[00:17] *** franck has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:17] fabricius: it's the same for most people [00:18] mose: thx [00:18] developer may include software engineering though [00:18] coder could be considered as the one that writes the code under supervision of a software engineer [00:18] but [00:19] it´s just, that I have to get clear a lot of stuff in a short time, so just to get an idea what to ask whom [00:19] ok ... [00:19] this varies with every perspective [00:19] *** freud1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [00:19] in here, it's same [00:19] coders develop and developers code [00:19] ah understand [00:21] different focu, core theme, point of view [00:21] focus [00:21] sortof, but again, my definition is personal [00:21] absolutely clear [00:21] depending context/company/group it may vary [00:21] just to get a rough idea [00:22] will meet a lot of coders and developers by time, I think [00:22] some are more developers than coders, and vice versa :) [00:22] I even know developers that don't code [00:22] but usaly only in big companies [00:23] they do uml, schematics, drawing and slides [00:23] where you are located? europe? [00:23] that's complicated [00:23] I'm located in taiwan [00:23] but I come from france [00:23] I´d say, i got the difference roughly [00:25] and you ? [00:29] *** franck has joined #tikiwiki [00:31] oh, germany [00:32] hmm, maybe not [00:33] anyway, 8:30 am now, time to sleep [00:33] cya [00:38] cya [00:49] *** eenewbie has joined #tikiwiki [00:50] hi, can someone help me with the forums_last_posts module? I've added the module ok but last posts don't display unless i'm logged in as admin. [01:05] >help [01:05] (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [01:05] !help [01:05] You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot . [01:06] *** eenewbie has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [01:09] eee [01:09] ask and gone [01:10] hmm wanted to give it a help [01:10] once somebody ask something i have kind of a little imagination he fops in and out in 4 minutes [01:10] hmmm [01:11] I´ve seen, that FAQs feature is pending to be phased out [01:11] what feature is kind of superseding it? [01:11] thought to be a great one? [01:15] oh no [01:22] *** Kimberlee has joined #tikiwiki [01:22] hello all. [01:28] hello Kimberlee [01:29] marclaporte: can I use javascript in a wikipage? [01:29] how r u Kimberlee ? [01:29] fabricius: you can use the javascript plugin [01:30] ah thx Kimberlee [01:30] http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginJS [01:30] np :-) [01:35] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:47] *** Caarrie|away has joined #tikiwiki [01:48] *** Caarrie|sleeping has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) [01:48] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:50] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [01:53] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [01:54] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [02:35] *** dcedilotte has joined #tikiwiki [03:35] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [03:36] i some some commits tagging 5.0.... possibly the release is near? [03:53] Q: is it possible to somehow use the page-translation.tpl as a plugin for a specfici wiki page? [03:55] *** franck has quit IRC (Quit: franck) [03:56] ricks99: it's here: http://stats.tikiwiki.org/dl/ [03:56] but not yet on SourceForge [03:56] changi|afk : can give us more details [04:01] any devs looked over the release notes? [04:01] i added what i could [04:04] fixed width seems to no work? [04:04] NOT a blocker [04:22] good night all. [04:22] *** dcedilotte has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) [05:06] question: [05:06] I seem to have an english version or some kind of [05:06] er [05:06] it´s possible to switch the language in the tiki [05:07] but turns out, that even in german language picked, nearly everything is english [05:07] translation issue perhabs? [05:08] who would be the man or woman to ask the question on translation of the system - admin panels - buttons? [05:10] fabricius: g'morning [05:10] what version are you using? [05:10] tiki version [05:10] 4.2 [05:10] good morning [05:10] because for tiki5, there was a problem with lang switching, that was recently fixed by sylvie g [05:10] actually it´s one of the versions i am using [05:11] ah, ok, no idea then. read the docs first, then, about i18n [05:11] i18n works for me, afaik, on 4.x [05:12] i18n -> isn´t that for translating wikipages fpr multilanguage? [05:12] and for the quesion about eenewbie: tiki 4.2 is know to have a bug in last_forum_posts module: content not shown for anons [05:12] polom [05:12] I would look for tiki-systemlanguage or adminpanels, editbuttons ... - is that i18n? [05:12] in case he comes again with the same questuion. it's know to be fixed in 5.x [05:13] hi luciash [05:13] ok xavi, it´s a bug fixed in 5 [05:13] fabricious: welcome to read the documentation: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation [05:14] and for i18n, search there, which will give you to: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/i18n and subsequent pages [05:14] you r right, but I didn´t sleep yet [05:14] and you know, as you learn things which have outdated documentation, and know how to fix, go for it and improve the docs! :-) [05:15] and you know, you gave me a job related to workspaces and datachannels [05:15] ;-) [05:15] "you gave me a job": mmmm, I'm afraid that you didn't take my suggestion properly... :-) [05:16] just try to be as efficient as possible [05:16] kidding [05:16] I need to understand thst anyway [05:17] "efficient" vs "effective": you need to watch "Waste = Food", and their comments about [eco-]effectivity, compared to the [unsustainable eco-]efficiency [05:17] s/effectivity/effectiveness (rusty English) [05:18] bbl [05:24] btw: more info about that documentary "Waste = Food" and one reading only by the authors Mc Donough & Braungart: http://iesbarcelona.org/esso350/Session+23 (on a tiki site ;-) ) [05:36] *** Lucymoz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:48] *** testideui has joined #tikiwiki [05:48] *** testideui has quit IRC (Client Quit) [06:05] *** Kimberlee has quit IRC () [06:31] the NEXT industrial revolution? [06:35] not the time to finish now, just startet a bit and read teh first two pages across - need some time to sit down and concentrate on that [06:35] such stuff need some rest - not a hurry [06:36] this stuff with eco efficiency mentioned in there shure cannot work [06:36] not understood as do more with less [06:36] yes, and g'night (or good day, or whatever). Have a nice rest... [06:36] it would still be rising [06:36] and that is the problem at all [06:36] yeah [06:36] bye xavi [06:53] hmmmmm [06:56] do you know if {include page="script-for-itemId-{{itemId}}"} would work ? [06:56] {include page="script-for-itemId-{$f_6}"} doesn't work :( [06:58] xavi ? [06:58] yep [06:59] for pretty trackers? [06:59] yep [06:59] did you try with the syntax that sylvieg said? [06:59] what syntax ? [06:59] read that on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Pretty+Trackers [07:00] at the section about wiki plugins, etc. [07:00] it doesn't work for me nowadays, I don't know why [07:00] but it did a few days ago... [07:00] I must be missing some param or setting... [07:02] ah [07:02] but i would need an example with plugin params, not plugin data [07:02] the utf-8 is comletely messed up on dc.tw.o there [07:03] btw [07:03] yes, I just saw that... :-/ <--- changi|afk [07:03] i will try to read it from the code of wikiplugin smarty [07:03] how to add plugin params [07:04] mmm, sylvieg added that also: {TRACKER(trackerId=1, itemId={$f_1}) /} [07:04] that should work for you, isn't it? [07:04] plugin param [07:04] that is example of not working syntax ;) [07:05] oh well, then it's a question of knowing smarty template syntax... [07:05] maybe you can add a param called _param={f_1}.... or similar [07:05] I have no idea about smarty syntax..., sorry [07:06] something like: {wikiplugin _name=include _param={$f_1}} your data here {/wikiplugin} ? [07:06] or similar [07:06] just a guess [07:06] hmm, seems like that (from the source) [07:07] Anyway, I have to leave to uni [07:07] but without the underscore for the params [07:07] good luck and see you [07:07] *** xavi has left [07:22] *** Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki [07:30] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:37] *** changi|afk is now known as changi [07:37] polom [07:42] sylvieg: i try {wikiplugin _name="include" page="script-for-itemId-{$f_6}"}{/wikiplugin} in PTT but it doesn't seem to work... any idea ? [07:42] hi changi [07:43] changi: do you think the utf-8 will be possible to fix on *.tw.o sites ? it is a mess now [07:50] sylvieg: good morning btw, when you will get up :) (too soon now for you, i know) [08:04] *** pikytcus_ has joined #tikiwiki [08:06] New Forum Posts: validation through e-mail - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37397 [08:06] New Forum Posts: How to use special characters in a link ? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37396 [08:09] *** pikytcus has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:09] *** Kissaki has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:25] *** Kissaki has joined #tikiwiki [08:34] *** ClaraM has joined #tikiwiki [08:36] *** Kissaki has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:09] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27537 10/mods/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH]Security enabled by default (stopping if banned commands found) and made optional through param if explicity requested. New param to allow wiki parsing R output [09:20] *** Kissaki has joined #tikiwiki [09:34] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27538 10/trunk/ (65 files in 59 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27492 to 27535 [10:07] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [10:11] New Forum Posts: Show history for each wiki page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=37401 [10:23] *** Cain` has joined #tikiwiki [10:23] *** Wilkins_ has joined #tikiwiki [10:23] *** clara__ has joined #tikiwiki [10:24] *** ClaraM has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:24] *** clara__ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:24] *** Wilkins has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:24] *** ClaraM has joined #tikiwiki [10:24] *** Cain has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:24] *** Cain` is now known as Cain [10:31] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27539 10/third_party/jquery/jquery.sheet/ (4 files): [MOD] Latest SVN updates from jquery.sheet (v1.1.0 RC 3) [10:53] w00t, so it is now official :) [10:53] *** luciash changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! Just ask, don't ask to ask ;) Tiki 3.5 (LTS) and 4.2 is out! Don't paste multiline code/errors here please. Channel is logged @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude msg from log), type !help or >list and then >help to get some info about how to query our bots ;) Enjoy! [10:55] *** luciash changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! Just ask, don't ask to ask ;) Tiki 5.0 is out! Don't paste multiline code/errors here please. Channel is logged @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude msg from log), type !help or >list and then >help to get some info about how to query our bots ;) Enjoy! [10:58] *** martijn85 has joined #tikiwiki [11:04] *** luciash changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! Good News! Tiki 5.0 is out! Wanna ask something? Just ask! Don't paste multiline code/errors here please. We log this channel @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude msg from log), type !help or >whatis something to get some help from our bots ;) Enjoy! [11:05] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [11:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o chibaguy [11:05] polom [11:06] so, what's new? [11:22] chibaguy: hi, see the topic :) [11:24] heh, yeah! [11:24] luciash, what do you think are the steps to take toward html5? any ideas? [11:27] does anyone know [11:28] when a user validates his registration [11:28] he gets first a message user doesn't exist [11:28] but clicking another time on the link [11:28] validates [11:31] marclaporte [11:31] oops, too quick with tab complete [11:31] *** Tikiwiki|bot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:32] martijn85: I haven't seen that problem, but it's possible, for sure. [11:32] chibaguy: i think first we need to test if it will work with *lite CSS [11:33] to fix the problem or what do u mean is possible? [11:33] I mean possibly it's a little buggy. [11:33] But I haven't tested that; maybe someone else has. [11:33] chibaguy: then choose some compatibility framework (maybe start here: http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/10-free-html5-css3-website-templates-to-start-designing-for-tomorrow/) [11:34] chibaguy: the HTML5 starter pack looks promising (it even supports compatibility with IE6 they say) [11:34] luciash: There are some new selectors like nav, section, header, etc., right? [11:35] So our tpls would need these instead of some of the divs. [11:35] yep, and attributes, like the @role [11:35] Any opinion about the time to switch? [11:36] well, they're not mandatory i think, the special semantic tags, but for sure it makes sense to transition to them as we will go further [11:36] chibaguy: the time is *now* in case there will be nomore merges to trunk [11:37] chibaguy: if there are some more merges planned, it's a problem and we have to wait [11:37] chibaguy: maybe until 5.1 [11:38] From what I read, ie6 needs javascript help to recognize some of the html5 elements. [11:38] i wouldn't care about that much anymore [11:38] IE6 with JS off is simply off [11:39] yes, should be a rare case. [11:39] yep, very rare [11:39] and such a browser is already experiencing major problems on today's web. [11:40] i doubt anybody even is that mad to try using Tiki regularly with IE6 (and even JS off) [11:40] i hope not [11:43] so we need to decide how to map our current divs to html5 elements like header, section, aside, and so on, for one thing. [11:43] some are obvious, like header and footer, and nav. [11:44] but there can also be header and footer within sections, like forum posts and articles. [11:44] ...if I understand correctly. [11:44] yea [11:44] We should do a wiki pages with some ideas. [11:45] first i would make sure it works with the HTML5 doctype and keep what we have [11:45] then start to replace divs one by one [11:46] *** martijn85 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [11:46] as long as logic/semantics will make sense [11:46] i would like to try keep the current @id and @classes if possible [11:46] updating theme stylesheets could be a big project. [11:47] I guess a set of find and replace actions would do it, pretty much. [11:47] and just remove the specificness from *lite to stay backward compatible [11:47] how do you mean? [11:47] and from themes then too [11:47] it could work i think [11:48] instead of div#col2 (if any, i don't remember exactly) just use #col2 [11:48] I see. [11:49] and it wouldn't then matter if it is
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