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windows security update, I think. jonnyb: nice
feeling safer? chibaguy: not really. ;-) ***: Anna__ has joined #tikiwiki
Anna__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) luciash: polom jonnyb: polom luciash luciash: hi jonny ***: escamoteur has joined #tikiwiki escamoteur: Notice: this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"]
Hi, while user tried to post a reply to a forum post he got the following message
and his post was lost, any idea? chibaguy: hi luciash
escamoteur: what version of Tiki is that? escamoteur: the latest stable chibaguy: hm, I don't know.
That sounds kind of familiar.
But I don't have that version installed anywhere to test.
Did you google tikiwiki.org? maybe it came up in the forum. luciash: hi chibaguy
bbl, lunch time here escamoteur: When I try it everything works fine ***: Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away chibaguy: The tikiwiki.org forums were behaving strangely when the site was using 4.x, inconsistently for different users, like that. I'm not sure if the reason was found. escamoteur: hmmm, I just tried it as a different user, everything was fine, really strange and annoying ***: redflo has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: I guess if users can report details when it happens, like if they were writing a new post or replying to one, etc., maybe the pattern can be figured out. escamoteur: He was replying to an existting post chibaguy: ok. or maybe somebody else here has some ideas.
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=36043
http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-02-16,Tue&sel=380#l376
If it's the same problem, it should've been fixed. Maybe something else is going on. ***: test has joined #tikiwiki
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rotterdam has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) escamoteur: Hmm, it seems, the the links on my problems all relate to TikiWiki 4.4 and not 5 chibaguy: well, if you're still seeing the problem (or your users are) then maybe not enough people are using Tiki 5 yet for the problem to be reported. Or maybe there's something unusual about your installation. escamoteur: Seems so.
Now my user could reply to a post, but when I tried to edit it again he got the same message chibaguy: I would say keep track of all kinds of details, like which browser is used even. escamoteur: Perhaps later when our american friends are awake ;-) chibaguy: right. escamoteur: He is using FF 3.6.8 ***: white is now known as JoernOtt luciash: re Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: auto replace words with links to page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37958 chibaguy: ricks99, I assume you have to paste in your forum signature in every post. It would be good if Tiki forums had a signature option.
Seems like I saw little artifact of that, that never got implemented. luciash: chibaguy: it's there, but only for privileged users ;) chibaguy: wow, that's a shock. ;-) luciash: chibaguy: it is called dynamic variables -- %luci% ;) chibaguy: ah ha. privileged = brain is working. luciash: no, i mean, you have to be site admin or editor to get the perms chibaguy: (plus the permission) luciash: :) chibaguy: well, it should be a feature, I think. ricks99: forum sig... on the wish list I believe luciash: perhaps we could have a plugin alias to do that ricks99: also a way to "sign" wiki pages (ala wikipedias's ~~~ feature) chibaguy: that'd be good. then it could be anywhere. luciash: would {sig user=luci} do the trick ? chibaguy: it'd be good to have one verbose one for places like the forum post, and a short one for wiki editing, maybe. luciash: ah, u mean even easier without passing the user var, hmm, maybe yes, using plugin alias and some user tracker ricks99: @luci: no... users shouldnt be able to sign as someone else luciash: yea, i understand jonnyb: hi and bye all - need to focus, mail or skype me if you need me ***: jonnyb has quit IRC (Quit: I am going outside... I may be some time...) luciash: so, {sig} could do that ricks99: it can be hard-coded in the button bar luciash: theoretically ricks99: (i did that a while ago) luciash: i think LastMod plugin could be extended to do that
for wiki pages only though chibaguy: well, I think maybe there are two different needs. seems like for forum signatures there should be a textarea in my tiki prefs to enter text or an img src, etc. luciash: i see chibaguy: I'm not sure what is good for wiki pages, but something small it seems. ricks99: for furm sigs, would be nice to reuse the My Tiki > Notepad luciash: well, lastmod wouldn't work, hmm, because it would change the signature with every edit ricks99: be able to specify if a specific "note" as sig luciash: it would need to be something injecting hardcoded username in the page wiki code, to stay permanent
maybe just a toolbar icon could do the trick :)
while editing the page, click the sig icon, and voila :) chibaguy: perfect ricks99: @luciash. thats what i did earlier... luciash: the question is if it's possible to put the current user name in the icon params
ricks99: ah, nice ***: FrankP has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: see: http://tikiwiki.org/blogpost307 luciash: cool, i will have a look if current toolbars allow insert current user dynamically without need of editing tpl files ricks99: Q: is there a performance difference between using {img fileid=1} vs [dl1] luciash: ricks99: yes ricks99: which is better? luciash: [dl1] ricks99: so <img src=dl1 /> is good (performance wise) luciash: yes ricks99: perfect. tx luciash luciash: it is always faster not to parse ricks99: good to know ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki luciash: ricks99: don't forget the "" ;) CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28282 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
tikiwiki: [ENH] Tracker field admin: Add validation field to field list, and shorten column names to try and fit in fixed-width themes (almost).
tikiwiki: Also return to list after saving field details instead of showing new field form. ricks99: yup. escamoteur: Hi, while user tried to post a reply to a forum post he got the following message
Notice: this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"]
and his post was lost, any idea?
I use TikiWiki 5 CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r28283 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
tikiwiki: [ENH] Using css classes for authors in wikiplugin_author and in page-contribution statistics
tikiwiki: [FIX] Eliminiate NOTICEs and set default values for options in tiki-page-contribution.php ***: RavenC has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: escamoteur: I have seen before but dunno if it's solved
perhaps in 5.1
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maybe through some sort of tracker? ***: escamoteur has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) luciash: coaboa: maybe you can use a wizard type registration form (step by step) to register the children and two user trackers (one for parents and one for kids) using item link and items list type fields and categories coaboa: thx ***: yonixxxxx has joined #tikiwiki RavenC: oooooh! 5.1 RC1 !! Grats to all! ***: xavi has joined #tikiwiki xavi: polom ***: rotterdam has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
chibaguy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) coaboa: hi xavi: hi coaboa (Carsten, isn't it?) coaboa: yes, its me ;-) xavi: :-)
btw, coaboa (I was reading the backlog), the answer to your question "is there a way to generate/register a child-account-username...? " is "no, there isn't", afaik
maybe could be extended reusing the category transition feature. Once the parent add some object (tracker item) to a certain category, then the user (child) become a valid user? (just thinking loud)
in fact I don't really know whether this is possible or not... just remembered the "theory" about category transitions...
hth sylvieg: perhaps a datachannel can work (need to check if profile support user creation xavi: sylvieg: profile supports user creation, since jonnyb fixed that, afaik, recently -: xavi feels that he has sent too many emails to sylvieg in the last days.... sylvieg: for the notification - yes xavi I know that it will be great improvements ( I had them already in mind) - for the newsletter/group watch - I still do not understand xavi: newsletter... sylvieg , do you know that newsletters can use a wiki page as template? sylvieg: yes I think so... xavi: yes, I confirm, they can
the idea is, thus, that an admin prepares some template (based on a wiki page with last_traccker_items and upcoming_events plugins, for instance) sylvieg: people I know usually reuse the last newsletter .. xavi: and every xxx days, that newsletter is sent to groups of users
"reuse last newsletter": that's fine for static text, and for sending manually sylvieg: I like the idea - a lot lot more than group watch - see my last email xavi: your last email... didn't read it, there I go to check email chealer: polom coaboa: hi chealer: hi xavi. regarding the JavaScript translation issue yesterday, on which branch did you find the problem? xavi: 5x. in trunk it's working, and in 5x from a week or so, it's working also
chealer ^ chealer: xavi: hum, so this translation system was backported to 5.x :-? xavi: yes, if not by jonnyb, then by me (in some hectic-working day)
it's working here: http://gavarrespedia.org/tiki-register.php (Catalan site, based on Tiki 5 revision something)
sylvieg, I read the email CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28284 10/trunk/tiki-setup.php: [MOD] JS: Use non-minified validate lib when minify is off (will be minified like the rest if the feature is on). xavi: group watch has an "unwatch" (through the plugin "subscribegroup") CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28285 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] Tracker plugin: Use tracker_item_field_input.tpl like other fields for user type 1 fields so the description also appears. chealer: xavi: works for me xavi: glad to know, chealer. you mean language.js in 5x? CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28286 10/trunk/lib/ (validators/validator_distinct.php validatorslib.php): [FIX] Validator distinct: Exclude current itemId from values and use message param for the message if supplied. chealer: xavi: yes xavi: you get the strings translated into another lang which have them translated?
ok chealer: yes xavi: it didn't work for me yesterday in tiki5rc1 chealer: xavi: the backport is buggy though (see r27956) CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28287 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_input.tpl: [FIX] Tracker inputs: Add id's for missing field types so validation will work on them (email, url, numeric & small textarea) j0n3: byeee ***: j0n3 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) coaboa: is there an option to enlarge the fontsize eg in 3 steps. eg 16, 18, 20 px?
or do i have to generate 3 css file and switch between
*files luciash: grab the widget from somewhere and put it in your custom code in look'n'feel
google for it, should be possible via JS coaboa: oki thx luciash: Tiki doesn't have font size chooser implemented coaboa: got one, try it thx for the hint yonixxxxx: ... A spider just get into my laptop... what is the feature "get rid of it" name in tikiwiki ? :D ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) xavi: mmm, any idea when the new branch proposals/5.x will be created?
or how this needs to be created?
chealer? ^ CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28288 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerfilter.php: [FIX] Trackerfilter: Stop plugin export mode conflicting with normal tracker view/admin export filters display. ***: xavi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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rotterdam has joined #tikiwiki CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r28289 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] See bug 2257, re-introduced support for minor=y|n in the last_modif_pages module. Default = y (no change for existing using). Use of "n" requires the Wiki pref, "allow minor edits" to be enabled. chealer: xavi: apparently when 5.1 is released xavi: ah, ok (not in rc time, good catch)
thanks, chealer
chealer, see pm
anybody have any idea how to customize the emails sent from tracker item (from the watch feature)
? ricks99: templates/styles/mail xavi: yes, ricks99, thanks. but I looked there, and I don't understand the logic to add the markup/style/content to the tracker item data sent in the email
I saw the tpl, but no idea how to split which fields to include and which not
bbl ***: escamoteur has joined #tikiwiki chealer: ricks99: minor modifs aren't that simple ricks99: ? i did some testing and seemed ok. the vversion_modif column in the pages table determins if the last edit was minor, and which rev chealer: ricks99: I tried fixing last_modif_pages last year and gave up. what really needs to be done is to implement a sort by last "major" edit in tikilib->list_pages() escamoteur: I encounter with TikiWiki 5 a strange behaviour: Only one of my users gets the message
Notice: this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"]
when replying to a forum thread or to edit one of his posts chealer: ricks99: with the r28289, doing a minor edit on a page will make that page disappear from last_modif_pages, for example ricks99: *if minor=y
that was the point
i dont want minor changes showing in last changes chealer: ricks99: unfortunately I lost what I had done in a reinstall. unless you *really* want that feature, I'd recommend to remove minor modifs support again
ricks99: yes, I understand the point of the option, but the implementation is much more complicated than r28289 escamoteur: I was not able to reproduce it with one of my users ricks99: not sure i understand. minor edits ar alrady flagged as such (with the ver #) in the db. all i did was filter them in the tpl
someone else did the "hard" part alrady chealer: ricks99: yes, I fixed the ability to distinguish minor edits last year. then I went on to fix last_modif_pages, but realized it was really hard
...unless you write a function that specifically deals with minor changes, just for last_modif_pages ricks99: in my local testing it worked well. chealer: what's hard is to return the list of changes sorted by last major edit date
ricks99: did you test the above? ricks99: thats better of course, all im doing is filterint ght list
y. when minor=y, they are shown, when minor=n the are not shown,
requires wiki pref allow minor edit
the returned array still includes evertyhing chealer: ricks99: no, I mean, did you test "doing a minor edit on a page will make that page disappear from last_modif_pages, for example"? ricks99: yes, *if* minor=y in the module
that was the whole point
or have i misuderstood you? chealer: ricks99: if minor=n ricks99: d'oh. y. that's what i meant chealer: ricks99: r28289 doesn't break existing module assignments, but a new module with minor=n wouldn't behave correctly
ricks99: do you agree that with minor=n, a minor modification shouldn't affect what last_modif_pages lists? ricks99: n
when minor=n, minor edits should *not* be shown
minor=y (default) minor edits *are* shown
do u follow? chealer: ricks99: the thing is, last_modif_pages doesn't display edits
it displays pages
if it was to display edits, things would be very simple ricks99: no... i'm not explaining this right.....
currently last_modif_pages lists every page that was edited. chealer: yes ricks99: if minor=n, pages hat were last saved as a "minor edit" will *not* be shown
thats all chealer: currently meaning, in Tiki 5, say ***: rig has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: do u understand now? chealer: ricks99: exactly. and that's not what the option is supposed to do.
the option is simply supposed to ignore minor modifications ricks99: says who? the docs inidcate that is exactly the intent
yes. minor modifications = user used the SAVE AS MINOR EDIT option rig: hello?
hlp plz... chealer: ricks99: not really. the doc says "Include "minor" changes in the listing." ricks99: yes. rig: HELLO!? ricks99: if minor = y, pages taht were last saved as a MINOR EDIT will appear in the listing chealer: which is in fact misleading, since the module doesn't display changes or edits.
ricks99: yes. minor=y is not the problem, it works fine. ricks99: the module shows pages.
i want to show all pages *except* those that were saved as minor edits chealer: ricks99: not really. you want to ignore minor edits. which doesn't mean you don't want pages with a last edit being a minor edit showing. ricks99: don't see the difference chealer: ricks99: yeah, let's take an example. you have pages Foo and Bar
both have 1 major edit and no minor edits. bar was the last one edited.
you have last_modif_page with minor=n. the shows "1. Bar 2. Foo ...more".
ricks99: right? ricks99: correct chealer: ricks99: what do you think should happen if I do a minor edit on Bar? rig: Im using tiki 1.9 and with the mittwoch theme i tried to enable "articles" from admin features bu t all i get now is a blank page with only the theme part showing every module just dissapeared
help..... ricks99: if minor=y no change. if minor=n, then 1. foo more... rig: !help Tikiwiki|bot: You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot . chealer: ricks99: we're talking about minor=n. if you really expect Bar to disappear, you have a very strange use case. ricks99: @rig: 1.9 is quite old (current is 5.0). have you teid the forums.
@chealer: my use case:
if I make a "mior" edit to a page, (such as fixing a typo). I do NOT want to "showcase" the page in the last changes module rig: yeah they dont have any thing on this... (1.9 is ooooold) chealer: ricks99: if this is really what you want, feel free to do it, but it needs a very clear documentation. ricks99: @chealer: again, the intention is to "hide" minorly edited pages from showing in the last changes module
doc says this... chealer: ricks99: well that's not exactly what r28289 does neither. it hides pages which have a minor edit as their last edit. ricks99: "minor = y|n" determines if minor edited pages are shown in the listing ***: rig has left ricks99: doc was already like that -- i *did not* update thee odc page
i dont understand ur usecase chealer: ricks99: not exactly. a page will still show, unless its last edit was a minor edit.
ricks99: I'm talking about the option description (in mod-func-last_modif_pages.php) ricks99: "01a page will still show, unless its last edit was a minor edit." thats the whole point chealer: ricks99: my use case for last_modif_pages would be to see the pages which most recently had a "major" change.
it's not my point, but again, feel free to do it if the description is clear. ricks99: clearer if i change it to: If set to "n", pages that were last saved as a "minor" edit will NOT be included in the list of pages. This option applies only when using the Wiki Minor Edits option.'
does that make it easier to understand? chealer: ricks99: yes, but you'd also need a clear name.
ricks99: for the formulation, I would prefer "This option applies only when Wiki Minor Edits is enabled.
"
or "the Wiki Minor Edits option" as you wrote ricks99: k. apologies for the confusion. i'll update the param description CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r28290 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-last_modif_pages.php: [DOC] Updated description of the "minor" parameter to make it clearer. Option specifies whether or not wiki pages that were last saved as a "minor edit" are included in the list of pages. Tx 2 chealer -: ricks99 hopes that is clearer. :-) chealer: ricks99: I disagree with the name "Include minor edits"
ricks99: I would expect that to mean "Consider minor edits", but that's not what it does. ***: yoni has joined #tikiwiki
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yonixxxxx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) luciash: xavi: i have created one custom mail tpl for Tiki 4, i can have a look if you stil need some hint ***: escamoteur has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) luciash: xavi: for tracker ***: listerine has left "Saindo" ricks99: @chealer: i dont see the differnece. minor = y means consider pages that were last saved as minor edit for inclusion ni the listing xavi: back
yes, luciash, please
bbl luciash: ok, i will catch you on skype ***: ricks99_ has joined #tikiwiki xavi: dinner time here
if you can send me an email, if would be perfect
I won't be online much more today luciash: ok, i will send it by mail (the tpl)
enjoy your dinner :) chealer: ricks99: yes, but that's way too complicated to be summarized as "Consider minor edits". One would expect that with "Consider minor edits", all minor edits would be considered, while with "Consider minor edits" Off, all minor edits would not be considered. ***: ricks99 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ricks99_: minor = y, minor edits are included // minor = n, minor edits are not included ***: ricks99_ is now known as ricks99 chealer: ricks99: first of all, "minor edits are included" is misleading. the module includes pages, not edits. They could be included in an internal list, but the user is not supposed to know that. ricks99: the issue is wheter or not to include a page that was last saved as a minor edit
all i need is a way to dteremine y|n if pages that were last saved as a minor edit should be shown in the list chealer: ricks99: that's *your* issue, yes (not what the original parameter meant) ricks99: sorry for being so dense.. what was the orgiinal intent? chealer: ricks99: the original intent is to ignore minor edits. if one does a minor edit, the contents of last_modif_pages is unchanged if minor=n. ricks99: ahh...
so if a page was listed as #3, you want it to remain as #3 in the list
i understand now
yes, that is a *much* bigger job chealer: ricks99: yes ricks99: mine was a simple tweak to stop page #3 from moving to the top of the list
i understand now. that would b a refinement of my tweak
no? chealer: ricks99: yeah, but doing so, it actually disappears from the list ricks99: y. because im not actually chaging the array. just skipping it
quick & easy :-) chealer: ricks99: well, as I wrote, I tried doing that last year and left the work unfinished (after over a day of attempts/failures, little progress)
so it would be quite a refinement ricks99: agreed chealer: unless, as I wrote, you'd write a function specifically for last_modif_pages (but I'm not sure this is as easy/good as it sounds) ricks99: persoannly, i think my tweak is an easy middle ground (the minro edited page does not move to #1, but as you point out it is removed entirely
really need a new module: last_major_changes chealer: ricks99: last_major_changes sounds as hard as last_modif_pages with minor=n to me ricks99: if you take "minor=n" to mean "show no minor edited pages" it makes sense
when minor =n, *no* minor edits will be shown in the list at all.
really need a tri-state: y=show minor edits as regular edit, n=show no pages with minor, and XX=shown minor edits, but use date of last major
so as soon as you finish up the XX option, it is done. ;-)
sorry it took me so long to understand. i didnt realize there were 3 possiblities chealer: ricks99: that doesn't make sense to me. I don't see any use case for excluding page that had a minor edit from the ranking.
s/page/pages/ ***: xavi has left ricks99: user wants to see the last five changed pages *except* if the page's change was a minor change
user does not want minorly edited pages cluttering up the listing chealer: ricks99: not me anyway. If the last 10 "major" modifications were on Bar, I want to see Bar at the top of the ranking. even if the last edit on Bar was an eleventh edit which was minor. ricks99: y. sounds like u want a different module: last_major_modif_pages
to me, this is different than last_modif_pages
in ur example, will the alt text for bar show the date of the 10th or 11th edit? chealer: ricks99: not really. I want the old last_modif_pages, but working if I put minor=n.
(old: over a year ago) ricks99: k. (never new it worked that way) chealer: ricks99: if minor=n, I guess it should show the date of the 10th edit, although it shouldn't present it as the page's last modification page. ricks99: see. i think that's confusing. to show last modify on X (10th edit) when it isi reallyl Y (11th edit)
anyway, ive got to sign off. if u want me to roll back, i will, and i'll re-submit with a completely different para. ***: ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Get more help: Tiki for Smarties http://twbasics.keycontent.org and Tiki Essentials http://twessentials.keycontent.org)
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OK, perhaps just slow ***: eromneg has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716])
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MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: chealer: there is a module mod-last_youtube_playlist_videos.php without the func?? Does it work? ***: Kissaki has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
Kissaki has joined #tikiwiki chealer: sylvieg: I didn't notice it, but I guess it does. old-style modules are still supported. the plan would be to drop support with the upcoming Admin Modules revamp though. sylvieg: :-) ***: rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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