit :) would be great reference though ;)	[16:26]
ricks99	Their new motto: "When it positively , absolutely might need to get there sometime" ;-)	[16:28]
	Q: is it possible to have a user account that does not belong to Registered group? Using 3.5 LTS?	[16:33]
luciash	ricks99: nope registered is always registered	[16:33]
ricks99	with the "payment" stuff in 5.x, is it possible to sell access to specific page?	[16:34]
luciash	hmm, that is interesting qustion question	[16:34]
ricks99	my use case is: have a tiki site (3.5).... they want to make some pages available to anonymous users who pay a fee would it make any difference if it were a file gallery or wiki pages? but these "paying" anonymous visitors should not have access to all the items for regular (registered) users does that make sesn? *sense	[16:35]
luciash	yes	[16:37]
ricks99	ricks99 thought he saw something about a "tiki subscription" tied to the payment stuff	[16:38]
luciash	you will need to create special Group for them though (for the current regular Registered)	[16:38]
ricks99	i guess that is not what it does :( yeah, i thought of that. then move all of the current "registerd" users to the new "registered+" group	[16:38]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27523 10/branches/5.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: [DOC] Add a warning and a description	[16:40]
marclaporte	I hope changi is in a good shape	[16:40]
ricks99	but that seems very... "messy"	[16:40]
xavi	marclaporte: are you good at debugging profiles where your get the message "circular reference" ? s/your/you I?m stuck with http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/r_test	[16:41]
luciash	xavi: lph just commited something to better debug of it it should tell you where the problem is now xavi: try svn up	[16:42]
xavi	ah, great! did I say that I emailed lph yesterday for this? glad he could look at it :-)	[16:42]
luciash	xavi: yep	[16:43]
xavi	luci: and isntructions page: it works nowadays: I had an extra space in front of the "instructions definition". :-) you can do that with the 2Company Directory" for the pretty_tracker_demo :-) "Company Directory", I mean	[16:43]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27524 10/trunk/lib/prefs/shipping.php: [ENH] Adding documentation links	[16:44]
luciash	xavi: ah, nice reveal	[16:44]
xavi	well, you or pascalstjean :-) or me (it's a wiki page :-) )	[16:45]
luciash	or anybody :)	[16:45]
xavi	yes, sure	[16:45]
ricks99	@marclaporte: made a slight change to the calendar module to better (IMHO) highlight tikifests	[16:46]
marclaporte	where is TikiFest New York?	[16:47]
ricks99	manhattan i thought somehwere in nyc	[16:48]
xavi	xavi wishes rss from tiki calendars showed the date again, as in tiki 3.x days... :-/	[16:49]
marclaporte	I mean: how come TikiFest New York is not on front page of info.tw.o?	[16:51]
ricks99	d'oh	[16:51]
fabricius	have to go now	[16:51]
ricks99	only shows the next 3 upcoming	[16:51]
fabricius	bye @all	[16:51]
ricks99	othersiwe list is too long (my $0.02) but the Show all tikifiests link shows all tikifests for the full year	[16:51]
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xavi	luciash: tried with svn up, but now it says a circular reference from some ref which is used only once... "r_test2_page" mmm, I wonder where is the problem... I'll check all the other pages used in the profile, just in case.	[16:56]
luciash	xavi: yep, have to check that and make sure you don't reference in the profile when the page is not created by the profile yet better to reference wiki pages by their final created name than reference id imho	[16:57]
xavi	luciash: I mean, I'm not calling that page at all that name is shown only when creating the page	[16:58]
luciash	oh	[16:58]
xavi	http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/r_test yes, to me that profiles are making confusion with pages that only differ in a number, but all the other characters are equal	[16:58]
	ok, I think I got where the error might be... with r_test... "triki" language s/triki/tricky tiki for profiles	[17:08]
luciash	:)	[17:11]
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xavi	nice! r_test officially working again :-) thanks luciash for all your information and feedback!	[17:22]
luciash	cool	[17:23]
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xavi	it's been mainly thanks to the nice and simple profile example: Pretty_Tracker_Demo , thanks to pascalstjean argh, too late (he's off)	[17:32]
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xavi	btw, renamed the item in the tw.o menu "Support forums" with "Forums & Lists" ("Support forums & lists" seemed to be too long for some reason, and two letters are the end were not shown) ricks99 luciash marclaporte ... ^ fabricius reported that he didn't know about those lists, because he never saw any link any where.... => so it wasn't easy enough for neww users to find out about tikiwiki-users list, and/or tikiwki-devel list	[17:39]
ricks99	maybe just "Support"?	[17:41]
xavi	I wish we could say: "look for "lists" in tw.o homepage	[17:41]
ricks99	fwiw, links at footer inlude: forums, email lists, etc.	[17:41]
xavi	if it's hidden in some menu, it's not that easy for newbies... too many links ...	[17:42]
marclaporte	and easier link to "my preferences" and "create my wiki page" would be nice	[17:42]
ricks99	personally, i'd look for "support" before "forum" or "list"	[17:42]
xavi	ricks99: ok, you are right, it's there in the footer area.... so I presume we can leave "support" on top, and also say to users: see link for tw lists in the footer +1	[17:43]
ricks99	@xavi: and if u want, can get rid of the "all" -- just have "Forums" and "Mailing Lists" ricks99 wonders what a "web" forum is?	[17:43]
xavi	ok, renamed to support I had that menu open already to me , all doesn't disturb "all", I mean ok, back to other real work time flies...	[17:44]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27525 10/branches/5.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] date_format: catch exception from malformed timestamps	[17:47]
xavi	bbl	[17:47]
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xavi	sylvieg around ?	[17:59]
sylvieg	yes	[17:59]
xavi	hi I tried this: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Pretty+Tracker#Pretty_tracker_with_wiki_plugins I mean, the syntax with smarty... but it doesn't work for me you can test yourself, installing profile r_test anc cheking the page r_test3 that you will see in the menu on the right column	[17:59]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27526 10/branches/5.x/lib/modules/modlib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Module params: strstr parameters should be $haystack, $needle, not the other way around. tikiwiki: Also changed it for "the faster and less memory intensive function strpos()" as recommended.	[18:00]
luciash	with the tracker page type is it possible to auto-create wiki page of the same name as the field but add a description too ?	[18:00]
xavi	bbl (short shoping before it's too late)	[18:01]
sylvieg	I do not know xabi - working for me luciash: I do not think so if nobody else added it	[18:01]
luciash	i'd need to auto create wiki pages with names like foo-bar-went-to-bla-bla-id42 but description like "Foo Bar went to Bla Bla" for browser title sylvieg: i c, np, ok	[18:03]
changi	changi starting final release process	[18:13]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27527 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [ENH]tracker: funciton to copy an item over another one	[18:14]
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luciash	"Preparing RC2" ? :)	[18:35]
changi	luciash: Damned Ctrl-R :) changi 5.0 is coming	[18:37]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27530 10/branches/5.x/lang/ (44 files in 44 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 5.0	[18:42]
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fabricius	luciash: firefox problem solved I had to clear my cache and the cookies sorry that I did not before asking	[18:44]
luciash	fabricius: np	[18:45]
marclaporte	changi: you saw accent problems on dev.two?	[18:48]
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changi	marclaporte: url !?	[18:59]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27531 10/branches/5.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 5.0	[19:00]
marclaporte	look bottom right footer	[19:00]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27532 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.0	[19:04]
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marclaporte	changi: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/keywords Accessibility (WAI �ldblquote 508)	[19:11]
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marclaporte	changi : http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Decision -> Régis Barondeau doc seems ok, and I am guessing your setup is the same for both. Presumably, the data you received was not identical	[19:23]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27533 10/trunk/templates/tiki-plugin_trackerlist.tpl: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: when the field in checkbox param is incorrect, replace with the itemId	[19:25]
changi	marclaporte: yes maybe marclaporte: on it	[19:25]
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freud1	If i have TW on Ubuntu server on intranet, and intranet has exchange server too, what do I need to send mail from TW to exchange? All these cryptic abreviations are getting to me :) Is it an MTA i need or something else? Any suggestons Simply don't know what too google for :)	[19:27]
marclaporte	you should be able to use php's mail	[19:28]
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marclaporte	try to send a mail from tiki-install.php	[19:29]
freud1	I've tried "send link to friend" for hours now :) sometimes the page comes back saying it can't be sent, or it just freezes on me...	[19:30]
marclaporte	heh 1st check if your server can send mail from tiki-install.php or with something like this: http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/How_to_Send_Email_from_a_PHP_Script.htm	[19:33]
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turing	hi all new tikiwiki user here. Can I ask a (hopefully quick) question? :)	[19:43]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27534 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki-secdb_5.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 5.0	[19:44]
freud1	turing: don't ask to ask, just ask...works for me :)	[19:47]
turing	right, I saw that too late :$ well, the problem is simple. I have created a wiki page whose name contains an accented character say Velocità now I want to link to it, but ((Velocità)) is not recognized as a link and I'm stuck :p	[19:48]
sylvieg	turing: try tiki-admin.php?page=wiki wiki link format -> complete	[19:50]
turing	right away!	[19:50]
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turing	aaand that's perfect! thank you a lot :)	[19:52]
freud1	marclaporte: the result of the script was totally contradicting itself :) one line saying failed to oopen stream yada, next line saying mesasge sent succesfully....	[19:54]
marclaporte	LOL	[19:54]
freud1	And since my inbox is empty i guess the first line was the most correct one... still mailq says empty too	[19:56]
Helene	Do I have to understand that using the "wysiwyg & wiki editor" in Tiki4 is REALLY experimental ?? :P:P	[19:58]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r27535 10/branches/5.x/templates/modules/mod-upcoming_events.tpl: [FIX] HTML validation errors caused by wrong opening/closing table tags	[19:58]
marclaporte	perhaps we should various levels of "experimental" :-) Helene : try it and let us know freud1 : did you use tiki-install.php or the other script?	[19:58]
freud1	marclaporte: the other one...in your link, tiki-install is locked	[20:00]
marclaporte	well, unlock it!	[20:01]
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Helene	@marclaporte kind of ... working on my personal wiki but not on the customer' one... ummm... exploring.	[20:04]
freud1	bbl, try more tomorrow, thanks marc!	[20:06]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r27536 10/tags/5.0/: [REL] Tagging release	[20:08]
changi	marclaporte: charset problem on dev is exactly why we work on it with nyloth marclaporte: dogfood is dogfood marclaporte: modification has to made by hand because there is too much possibility of encoding style. marclaporte: i made it on the bottom and the decision page marclaporte: feel free for anyone to modify pages with charset issue	[20:08]
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changi	changi was not thinking that marc will leave :)	[20:13]
luciash	Tiki sends notification mails of wiki page changes with wrong charset encoding even when i have set utf-8 on Admin > General Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 is in the message source Tiki5	[20:27]
sylvieg	luciash: is it a user prefs?	[20:28]
luciash	nope, general	[20:28]
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sylvieg	in tiki-user_preferences.php Does your mail reader need a special charset	[20:29]
luciash	it shows utf-8 there too predefined from general i guess	[20:29]
sylvieg	and other notification - because wiki notif uses zend not the others	[20:30]
luciash	other notifications are fine (not affected by this regression) like changes of tracker items are sent with correct encoding (utf-8)	[20:31]
sylvieg	sylvieg was always upset with this mail lib change	[20:31]
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helene	wysiwyg&wiki editor isn't that bad finally... my settings were not done properly:P but the wysiwyg "by default" is not working right now... maybe my settings again;)	[20:39]
	Does anyone know if it's possible to use wysiwyg & wiki editor in sections ? It works on full pages but not on sections... something in the settings? Not finding anything right now...	[20:45]
sylvieg	helene: it is possible	[20:47]
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helene	great! so I won't stop searching ! :)	[20:48]
fabricius	er... tikiadmins around? I came to an odd page kind of themes.tw.o, but different domain and givimh out redirect.php instead of tar.gz giving as template download	[20:48]
luciash	fabricius: if it's zukakakina, it's all right	[20:51]
fabricius	tiki-directory_redirect https://goeverysite.appspot.com/themes.tikiwiki.org you know that?	[20:51]
luciash	ah, nope	[20:52]
fabricius	I formyself delete the php straightaway hopefully not aggressive malware wont try hopefully deleting and emtying the bin would be doing it the link of the tiki+4+themes => Mollio Download seems to be damaged linking to yahoo	[20:53]
luciash	what link i mean where is that link	[20:59]
fabricius	1.) http://themes.tikiwiki.org/Tiki+4+themes 2.) then Mollio Theme: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-directory_redirect.php?siteId=100 => problem shoul be with the siteId should after I got there the next themes have been on the goeversite.appspot... I have no idea whats the prob so I go back to work just wanted to tell somebody, who could sort that out or knows who can	[21:01]
luciash	i have no idea what is the problem	[21:06]
changi	http://stats.tikiwiki.org/dl/ for those who have time just test the tiki-5.0.*	[21:06]
luciash	fabricius: it just sends me to http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/themes/mollio.tar.gz no malware site, just the file path is wrong it seems	[21:10]
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fabricius	luciash: it sends me to sourceforge, but in a quarter of a second futher to http://de.data.toolbar.yahoo.com/bh/v1/epa/?.nrd=1&........ not the hole link	[21:11]
luciash	fabricius: it must be your browser toolbar trying to find it somewhere else	[21:11]
fabricius	again? all the other themes I could download without any kind of a problem	[21:12]
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fabricius	and this early eveneing I deleted all the cache I´ll do again	[21:13]
luciash	fabricius: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/themes/mollio_tiki_4.tar.gz	[21:13]
fabricius	cookies + cache gone now	[21:13]
luciash	is the correct link i will fix it in the directory of themes.tw.o	[21:13]
fabricius	ok thx yes prob still there, but thx for the link bye luciash	[21:14]
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fabricius	hi, another question I have section I want to let a menu-item or a module to show up only in a certain section there is a field where I can edit menus ar modules called section	[23:11]
sylvieg	check the module doc pageon doc.tw.org - I think there is a section param	[23:13]
fabricius	what exactly I have to write in this field, if I want to have for ex the mod tiki-quick-edit shown only in wiki ah section parameter sorry, I am not too bad in english, but sometimes I just di not know what to look for in english thx thank you worked out ... had to type in wiki page	[23:14]
	sylvieg: so now I know what to type in, if I want the module ONLY IN certain sections, but what should I do if I would like to have it ONLY NOT in certain sections ... like ONLY NOT in forum? I know, it must be a bit stressful to help me out this way, with questions I could find somewhere, but xavi gave me the job to get used to workspaces and datachannels until barcelona so I need to understand sections, parameters and that kind of stuff first and rather quick and is there any general difference between a coder and a developer, or is that the same? :-D it´s a real question not a joke	[23:23]
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