[01:00] *** MartinCleaver has quit IRC (Quit: MartinCleaver) [01:16] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:25] *** lucks has quit IRC (Quit: Saindo) [01:33] *** Tikiwiki|bot has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:44] *** Tikiwiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [01:50] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [01:54] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:54] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [01:54] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [01:55] polom [02:04] *** coaboa_ has joined #tikiwiki [02:05] *** coaboa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:31] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Get more help: Tiki for Smarties http://twbasics.keycontent.org and Tiki Essentials http://twessentials.keycontent.org) [02:37] *** uSlacker has joined #tikiwiki [02:58] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [03:52] *** chahn has joined #tikiwiki [03:55] I tried to translate tikiwiki page into Korean, but there is no Korean in language selection. In this case what should I do? [04:10] *** lucks has joined #tikiwiki [04:19] *** Tikiwiki|bot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [04:25] *** Tikiwiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [04:32] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [04:45] *** ttrimm has joined #tikiwiki [04:46] Hello all. [04:46] hello ttrimm :) [04:47] Hi. How are you this day [04:47] Fine, and you? [04:48] all right. Thinking about writing another Tiki article and wondered what is something that gets asked a lot [04:48] http://www.wikihow.com/Special:LSearch?fulltext=Search&search=tikiwiki [04:48] Those are what I have written so far, as far as Tikiwiki goes [04:49] Not meant to replace the irreplaceable Tiki for Smarties, but to break it down even further for those that need it [04:50] ttrimm, do you know how to add language? I wanted to translate some page into Korean but I couldn't choose Korean from the language selection. [04:50] NO, but let me see if I can figure it out with you [04:50] ttrimm, excuse me I am slow, now I am reading your former message [04:50] Would make a good idea for an article maybe [04:53] jo [04:53] meg? [04:54] can't remember the other sisters unless one is named Amy! [04:58] chahn: when you say Add a language, do you mean a Koran version of it?? [04:58] Yes. I wanted to contribute by translate some pages of tikiwiki but I couldn't [04:59] I am reading the articles of your homepage now [05:00] let me know if there is anything I can do to make it easier...or something you would like me to write about. [05:01] Have you registered on TikiWiki for smarties? [05:01] http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php [05:01] that is where I would start looking. [05:01] Sure, I am newbie here so I have to read all of them carefully :) [05:01] they are looking for people to translate the smarties website [05:01] me too. that helps my articles because I am doing them from the ground up [05:02] chahn: did you read about i18n? [05:02] I only registered on tiki.org. Thanks for the info. [05:03] internationalisation =i 18 n [05:03] internationalization? [05:03] mom, I have a look [05:04] I think I read before but I can't remember about that well. I will find it out now and read again. [05:05] no problem. I like learning about this stuff myselfr [05:05] Thanks fabricius. [05:06] ttrimm, I will tell you more after I finish reading your articles. Thanks [05:06] Great! [05:07] *** chahn_ has joined #tikiwiki [05:07] Don't you hate when that happens!? [05:07] do you know hot to ghost yourself? [05:07] * ttrimm basically kick yourself off [05:08] /ns ghost username password [05:10] *** chahn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:12] chahn - still there? [05:12] OR you can wait it out [05:15] fabricius: yes I am here [05:15] http://doc.tiki.org/i18n&structure=Documentation [05:16] Oh, thank you, I was searching that page. [05:16] http://tiki.org/WhoWhat?bl=y [05:16] Ok [05:17] http://tiki.org/i18n+status?bl=y [05:18] you should try to contact user ' gene203 ' - he/she seems to translate korean [05:21] If you have any suggestions chahn_ you can put them on one of the discussion pages of one of those articles [05:22] you mean the comments ttrimm?? [05:22] I have written a few how to articles on TikiWiki and told him if he had any thoughts or suggestions he could put it on one of those pages. [05:23] http://www.wikihow.com/Special:LSearch?fulltext=Search&search=tiki [05:23] there... [05:23] Ok. heading to bed now... [05:23] from the infamous Arnold ... I'll Be Back! [05:23] OK, thanks fabricius and ttrimm. Even though I am slow in reading english articles I will follow what you taught :) [05:24] I will be back too! [05:24] *** ttrimm has quit IRC (Quit: Later Folks!) [05:31] kk bye then - falling asleep [06:43] tikiwiki: 03sdoh * r29589 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Solve bugs of variables 'undefined is null or not object' at unloading of the page with IE [06:47] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [06:47] tikiwiki: 03sdoh * r29590 10/branches/proposals/5.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [bp/r29589] [FIX] Solve bugs of variables 'undefined is null or not object' at unloading of the page with IE [07:08] *** Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki [07:18] *** chahn__ has joined #tikiwiki [07:19] *** chahn_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [07:54] *** lucks has quit IRC (Quit: Saindo) [09:44] *** YossiN has joined #tikiwiki [09:44] can I use tikiwiki as my PIM (addressbook? calendar?) [09:48] can I use tikiwiki as my PIM (addressbook? calendar?) [10:02] *** YossiN has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]) [10:31] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [10:55] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [10:56] polom polom [11:00] chahn__: still there ? [11:01] yes luciash [11:01] hi :) [11:01] hi :) [11:01] did u figure it out ? [11:01] to create new language [11:02] I am trying to figure it out and now I can see Korean in Language selection but this time the pages I translated show only ??? [11:02] broken characters [11:04] I checked my mysql database's character set but it is utf8. I don't know what is the problem. [11:04] you can create new lang by two ways: 1) by copy and pasting existing one in lang/ 2) using Tiki 5 and creating new language going to tiki-edit_languages.php [11:05] if you edit the language.php file directly in editor, make sure the encoding is set to UTF-8 [11:06] you will also need to add your language in lang/langmapping.php i think [11:06] I followed the first way. Yes, I made a mistake of not using UTF-8 editor so I changed to Ultra edit . So I solved it. [11:07] Oh really? I didn't check it. [11:07] Thanks luciash I will be back. [11:08] is your lang code "ko" ? [11:08] Oh, i made a mistake. I changed the file already. [11:08] yes "ko" [11:08] fine [11:09] luciash: did you figure out the transition stuff [11:09] if you can see the other languages like chinese or japanese characters correctly and edit yours in UTF-8, there should be no problem displaying it correctly in the Tiki [11:10] sylvieg: hi, not yet, there is database error [11:10] in a fresh install? [11:10] or when appyling the profile? [11:11] sylvieg: later, must run now [11:11] ok see you [11:11] sylvieg: both [11:11] sylvieg: the error happens [11:12] luciash, I think my present problem is from something else. I tried 'Japanese' which is already there. But after I input some charaters(Japanese) It was shown as '???' too. To me there is some problem in WebServer's configuration. I am using Xampp windows version. [11:13] To me there seems to be some problem in Webserver's config, I mean. sorry for the typing error. [11:17] *** jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki [11:26] polom-end [11:30] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [11:45] luciash: I found that my problem didn't come from Webserver's misconfiguration. I installed two tikiwikis as tiki/ (DB: tiki) and tiki2/ (DB:tiki2) working on the same Xampp. Webpages from tiki/ let me translate into Japanese (it was not configured to Korean). It works fine. But Webpages from tiki2/ let me translate into Korean(I changed langmapping.php and copyied en/ to ko/) but the charaters are all broken as '???' . So I tried with Japanese. It shows [11:45] also broken letters. Then is this possible because I misconfigured tikiwiki? [11:53] * ricks99 is upgrading Smarties to 6.0... here goes nothing... [12:09] not quite right.... [12:09] Where does the configuration change get stored ? Is there any file such as LocalSettings.php? [12:09] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29591 10/branches/6.x/lib/transitionlib.php: [FIX]transition: missing changes in rollback 27986/28035 [12:09] chahn__: db/local.php [12:10] luciash: transition should be better^^^ soory [12:10] sylvieg, thanks [12:13] sylvieg, oh I mean, as an admin when I changed the configuration such as multilingual enabled then is it stored in a file or DB? [12:14] tiki-admin.php?page=i18n [12:16] Do you mean that I have to check such things only through webpage? [12:17] I thought there might be some file which shows such things. [12:17] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:18] Then the data is stored in DB, right? [12:19] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [12:19] every preference is stored in the db table tiki_preferences [12:19] + some in db/local.php [12:19] I see. thank you, sylvieg. [12:20] @chan__: you might find http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Updating+Tiki+Preferences helpful [12:22] Oh, I see. thank you. ricks99. [12:24] It is so nice, :) [12:26] Thank you guys, fabricius, luciash, sylvieg, ricks99 and others. Have a nice day! [12:27] See u later, bye [12:27] *** chahn__ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:35] re [12:35] * luciash is back [12:36] sylvieg: thank you ! [12:38] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:40] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29592 10/branches/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]transition: transition can work only on group withno category [12:42] luciash: but it seems to me that tiki-admin_transitions.php is broken in any way.... [12:42] hmm, still in the svn up proccess, i will check [12:43] the group transition is broken in admin - categ seems to work ... [12:44] i still don't get how it works... what are the steps to create transition [12:45] and the guards are no more displayed... [12:45] or what does the "transition" means here at all [12:45] in tiki-admin_transitions.php you should be able to say for instance id in this group , add or replace with this group is the guards are satisified [12:46] transitional means something "in-between converting process" to me, so i don't get these "transitions" [12:46] what guards ? [12:46] where are the guards defined ? [12:46] who is it ? [12:46] transition is an engine to change an object form one categ to anothetr or a group to another - after checking guards [12:46] a group ? [12:46] * ricks99 is glad he's not the only one that doesn't understand category 'transitions' [12:47] (it is my problem I do not remember where guards are defeined) [12:47] is it something like staging and approval for wiki pages ? but this one is for groups and categories ? like to approve the change (edit) of them ? [12:47] (lph pushed me out about improving the transition and I was obliged to rollback to implement the todo table... [12:48] stagging yes - except you do not have 2 version of the same page [12:48] it is so confusing to me [12:49] why isn't it called categories approval and groups approval ? why the term transitions ? so confusing :) [12:50] ask lph [12:50] it reminds me transition effect in video editing, that is probably why it is so confusing to me :-p [12:50] bye all, good day [12:50] the problem is that the admin interface is infinished [12:50] imho, maybe catgory *transformation* is better than transition? [12:50] *** olinuxx has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:50] ricks99: yes, maybe [12:50] sylvieg: ah [12:50] but it is the same code for category and group [12:50] if everyone spoke english as native things would b easier to understand ;-P [12:51] * luciash hates unfinished stuff in main LTS version [12:51] ricks99: true [12:51] the comment localization is unfinished undocumented too :-( [12:53] there should be link to transitions too from the Admin menu [12:53] and maybe feature checkbox ? [12:53] too late to rename now :( [12:53] there is no feature for that [12:53] but yes to add admin_tracnisiotns as it is rule by tiki_p_admin [12:53] * luciash going to try if the profile installs now at least withot db error [12:54] that is not the case for tiki_payments... [12:54] tiki_p_admin_transitions ? [12:55] nope, still the db error :( [12:56] which one objectId? [12:56] it needs sql fix i guess [12:56] Unknown column 'objectId' in 'field list' [12:56] The query was: INSERT INTO `tiki_transitions` ( `type`, `objectId`, `from`, `to`, `name`, `preserve`, `guards`, `batch` ) VALUES( ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? ) [12:57] I just did a fix in 6 [12:57] when trying to apply the profile [12:57] i just svn upped [12:57] maybe it needs fix in the profile then ? [12:57] in trunk or 6? [12:57] INSERT INTO `tiki_transitions` ( `type`, `objectId`, `from`, `to`, `name`, `preserve`, `guards`, `batch` ) VALUES( 'category', NULL, '3', '4', 'Request Review', '0', '[]', NULL ) [12:57] 6 [12:57] ooooh, sorry [12:57] i svn upped trunk [12:57] but try on 6 [12:57] so sorry [12:57] :-p [12:58] * luciash goes to re-try in correct branch [12:59] * sylvieg needs to set up the merge branch [12:59] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29593 10/branches/6.x/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] installer: use $TWV->getBaseVersion() to just get version number, not the text appearing after it as well [13:00] sylvieg: thanks, it works now [13:01] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29594 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] version: 6.0 isn't 'stable' yet, so revert to unstable, add star for 6.x 'Rigel' (as discussed on IRC), and use getBaseVersion() to get numeric version value only. [13:02] sylvieg: what does the module installed by the profile do ? there is radio button "Request Review" and [Apply] button [13:03] *** RavenC has joined #tikiwiki [13:04] *** nkoth has joined #tikiwiki [13:07] sylvieg: it doesn't work corrctly with ajax on, right ? (the tiki-admin_transitions.php) [13:08] which profile - I do not have a module? [13:09] I never use ajax - yet - was too buggy in th old days [13:09] the module appears only on one wiki page for me [13:09] it is much better now, but i think not for these transitions ;) [13:09] the xajax [13:09] profile Category_Transitions_Demonstration [13:10] * luciash switching off ajax and re-tries [13:11] ah, now when i edit one transition defined by the profile the Guards tab appears [13:13] slowly getting to understand it, but still not there yet :-p [13:13] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29595 10/trunk/ (19 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 29559 to 29594 [13:14] *** MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki [13:14] yes, i noticed transitions fails with xajax on (shouldn't stop you using ajax now though) [13:15] jonnyb: yup, the admin UI just doesn't work properly [13:15] yes, it's an LPH special :) [13:15] should be ok with feature_ajax on though now? [13:15] just not ajax_xajax (i guess) [13:16] ok [13:16] didn't test this combination yet [13:16] i just think the groups don't work, really, at least not with this profile [13:17] i don't see any group created Approved by DEV and Approved by QA [13:17] it should be there, nope ? if i understand it correctly, or what members of Guards are ? [13:17] i thought they're a group members [13:18] or is it category members ? can users be categorized now ? [13:27] it is categorization of page not user... [13:29] try on a wiki page and the module catg and you will understand [13:29] the apporve step - you will see the missing categs to be be approved [13:32] Do I miss something? Fersh install I have one perm on anonymous ... but when I wnat to see which perms ... I have to open all the tabs. Is it a short way to see which perms? [13:33] what is the guard then ? [13:33] sylvieg: try the "Show only selected" checkbox [13:33] a robot ? [13:34] what if we remove the redundant "Home" links from menu completely ? are they still useful for anythng now ? [13:34] sorry for switching the topic ;) [13:34] jonnyb: thx works - should it be by default when looking for perms of a specific group [13:35] I like the Home link [13:35] really sylvieg ? sounds a bit odd... [13:37] why? I am on admin groups - I see one perm but when I arrive in tiki-objectpermissions.php?group=Registered I have no idea where the eprms are? [13:37] or perhaps the comment 'Show only selected' must be changed? [13:40] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29596 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_html.php: [13:40] tikiwiki: [FIX] plugin html: Remove sanitisation introduced by nesting {HTML} in other plugins (thanks Xavi), parse data here using is_html (as it obviously is) or decode html. Simplify unnecessary variables used. [13:40] tikiwiki: Remove old help function and some strange code referring to tiki 2.2 - please test. [13:41] i see, ok [13:41] i have some stuff to do in there anyway, so will try it [13:45] sylvieg: ok, i see now how the category transitions module works [13:50] tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29597 10/branches/6.x/db/tiki.sql: [ADD] missing Transitions admin menu item for fresh installs [13:51] db/tiki_1.8to1.9.sql is correct to be in Tiki 6 ? [13:59] and the two others ? [13:59] good question luciash [13:59] i'd have thought the only reliable upgrade would be from 3.7 or later [14:00] *** MartinCleaver has quit IRC (Quit: MartinCleaver) [14:00] but it might work from 1.x :) [14:00] i just wonder if they re-slipped in in some merge process or if they really are useful [14:01] i don't think they were ever KIL'ed [14:01] ah, i just dreamed about then [14:01] :) [14:02] * jonnyb wonders about luciash's dreams [14:02] i thought they were not there for some release but i must be wrong [14:03] ok then, if they're used [14:03] can i remove information.tpl ? my grep says it is not used from anywhere [14:04] I think we need them for old upgrades [14:04] the tiki_1.8.... [14:05] luciash: last commit was about a global missing ? [14:05] yes, but did anybody actually test if it works ? i mean, there are mentions that is better to upgrade to 2.x first, then 3.x, etc. [14:05] changi: ? [14:05] my last commit ? [14:05] luciash: r29597 [14:05] changi: nope [14:06] @luciash: last i understood, u can safely go from 1.9 -> anywhere in one shot [14:06] ricks99: i'm not sure about this one [14:06] ricks99: ah, cool [14:06] ricks99: and from 1.8 ? [14:06] :) [14:06] luciash: at the CoE we use 1.8to1.9, 1.9to2.0 and 2.0to3.0 [14:07] fodr that u need to migrate to 1.9 first (afaik) [14:07] luciash: before using the upgrade system [14:07] changi: you mean manually < *.sql ? [14:07] luciash: yes [14:07] ah [14:07] speaking of upgrades, will there b a 5.1 -> 5.2 patch? [14:07] so it is not done by the installer automagically [14:08] luciash: and don't forget to use -f, or mysql will stop on first error [14:09] luciash: about my first question, i was just thinking if that commit should have a sql in installer/schema for thos who upgrade [14:09] changi: btw, i wasn't aware u r CoE gang guy too, until now :-p [14:10] oops [14:10] changi: i think it is not meant for upgrades, that's why i told for fresh installs in the commit message [14:10] beause people often modify their menu 42 [14:10] * changi Ok for the record i work for the CoE [14:10] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [14:10] polom [14:10] hi fabricius [14:11] again a problem :-( -> I do not need a solution for it inbetween the next few days, but I would like to get an imagination, what the reason might be: [14:12] changi: so how can i know what menu position should i put there for upgrades ? [14:12] In my 3.6 Installation sydly still with latin1 allocation I can´t use certain PlugIns, like HTML, IFRAME, TAG [14:13] all leads to a database query error [14:13] changi: what if the menu is modified or deleted or changed completely ? [14:13] * ricks99 thinks menu 42 should be non-modifiable, this way it can be 'upgraded' without impacting end-users [14:13] right now I had to go into the phpMyAdmin and delete the TAG-PlugIn by hand, to get back access to the wikipage [14:14] ricks99: +1 [14:14] ricks99: => menu 42 => application menu? if yes, I would say so aswell [14:15] well, thats what Smarties says, anyway. ;-) [14:15] @fabricius: i use html and tags in 3.x with no issues. [14:15] fabricius: what is the error ? maybe you need GPC quotes or sybase quotes off in php.ini or something [14:16] I know that it works - I have another tiki3 inst for a subproject, that was used productive (first time official use) and there I used HTML and IFRAME without probs aswell [14:17] even in that problematic future main site (will upgrade to Tiki5, once Template is finished) I tested that some weeks ago without any problems [14:17] what are GPC quotes? [14:18] ask google [14:18] coffee time [14:19] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [14:19] *** redflo has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:19] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [14:19] hehe lol [14:20] I make a picture of the error message [14:25] http://www.vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-error-dbquery-001.jpg [14:26] anybody an idea? i actually did switch off pending and approvel two or three days before [14:26] this is 3.6LTS? i recall an issue with plugin security in an earlier 3.x [14:27] try re-running the installer. select the UPGRADE option to re-run the SQL and make sure the table is built properly. iirc this was fixed in a 3.x patch. [14:27] I am pretty sure, that it is 3.6 ... but maybe it´s earlier and the other inst, where it works is (defenitely 3.6 [14:28] hm,ok [14:28] 99% that is the problem [14:28] one problem, that I may not be able to fix in an easy way before the change to 5.x woulod be the allocation !? [14:28] ah, no clue, ricks99 is prossibly right [14:29] 1. check your tiki version for the "broken" site. [14:29] 2. if at an earlier 3.x version, upgrade to 3.7LTS. should fix the issue [14:29] thx ricks - so if I understand right, I will reinstall the tiki to the last (3.6) rerun the installer and upgrade the SQL [14:29] I listen, ok [14:29] 3.7 [14:30] -> 3.7 [14:30] :) [14:30] thxs guys [14:31] luciash and ricks99 : I agreed with marc, that I make a description of my project in the community somewhere in dev.t.o or in t.o [14:32] I desided now, to attach a wikistructure to my userpage [14:32] have startet with a page - could anybody make a structure out of it for me? [14:34] should be more or less temporary, it´s just the fact, that my project is based on some different workspace szenario and with that pages I can make some stuff easier for all, when I request some help and bring my learned stuff back to the documantation [14:36] ricks99: +100 about the menu [14:36] 01@luciash & changi: maybe in Tiki 7: introduce new menu ID #0 as the Tiki-installed, full menu and allow *no* end-user modifications. [14:36] in the end my goal would be to have my project running, perspectives and workspaces better documented in the t.os and perhabs a knd of szenario page - there is a list of those stuff somewhere, where I could add that [14:36] This way no impact on exisitng sites (if they have modifications to menu 42) [14:37] we already do similar: users cannot rename/delete the Registered or Anonymous group, etc. [14:37] just a thought [14:37] ricks99: ID #0 good idea from users point - i´d like that [14:38] of course, #42 *is* the answer to the ultimate question of life, universe and everything else. :-) [14:39] we know :-D [14:39] ricks99: why not [14:39] !! [14:40] I´d say the number is not the major issue - more important seems to be (for me) the fixed standart meu not to be interfered by the user [14:41] if it was 0 or 42 - 42 might be more kind of ... a short expression of the Tiki World [14:42] problem with using 42 now is that it will impact any site that modified it. i think it is safer to start fresh. just my $0.02 USD [14:42] you like the music [14:45] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29598 10/branches/6.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] pagehistory: Various fixes - use htmldiff for html pages, show is_html on history list, parse old and new html the same and allow horizontal scroll for wide lines. [14:58] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29599 10/branches/6.x/tiki-objectpermissions.php: [FIX] objectperms: Use correct event to trigger from filter by text links [15:05] tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29600 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-admin_system.tpl: [FIX] xhtml strict re-fix: label is allowed when in p, div, etc. [15:11] luciash: should we replace all