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[00:18] <fabricius> hi
[00:18] <fabricius> back from france
[00:19] <fabricius> Vosges rocks
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[04:27] <luciash> polom
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[04:32] <amette> moloq
[04:34] <luciash> hey early birdies :-p
[04:35] <amette> hehe, well, I'm more like late ;)
[04:35] <amette> been working all night, didn't notice time going by
[04:35] <luciash> you seem rather too late bro
[04:36] <amette> hehe, yup :)
[04:36] <amette> well, I'll say goodnight then now...
[04:36] * luciash is early (exceptional situation), cause spent night in tent in the garden w/ kid
[04:36] <amette> ... you made me look at the time, thanks bro :)
[04:36] <amette> ah, cool :)
[04:37] <luciash> sleep well :)
[04:37] <amette> thanks - cu :)
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[06:04] <chibaguy> polomonday
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[06:29] <luciash> polom chibaguy 
[06:30] <luciash> is there still time to put fixes and Czech translation update before Tiki 5.1 release ?
[06:31] <chibaguy> Hi luciash. Yes, I think so. I didn't see any specific release time yet.
[06:34] <chibaguy> I think maybe the release time is around http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestBigBlueButton (Aug. 15-18)
[06:36] <luciash> oki :)
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[06:44] <chibaguy> Speaking of bugs, I wonder if the odd browser title at tw.o is due to a bug (url appears on the tab,  not wiki page name, etc.).
[06:54] <luciash> ithink it depends on page (if it has description) or section (if it is implemented)
[06:54] <luciash> there's set use page's description for title
[06:55] <coaboa> hi all
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[06:57] <luciash> hi coa
[06:58] <luciash> chibaguy: imho it should fallback to page title if description is empty
[06:59] <luciash> chibaguy: whould be better solution i think
[06:59] <chibaguy> yes, that makes sense.
[07:00] <chibaguy> hi coaboa
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[07:04] <luciash> hmm, what's going on with my local copy of tiki branch5 ?
[07:04] * luciash gets "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" after svn up
[07:05] <chibaguy> does your db/local.php look ok?
[07:06] <chibaguy> bbl. got to catch the train home. :-)
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[07:07] <luciash> ah, somehow, my mysql was stopped
[07:07] <luciash> :-p
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[07:14] <luciash> Sug4r: what was that, my dear bot ?
[07:14] <Sug4r> Pardon?
[07:14] <luciash> :)
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[07:37] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03eromneg * r28248 10/trunk/templates/tiki-blog_post.tpl: MOD] allow blog post edit screen to use full screen width - particularly important for wysiwyg editor
[07:59] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03eromneg * r28249 10/trunk/templates/tiki-edit_article.tpl: MOD] allow new article header and body edit screens to use full screen width - particularly important for wysiwyg editor
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[08:06] <yonixxxxx> hi
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[08:14] <olio> Hey. I want tiki-shoutbox to show only the message and not the User, Timedate, Message. I've tried to change the code in lib/shoutbox/shoutboxlib.php but i can't seem to find the right place where the output is generated
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[08:46] <luciash> olio: templates/tiki-shoutbox.tpl or templates/modules/mod-shoutbox.tpl iirc
[08:54] <olio> ah ok, found it, thx.
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[10:27] <jonnyb> polom.1
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[10:37] * chibaguy ponders the possible meanings of polom.1....
[10:37] <jonnyb> hi chibaguy 
[10:37] <chibaguy> hi jonnyb
[10:37] <jonnyb> shall we do a release? (probably a bit late in the day for you)
[10:38] <jonnyb> oh, i was going to have a look at the colorbox bug you posted first...
[10:38] <jonnyb> seems odd that it changed
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[10:46] <ricks99> Hi all
[10:47] <sylvieg> polom
[10:48] <jonnyb> hi ricks99, sylvieg and all
[10:48] <jonnyb> should we try and release 5.1 today?
[10:48] <sylvieg> we can
[10:48] <ricks99> go for it
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[10:49] <ricks99> I started a rel note for 5.1
[10:49] <ricks99> but need help
[10:50] <Blue_> IE8 showing "error on page" even for http://info.tikiwiki.org.  Is this universal or do I have a problem with my browser?
[10:51] <jonnyb> Blue_: do the other two sites have that error too?
[10:51] <jonnyb> no error in safari, probably in IE special
[10:52] <jonnyb> sylvieg & ricks99: i'll do a mail to the devels to say we'll start releasing... when? in a "few" hours?
[10:52] <ricks99> @Blue_ can u clear the IE cache. My IE 8 reports no errors
[10:52] <jonnyb> maybe i should have a look at 5.x in IE
[10:52] <Blue_> jonnyb: Firefox does not show any error.  What other two sites are you referring to?
[10:53] <jonnyb> doc.tiwiki.org for instance
[10:53] <sylvieg> jonnyb: ok for me
[10:53] <jonnyb> (spelt properly of course)
[10:53] <jonnyb> ok, will do a mail, then read "how to release" :)
[10:53] <ricks99> @Blue_: confirm that you are *NOT* running IE in "compatability mode"
[10:54] <ricks99> @jonnyb: sounds good. pls include in email to 1. review the rl notes and 2. review the news release too
[10:54] * ricks99 sees no errors for info.tw.o in IE 7 either
[10:54] <Blue_> http://doc.tikiwiki.org has the same error in IE8.  IE is not in compatability mode.
[10:55] <jonnyb> ricks99: if you have the urls handy do you want to do the mail?
[10:55] <jonnyb> Blue_: what language are you "in"
[10:55] <Blue_> jonnyb: english
[10:56] <jonnyb> hmm (sometimes translations can break javascript strings)
[10:56] <ricks99> @Blue_: what is ur exact IE8 version. I have 8.0.6001 and see no errors reproted
[10:57] <Blue_> ricks99: IE version 8.0.7600.16385
[10:59] <ricks99> hm....
[10:59] * ricks99 tries to force an ie update..
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[11:06] <RobertP> jonnyb, is there yet a movement in 5.x to bring the new jQuery.s5 plugin to users?
[11:06] <RobertP> or is it still in trunk?
[11:06] <jonnyb> no, not in 5
[11:06] <jonnyb> that'll be for 6 (unless you want to add it later for 5.2)
[11:07] <RobertP> Are there plans to make it external?
[11:07] <jonnyb> but please don't do it now
[11:07] <jonnyb> we need to release 5.1
[11:07] <RobertP> :)
[11:07] <RobertP> I won't,
[11:07] <RobertP> I was away last week, and am getting ready for a new week
[11:07] <RobertP> just trying to catchup
[11:10] <rotterdam> how do I add links on the top menu?
[11:11] <RobertP> How do you like what I did with s5 jonnyb?  Anything you see needs to change right off?
[11:12] <ricks99> @rotterdam: add a link to the specific menuID. see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Menu_Customizing_Menus
[11:12] <jonnyb> RobertP: i looked at the example you sent while in barcelona - not had time to look again now in trunk, sorry
[11:13] <RobertP> np
[11:13] <rotterdam> ricks99, thanks
[11:13] <rotterdam> ricks99, Page not found 
[11:13] <chibaguy> Is luciash around? He was asking about the release time for 5.1 because he wants to commit czech lang changes and I think some bug fix(es).
[11:14] <ricks99> d'oh. ... /Menu#Customizing_Menus
[11:14] <jonnyb> ok chibaguy - i'm suggesting that we do it in 4(ish) hours time, should be enough (hopefully)
[11:14] <jonnyb> it'll be late for you though ;)
[11:16] <rotterdam> ricks99, :)
[11:16] <chibaguy> ok. yeah, a little late for me.
[11:17] <chibaguy> btw, I'm not getting any js errors in ie8 at info.tw.o.
[11:17] <chibaguy> although i do get them in ie fairly often.
[11:18] <jonnyb> might the info.tw.o thing be related to anonymous vs logged in?
[11:19] <chibaguy> maybe so.
[11:21] <ricks99> i was viweing as anonymous in ie8 - no errors
[11:21] <RobertP> Hey jonnyb, I don't have sufficient priviledges to setup feeds for jQuery.s5, can you create the feed for http://code.google.com/p/jquerys5/feeds?
[11:21] <chibaguy> ricks99, I just tried both ways, and no error.
[11:21] <RobertP> when you have time, I know you are busy
[11:22] <ricks99> @chibaguy: i confirm too. i saw no errors in ie 7 or 8
[11:22] <jonnyb> RobertP: how come i'd have more privies than you there? you started that one didn't you?
[11:22] <chibaguy> I have seen errors fairly recently but of course now I don't and am not sure what site or what was activated, etc.
[11:26] <RobertP> I went to go add it here:http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=JQS5
[11:26] <RobertP> I wanted to have an rss like jquery.sheet
[11:27] <RobertP> I did not create that page
[11:27] <jonnyb> sorry - not seen that - ricks99 can you help?
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[11:50] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Ver5.0 - image in files gallery not display in wiki page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37935
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[11:55] <RobertP> hey marc
[11:55] <RobertP> marclaport
[11:55] <RobertP> marclaporte
[11:56] <RobertP> Just fyi, I was out of town last week, and am working on the cell id reference issue.
[11:56] <RobertP> or feature rather
[11:56] <RobertP> I will have it uploaded shortly.
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[12:00] <marclaporte1> :-)
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[12:03] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28250 10/branches/5.x/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] Installer: Check if database really exists before using it (thanks marclaporte)
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[12:13] <Kimberlee> hello all.
[12:15] <jonnyb> hi Kimberlee 
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[12:24] <RobertP> marclaporte, problems?
[12:25] <RobertP> jonnyb, do you see any feezable way to save column width with spreadsheets?
[12:25] <RobertP> marc has it on my list to do next.
[12:25] <luciash> polom jonnyb 
[12:25] <luciash> may i still commit ?
[12:25] <jonnyb> haven't investigated
[12:26] <RobertP> ok
[12:26] <jonnyb> polom luciash 
[12:26] <jonnyb> please do - fixes only though, right? ;)
[12:26] <luciash> yea
[12:26] <marclaporte> polom
[12:26] <jonnyb> i'm still trying to track down an installer bug
[12:26] <RobertP> yea, I was thinking, it is more or less a style attribute.
[12:27] <luciash> hi marc
[12:27] <RobertP> If we were to use style, we would then also support colors, etc.
[12:27] <marclaporte> hi luciash
[12:27] <jonnyb> seems my shared host's mqsql user hasn't got the perms to find out about the charset stuff
[12:27] <jonnyb> sorry RobertP - not doing spreadsheets today
[12:27] <RobertP> I understand
[12:28] <jonnyb> sorry, hope to soon! :)
[12:28] <RobertP> You are a viable master of the tiki, in and out of code all day long :)
[12:29] <jonnyb> aw shucks  :P 
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[12:33] <RavenC> polom
[12:36] <Bernard-> polom too
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[12:46] <marclaporte> chealer:  WebPI code is in branches/5.x for 5.1 release?
[12:47] <ricks99> doesn't tiki5 have an rss feed for wiki page comments? i cant find it on admin_rss?
[12:47] <marclaporte> ricks99:  I have never seen that
[12:48] <ricks99> hm...
[12:48] <ricks99> must be dreaming
[12:48] * jonnyb worries that ricks99 dreams of rss feeds
[12:49] <ricks99> lol
[12:49] <ricks99> we have a comment admin page that lists all comments.
[12:49] <chibaguy> be happy that your dreams don't have rss feeds ;-)
[12:49] <RavenC> lol
[12:49] * ricks99 wonders how hard it would b for jonnyb to turn it into an rss feed
[12:49] * ricks99 for 5.1
[12:49] <ricks99> :-)
[12:49] <jonnyb> tee hee!
[12:50] * ricks99 goes to add RSS for COmments as a new feature in the rel notes. now jonnyb *has* to add it :-)
[12:50] * jonnyb doesn't subscribe to this feed
[12:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28251 10/branches/5.x/tiki-imexport_languages.php: 
[12:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] import/export lang: fix PHP error and allow to re-import if the lang was
[12:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: already imported before, changed string Included to Imported and made it
[12:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: translantable; TODO: handle delete and currently used lang cannot be imported
[12:57] <luciash> sorry s/translantable/translatable/
[13:06] <jonnyb> got a nasty 5.x installer bug on my shared hosting. it's a 4.1 tiki but the line in local.php said $dbversion_tiki='3.0' and so it's trying to use adobe but failing (for some reason)
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[13:11] <luciash> jonnyb: replace that dbversion ?
[13:12] <jonnyb> i think adding the api_tiki=pdo to local would fix it, but it would be better if it just worked...
[13:13] <jonnyb> and now i'm trying it again the version has been already updated to 5.0 (in local.php)
[13:13] <jonnyb> ik
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[13:18] <Bernard-> to use the plugin SPLIT into the "Custom End of <body> Code" is a bad idea. :)
[13:18] <luciash> Bernard-: one must just close the code carefully
[13:20] <Bernard-> ... what do you mean ?
[13:21] <Bernard-> {SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%|20%|5%|20%)}&nbsp;---col1---&nbsp;---col2{SPLIT} look ok to me
[13:22] <jonnyb> aha - seems my server has php with '-disable-pdo' set :(
[13:22] <luciash> aye
[13:22] <luciash> Bernard-: colsize has unclosed quote
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[13:23] <Bernard-> ...i'm getting really old... :(
[13:23] <luciash> :)
[13:23] <Bernard-> yes tks :)
[13:24] <Bernard-> But anyway... it broke the end code.
[13:25] <Bernard-> ... time to bring back old table ?
[13:25] <Bernard-> <table>
[13:25] <luciash> Bernard-: probably must be enclosed inside {wiki}...{/wiki} too
[13:26] <luciash> as it is wiki plugin
[13:26] <Bernard-> nope tried it too:
[13:26] <Bernard-> {wiki}{SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%|20%|5%|20%")}&nbsp;---col1---&nbsp;---col2{SPLIT}{/wiki}
[13:27] <luciash> well yes, you can achieve the same with HTML table tag
[13:27] <luciash> can i see how it breaks ?
[13:27] <chibaguy> I wonder what would be special about SPLIT that would cause it to not work in the custom code.
[13:28] <chibaguy> Any properly formed syntax should work.
[13:28] <Bernard-> sure
[13:29] <Bernard-> here : http://shocksite.com/5x.html/
[13:29] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28252 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Installer: Only offer to fix encoding if the database exists.
[13:29] <Bernard-> this is with the tag split
[13:29] <luciash> alternative in Smarty block is {wikiplugin _name="split" joincols="n" colsize="5%|20%|5%|20%")}&nbsp;---col1---&nbsp;---col2{/wikiplugin}
[13:29] <Bernard-> ah ok this is interesting, i test
[13:30] <luciash> i don't see it there
[13:30] <Bernard-> better !
[13:30] <Bernard-> yes the "wikiplugin" is working tks
[13:31] <luciash> Bernard-: yo yoni ! ;)
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[13:38] <rodrigo_sampaio> hi jonnyb, I saw your e-mail in the devel list about the 5.1 release. Let me know if I can help you.
[13:38] <jonnyb> hi rodrigo_sampaio - yes please, the more people we have to test the better
[13:38] <jonnyb> should be stuff to play with in a couple of hours
[13:39] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28253 10/branches/5.x/tiki-edit_languages.php: [FIX] edit languages: double entities in translations problem - it is not wanted to put htmlentities and strip tags - edit languages is alowed by trusted users anyway... caused just trouble
[13:39] <rodrigo_sampaio> jonnyb: ok, I will be online for the next two hours and after I will be offline for six hours or so
[13:39] <rodrigo_sampaio> jonnyb: but after that I will be back online
[13:40] <jonnyb> ok, no worries, if we're still doing it in 8 hours we will need help! :D
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[13:43] <chibaguy> Bernard- : literal tags are also needed for SPLIT in the custom code text area, like {wiki}{literal}{SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%|20%|5%|20%")}&nbsp;---col1---&nbsp;---col2{SPLIT}{/literal}{/wiki}
[13:44] <Bernard-> Hi Chibaguy.... tks right now wikiplugin seams ok
[13:45] <rodrigo_sampaio> jonnyb: ok :D
[13:45] <chibaguy> ok, just for future reference. should be true for all wikiplugins.
[13:45] <luciash> jonnyb: can i commit just lang/cs/language.php still ?
[13:46] <Bernard-> i'll try to keep that in mind... but lately i have quit some troubles there... ;)
[13:46] <luciash> jonnyb: or too late ?
[13:46] <jonnyb> luciash: sure
[13:46] <luciash> k
[13:46] <jonnyb> i'm still trying to work out this horrid installer thing
[13:47] <jonnyb> does someone need to do the get_strings() thing? (i've never done that, but don'\t you need to do that in order to have all the strings there?)
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[13:48] <luciash> jonnyb: i guess someone enhanced the release script to handle the get_strings
[13:48] <luciash> jonnyb: hopefully
[13:48] <jonnyb> we shall see :)
[13:50] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28254 10/branches/5.x/lang/cs/language.php: [ENH] Czech language: some more translated
[13:51] <chealer> marclaporte: the web pi code is not, but it will not be in the main tree neither
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[13:52] <jonnyb> hmm, i'm now getting: A new version of Tikiwiki, 4.3, is available. You are currently running 5.0. Please visit http://tikiwiki.org/Download
[13:54] <chealer> bbl
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[13:54] <luciash> translation using the DB and interactive mode is now breeze :)
[13:55] <marclaporte> luciash: yay!
[13:55] <marclaporte> luciash: I think we'll get Dogfooders!
[13:56] <marclaporte> http://inuktitut.ourwiki.net/
[13:56] <luciash> we need article encouraging translators to help update the translations
[14:03] <RobertP> marclaporte, I'm having some trouble installing tiki on yahoo host, could I talk to you a couple minutes about it?
[14:04] <ricks99> @luciash: a call for translations?
[14:04] <ricks99> good idea
[14:05] <luciash> ricks99: yes, something like "We call all the translators" :)
[14:06] <luciash> ricks99: a pity we can't make it for 5.1 but for 5.2 we could have whole lot new translations because 5.x strings are pretty stabilized now
[14:06] <rodrigo_sampaio> anyone with permission can add the user lucasemanoel to the tikiwiki project on sourceforge? he is a brazilian who is willing to help with translation
[14:06] * ricks99 still thinks many/some of the "English" strings are poor
[14:06] * ricks99 wishes we could externalize all strings
[14:07] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: talking about translation, you know if there is any how to on how to translate tiki and contribute the translation back to the repository?
[14:07] <luciash> easiest would be a short video how-to
[14:09] <luciash> but basically you just need to enable "Use db for translations", import your lang and start translating directly via Tiki
[14:09] <ricks99> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/i18n and http://doc.tikiwiki.org/i18n are good starts
[14:10] <luciash> then when done use export language, change the encoding to utf-8, save the file and send it as patch or copy/paste and commit directly
[14:10] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: huh... this export language is new to me. sounds good
[14:10] <rodrigo_sampaio> thanks for the links ricks99
[14:11] <ricks99> dont we have a tiki team for translation?
[14:11] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash, ricks99: any of you has permission to add developers to tiki on sourceforge?
[14:12] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28255 10/branches/5.x/styles/layout/design.css: [FIX] interactive translation should be on top above all when displayed
[14:12] <ricks99> y (think so)
[14:13] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28256 10/branches/5.x/lib/core/lib/TikiDb.php: 
[14:13] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] TikiDb: Add test for valid results to fetchAll().
[14:13] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Reveals errors in installer (e.g. 'Your MySQL version is too old to perform this operation') on some operations and should also help expose other mystery WSoD errors.
[14:14] <rodrigo_sampaio> ricks99: can you try adding please the user lucasemanoel?
[14:14] <rodrigo_sampaio> ricks99: he is a brazilian willing to help with translation
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[14:15] * ricks99 looks for the ceremony hat... it is the first time he's had to wear it...
[14:19] <ricks99> has 01lucasemanoel read/understand the 3 rules for tiki development?
[14:19] * luciash thinks interactive translation form would look better inside the jQuery UI
[14:19] <rodrigo_sampaio> ricks99: yes
[14:20] <ricks99> sf name is: 01lucasemanoel right?
[14:21] * ricks99 waves the magic wand...
[14:22] * ricks99 ... and adds lucasemanoel
[14:22] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28257 10/branches/5.x/tiki-imexport_languages.php: [FIX] import/export lang: add the UTF-8 encoding to the header for the exported language
[14:23] <ricks99> all set rodrigo_sampaio. may take a bit of time for perms to propogate through all sf servers
[14:23] * ricks99 removes the ceremony hat
[14:23] <rodrigo_sampaio> ricks99: thanks
[14:23] <luciash> a pity there's nobody to welcome and cheer ;)
[14:23] <luciash> rodrigo_sampaio: greetings to him
[14:24] <ricks99> my first cerementy... i'm just hoping i didnt' break anything :)
[14:24] <luciash> ricks99: congrats
[14:24] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: he is on #tikiwiki-br, I will ask him to join us here ;)
[14:24] <luciash> ricks99: who knows with your magic wand ...
[14:25] <ricks99> little do you know... :)
[14:25] <rotterdam> Good morning!
[14:25] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash, ricks99: he is here rotterdam = luscasemanoel :)
[14:26] <luciash> ah :)
[14:26] <ricks99> Olá rotterdam. welcome to tiki
[14:27] * luciash welcomes rotterdam to the Tiki i18n community !
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[14:27] <luciash> rodrigo_sampaio: btw, is it true YouTube is banned in Brazil ?
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[14:29] <xavi> bbl
[14:30] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: where did you heard that? I don't think so, but I can't be sure since I'm not in Brasil (I'm in Montreal)
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[14:30] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: a few years ago Youtube was forced to remove a video and I think this was it
[14:31] <luciash> i have read that on Mashable.com that now Russia banned it and joined other countries and Brasil was listed there too
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[14:32] <rodrigo_sampaio> luciash: no, probably they list brazil because the site was down for a few hours or days (I don't remember), but when they removed the video they were back
[14:32] <RobertP> Anyone, I'm installing tikiwiki on a yahoo hosting environment, and they don't let you see logs.  I've manually installed the database, and yet I get nothing when I try to navigate to tiki.  Anyone have any ideas?
[14:32] <RobertP> http://division7inc.com/new
[14:33] <jonnyb> RobertP: when you say nothing you mean "white page of doom"?
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[14:33] <RobertP> I get a blank page, even after configuring db/local.php
[14:33] <RobertP> yup
[14:33] <RobertP> white indeed
[14:33] <jonnyb> what version?
[14:33] <RobertP> 5.0
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[14:33] <jonnyb> odd - it redirects to tiki-install.php but then dies :(
[14:33] <jonnyb> can you update to svn 5.x?
[14:34] <jonnyb> that last fix i did will hopefully make any db error show up
[14:34] <chibaguy> rotterdam: welcome to the project!
[14:34] <ricks99> @RobertP: how much php memory?
[14:34] <RobertP> How should I quickly upgrade?
[14:34] <RobertP> Yahoo is lower
[14:34] * chibaguy just back from bath
[14:34] <RobertP> lower memory,
[14:34] <RobertP> like 8 meg
[14:35] <ricks99> that's not enough. See requirements docs
[14:35] <ricks99> 32M is needed
[14:36] <jonnyb> at least 16M, even just to show a clean install
[14:36] <ricks99> pls see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/requirements
[14:36] <RobertP> from: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki+Friendly+Hosts ; SBC Hosting(external link) memory_limit set at 8M with a 12M max — presumably if you ask nicely as it is not possible to access php.ini ranebo Jun 14, 2005 
[14:36] <RobertP> Should I ask them, pretty pretty please upgrade my memory?
[14:37] <ricks99> try adding ur own php.ini
[14:37] <ricks99> set memory for 32M
[14:37] <rotterdam> chibaguy, thanks
[14:37] <jonnyb> sometimes you can do it in the .htaccess (but i imaging yahoo don't allow that)
[14:38] <RobertP> i don't think either ini or .htaccess are allowed,
[14:38] <rotterdam> chibaguy, you are who received more thanks to the channel here:)
[14:38] <RobertP> Now that I know the issue I will try to get it resolved with support, THANKS!
[14:39] <chibaguy> :-)
[14:43] <jonnyb> chibaguy: what's going on with templates/styles/fivealive/tiki-searchindex.tpl?
[14:43] <jonnyb> i have a conflict in trunk
[14:43] <jonnyb> has it been deleted in trunk and not in 5.x?
[14:45] <chibaguy> jonnyb: I don't recall any difference in the two; they should be the same.
[14:45] <jonnyb> it seems to have gone from trunk
[14:46] <jonnyb> and sf.net seems to not have a "show deleted files" button any more ;(
[14:47] <ricks99> isnt searchindex for the old/tiki search?
[14:48] <ricks99> searchresults is for the mysql full-text search?
[14:48] <jonnyb> i think so, yes
[14:48] <jonnyb> but i can't see why it's in 5.x now
[14:49] <jonnyb> looks like marclaporte edited it in 5.x a couple of days ago, hence the merge conflict...
[14:49] <jonnyb> :D
[14:50] <jonnyb> i'm going to say it's not a conflict - ok to not be in trunk but still in 5.x (need to get on!)
[14:51] <chibaguy> fivealive/tiki-searchindex.tpl differs from the default in that it has the css dropdown.
[14:52] <chibaguy> that's not to say the file is being used, of course.
[14:52] <jonnyb> well it seems to have been deleted from trunk
[14:52] <jonnyb> someone just tidying up, i guess
[14:52] <chibaguy> the search works ok in trunk?
[14:52] <chealer> polom
[14:52] <chibaguy> I mean display-wise?
[14:52] <jonnyb> sorry, focussing on 5.1
[14:52] <jonnyb> polom chealer 
[14:53] <chibaguy> anyway, fivealive/tiki-searchresults.tpl also has the cssmenu dropdown, so apparently that's the one being used.
[14:53] <chibaguy> (maybe I modified them both originally)
[14:53] <chealer> indexed search was deleted from trunk in January, but I believe it was restored soon after
[14:54] <chealer> hi jonnyb, chibaguy and all
[14:54] <chibaguy> hi chealer
[14:55] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28258 10/trunk/ (20 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 28187 to 28257
[14:55] <jonnyb> ok, i'm going for some "lunch" - back in 20 for release fun! :)
[15:03] <chealer> yeah, indexed search was restored on January 21
[15:05] <chealer> ricks99: searchresults is actually the oldest search, although in one way you could say indexed search is obsolete since non-MySQL DBs support was dropped.
[15:06] <chibaguy> time to sleep here. bbl.
[15:06] <chealer> good night chibaguy
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[15:07] <chealer> jonnyb: I don't recall sf.net having a "show deleted files" button, unless you mean the CVS Attic. or unless you're talking about something really old.
[15:08] <chealer> ricks99: searchresults is indeed for the mysql full-text search
[15:10] <jonnyb> chealer: really? i thought there used to be one on browse svn...
[15:10] <ricks99> is there a way to determine number of commits for 5.1 and number of commiters?
[15:10] <jonnyb> i think the release script does that, or some of it
[15:11] <jonnyb> getting towards that :)
[15:12] <xavi> back 
[15:12] <xavi> reading the back log
[15:12] <xavi> polom all, btw :-)
[15:12] <jonnyb> hi xavi 
[15:13] <chealer> jonnyb: if it has been there in the past year, I failed to notice something I really missed. even on the command line there's no easy way to see deleted files. I always consider this a big regression from CVS.
[15:13] <chealer> hi xavi
[15:13] <ricks99> need those basic stats for the news release
[15:13] <xavi> hi jonnyb and chealer
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[15:13] <xavi> are we in release mode already?
[15:13] <ricks99> alwasy impressive to shown high number of commits and contributors
[15:13] <jonnyb> sort of, xavi 
[15:14] <xavi> ok
[15:14] <jonnyb> Question: Is this going to be 5.1 RC1?
[15:14] <xavi> afair, that was the proposal in bcn
[15:14] <jonnyb> i think it's probably safest, we don\t want all that encoding stuff again
[15:15] <xavi> or "RC" since we don't expect RC2
[15:15] <jonnyb> 5.1 RC it is then
[15:19] <marclaporte> luciash: tks for work on import/export of language. How close/far are we for people to use Interactive translation and share back their enhancements with the community?
[15:20] <jonnyb> actually, i've changed my mind - let's do 5.1 RC 1 (otherwise i'm sure we would have to do 5.1 RC 2 :) )
[15:20] <xavi> ok, well thought :-)
[15:21] <jonnyb> ok, i now declare branches/5.x "officially" closed (if that's ok with everyone?)
[15:21] <xavi> ok
[15:21] <xavi> anyway, "muphy" will commit something, you know...
[15:22] <jonnyb> indeed
[15:22] * xavi playing with the new TikiLiveCD including Tiki6svn ;-)
[15:23] <jonnyb> i've done a mail to devels about no more commits in 5.x - could someone update http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit please?
[15:23] <jonnyb> so - here goes! :)
[15:24] * xavi updates
[15:29] <xavi> page upated
[15:30] <jonnyb> thanks
[15:30] <xavi> 4.x left out of the page (we encourage 3.x lts or latest stable branch, which is 5.x...)
[15:30] <jonnyb> good good - yes, 4.x is closed
[15:32] <jonnyb> ok, here we go...
[15:32] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28259 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Version to 5.1
[15:33] <chealer> jonnyb: I would have no problem with a final 5.1
[15:33] <chealer> i.e. I'm not too worried
[15:33] <jonnyb> 5.0 wasn't good enough - we should make sure this time (also it was generally agreed to do that in barcelona)
[15:35] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28260 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Version to 5.1RC1
[15:35] <jonnyb> also, this is my first release - already messed the version up! :)
[15:35] <chealer> jonnyb: I agree, but I think that's a lesson for Tiki 6. I want 5.0 to be replaced ASAP.
[15:36] <chealer> jonnyb: so you haven't figured out 5.0 telling you to upgrade 4.3?
[15:36] <chealer> jonnyb: so you haven't figured out 5.0 telling you to upgrade to 4.3?
[15:36] <jonnyb> yes, i needed to do ?forcecheck=y (or something)
[15:37] <marclaporte> so tiki-install.php should do forcecheck?
[15:37] <chealer> jonnyb: hum... that 5.0 site was upgraded from a pre-4.3 install?
[15:37] <jonnyb> was going to document it - or see why the installer doesn't make it happen
[15:37] <jonnyb> but agree that 5.1 needs to get out
[15:38] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28261 10/branches/5.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 5.1RC1
[15:38] * marclaporte cheers for 5.1
[15:39] <jonnyb> got an error in release.php while doing the lang files
[15:39] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28262 10/branches/5.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 5.1RC1
[15:39] <jonnyb> ignoring it for now (but have made a note)
[15:40] <sylvieg> jonnyb: did you change the release number because the script ask you ? or because you know?
[15:40] <jonnyb> it told me to
[15:40] * sylvieg trying to fix the question in http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release
[15:40] <sylvieg> ok thx
[15:41] <jonnyb> yes, it seems the $this->version needs to be the actual full version dusting (this time 5.1RC1 - no spaces)
[15:41] <sylvieg> and did it ask to change in _htaccess too?
[15:41] <jonnyb> and the same string needs to be in the tikiVersions() array
[15:42] <jonnyb> no, at least not yet
[15:42] <jonnyb> doing the stupid copyright file at the moment...
[15:43] <jonnyb> by the way, ricks99 - it looks like the revision range is 18261 to 23261 (according to this script)
[15:43] <chealer> yay, installer working on PHP 5.3.3
[15:44] <jonnyb> handy!
[15:45] <jonnyb> ricks99: hmm, maybe not - now it's looking at 13260 to 18260
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[15:46] <jonnyb> yes, it seems to be going back to the dawn of time...
[15:46] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r28263 10/trunk/ (31 files in 12 dirs): [ENH] Adding URL-Shortener functionality to socialnetworks and rename promote to share
[15:47] * ricks99 is sure that jonnyb will figure it all out :-)
[15:48] <ricks99> even just a guestimate is fine.500+ commits, 40+ contributors, etc
[15:49] <jonnyb> ricks99: have a look at r 28262 (the changes in changelog.txt)
[15:51] <sylvieg> do we still need to update http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version or is doen automatically now?
[15:51] <jonnyb> i'd guess it's a manual ftp thing (but don't know really)
[15:52] <jonnyb> 5 new committers apparently
[15:52] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28264 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.1RC1
[15:52] <chealer> sylvieg: it's manual AFAIK
[15:53] <chealer> jonnyb: anyway, I don't get the 4.3 upgrade notice in my 5.0 test site. let me know if you have more info on the problem.
[15:54] <jonnyb> jolly good - think it was just some legacy stuff on my old tiki
[15:54] <ricks99> changelog doesnt help me much :-(
[15:54] <jonnyb> we could/should add a "double check this" link to that message
[15:54] <ricks99> surely cant be too hard to find :
[15:54] <ricks99> 1. number of commits since last branch
[15:55] <ricks99> 2. number of unique usernames?
[15:55] <jonnyb> indeed - it should be added to release.php i think
[15:55] <ricks99> +1
[15:57] <sylvieg> 142 commits
[15:58] <jonnyb> i made it 141 ;)
[15:58] <ricks99> tx. how many contributors?
[15:58] <marclaporte> add ideas here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release#Improve_the_release_process
[15:59] <jonnyb> there are still some php errors reported here - only STRICT and DEPRECATED ones though, ok? (i'm ignoring them)
[16:00] <chealer> jonnyb: in the release scripts?
[16:00] <jonnyb> ik, check smarty templates has blown up (on tiki-mods.tpl)
[16:00] <sylvieg> 15 contributors
[16:00] <jonnyb> sorry chealer?
[16:01] <chealer> jonnyb: the PHP errors come from the release scripts or what?
[16:01] <jonnyb> oh sorry - yes
[16:04] <chealer> it beats my expectations if there's nothing more than STRICT and DEPRECATED
[16:04] <jonnyb> me too :D
[16:04] <chealer> never ran them but I fugre it's OK
[16:04] <chealer> figure
[16:04] <jonnyb> yes, the smarty check i think is more of a problem
[16:05] <jonnyb> i seem to remember for 4.0 we just skipped that bit
[16:05] <jonnyb> so skipping...
[16:05] <rotterdam> I'm trying to download the trunk by a graphic account of svn and it is asking username and password
[16:07] <sylvieg> rotterdam: are you a s tiki developper?
[16:08] <luciash> re
[16:08] <sylvieg> if yes checkout with your sf name - if no you can only do an export
[16:08] <luciash> yay, that's some activity here now, go jonny go :)
[16:09] <jonnyb> on to the secede thing now...
[16:09] <jonnyb> secede i mean
[16:09] <marclaporte> ggeller lost some commits between 5.0 and 5.1!  Name: George Geller  First Commit: 2003-12-07   Last Commit: 2005-11-30  -Number of Commits: 161   +Number of Commits: 159
[16:09] <luciash> marclaporte: well, i would say the translations can start right away now with latest 5.x branch
[16:09] <rotterdam> sylvieg, I will help translate into Portuguese
[16:10] <jonnyb> ach - auto spell check!!
[16:10] <luciash> :)
[16:10] <jonnyb> hmm, supposedly building packages now (think it broke)
[16:10] <sylvieg> rotterdam: are you lucasemanoel?
[16:11] <luciash> marclaporte: at least it seems to work flawlessly now with Chrome
[16:11] <rotterdam> sylvieg, yes
[16:11] <sylvieg> ah welcome = so use your sourceforge username
[16:11] <marclaporte> lucasemanoelrotterdam....
[16:11] <marclaporte> :-)
[16:12] <rotterdam> sylvieg, unfortunately sourceforge refused my nickname
[16:12] <luciash> rotterdam: brazil likez netherlands
[16:12] <rotterdam> hehehe
[16:12] <luciash> :)
[16:13] <rotterdam> luciash, rotterdam is my nickname because of the writer Erasmo
[16:15] <rotterdam> marclaporte, 2010-06 Marc Laporte Interview Espirito Livre Magazine
[16:15] <rotterdam> translate to Portuguese?
[16:15] <marclaporte> yes
[16:16] <rotterdam> on some page or on my computer?
[16:17] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28265 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki-secdb_5.1_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 5.1RC1
[16:20] <eromneg> jonny: been trying to follow the irc trail - but should the "check for updates" button be reporting 5.1 now?
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[16:20] <sylvieg> eromneg: no I think utnitl tikiwiki.org/version is updated
[16:21] <jonnyb> also this is a "pre" release so far
[16:21] <sylvieg> and I did not have anymore access to this server - need Oliver
[16:21] <jonnyb> apparently it's building the packages here now!
[16:22] <sylvieg> I like the apparently ;-)
[16:22] <sylvieg> no jonnyb your computer is stuck ;-)
[16:22] <rotterdam> marclaporte, on some page or on my computer?
[16:22] <eromneg> sylvie: thanks - but I've got a 4.0 site that is still just telling me to upgrade to 4.3 - should this at least report 5.0?
[16:23] <jonnyb> looks like it sylvieg 
[16:23] <sylvieg> eromneg: not sure about the logic there ...
[16:23] <sylvieg> need to check the code
[16:23] <jonnyb> eromneg: i had one this morning saying it was 5.0 but i should upgrade to 4.3!
[16:23] <jonnyb> so something's wrong in there
[16:24] <jonnyb> yay! my shell returned...
[16:24] <ricks99> it should report *both* - a major and minor update
[16:24] <jonnyb> and it's laid three lovely little tarballs!
[16:25] <ricks99> but a 3.x site should report only 3.x (minor) and 5.x (major) since 4.x is deprecated
[16:26] <eromneg> one of my 3.5 sites just says "A new stable major release branch is available." does give a number
[16:26] <eromneg> does not give a number
[16:27] <ricks99> imho, tiki should recommend 3.x -> 5.x -- NOT 3.x -> 4.x
[16:27] <ricks99> something to look at for tiki6
[16:27] <chealer> jonnyb: should the 5.0 file not be removed at the same time as the 5.1 secdb is added :-?
[16:28] <jonnyb> you'd think so
[16:28] <jonnyb> maybe not with a minor release
[16:28] <chealer> bbl
[16:29] * jonnyb admits he's never really understood the secdb thing
[16:30] <jonnyb> tarballs are gradually uploading - brb
[16:33] <luciash> the secdb thing should help compare if files were not modified since installation time (by some cracker's scripts, etc.) iirc
[16:33] <jonnyb> indeed, i've just never got past that bit :)
[16:33] <luciash> so it is only useful for end users, right ?
[16:34] <jonnyb> ok, first one's there: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.bz2
[16:34] * luciash grabbing that one
[16:34] <jonnyb> i'll do the zip one locally, even though that seems like cheating!
[16:35] <luciash> haha
[16:37] <RobertP> jonnyb, what is the procedure for a small fix after a release has been locked?
[16:37] <RobertP> :)
[16:38] <jonnyb> like what?
[16:38] <RobertP> s5, I need to update a small line of js.
[16:38] <RobertP> for it to work correctly.
[16:38] <RobertP> Where it is linked
[16:38] <jonnyb> i thought you were working in trunk, no?
[16:38] <RobertP> ah yes
[16:39] <RobertP> ok nevermind :)
[16:39] <jonnyb> phew! :)
[16:39] * xavi saw murphy comming, but luckily murphy went away
[16:39] <jonnyb> ok, here's the gzip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.gz
[16:39] <xavi> I get it
[16:40] <jonnyb> zip seems fine here but should be independently checked i guess - should be up soon
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[16:49] <jonnyb> ok (finally) here is the zip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.zip
[16:50] <jonnyb> i'm going to proceed with the proper release now (i.e. without the 'pre' bit) - i'm assuming (warning!) that the tarballs all have tiki 5.1 inside them?
[16:51] <jonnyb> yell quick if you find otherwise please!
[16:51] * ricks99 downloading the zip right now...
[16:53] <xavi> jonyb, the tar.gz has many more dirs inside
[16:53] <xavi> I wonder if this is intentionakl...
[16:53] <xavi> jonnyb ^
[16:53] <jonnyb> oh?
[16:54] <jonnyb> ah, stinky - it's done them in mac compatibility "mode"
[16:54] <jonnyb> how dull...
[16:54] <jonnyb> i'll fix
[16:57] <xavi> ok, good, this gives me some more time to install a full lampp stack on ,y computer (reinstalled the 64 bit version of linux a few days ago, and forgot to install lampp)
[16:58] * luciash extracting the bz2
[16:58] <jonnyb> ok, re-uploading "cleaned" tarballs
[17:00] <jonnyb> luciash: you'll get a load of extra mac files in there, sorry - new ones on their way
[17:00] <luciash> oh, in the bz2 as well ?
[17:00] <luciash> didn't spotted
[17:00] <jonnyb> they all start with a . so might not show up
[17:01] <luciash> bz2 doesn't sem to have them
[17:01] <luciash> i see .htaccess but no mac files or folders there
[17:02] <ricks99> my brand new 5.1rc1 install seems to b very smooth
[17:02] <xavi> jonnyb, the extra folders I see are not hidden, but full folders
[17:02] <xavi> i.e.: Zend, Service, lib, core
[17:02] <jonnyb> like what xavi?
[17:02] <xavi> like this file: UpdateConferenceTemplateParticipantResponse.php from this directori:
[17:02] <jonnyb> they should be in /lib
[17:03] <xavi> Zend/Service/DeveloperGarden/Response/ConferenceCall
[17:03] * ricks99 wonders why he sees" Upgrading and running into encoding issues?" warning on a brand new install ??
[17:03] <luciash> heheh
[17:04] <jonnyb> xavi: i don't understand
[17:04] <xavi> ricks99: I presume because there more cases when the user is upgrading instead of just installing, and lph fed up ll possible cases
[17:04] <xavi> possibly
[17:04] <xavi> s/II/with
[17:04] <ricks99> i understand, but for a new install, there should not b the warning, no?
[17:05] * luciash installing
[17:05] <xavi> yes. however, how do you know at the end if you run into a clean install or upgrade?
[17:06] <xavi> jonnyb: try uncompressing the tar.gz file
[17:06] <jonnyb> ok
[17:06] <ricks99> if u click INSTALL = clean install, right?
[17:07] <xavi> ricks99: yes
[17:08] <jonnyb> xavi - so files with long filenames seem to be missing for you, yes?
[17:08] * luciash forgot to translate the utf-8 installer step :-p
[17:09] * luciash notes
[17:09] <ricks99> which UTF should my db be? utf_8_general_ci?
[17:09] <xavi> jonnyb: nope. there are extra folders and files for me
[17:09] <jonnyb> hmmm, this doesn't seem good
[17:09] <xavi> at the same level as the tikipre folder
[17:10] <luciash> "Úspěšně provedené operace instalace: 6432 SQL dotazů." :)
[17:10] <jonnyb> maybe the mac zipping until is weird
[17:10] <sylvieg> I was 4.1 it told me 4.3 and major exists - I upgraded to 4.3 ... no more message :-( (missing the major)
[17:11] <luciash> ricks99: i think you shouldn't care about that, the installer does that ;)
[17:11] <jonnyb> until/util 
[17:11] * ricks99 wonders if his phpadmin is messed up. by default, any new db i create is latin1-sweedish? wtf?
[17:11] * jonnyb switches off auto-correct 
[17:12] <jonnyb> no ricks99 - that' the mysql default
[17:12] <ricks99> @luchiash: the installer doesn't create the db? i though i had to do it first?
[17:12] <luciash> jonnyb: installation in czech was succesfully completed
[17:13] <jonnyb> can someone else have a look at the gzip one, seems ok to me
[17:13] <jonnyb> thx luciash 
[17:13] <luciash> ricks99: ah, ok, then i didn't care any my mysql create database tiki51; did it ;)
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[17:14] <luciash> i have utf-8 default i think, genereal_ci seems the best choice
[17:14] <ricks99> im confused. are we saying that tiki5.1 will create the db for you as part of the installer?
[17:14] <luciash> ricks99: nope, sorry, i misunderstood
[17:15] <jonnyb> yes, utf8_bin is a bit weird, i'd avoid that one (everything seems to come out of the db as encoded binary)
[17:15] * ricks99 wonders if he is the only one who will be overly confused by the warnings?
[17:16] <jonnyb> has anyone else found the gz to be bad?
[17:16] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28266 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.1RC1
[17:16] <jonnyb> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.gz
[17:17] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r28267 10/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[17:17] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [ENH] User account settings for URL shortener
[17:17] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Typo in tiki-bot_bar.tpl when renaming promote to share
[17:17] * sylvieg found out my no more complain about 5 - check frequency is a week - need only to forcecheck
[17:18] <xavi> jonnyb: no problem. using comand line, I saw the tar.gz fine, with no extra files
[17:18] <luciash> bbl
[17:18] <xavi> krusader or ark in 64bits might be buggy
[17:19] <xavi> going to test the install right now (got lampp installted)
[17:19] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r28268 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] A few fixes for the menu used at the bottom of s5 presentations.
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[17:19] <jonnyb> ok, let's hope so
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[17:25] <xavi> yes, I agree with ricks99: step 8 in installer with a clean install would be nicer if it didn't show the "upgrading and running into encoding issues? ... "Dangerous: Fix double encoding"
[17:25] <xavi> anyway, installer went fine for me
[17:26] <jonnyb> ok, i'm at the "tag release" stage here
[17:26] <jonnyb> shall i go for it?
[17:26] <ricks99> and I wonder about "01Dangerous: Fix double encoding" does that mean the fix is dangerous?
[17:26] <jonnyb> (suggest we fix the misplaced encoding message for 5.2)
[17:26] <xavi> minor issue: language.js seems not to work for me
[17:27] <xavi> I did the install in catalan, and the javascript message of password strength is in english, even if I translated and commited
[17:27] <jonnyb> so should we postpone? i'm not sure when i'll be able to donate another day next
[17:27] <xavi> minor issue. so , +1 to release as is right now
[17:27] <jonnyb> (i.e. someone else will have to do it)
[17:28] <jonnyb> so no blockers?
[17:28] <ricks99> how hard to fix?
[17:28] * ricks99 off to add as a known issue in the rel notes, in that case
[17:28] <jonnyb> more the question is: who has 6 hours to start all this release process just for this?
[17:28] <xavi> +1 jonnyb
[17:29] <xavi> thanks ricks99 for adding this tiny issue at the release notes
[17:29] <jonnyb> these issues have been in 5.x for a long time, they should wait for 5.2 i think
[17:29] <jonnyb> remember, this is still only RC1
[17:29] <jonnyb> several hour left to go...
[17:29] <xavi> yes, jonnyb, you are right: go for rc1!
[17:29] <jonnyb> hours 
[17:30] <jonnyb> here goes
[17:30] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28269 10/tags/5.1RC1/: [REL] Tagging release
[17:37] <ricks99> see updated release noes: http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes5.1
[17:37] <ricks99> no new featuers? only updates & fixes?
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[17:39] <ricks99> bbl
[17:40] <jonnyb> ok, new non-pre tarballs uploading for testing (of shall i just upload them to sf.net?)
[17:40] <jonnyb> s/of/or
[17:41] <xavi> no idea. for minimum potential noise, I'll test again
[17:41] <jonnyb> thanks xavi 
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[17:46] <jonnyb> ok - bz2 is cooked: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.tar.bz2
[17:47] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28270 10/trunk/ (lib/setup/twversion.class.php tiki-admin.php): [MOD]version: add the number of the major new release
[17:47] <xavi> there I go for tar.bz2
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[17:55] <chealer> xavi: I think language.js is not used yet
[17:55] <chealer> or it's very recent
[17:56] <jonnyb> yes, not really used yet (but i thought i worked on the password strength strings)
[17:56] <jonnyb> in Spanish and Catalan at least
[17:57] <xavi> yes, it did work for me
[17:57] <jonnyb> gzip up: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.tar.gz
[17:57] <xavi> and very recently added by jonnyb
[17:57] <sylvieg> testing the gzip
[17:57] <jonnyb> i thought it was only in trunk... obviously not
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[17:57] <jonnyb> thx sylvieg 
[18:02] * jonnyb curses his lamentable upload speed
[18:03] <xavi> fyi: utf-8 of the db not set properly, I'm afraid. My first install was a clean install on a new db...
[18:03] <xavi> db created through phpmyadmin, and usually get latin1
[18:04] <xavi> I did run the installer with the forece utf-8 for new installations, the first time
[18:04] <jonnyb> really? you created it with latin1 i guess
[18:04] <xavi> everything when fine, parently
[18:04] <jonnyb> did you try the 'fix it' button (the first one)
[18:04] <xavi> and nowadays, I'm testing the 5RC1, over the same db
[18:04] <jonnyb> zip is here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.zip
[18:04] <xavi> and when installing it, I provide same db details: username, db, etc.
[18:05] <xavi> and I see then the "convert db and tables to utf-8"
[18:05] <chealer> xavi: oh OK, I'll try checking
[18:05] <jonnyb> i also checked the new zip locally - no sign of any funny Mac files, so i'll start the upload to sf.net (can always remove them if anything really bad appears)
[18:05] <xavi> thus, I presume that previously was not set to utf-8 by the installed, even if the checkbox "utf-8" was selected at the installer
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[18:06] * sylvieg was also frighten with the encoding warning - but I went through with no problem
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[18:08] * sylvieg does not remember what happens the the translation of the first page / homepage
[18:09] <sylvieg> I though some time ago it was translated...
[18:09] <jonnyb> i thought so too sylvieg 
[18:10] <jonnyb> i did get an error in the release script on the update lang files part though
[18:10] <sylvieg> the rest is correctly translated
[18:11] <jonnyb> Warning:  unlink(temp/permstrings.tpl): No such file or directory in /Users/jonny/5.x_release/doc/devtools/release.php on line 118
[18:11] <jonnyb> but then it says: >> Language files updated and temporary files removed.
[18:11] <jonnyb> so i guess it was really ok
[18:12] <sylvieg> there is not tranlstaion of the homepage in the language.php
[18:12] <sylvieg> so probably somebody changed it
[18:12] <sylvieg> .... I supopose we need a lag/fr/homeapge
[18:13] <jonnyb> or do it from a profile?
[18:13] <xavi> jonnyb, everything went fine here, beyond that minor wrong info about db encoding
[18:14] <jonnyb> good, thanks - the bz2 is on it's way to sf.net
[18:14] <sylvieg> xavi do you know something about the homepage translation ( I did not begin in install in fr - I did only after the switch)
[18:14] <xavi> "after the switch"?
[18:14] <sylvieg> mine is fine also teh tar.gz
[18:15] <xavi> if you do it in a local language, the homepage should be in that lang (provided it's translated in language.php, of course)
[18:15] <xavi> testing right now with catalan again
[18:15] <sylvieg> I entered tiki - goto i18n change lang to fr
[18:15] <sylvieg> but homepage did not changed
[18:15] <xavi> ah, no, then. it seems to be fetched at installation time from language.php, afaik
[18:15] <jonnyb> HomePage is set in the installer, i think 
[18:16] <xavi> sylvieg, the behavior you explain would be even better , but minor issue, imho
[18:16] <sylvieg> so it is because I switch too late in the instal
[18:16] <jonnyb> i seem to remember if you remove the homepage it makes a new on (in the right lang, one would hope)
[18:17] <xavi> yes, I confirm it works if you do the whole installation in your language
[18:17] <sylvieg> +1 jony - it works
[18:17] <xavi> well, at some point, due to the utf-8 fix buttons, language is lost, afair
[18:18] <xavi> ok, did run out of time here. congrats for the release, jonnyb-release-manager! :-)
[18:18] <jonnyb> :D
[18:18] <jonnyb> (hopefully)
[18:18] <xavi> see you all
[18:18] <jonnyb> thanks for your help
[18:19] <xavi> a pleasure I could help a bit
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[18:34] <sylvieg> is there something else I can do for the release ?
[18:36] <luciash> re
[18:36] <jonnyb> just waiting for the files to upload
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[18:36] <jonnyb> i'm having to use the web interface as i didn't seem to have the right perms via sftp
[18:36] <luciash> oh, yes, now i noticed... my homepage is translated to czech after installation was done in czech. but there seems to be some problem with encoding on that page
[18:37] <jonnyb> it might have died...
[18:37] <luciash> i get ?? instead of correct utf-8 chars
[18:38] <chealer> luciash: on a fresh 5.1 RC1? :-/
[18:38] <luciash> yes
[18:38] <jonnyb> bleh
[18:38] <luciash> but not all accented chars, only some of them
[18:38] <jonnyb> in a utl-8 db?
[18:38] <jonnyb> utf
[18:38] <luciash> surprysingl ž, š, and í are displayed correctly
[18:39] <luciash> *surprisingly
[18:39] <luciash> hmm, let me check
[18:39] <luciash> i thought the language translation doesn't depend on db by default tho
[18:41] <luciash> interface is correct, just the homapage content, so, hmm, maybe you're right, i didn't create the db properly maybe
[18:41] <jonnyb> check the encoding of the lang.php file?
[18:42] <luciash> what is the command to check encoding of the db in mysql console ?
[18:42] <jonnyb> you can see it on phpmyadmin
[18:42] <jonnyb> on the "variables" page
[18:43] <luciash> no phpmyadmin here :-p, just console mysql
[18:44] <jonnyb> google "select like charset" - it's something involving that
[18:44] <luciash> ah, got it
[18:44] <luciash> tried status;
[18:44] <luciash> seems it is my fault, sorry, it is latin1 there
[18:45] <luciash> i will try to re-run installer and update and fix to utf-8
[18:46] * jonnyb fears we haven't seen the last of the charset business
[18:46] <luciash> ricks99: you were doing much more clever job than me believing my db is utf-8 ready ;)
[18:47] <jonnyb> ok, got proper sftp to sf.net working (after re-reading the instructions)
[18:47] <luciash> jonnyb: hopefully the encoding issue gets fixed by the installer now
[18:47] <jonnyb> seems not though, for you?
[18:49] <chealer> luciash: the interface translation doesn't depend on the DB but the content translation (kind of the case here) does
[18:50] <luciash> hmm, got E_WARNING too after installation
[18:51] <luciash> Missing argument 13 for sendWikiEmailNotification(), called in /home/luci/Development/tiki51/lib/tikilib.php on line 4587 and defined
[18:52] <luciash> chealer: yeah, just realized that
[18:53] <luciash> it occurs when i set no sender email in installer imho
[18:54] <chealer> luciash: sounds like a pre-existing issue
[18:54] <luciash> jonnyb: yeah, re-run the installer, fixed the encoding issue, switched to cz, reinstalled db and now the content is correctly in proper utf-8
[18:55] <jonnyb> nice
[18:55] <jonnyb> can you add anything to the release notes on this?
[18:55] <luciash> for fresh installation it is pretty nice to be able to do that via installer
[18:55] <luciash> yea
[19:11] <jonnyb> ok, the files are on sf.net at last
[19:11] <jonnyb> https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/
[19:19] <ricks99> @jonnyb: is 5.1 "done"?
[19:20] <jonnyb> hi ricks99 - 5.1 RC 1 is
[19:20] <ricks99> "RC"- K.
[19:21] <ricks99> how long do we plan until final?
[19:21] <jonnyb> can you sanity check one for me pls?  https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/
[19:21] <ricks99> trying to decide if it is worth a news reelase
[19:21] <jonnyb> depends if everyone likes this one, i guess
[19:21] <ricks99> grabbing the zip....
[19:21] <jonnyb> no, let's test a bit more pls
[19:22] <ricks99> k but i want to do a mini annoucement for wider testing
[19:23] <jonnyb> sounds good
[19:25] <luciash> goddamnit ! :(
[19:25] <luciash> wtf ?
[19:26] <luciash> i edited the page like mad to add to the releae notes, want to add remarksbox so i click the (?) help icon to find that plugin and instead of the jQueryUI popup all my content is gone :(
[19:26] <luciash> on tw.o :(
[19:27] <luciash> it really sucks
[19:27] <luciash> click for help does nothing but reload the edited page, grmbl >:(
[19:28] <jonnyb> yuk - sounds like a js error there (again)
[19:28] <luciash> jonnyb: sorry, i will not try to write it again to the releasenotes
[19:28] <jonnyb> check the js console
[19:29] <luciash> yeah, minified sucks
[19:31] <jonnyb> not minified - it's social networking again
[19:31] <jonnyb> ('twitter_update_list')' [null] is not an object
[19:31] <jonnyb> in blogger.js (again)
[19:31] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: How to edit text in upload dialog for one group of users - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37939
[19:31] <luciash> Uncaught ReferenceError: openEditHelp is not defined
[19:32] <luciash> tiki-editpage.php:219
[19:32] <luciash> then it reloads the page
[19:32] <jonnyb> yes, but first there is: TypeError: Result of expression 'document.getElementById('twitter_update_list')' [null] is not an object.
[19:33] <luciash> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'tooltips' of undefined
[19:33] <jonnyb> which then causes the rest of the js in the php file to fail
[19:33] <jonnyb> yes, all jquery is broken
[19:33] <luciash> ok
[19:33] <luciash> :(
[19:33] <jonnyb> solution is to debug http://twitter.com/javascripts/blogger.js (someone please!) or remove the twitter module
[19:35] <luciash> oh yea, also the CSS menu seems to be bugged (closes right away i move mouse from parent)
[19:36] <luciash> because of that
[19:36] <luciash> unassigning tiki tweets to see if it helps
[19:37] <luciash> c'mon
[19:38] <jonnyb> most of the tw.o sites have been broken like this in the past few weeks :(
[19:39] <jonnyb> ok, twitter thing gone, but error still there
[19:40] <jonnyb> try re-minifying?
[19:41] <luciash> hm, how to ?
[19:42] <jonnyb> clear public cache?
[19:42] <luciash> ah
[19:42] <luciash> Tiki cache ?
[19:42] <jonnyb> yy
[19:42] <jonnyb> or switch the pref off and on again
[19:43] <jonnyb> (then it won't do all the others... too late?)
[19:43] <luciash> nope :)
[19:43] <jonnyb> :)
[19:43] <luciash> my finger was on the button ;)
[19:44] <luciash> minify js off
[19:44] <luciash> try now ?
[19:44] <jonnyb> nice - errors all gone for me
[19:44] <jonnyb> (in safari)
[19:44] <luciash> minify on
[19:45] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Info: TopLink 5.1 RC1 Now Available - http://info.tikiwiki.org/article101-TopLink-5-1-RC1-Now-Available
[19:45] <jonnyb> ik - errors back :(
[19:45] <luciash> i told you minify sucks ;)
[19:45] <luciash> LOL, Tiki has gone renamed "TopLink" ?
[19:46] <jonnyb> svn up'ing there might help
[19:46] <luciash> ricks99: red alert ! ;)
[19:46] <jonnyb> it's two weeks out of date
[19:46] <ricks99> ARg
[19:46] <jonnyb> :P
[19:46] <luciash> ah yup, not having that svn upping credentials on my hand now
[19:46] <luciash> anyone ? 
[19:46] <luciash> sylvieg: ?
[19:46] <luciash> can u svn up tw.o ?
[19:47] <jonnyb> i think tw.o is an Oliver thing only afaik
[19:47] <luciash> aye
[19:47] <sylvieg> I do not have anymore access to tw.org
[19:47] <luciash> jonnyb: so i do js minify off now until svn upped, ok ?
[19:47] <jonnyb> i guess
[19:48] <jonnyb> if editing is broken it's pretty bad
[19:48] <luciash> yes, it really pissed me off, i tell you :-p
[19:48] <jonnyb> seems ok if not logged in for me
[19:48] <luciash> minify off again
[19:48] <jonnyb> have you switched minify off again? (could you put it back on for a few minutes)
[19:48] <luciash> (js minify to be more precise)
[19:48] <jonnyb> :D
[19:48] <luciash> hahaha
[19:49] <jonnyb> i want to find the actual offending bit of js
[19:49] <luciash> ok it is on now
[19:49] <ricks99> apologies, all :(
[19:49] <jonnyb> it's probably fixable by changing some prefs i feel
[19:49] <jonnyb> ta
[19:49] <luciash> goin to put the tweets module on for anonymous and registered again
[19:50] <luciash> ricks99: np, hopefully it didn't leak into many RSS feeds already ;)
[19:51] <luciash> s/RSS feeds/RSS readers/
[19:51] <ricks99> well, i deleted the article
[19:51] <ricks99> which now ve used a redirect insteadi realize, i should ha
[19:51] <ricks99> which now i realize i should have used a redirect instead
[19:52] <luciash> jonnyb: i enabled the tweets module, hopefuly it doesn't affect your debugging hunt
[19:52] <luciash> again
[19:52] <jonnyb> probably not
[19:53] <jonnyb> think i'm too tired to wrestle with minify stuff now, so better switch it off again for now
[19:54] <jonnyb> i wonder if any of the other tw.o sites have the same problem
[19:55] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Info: Tiki 5.1 RC1 Now Available - http://info.tikiwiki.org/article102-Tiki-5-1-RC1-Now-Available
[19:58] <luciash> ok
[19:59] <luciash> it can be combination of more things
[19:59] <luciash> (CDN of google, minify css there too)
[20:01] <jonnyb> indeed
[20:01] <jonnyb> i'll try and recreate it locally
[20:07] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r28271 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-quick_edit.tpl: [FIX] module quick edit: false condition gives wsod (fixes #28084)
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[20:16] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28272 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Installer: Don't show form to fix encoding on last page if it's a clean install.
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[21:03] <Walrus23> good morning/evening
[21:04] <Walrus23> i'm pretty new to tikiwiki, and i'm wanting to install the top horizontal menu for my site, and i'm completely lost
[21:08] <jonnyb> try admin/look & feel Walrus23 
[21:08] <Walrus23> ok
[21:09] <jonnyb> top bar -> menu
[21:09] <Walrus23> found it
[21:09] <Walrus23> thanks
[21:09] <Walrus23> it's early here, forgive me
[21:09] <jonnyb> it's late here - no worries
[21:10] <jonnyb> :)
[21:10] <Walrus23> lol
[21:10] <Walrus23> now i need to change what is on the bar
[21:10] <Walrus23> it isn't hard i'm sure
[21:11] <jonnyb> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Menu
[21:11] <Walrus23> lol
[21:11] <Walrus23> ok, i think i'll leave it till after my next coffee
[21:12] <jonnyb> good plan
[21:15] <Walrus23> bbl
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[21:41] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28273 10/branches/5.x/doc/devtools/release.php: 
[21:41] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: [FIX] Release script: Trap smarty template errors and ignore the one in tiki-mods.lib (can't see how to fix it, or why).
[21:41] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: Also do chdir() so it runs in the debugger as well.
[21:57] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Encoding issue after upgrading from 4.3 to 5.0 - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37940
[21:57] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28274 10/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 28257 to 28273
[21:57] <jonnyb> nite nite all
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[22:07] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Articles not appearing in Articles Home - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37941
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[22:51] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r28275 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_googlemap.php: [FIX] Do not put link if href is not available
[22:59] <CIA-65> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r28276 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Allow showing of google map with markers of results
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[23:01] <bbfoto> how do I debug a no login situation? I've spent the past 3 hrs poking around, and feel that it's a DB entry/pref somewhere that a user set last friday and now it broke monday morning
[23:02] <bbfoto> I've looked at what was found from google
[23:03] <bbfoto> !help
[23:03] <Tikiwiki|bot> You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .
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