#tikiwiki 2010-08-16,Mon

ricks99

correct.

jonnyb

i'm guessing that's just wrong - so i'll fix it (in trunk) - ok?

ricks99

(and no translate button, i believe)

jonnyb

no translate seems ok
cos it's only one page
i do see a "make structure" button, which is a bit pointless i think

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ricks99

agree

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jonnyb

also it's probably best not to have attach file there

ricks99

ricks99 thinks it would be great if the sandbox wasn't hardcoded as "Sandbox"

jonnyb

i suppose now perms work we could use any page...

ricks99

thats what i do
"Test" page makes much more sesne to noobies --

j0n3

how do you import data to trackers?

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ricks99

just my $.02

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jonnyb

indeed - most people here (UK) don't know what a "sandbox" is
jonnyb realises he has bigger fish to fry today

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ricks99

ricks99 also thinks that there shouldn ot be a tiki_p_edit perm check on the sandbox page. any/everyone shoudl be able to edit it, thats the point of te sandbox

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jonnyb

j0n3: tiki-admin_trackers.php?trackerId=1&cookietab=3

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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28527 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (18 files in 9 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28503 to 28526

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jonnyb

that's what i thought, ricks99

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Tikiwiki|bot

Info: Calling All Translators! - http://info.tikiwiki.org/article106-Calling-All-Translators

[10:43]

jonnyb

worked it out anyway: http://alcns.net/tiki-editpage.php?page=sandbox is now open for business! :)

[10:43]

j0n3

jonnyb: I've made csv import but as I see on db, items were created but not item_fields (data)
i mean tiki_tracker_items have created items...

[10:56]

jonnyb

usually the only way i can get the format right is to export a few, and use that as a template

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j0n3

that's what i did...
you set manually itemId or let db autoassign it, as it's autoincremental...
?
I've ommited some fields as they are blank...
boh
now reading "not compatible with office 2007"
let's try with openoffice :S
i'm a big noob :(

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Tikiwiki|bot

New Forum Posts: Tracker plugin and fields - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38101

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fabricius|away

polom

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fabricius

I´d need to extend the maximum size of upload files - where I can find a documentation on this issue, or who knows how to?

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jonnyb

it's in your php.ini on the server

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ricks99

see tiki faqs for the specifics

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xavi

ricks99: hi. the last tw.o forum post is for you; something related to some css(html issue in plugin tracker, when mandatory fields are shown
I feel is right in the core of some of your expertise's

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Tikiwiki|bot

New Forum Posts: wiki info box - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38103

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ricks99

the "cave data entry" thingy?
looking

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fabricius

thx jonnyb and ricks99

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xavi

ricks99: yes
I posted some extra info which I knew

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ricks99

looks like an issue with mandatory + pretty tracker template

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fabricius

I do not find the location of the php.ini (tiki 5.0)
any idea in wich folder?

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ricks99

should be in your web root. (this is *not* a tiki file)

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luciash

polom

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jonnyb

hi luciash

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luciash

ricks99: thanks for the "Calling All Translators"
hi jonnyb

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ricks99

my please (and polom to you)
my pleasure
*sigh* more coffee

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luciash

*g*
luciash just starts his monday with first one

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xavi

jonnyb, how difficult would it be to add a toolbar to the import/export tracker fields in trunk?
I mean to do it myself...
mainly to dogfood search and replace button

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jonnyb

just add the right {toolbars blah blah} tag to the tpl - shouldn't be too hard

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xavi

ok, I'll try, thanks :-)

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xavi

ok, jonnyb, I must be missing something. the tiki-admin_tracker_fields.tpl text area (in tab3) didn't have an "id" set, so that I added one, and added the {toolbars bla bla} above, like as follows:
second line was wrong on irc (?). I try again:
ok, that's it
around line 242 in tiki-admin_tracker_fields.tpl

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jonnyb

looks ok - why comments=y?

xavi

but no change
comments=y, to see initially the same toolbar as in comments

jonnyb

and have you set up a toolbar for tracker comments secion?
ok, sounds right

xavi

well, I don't want that toolbar, it was just a test
at the end, I'll add a simple toolbar with just search and replace, probably

jonnyb

looks fine to me

xavi

but step by step
"and have you set up a toolbar for tracker comments secion?"?
where do I set up that?

jonnyb

toolbars admin

xavi

can't I just reuse the same toolbar as in comments?

jonnyb

it's use the global one anyway

xavi

well, ok, there I go

jonnyb

sorry - it'll use...

xavi

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luciash

chibaguy: polom, new Tiki site in the making using layout shadows ;)
(and typeface.js again)

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xavi

hi luciash and sylvieg

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sylvieg

hi xavi

xavi

jonnyb, I must be missing something, because I can't see he toolbar. Do I need to add include_once ('lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php'); in tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php also?
s/he/the

jonnyb

coo - looks like the firefox selection issue is due to css - weird!
no, shouldn't need to

sylvieg

xavi was looking at the dafautt frop down - it is even broken for a new item :-( in trunk

xavi

sylvie: oups.... it was not broken to me, if you have all fields in one wiki page

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xavi

jonnyb: ok.
jonnyb: ok, adding that toolbar is not important, and not as easy, as it seems (It was just a kind of quick test to my own skills... I'll searching and replacing with external tools)
s/I'll searching/I'll keep searching

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jonnyb

it should just work - sorry no spare time to help more now

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xavi

no, no problem, is not important. Thanks for your help. Please, consider that I didn't ask anything related to toolbars, seriously
xavi back to work with his tracker

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luciash

hola xavi :)

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xavi

hi luciash :-)

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luciash

salut sylvieg
yay

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jonnyb

hmm, seems lite.css is to blame (for all the firefox textarea weirdness)

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luciash

i wonder why :)

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jonnyb

seems it was ok in 3.x
i'm doing a diff
i need to fix this properly as it's making ckeditor unusable in firefox ;(
no changes to lite.css (as i thought)
wonder if it's the charset - it's utf-8...
not charset - i think it's the body{display:table;} thing
yup - definitely - line 15 of lite.css doesn't agree with firefox
but the layout work fine without it

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luciash

jonnyb: it's necessary for expanding content (pushing right column) to the right properly

jonnyb

but it makes editing not work

luciash

if it worked before, i would rather not touch lite.css

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jonnyb

which we have (badly) patched with loads of js kludges
no, i'm going to add a thing to setup to add it afterwards
probably with a pref
although i'd rather we got rid of all the hacks

luciash

in an ideal browsers world it would be possible to get rid of all the hacks, but not in this world
(i mean css "hacks")

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jonnyb

i know - it's a balance

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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r28528 10/branches/proposals/5.x/styles/fivealive/options/ (6 files): [bp/r28523] Post title background image URL wasn't updated when site header's was (same image used for both). Thanks to changi for spotting problem.

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jonnyb

but it's not possible to get hack ckeditor enough without forking it
and it works ok in everything else except for tiki

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luciash

blame ckeditor ;)

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jonnyb

we've also had so many issues since 3.5 came out (i think)
blame doesn't help

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luciash

yep, don't blame lite.css then :)

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jonnyb

but that's where the problem line is... (and it's caused issues before) - but it's ok, i'll hack round it :)

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luciash

did u try to use empty.css (only import lite.css) if it works any better ?

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tikiwiki: 03minger0 * r28529 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] 3159++ Trackers: Modifying dynamic list item type does not work when the
tikiwiki: reference field is not in fields - additional fix: to allow for linking via not
tikiwiki: item link fields; simplification to the previous commit and it is also more
tikiwiki: generic

luciash

or worse ?

jonnyb

same
i can do it using the dom inspector

luciash

ah, was fckeditor different then

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jonnyb

disable that css rule and it's fine
fckeditor was always buggy in tiki

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luciash

before it worked you say, and if lite.css wasn't changed...
i thought change from fckeditor to ckeditor causes the problem
or i misundrstood

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jonnyb

no, i think it was change from fx 3.0 to 3.5

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luciash

but where, if not in lite.css

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jonnyb

but that coincided with tiki 4.0, and lots of jquery stuff arriving, so we thought it was a JS thing

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luciash

ah, is it some positioning JS computation ?
which jQuery uses ?

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jonnyb

seems not - it's a css thing

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luciash

but how display: table might affect it ? i wonder

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jonnyb

bug in firefox i guess

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luciash

it's just telling to render the element table behavior
instead of display: block

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jonnyb

because i guess they assume the body must be a block, as per w3

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luciash

well, the body is probably something special anyway, not classic block element
that's maybe why
maybe it could be workarounded adding an extra div around whole with display: table instead but it is not very semantic fix

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jonnyb

i'm just going to fix it for textareas now

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luciash

good

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jonnyb

oh, except that includes pages with the comment form on...
hmmm, nasty

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RavenC

polom all!

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luciash

RavenC: hi

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RavenC

hi luciash

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xavi

bbl

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ricks99

Hi RavenC

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tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28530 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX]TRACKER: to have the plugin without itemId after on with itemId
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r28531 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_5/ (56 files in 13 dirs): [NEW] Andreas09 theme for Tiki 5.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28532 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [FIX] ckeditor: A couple more tool renames

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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28533 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] textareas: Finally a fix for the Firefox selection loss problem by making sure the document body element has display:block (not table).
tikiwiki: This means the other JS workarounds can eventually be removed if this really is successful and that ckeditor works as in other browsers.

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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r28534 10/mods/trunk/themes/clubcard_tiki_5/ (27 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] Club Card theme for Tiki 5.

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tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r28535 10/trunk/tiki-view_tracker.php: [FIX] Use empty instead of isset for proper test because if there are subsequent vars it causes a db error.

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RavenC

morning ricks

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tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28536 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]TRACKER: fix default value in drop down when filling a tracker some fields at the time: value not set means was not in the database

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fabricius|away

hey ricks99 , thx ... lost conection and have to go again ... root folder for php.ini - will call the provider, if I do not find
and bye then

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tikiwiki: 03minger0 * r28537 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] 3159+++ Trackers: Modifying dynamic list item type does not work when the
tikiwiki: reference field is not in fields - additional fix: to allow for linking via not
tikiwiki: item link fields; simplification to the previous commit and it is also more
tikiwiki: generic; added even more simplification
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28538 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php: [FIX] ckeditor: oops, debug thing

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chealer

TikiFesters waking up in a new TikiHouse
Go jonnyb!

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jonnyb

polom chealer and all! who's there?

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chealer

we're just those who slept here now, Marc, Cyrille, Etienne and me. Nelson and Pascal should join us.

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rodrigo_sampaio

xavi (or anyone else): any idea what is breaking the layout in this page http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Gallery+for+Images
?

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chealer

hi rodrigo_sampaio

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rodrigo_sampaio

hi chealer
chealer: are you in ottawa? i'm going later today

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xavi

hi rodrigo_sampaio. no idea. I?ll have a look
ah ha ha
probably the align=center in the images
some bug around since a few versions

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rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: ok, I will check

xavi

it should alignthem, as it did in the past
but suddenly, it staretd doing some floating, afaik

chealer

rodrigo_sampaio: I am, in the new TikiHouse. cool, I was just asking when you would come :-)

rodrigo_sampaio

chealer: soon :)

chealer

and the images are in the middle of sentences
but no idea, never seen that problem

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rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: just to let you know there is also a missing image
xavi: the first image link is broken

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xavi

let me see....

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xavi

rodrigo_sampaio: I created the page, and probably added all images in that page, but for sure I can tell you that it was not me who wrote this:
{img link=/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=44&display src=/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=44 align=center class=reflect }
which is the code from the missing/broken image
so that there might be something wrong going on in the code....

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rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: do you know if this bug with align=center has been reported at dev.tikiwiki.org?

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xavi

good question :-) no idea.

rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: just discovered another bug, it is not possible to preview a wiki page when someone else is editing it (you can edit it but you cannot preview your changes... :))

xavi

not me, probably (I reported way too many errors....)

rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: I will report both

xavi

thks, rodrigo_sampaio

sylvieg

rodrigo_sampaio: thank you for the phpunit comment - my test is not recognized :-)

xavi

xavi has so many open bug reports.... and he should review them...

rodrigo_sampaio

sylvieg: you are welcome
sylvieg: is not recognized or was not recognized? :)

xavi

xavi wishes that the new code from sylvie (batch change on item status) will save his time by means of automagically change them to pending.... and if no change, to closed :-)

sylvieg

s/not/now
sorry

rodrigo_sampaio

sylvieg: great!

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sylvieg

I still have a problem with tikilib not correctly decalred... but at least I can test :-)

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xavi

chealer?
chealer, if you can fix the image path problem with the first image.... you seem to have the page open for edition still

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rodrigo_sampaio

chealer: are you still editing the page? due to the preview bug I can't see if my changes are correcting the problem in that page while you are editing it ;)
sylvieg: which problem?
sylvieg: maybe I can help

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sylvieg

PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function setTZbyID() on a non-object in /home/sg/www/html/test/tikitrunkfresh/lib/tikilib.php on line 7594

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chealer

xavi, rodrigo_sampaio: I closed it, feel free to take the lock

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sylvieg

but perhaps it is my test ... it works in a test.php ... I will ask you if I can not find out - thx rodrigo_sampaio

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xavi

ok, thanks, chealer

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rodrigo_sampaio

chealer: thanks, I will test xavi suggestion regarding align=center
chealer: as soon as tiki realize that you are not editing the page anymore :)

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chealer

that's bad, I thought/hoped Tiki would just ask the editor if it really wanted to edit

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rodrigo_sampaio

chealer: this is what it does, but apparently there is a bug and I cannot preview the page, so I cannot test my edition before saving it :(
sylvieg: the problem is that $tikidate is not defined. so probably just creating a new instance of TikiDate and assigning it to $tikidate will fix the issue

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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28539 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/autosave/plugin.js: [FIX] ckeditor: don't re-save ajax errors and make clicking the button always work
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28540 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/wiki/editlib.php: [FIX] parse_html: remove completely empty p tags
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28541 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/lib/tikilib.php: [MOD] parse_data: Preserve empty line/paras when wiki paragraph formatting and correct some logic back to how it is in trunk

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xavi

jonnyb, do you need some testing of your ckeditor branch? (I have some spare time for that, if useful for you)

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jonnyb

if you can, please! thanks xavi

xavi

any special topic you want me to test? or whatever?

jonnyb

Geoff is already on the case, he's set up quite a few test pages there

xavi

jonnyb

especially wiki/html parsing and switching, and i've made a few changes to tikilib->parse_data involving wiki para mode, so don't want too many surprises when i merge back

j0n3

byee

xavi

is your site updated? or I can test any trunk?

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jonnyb

it's an experimental branch (branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update) but that's whats on http://alcns.net
recently svn up'ed

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xavi

ok, I'll test on your site

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jonnyb

i'm hoping to merge back into trunk tonight

[16:05]

xavi

jonnyb: xavi at tikiwiki.org is not a valid email address in your alcns.net site???
plus, fyi, there is no registration message shown after filling in the registration details

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jonnyb

¿que? :O

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xavi

I know this is not probably due to your branch, but, just in case

[16:11]

jonnyb

no, not touched anything like that afaik

xavi

jonnyb

can you get in? or shall i make a user for you?

xavi

anyway, I wonder if tw.o domain made some indigestion to your alcns.net site...
hopld on, I'll test
"Account disabled" :-(

jonnyb

can't see why

xavi

account "Xavi"
anyway, I can use the account "tiki", no worries

jonnyb

i've validated it

xavi

but for sure, there seems to be something borked with the regsitration process
ok, I'll try again

jonnyb

i made you admin too

xavi

now I get: ErrorYou did not validate your account
+ another error message:
You should have received an email. Check your mailbox and your spam box. Otherwise click on the button to resend the emailResend

jonnyb

ay? (sometimes tiki can be very annoying ;) )

xavi

Ok, I'll try again without clicking on any validation message (if an admin validates some account, that should work)

jonnyb

sorry
had to validate email too
ok now?

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xavi

ok, I?m in
thanks

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jonnyb

it says you're online?
:)

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xavi

is this something different? (as far as validation of users is invloved) in tiki6?
anyway, whatever

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jonnyb

no idea, but i have validate email set

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xavi

there I go for testing, and you for your ckeditor issues
jonnyb, shall I test with firefox 3.6+ ?

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jonnyb

yes, that should be fixed now

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xavi

I did read that you said that firefox issues with ckeditor might have been solved with some of your last commits
ok, there I go then

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rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: there is any reason to use class=reflect for the images on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=File+Gallery+for+Images
xavi: I think is the confusing and I'm planning to remove it

xavi

rodrigo_sampaio: just aesthetics :-)

rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: what do you think?

xavi

ok, I think that whatever bug is in align=Center should be fixed, regardless of class=reflect
but do as you wish on that page

rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: for me is kind of "noisy" (ok, not the best word to describe) but nothing against keeping it if you prefer

Tikiwiki|bot

Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3520 - - Unable to preview a wiki page if someone else is editing it - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3520

rodrigo_sampaio

xavi: right now I will just fix the page removing class=center and report the bug
xavi: if I have some time in the next days I will try to fix the bug

xavi

nope, I'd like to keep it in pages like Tiki6 (dogfooding reflect), but if it causes issues in other pages such as this one that you say, go ahead
rodrigo_sampaio: ok, thks.

jonnyb: where should I report issues on what I see?
should I post them in a wiki page?
or here on irc right now as I see them?

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jonnyb

could do, or just mail me (or skype or pm or something)
once it's all back in trunk we can use normal channels

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xavi

ok
img icon from external images are whon in live preview mode, and once page is saved, but I can't see it when editting the page in wysiwyg
btw, is live preview a new feature in Tiki6?
(I didn't see saything about5 it neither in Tiki5 nor in Tiki6 pages yet in doc.tw.o)
I'll drop some lines about live preview wherever it's needed
see http://alcns.net/xavi

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Tikiwiki|bot

Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3521 - - Align=center inside {img} tag breaks layout - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3521

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jonnyb

xavi: email's probably best for more, but i'll add these to my lists
live preview was in 5, but quietly

[16:32]

xavi

ok (mail, and live preview)
live preview is nice (I hadn't use it much yet), specially those of us who work with dual screen

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[16:35]

jonnyb

my main question is shall i KIL fckeditor before merging back?

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xavi

jonnyb, is fceditor meant to fully replace it?

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jonnyb

ckeditor replaces fckeditor

xavi

I mean, I guess that you don't expect regressions... but will it be problematic to leave them both while people test ckeditor in trunk?
or it will be messy?
since tiki6 is LTS....
if there is any chance of issues that some things might not work because ckeditor doesn't support them (ie6? or whatever) but fckeditor does, I would leaven them both for Tiki6 LTS
my 2cents
otherwise, go ahead and kill already!

jonnyb

yes, there's always that possibility

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jonnyb

let's leave both in (but with ckeditor default for new installs)

xavi

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xavi

wise decision

jonnyb

probably safest

xavi

yeah

CIA-65

tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28542 10/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] field to set the number of posts to display in the related content section of a post

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xavi

jonnyb, is it intended that when you re-open the page for edition (in wysiwyg mode) you don't see the images, but the wiki syntax from the images?
I mean, while still in wysiwyg mode

[16:46]

jonnyb

yes, plugin entity coming soon

[16:46]

xavi

mmm, but it came from copy paste from somewhere else in wysiwyg mode
so it's plugin entity or just <img src=...>?
ok, maybe you convert it into plugin entity

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[16:58]

jonnyb

yes, htmltowiki converts

[16:59]

xavi

ok, quite nice so far. jonnyb: the main important (& annoying) issue so far is that the user looses some characters when the ajax refreshes the page
see other minor issues here: http://alcns.net/xavi (converted into a report page)

[17:09]

jonnyb

really - like what?
ok, ta

[17:10]

xavi

"like what" is written as "like at" if you are so lucky to be writting it when ajax refreshes
ajax is hungry!

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jonnyb

oh ok, i think i know what that is...
is this in firefox?

xavi

"wh" is a snack for ajax, it seems
yes

jonnyb

it's so slow now

xavi

I'll try in webkit also

jonnyb

xavi

(chrome)
oups, and lots of extra spaces.... when I open the page again but I'm afraid that you already know that, don't you?
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