#tikiwiki 2010-08-27,Fri

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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r28734 10/trunk/lib/ (jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js sheet/grid.php): tikiwiki: [FIX] Added more colMargin to sheet to make heights a bit more stable. It will look a bit larger. tikiwiki: [FIX] Removed the elusive empty bottom row, simply by subtracting 1 from the row count in fn "drawRows".	[02:36]
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coaboa	hello	[09:15]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Mail notification - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38267	[09:47]
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DavidP	Hello Everyone! Where is the code that creates the page "articles"?	[11:56]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28735 10/trunk/db/tiki.sql: [FIX]blog: fix commit 28338; post_heading was added in articles not blogs	[12:26]
DavidP	I am trying to modify the articles home page so that both the title and description is displayed. Can anyone help me?	[12:27]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3527 - - Out of memory bug in tiki-edit_templates.php - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3527	[12:44]
sylvieg	DavidP: there are some setting in the article type tiki-article_types.php	[12:44]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3528 - - Ver5.1 messages not showing if thread longer the 1 page - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3528	[13:55]
luciash	helloya	[14:02]
chealer	polom chealer and Marc waiting for TikiFesters.	[14:03]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3529 - - can not set option to list messages always newest first - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3529	[14:05]
luciash	oh, another one ? :) so soon after Ottawa	[14:05]
chealer	luciash: yes, but it will be a small one just 2 days	[14:07]
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david-w	hi guys how do I move a user to a admin	[14:15]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: I can't able to find the options for google maps displayed in documentation - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38271	[14:16]
david-w	!help	[14:17]
Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[14:17]
luciash	david-w: add him to Admins group david-w: which has tiki_p_admin permission assigned	[14:17]
david-w	yes OK is it under users	[14:18]
luciash	under Groups Admin > Groups	[14:18]
david-w	kk	[14:18]
ricks99	@david-w see docs for details on adding users to groups: Users http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Users	[14:18]
david-w	kk is there a openid addon for it	[14:19]
luciash	for Tiki ? yes	[14:20]
ricks99	tiki supports openid. pls see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/External+Authentication	[14:20]
david-w	OK it would be good to get a irc plugin for tikiwiki	[14:20]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Does any one have Idea on Documentation about the Gigya Implementation for tikiwiki - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38273 New Forum Posts: I w'd like to know If I can edit the URLs of the default URLs - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38272	[14:36]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: type g survey check boxes not visible for non-admin - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38275 New Forum Posts: Error at Documentation page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=17&comments_parentId=38274	[14:46]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Do anyone Implemented StackOverFlow like functionality? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38277	[15:06]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Reply to the topic - Error at Documentation page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=17&comments_parentId=38278	[15:26]
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HideMe	Is there a setting to change the session time-out?	[15:39]
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chealer	HideMe: that would be a PHP-level setting	[15:42]
HideMe	chealer, What, really... not the CMS?	[15:45]
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chibaguy	polom	[15:51]
chealer	hi chibaguy	[15:51]
chibaguy	hi chealer people are still getting "Error: Notice: This variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"] at tw.o forums. http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3962/errorwithtikiforum.png	[15:51]
HideMe	chealer, So where do I change this session setting?	[15:53]
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chealer	HideMe: in php.ini. session.cookie_lifetime might be your problem	[15:54]
HideMe	session.cookie_lifetime = 0 Doesn't look like it should be an issue.	[15:55]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Do anyone have Idea on the Feature :revisions - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38279	[15:57]
	New Forum Posts: Do anyone have Idea on setting a wiki page as template - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38279	[16:07]
luciash	hi chibaguy	[16:10]
chibaguy	hi luciash	[16:12]
ricks99	wolo... .looks like somone is busy posting questions....	[16:13]
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chibaaguy	chibaaguy has a problem with too-sensitive netbook trackpad messing up keyboard input.	[16:15]
chealer	HideMe: so what is your actual problem?	[16:16]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Disabling requirement of only one link in Directory - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38283	[16:17]
chibaguy	ricks99, yes, he seems to be a really enthusiastic newbie with a lot of questions :-)	[16:17]
chealer	chibaguy: re http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-08-26,Thu&sel=18#l14 chibaguy: I see "Comment" too. it seems to be from the new in-context comments feature	[16:18]
chibaguy	Ah, ok.	[16:19]
chealer	which is still quite buggy. it displays a comment box, although it should be next to the content selected	[16:19]
chibaguy	work in progress, I guess.	[16:20]
chealer	chibaguy: well, maybe work stopped in progress :-P	[16:20]
chibaguy	do you see it in any page other than blogs?	[16:21]
HideMe	chealer, I just dislike how the session times out after an hour or so, requiring me to login again.	[16:29]
ricks99	@HideMe: r u using the REMEMBER ME feature?	[16:31]
chibaguy	chealer, I only see the page-bottom comment link on blog post pages.	[16:34]
chealer	HideMe: what do you mean by session, an HTTP session or something else? chibaguy: I believe I saw it on Wiki pages too, in Konqueror	[16:34]
chibaguy	oh, really? Ok.	[16:35]
HideMe	ricks99, Nope, currently off.	[16:35]
chealer	chibaguy: yeah, I have it on my HomePage, in Iceweasel.	[16:35]
HideMe	chealer, the authenticated session on the wiki.	[16:35]
chibaguy	Ok.	[16:35]
ricks99	@HideMe you can enable REMEMBER ME to extend time	[16:36]
HideMe	ricks99, ok, I'll try it.	[16:36]
chibaguy	chealer, funny how it seems to vary by browser. I don't see it in wiki pages in Opera.	[16:37]
chealer	HideMe: you seem to be thinking about the Remember me feature. if you close your browser, an HTTP session disappears, you need Remember me to stay logged in. chibaguy: do you get it in Firefox on Wiki pages?	[16:37]
chibaguy	I'll check.	[16:38]
HideMe	chealer, Nope, the session expires even with the browser still open, but not used x minutes.	[16:38]
chealer	chibaguy: on my Homepage, the box appears at the bottom, until I select some text, at which point it moves to the expected position.	[16:39]
chibaguy	chealer, no, no sign of it in FF. bbl	[16:45]
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chealer	HideMe: see session.gc_maxlifetime	[16:50]
luciash	HideMe: if you mean on your localhost, it will not keep you logged in even with remember me set after browser closed	[16:51]
HideMe	You guys.... never have I mentioned closing the browser. Simply an idle session. :)	[16:52]
luciash	HideMe: just a note ;)	[16:53]
chealer	luciash: it will, inside the time defined	[16:53]
luciash	HideMe: about localhost limitation	[16:53]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28736 10/trunk/lib/test/freetag/FreetagTest.php: using only lower case tags to test until we have a way for the tests to be independent of the tiki instance preferences	[16:55]
luciash	chibaguy_away: fivealive has hidden fullscreen icon by purpose ? i have the feature enabled but no fullscreen icon appears	[16:56]
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chibaguy	luciash no, it should display. must be a bug.	[16:58]
luciash	chibaguy: Tiki 5.1	[16:58]
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chibaguy	ok, I'll check on that.	[17:00]
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rodrigo_sampaio	hi jonnyb	[17:03]
jonnyb	hi rodrigo_sampaio	[17:04]
Robert__	Hello -- I'm thinking about using Tiki to set up a small social network site, and have a couple of quesitons questions	[17:04]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28737 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerfilter.php: [FIX] trackerfilter: Fix JS code to make results from multiple trackerfilters on one page persist following div class reorganisation.	[17:04]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: I replied your e-mail about unit tests on tiki-dev jonnyb: welcome to the unit test world ;)	[17:04]
jonnyb	:P	[17:05]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: not everything is working as it should now jonnyb: we need to improve some things	[17:05]
Robert__	Thank you. First, when navigating the Tiki site, each new page goes through a strange partial-loading "flicker", where it cycles a few times before finally fully loading. I've never seen this before.	[17:05]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: but for sure what we have now is better than nothing	[17:05]
Robert__	I'm using FF3	[17:05]
jonnyb	rodrigo_sampaio: it's only because LPH tells me off when i break them!	[17:05]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: so the second step for you is to start writing tests for new code you add :P	[17:06]
jonnyb	Robert__: do you have firebug installed? rodrigo_sampaio: yeah yeah... i know ;)	[17:06]
Robert__	I don't think so. I have lots of FF extensions, but not sure about that one	[17:06]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: we still need a way to make our tests independent of the current database used in tiki installation jonnyb: after that for me is just about writing tests as much as posible jonnyb: if you need help with phpunit let me know	[17:06]
jonnyb	i guess using sqlite or something would be the way to go	[17:07]
chealer	chibaguy: this $_POST["thread_sort_mode"] issue, do you know if it ever happens in comments in general (say in WIki pages)?	[17:09]
luciash	Robert__: if you mean tw.o sites, i have that too :(	[17:10]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: can you explain? can we use db/tiki.sql to populate a sqlite database?	[17:10]
chibaguy	chealer, I only see people reporting that error when they're using tw.o's forums. they get it trying to reply to a forum post.	[17:10]
luciash	Robert__: in FF 3.6 but in FF3.0 or FF4 beta 1 i don't have that issue	[17:11]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: so far what we have been thinking is to have a separate mysql database for the tests	[17:11]
jonnyb	luciash: (hi!) and Robert__ - i think it would be worth trying with body {display:block} as i think firefox 3.5+ doesn't seem to like that	[17:11]
Robert__	Second, I'm pretty new to putting together a social network. I was thinking of using a packaged social network "kit" like SocialGo or another Ning alternative, but I wanted to make sure that I can use a domain I own as its URL. Am I correct in thinking that Tiki is basically a software package that one downloads, modifies and then hosts on one's own server? -which means that I can use my own dedicated domain?	[17:11]
luciash	hi jonnyb, good idea (prossibly ;))	[17:12]
Robert__	luciash: interesting. Is FF4 pretty stable? Do you recommend it?	[17:12]
chibaguy	luciash, do you get the fullscreen icon in other themes? I don't seem to, in the ones I checked so far (in branch 5).	[17:12]
luciash	chibaguy: hmm, let me check	[17:12]
chealer	chibaguy: right, thanks	[17:13]
Robert__	jonnyb: I guess I'm concerned that, if Tiki uses its own code for this site, and I d/Loaded and used their code, that visitors to my Tiki-based site, who are also using FF3x might have similar problems.	[17:13]
jonnyb	yes Robert__ - we all are	[17:14]
luciash	chibaguy: nope, i don't have the icon with strasa either, weird, either somebody thought it is not good to have the icon displayed, or it is a regression bug	[17:14]
jonnyb	i believe i've tracked it down to something in lite.css where the body gets set to "be" a table-cell	[17:15]
Robert__	jonnyb: "we all are"...what? Concerned about this? Is it a known bug?	[17:15]
jonnyb	Robert__: at least that's what fixed some other ff issues	[17:15]
chibaguy	luciash, yes, probably a regression bug.	[17:16]
jonnyb	it seems to be intermittent - doesn't happen on all tiki sites, or all pages and it started with fx 3.5	[17:16]
chibaguy	it's ok in trunk, though. sorry, the fullscreen icon is visible in trunk.	[17:16]
luciash	chibaguy: yep jonnyb: it must be something else causing this, when it doesn't happen on all tiki sites	[17:16]
chibaguy	about the firefox flickering, I thought it was due to firebug add-on. does it happen with no-addons firefox too?	[17:17]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28738 10/trunk/ (94 files in 47 dirs): [MOD] svn mv lib/core/lib/* lib/core/ (please help checking if everything is working)	[17:18]
Robert__	I just checked my FF add-ons list, and I don't have FireBug installed The only add-on that I could imagine might affect things is Greasemonkey, but I doubt it's the culprit	[17:18]
chibaguy	jonnyb said it stopped when he removed the firebug add-on.	[17:19]
luciash	jonnyb: we shouldn't try workaround problems by making global preventive "fixes" (imho) - the display: table and display: table-cell has its purpose to make the site layout work properly in every browser	[17:20]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy - yes, it did once - i think	[17:20]
chealer	don't worry about that last commit, we have rodrigo_sampaio just next to us, we can perform any punishment requested immediately	[17:20]
Robert__	@chibaguy: well, I don't have firebug, and I get the flicker	[17:20]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: :P	[17:20]
chibaguy	but I don't get it at all tiki sites, so it seems to be a combination of some configuration of tiki and some aspect of firefox.	[17:21]
jonnyb	i've spent 20 to 30 hours at least already on this one, can't afford any more time now, sorry	[17:21]
chibaguy	chibaguy will remove add-ons from ff on one pc and check sites.	[17:21]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: just did that because typing the last useless lib was annoying ;) chealer: I hope everything is working...	[17:22]
Robert__	Well, maybe I'll download Tiki and give it a try. Thanks, everyone, for the info.	[17:22]
chibaguy	rodrigo_sampaio: thanks for the blog improvements :-) Robert__: regarding what you said before, Tiki doesn't really have to modified, just uploaded and configured (admin options, prefs, etc.)	[17:22]
luciash	chibaguy: nope, 3.6.8 with all addons disabled is working fine on dev.tw.o	[17:24]
Robert__	@chibaguy: OK; I'll try it out. Thanks	[17:24]
luciash	chibaguy: Firebug was one of them I disabled ;)	[17:25]
jonnyb	in one of my tests it seemed that disabling the add-ons (firebug) wasn't enough, in the end i uninstalled it and it was ok, but maybe that was just restarting the browser that did it	[17:25]
luciash	yes, disabled and restarted here and it seeems to help	[17:26]
jonnyb	it's a tricky one to track down, seems to come and go	[17:26]
chibaguy	My impression is most FF users (w/no webdev addons) don't experience the flickering. or else there'd be reports of it.	[17:26]
luciash	prolly, but it is interesting what causes it for Robert__	[17:27]
chibaguy	true	[17:27]
luciash	maybe the Greasemonkey one ?	[17:27]
chibaguy	seems likely	[17:27]
luciash	it could be imho something to do with JS and selectors/display properties	[17:27]
rodrigo_sampaio	chibaguy: ;)	[17:27]
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luciash	browsing the dev.t.o site now for a while with 3.6.8 and i don't get the flickering anymore	[17:29]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3530 - - pagehistory not showing compare or diff - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3530	[17:33]
chealer	luciash: in the trackers?	[17:47]
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luciash	chealer: what	[18:07]
chealer	luciash: you don't get flickering in the trackers?	[18:07]
luciash	why in trackers ?	[18:08]
chealer	luciash: they're particularly prone to flickering	[18:08]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r28739 10/trunk/lib/core/lib/: remove lib/core/lib/ (completes r28738)	[18:09]
luciash	chealer: i don't get the flickering anymore anywhere	[18:09]
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nkoth	luciash: ping jonnyb: ping	[18:10]
luciash	nkoth: pong	[18:11]
jonnyb	hi nkoth ping pong	[18:11]
nkoth	fred from bbb is testing new voip are you in a place where you have voip? we were wondering how it's like from "far away"	[18:11]
jonnyb	sorry - on fone at the mo	[18:13]
chealer	[jonnyb:] do we have an event like change that is triggered as soon as a text input's content is actually changed (that is, not only when the field loses focus)	[18:14]
luciash	onchange ?	[18:16]
chibaguy	luciash, i just updated to ff 3.6, and I get a page 'blink' with every icon mouseover on tiki-admin.	[18:17]
chealer	sylvieg: TikiFestMontreal6 has started and Rodrigo, Marc and me are here. when will you be able available for a conference on interface translation?	[18:17]
luciash	chibaguy: with no addons enabled ?	[18:18]
chibaguy	no, with add-ons (firebug, etc.) sorry, you were describing with no addons?	[18:19]
chealer	luciash: yeah, change is the jQuery event corresponding with onchange, it has the same issue	[18:21]
luciash	chibaguy: yeah, i told i don't get the flickering anymore with all addons disabled firebug was the culprit in my case too	[18:24]
chibaguy	luciash, even with add-ons disabled, the page 'blinks' when the mouse hovers and the icon infobox thingie displays.	[18:25]
luciash	hmm, let me try logged in or out (i am out) ? did you restart firefox after disabling ?	[18:25]
chibaguy	yes	[18:27]
luciash	what i like on chrome, is that there is no restart necessary btw, but recently chrome started to eat all of my resources after some hours of usage, so i am back to firefox (testing FF 4 beta1 currently ;)) chibaguy: which icon should i hover to replicate ?	[18:27]
chibaguy	ff 3.6 seems smoother than before, but there's still a on-and-off when pages load, whereas with opera, after you see the page, it doesn't go away again during the loading. luciash, I was on something like tiki-admin.php?page=look and then mouseover the other admin icons at the top, like 'features' etc.	[18:29]
luciash	ah, so logged in ? i am logged out (anonymous)	[18:30]
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luciash	now i notice some funny thing on http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-index.php when you go there and scroll down to the "Contributors to this page" and try to hover some of the authors who has links on their login names you see in the righgt column some funny content "dancing" when you hover slowly to other user names i mean so it seems the tooltip box does some funny stuff with the code	[18:30]
chibaguy	yes, i was logged in to see the icon mouseovers. time to sleep. g'night everybody. :-)	[18:34]
luciash	chibaguy: hmm, now i went to tw.o (community) and i got some little flickering pleasure again too :( sleep well, nn	[18:38]
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HideMe	Can anyone lend a hand with identifying why my tiki install isn't mailing the validation mail? may be system related.	[18:55]
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Kimberlee	hello all. :)	[19:00]
luciash	hi Kimberlee	[19:01]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Tiki 5.0 install not saving any changes - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38290	[19:01]
luciash	aye, the other tw.o sites flicker like hell even with all addons disabled :(	[19:01]
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chealer	HideMe: in what environment?	[19:26]
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HideMe	chealer, debian linux exim installed.... looking at tiki more it seems to use sendmail ick	[19:40]
chealer	HideMe: right. is sendmail working fine?	[19:43]
HideMe	sendmail isn't installed, nor would I advise it.	[19:43]
chealer	HideMe: I mean sendmail in general, not the sendmail software. is exim working?	[19:46]
HideMe	Yes exim is working.... I can send mail from the command line using exim. The "forgot password" test mails from tiki however do not work. You have tiki working with exim?	[19:48]
chealer	HideMe: yes. did you do the test in the installer?	[19:57]
HideMe	Yes, but it failed as exim wasn't installed at that point. With no option to re-run.	[19:58]
chealer	HideMe: you should be able to re-run if you go back to that step?	[19:59]
HideMe	run the installer again?	[19:59]
chealer	HideMe: sorry, that was an affirmation. HideMe: yes	[20:00]
HideMe	I've got the tiki all setup the way I want now..... starting over isn't desirable.	[20:00]
chealer	HideMe: the "installer" does more than installing in fact, it can handle upgrades too	[20:01]
luciash	HideMe: the installer can be used for upgrades too, no need to start again :)	[20:01]
HideMe	Mmm ok.... so use the "reset or upgrade your database" option under general?	[20:02]
luciash	yep, just go to the tiki-install.php again then choose step you need (you need just to test the mail working, right ?)	[20:02]
HideMe	correct... just did so and it was received. Now can lock the file and exit again?	[20:08]
chealer	HideMe: yes	[20:09]
HideMe	Too late.... I did it. :) Mmmm very odd. The test mail was sent/received.... but the 'forgot password' mail wasn't.	[20:09]
chealer	HideMe: sent to the same address, of course?	[20:13]
HideMe	yes. ideas?	[20:14]
chealer	HideMe: validation mail and/or forgot password mail?	[20:22]
HideMe	forgot password mail validation didn't work last time I tried either	[20:23]
chealer	is any mail working other than the installer?<	[20:24]
HideMe	how so?	[20:24]
chealer	HideMe: what do you mean by how so?	[20:25]
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HideMe	The only two options to send mail (that I have set up) are the validator and the forgot password. anyway.... it's the weekend. enough tinkering, I'm going out. pick up on this later. thank	[20:25]
chealer	HideMe: you can have notification mails/watches at least	[20:26]
HideMe	thanks for the assistance.	[20:26]
chealer	bye	[20:26]
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