#tikiwiki 2010-09-24,Fri

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chahn	I tried to translate tikiwiki page into Korean, but there is no Korean in language selection. In this case what should I do?	[03:55]
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ttrimm	Hello all.	[04:46]
chahn	hello ttrimm :)	[04:46]
ttrimm	Hi. How are you this day	[04:47]
chahn	Fine, and you?	[04:47]
ttrimm	all right. Thinking about writing another Tiki article and wondered what is something that gets asked a lot http://www.wikihow.com/Special:LSearch?fulltext=Search&search=tikiwiki Those are what I have written so far, as far as Tikiwiki goes Not meant to replace the irreplaceable Tiki for Smarties, but to break it down even further for those that need it	[04:48]
chahn	ttrimm, do you know how to add language? I wanted to translate some page into Korean but I couldn't choose Korean from the language selection.	[04:50]
ttrimm	NO, but let me see if I can figure it out with you	[04:50]
chahn	ttrimm, excuse me I am slow, now I am reading your former message	[04:50]
ttrimm	Would make a good idea for an article maybe	[04:50]
fabricius	jo	[04:53]
ttrimm	meg? can't remember the other sisters unless one is named Amy! chahn: when you say Add a language, do you mean a Koran version of it??	[04:53]
chahn	Yes. I wanted to contribute by translate some pages of tikiwiki but I couldn't I am reading the articles of your homepage now	[04:58]
ttrimm	let me know if there is anything I can do to make it easier...or something you would like me to write about. Have you registered on TikiWiki for smarties? http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php that is where I would start looking.	[05:00]
chahn	Sure, I am newbie here so I have to read all of them carefully :)	[05:01]
ttrimm	they are looking for people to translate the smarties website me too. that helps my articles because I am doing them from the ground up	[05:01]
fabricius	chahn: did you read about i18n?	[05:02]
chahn	I only registered on tiki.org. Thanks for the info.	[05:02]
fabricius	internationalisation =i 18 n	[05:03]
chahn	internationalization?	[05:03]
fabricius	mom, I have a look	[05:03]
chahn	I think I read before but I can't remember about that well. I will find it out now and read again.	[05:04]
ttrimm	no problem. I like learning about this stuff myselfr	[05:05]
chahn	Thanks fabricius. ttrimm, I will tell you more after I finish reading your articles. Thanks	[05:05]
ttrimm	Great!	[05:06]
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ttrimm	Don't you hate when that happens!? do you know hot to ghost yourself? ttrimm basically kick yourself off /ns ghost username password	[05:07]
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fabricius	chahn - still there?	[05:12]
ttrimm	OR you can wait it out	[05:12]
chahn_	fabricius: yes I am here	[05:15]
fabricius	http://doc.tiki.org/i18n&structure=Documentation	[05:15]
chahn_	Oh, thank you, I was searching that page.	[05:16]
fabricius	http://tiki.org/WhoWhat?bl=y	[05:16]
chahn_	Ok	[05:16]
fabricius	http://tiki.org/i18n+status?bl=y you should try to contact user ' gene203 ' - he/she seems to translate korean	[05:17]
ttrimm	If you have any suggestions chahn_ you can put them on one of the discussion pages of one of those articles	[05:21]
fabricius	you mean the comments ttrimm??	[05:22]
ttrimm	I have written a few how to articles on TikiWiki and told him if he had any thoughts or suggestions he could put it on one of those pages. http://www.wikihow.com/Special:LSearch?fulltext=Search&search=tiki there... Ok. heading to bed now... from the infamous Arnold ... I'll Be Back!	[05:22]
chahn_	OK, thanks fabricius and ttrimm. Even though I am slow in reading english articles I will follow what you taught :) I will be back too!	[05:23]
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YossiN	can I use tikiwiki as my PIM (addressbook? calendar?) can I use tikiwiki as my PIM (addressbook? calendar?)	[09:44]
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luciash	polom polom chahn__: still there ?	[10:56]
chahn__	yes luciash hi :)	[11:01]
luciash	hi :) did u figure it out ? to create new language	[11:01]
chahn__	I am trying to figure it out and now I can see Korean in Language selection but this time the pages I translated show only ??? broken characters I checked my mysql database's character set but it is utf8. I don't know what is the problem.	[11:02]
luciash	you can create new lang by two ways: 1) by copy and pasting existing one in lang/ 2) using Tiki 5 and creating new language going to tiki-edit_languages.php if you edit the language.php file directly in editor, make sure the encoding is set to UTF-8 you will also need to add your language in lang/langmapping.php i think	[11:04]
chahn__	I followed the first way. Yes, I made a mistake of not using UTF-8 editor so I changed to Ultra edit . So I solved it. Oh really? I didn't check it. Thanks luciash I will be back.	[11:06]
luciash	is your lang code "ko" ?	[11:08]
chahn__	Oh, i made a mistake. I changed the file already. yes "ko"	[11:08]
luciash	fine	[11:08]
sylvieg	luciash: did you figure out the transition stuff	[11:09]
luciash	if you can see the other languages like chinese or japanese characters correctly and edit yours in UTF-8, there should be no problem displaying it correctly in the Tiki sylvieg: hi, not yet, there is database error	[11:09]
sylvieg	in a fresh install? or when appyling the profile?	[11:10]
luciash	sylvieg: later, must run now	[11:11]
sylvieg	ok see you	[11:11]
luciash	sylvieg: both sylvieg: the error happens	[11:11]
chahn__	luciash, I think my present problem is from something else. I tried 'Japanese' which is already there. But after I input some charaters(Japanese) It was shown as '???' too. To me there is some problem in WebServer's configuration. I am using Xampp windows version. To me there seems to be some problem in Webserver's config, I mean. sorry for the typing error.	[11:12]
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chahn__	luciash: I found that my problem didn't come from Webserver's misconfiguration. I installed two tikiwikis as tiki/ (DB: tiki) and tiki2/ (DB:tiki2) working on the same Xampp. Webpages from tiki/ let me translate into Japanese (it was not configured to Korean). It works fine. But Webpages from tiki2/ let me translate into Korean(I changed langmapping.php and copyied en/ to ko/) but the charaters are all broken as '???' . So I tried with Japanese. It shows also broken letters. Then is this possible because I misconfigured tikiwiki?	[11:45]
ricks99	ricks99 is upgrading Smarties to 6.0... here goes nothing...	[11:53]
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	not quite right....	[12:09]
chahn__	Where does the configuration change get stored ? Is there any file such as LocalSettings.php?	[12:09]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29591 10/branches/6.x/lib/transitionlib.php: [FIX]transition: missing changes in rollback 27986/28035	[12:09]
sylvieg	chahn__: db/local.php luciash: transition should be better^^^ soory	[12:09]
chahn__	sylvieg, thanks sylvieg, oh I mean, as an admin when I changed the configuration such as multilingual enabled then is it stored in a file or DB?	[12:10]
sylvieg	tiki-admin.php?page=i18n	[12:14]
chahn__	Do you mean that I have to check such things only through webpage? I thought there might be some file which shows such things.	[12:16]
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chahn__	Then the data is stored in DB, right?	[12:18]
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sylvieg	every preference is stored in the db table tiki_preferences + some in db/local.php	[12:19]
chahn__	I see. thank you, sylvieg.	[12:19]
ricks99	@chan__: you might find http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Updating+Tiki+Preferences helpful	[12:20]
chahn__	Oh, I see. thank you. ricks99. It is so nice, :) Thank you guys, fabricius, luciash, sylvieg, ricks99 and others. Have a nice day! See u later, bye	[12:22]
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luciash	re luciash is back sylvieg: thank you !	[12:35]
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CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29592 10/branches/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]transition: transition can work only on group withno category	[12:40]
sylvieg	luciash: but it seems to me that tiki-admin_transitions.php is broken in any way....	[12:42]
luciash	hmm, still in the svn up proccess, i will check	[12:42]
sylvieg	the group transition is broken in admin - categ seems to work ...	[12:43]
luciash	i still don't get how it works... what are the steps to create transition	[12:44]
sylvieg	and the guards are no more displayed...	[12:45]
luciash	or what does the "transition" means here at all	[12:45]
sylvieg	in tiki-admin_transitions.php you should be able to say for instance id in this group , add or replace with this group is the guards are satisified	[12:45]
luciash	transitional means something "in-between converting process" to me, so i don't get these "transitions" what guards ? where are the guards defined ? who is it ?	[12:46]
sylvieg	transition is an engine to change an object form one categ to anothetr or a group to another - after checking guards	[12:46]
luciash	a group ?	[12:46]
ricks99	ricks99 is glad he's not the only one that doesn't understand category 'transitions'	[12:46]
sylvieg	(it is my problem I do not remember where guards are defeined)	[12:47]
luciash	is it something like staging and approval for wiki pages ? but this one is for groups and categories ? like to approve the change (edit) of them ?	[12:47]
sylvieg	(lph pushed me out about improving the transition and I was obliged to rollback to implement the todo table... stagging yes - except you do not have 2 version of the same page	[12:47]
luciash	it is so confusing to me why isn't it called categories approval and groups approval ? why the term transitions ? so confusing :)	[12:48]
sylvieg	ask lph	[12:50]
luciash	it reminds me transition effect in video editing, that is probably why it is so confusing to me :-p	[12:50]
olinuxx	bye all, good day	[12:50]
sylvieg	the problem is that the admin interface is infinished	[12:50]
ricks99	imho, maybe catgory transformation is better than transition?	[12:50]
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luciash	ricks99: yes, maybe sylvieg: ah	[12:50]
sylvieg	but it is the same code for category and group	[12:50]
ricks99	if everyone spoke english as native things would b easier to understand ;-P	[12:50]
luciash	luciash hates unfinished stuff in main LTS version ricks99: true	[12:51]
sylvieg	the comment localization is unfinished undocumented too :-(	[12:51]
luciash	there should be link to transitions too from the Admin menu and maybe feature checkbox ? too late to rename now :(	[12:53]
sylvieg	there is no feature for that but yes to add admin_tracnisiotns as it is rule by tiki_p_admin	[12:53]
luciash	luciash going to try if the profile installs now at least withot db error	[12:53]
sylvieg	that is not the case for tiki_payments...	[12:54]
luciash	tiki_p_admin_transitions ? nope, still the db error :(	[12:54]
sylvieg	which one objectId?	[12:56]
luciash	it needs sql fix i guess Unknown column 'objectId' in 'field list' The query was: INSERT INTO `tiki_transitions` ( `type`, `objectId`, `from`, `to`, `name`, `preserve`, `guards`, `batch` ) VALUES( ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? )	[12:56]
sylvieg	I just did a fix in 6	[12:57]
luciash	when trying to apply the profile i just svn upped maybe it needs fix in the profile then ?	[12:57]
sylvieg	in trunk or 6?	[12:57]
luciash	INSERT INTO `tiki_transitions` ( `type`, `objectId`, `from`, `to`, `name`, `preserve`, `guards`, `batch` ) VALUES( 'category', NULL, '3', '4', 'Request Review', '0', '[]', NULL ) 6 ooooh, sorry i svn upped trunk but try on 6 so sorry :-p luciash goes to re-try in correct branch	[12:57]
sylvieg	sylvieg needs to set up the merge branch	[12:59]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29593 10/branches/6.x/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] installer: use $TWV->getBaseVersion() to just get version number, not the text appearing after it as well	[12:59]
luciash	sylvieg: thanks, it works now	[13:00]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29594 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] version: 6.0 isn't 'stable' yet, so revert to unstable, add star for 6.x 'Rigel' (as discussed on IRC), and use getBaseVersion() to get numeric version value only.	[13:01]
luciash	sylvieg: what does the module installed by the profile do ? there is radio button "Request Review" and [Apply] button	[13:02]
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luciash	sylvieg: it doesn't work corrctly with ajax on, right ? (the tiki-admin_transitions.php)	[13:07]
sylvieg	which profile - I do not have a module? I never use ajax - yet - was too buggy in th old days	[13:08]
luciash	the module appears only on one wiki page for me it is much better now, but i think not for these transitions ;) the xajax profile Category_Transitions_Demonstration luciash switching off ajax and re-tries ah, now when i edit one transition defined by the profile the Guards tab appears slowly getting to understand it, but still not there yet :-p	[13:09]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r29595 10/trunk/ (19 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 29559 to 29594	[13:13]
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jonnyb	yes, i noticed transitions fails with xajax on (shouldn't stop you using ajax now though)	[13:14]
luciash	jonnyb: yup, the admin UI just doesn't work properly	[13:15]
jonnyb	yes, it's an LPH special :) should be ok with feature_ajax on though now? just not ajax_xajax (i guess)	[13:15]
luciash	ok didn't test this combination yet i just think the groups don't work, really, at least not with this profile i don't see any group created Approved by DEV and Approved by QA it should be there, nope ? if i understand it correctly, or what members of Guards are ? i thought they're a group members or is it category members ? can users be categorized now ?	[13:16]
sylvieg	it is categorization of page not user... try on a wiki page and the module catg and you will understand the apporve step - you will see the missing categs to be be approved Do I miss something? Fersh install I have one perm on anonymous ... but when I wnat to see which perms ... I have to open all the tabs. Is it a short way to see which perms?	[13:27]
luciash	what is the guard then ?	[13:33]
jonnyb	sylvieg: try the "Show only selected" checkbox	[13:33]
luciash	a robot ? what if we remove the redundant "Home" links from menu completely ? are they still useful for anythng now ? sorry for switching the topic ;)	[13:33]
sylvieg	jonnyb: thx works - should it be by default when looking for perms of a specific group I like the Home link	[13:34]
jonnyb	really sylvieg ? sounds a bit odd...	[13:35]
sylvieg	why? I am on admin groups - I see one perm but when I arrive in tiki-objectpermissions.php?group=Registered I have no idea where the eprms are? or perhaps the comment 'Show only selected' must be changed?	[13:37]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29596 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_html.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] plugin html: Remove sanitisation introduced by nesting {HTML} in other plugins (thanks Xavi), parse data here using is_html (as it obviously is) or decode html. Simplify unnecessary variables used. tikiwiki: Remove old help function and some strange code referring to tiki 2.2 - please test.	[13:40]
jonnyb	i see, ok i have some stuff to do in there anyway, so will try it	[13:41]
luciash	sylvieg: ok, i see now how the category transitions module works	[13:45]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29597 10/branches/6.x/db/tiki.sql: [ADD] missing Transitions admin menu item for fresh installs	[13:50]
luciash	db/tiki_1.8to1.9.sql is correct to be in Tiki 6 ?	[13:51]
	and the two others ?	[13:59]
jonnyb	good question luciash i'd have thought the only reliable upgrade would be from 3.7 or later	[13:59]
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jonnyb	but it might work from 1.x :)	[14:00]
luciash	i just wonder if they re-slipped in in some merge process or if they really are useful	[14:00]
jonnyb	i don't think they were ever KIL'ed	[14:01]
luciash	ah, i just dreamed about then :)	[14:01]
jonnyb	jonnyb wonders about luciash's dreams	[14:02]
luciash	i thought they were not there for some release but i must be wrong ok then, if they're used can i remove information.tpl ? my grep says it is not used from anywhere	[14:02]
sylvieg	I think we need them for old upgrades the tiki_1.8....	[14:04]
changi	luciash: last commit was about a global missing ?	[14:05]
luciash	yes, but did anybody actually test if it works ? i mean, there are mentions that is better to upgrade to 2.x first, then 3.x, etc. changi: ? my last commit ?	[14:05]
changi	luciash: r29597	[14:05]
luciash	changi: nope	[14:05]
ricks99	@luciash: last i understood, u can safely go from 1.9 -> anywhere in one shot	[14:06]
changi	ricks99: i'm not sure about this one	[14:06]
luciash	ricks99: ah, cool ricks99: and from 1.8 ? :)	[14:06]
changi	luciash: at the CoE we use 1.8to1.9, 1.9to2.0 and 2.0to3.0	[14:06]
ricks99	fodr that u need to migrate to 1.9 first (afaik)	[14:07]
changi	luciash: before using the upgrade system	[14:07]
luciash	changi: you mean manually < *.sql ?	[14:07]
changi	luciash: yes	[14:07]
luciash	ah	[14:07]
ricks99	speaking of upgrades, will there b a 5.1 -> 5.2 patch?	[14:07]
luciash	so it is not done by the installer automagically	[14:07]
changi	luciash: and don't forget to use -f, or mysql will stop on first error luciash: about my first question, i was just thinking if that commit should have a sql in installer/schema for thos who upgrade	[14:08]
luciash	changi: btw, i wasn't aware u r CoE gang guy too, until now :-p	[14:09]
changi	oops	[14:10]
luciash	changi: i think it is not meant for upgrades, that's why i told for fresh installs in the commit message beause people often modify their menu 42	[14:10]
changi	changi Ok for the record i work for the CoE	[14:10]
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fabricius	polom	[14:10]
luciash	hi fabricius	[14:10]
fabricius	again a problem :-( -> I do not need a solution for it inbetween the next few days, but I would like to get an imagination, what the reason might be:	[14:11]
luciash	changi: so how can i know what menu position should i put there for upgrades ?	[14:12]
fabricius	In my 3.6 Installation sydly still with latin1 allocation I can´t use certain PlugIns, like HTML, IFRAME, TAG all leads to a database query error	[14:12]
luciash	changi: what if the menu is modified or deleted or changed completely ?	[14:13]
ricks99	ricks99 thinks menu 42 should be non-modifiable, this way it can be 'upgraded' without impacting end-users	[14:13]
fabricius	right now I had to go into the phpMyAdmin and delete the TAG-PlugIn by hand, to get back access to the wikipage	[14:13]
luciash	ricks99: +1	[14:14]
fabricius	ricks99: => menu 42 => application menu? if yes, I would say so aswell	[14:14]
ricks99	well, thats what Smarties says, anyway. ;-) @fabricius: i use html and tags in 3.x with no issues.	[14:15]
luciash	fabricius: what is the error ? maybe you need GPC quotes or sybase quotes off in php.ini or something	[14:15]
fabricius	I know that it works - I have another tiki3 inst for a subproject, that was used productive (first time official use) and there I used HTML and IFRAME without probs aswell even in that problematic future main site (will upgrade to Tiki5, once Template is finished) I tested that some weeks ago without any problems what are GPC quotes?	[14:16]
luciash	ask google coffee time	[14:18]
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fabricius	hehe lol I make a picture of the error message	[14:19]
	http://www.vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-error-dbquery-001.jpg anybody an idea? i actually did switch off pending and approvel two or three days before	[14:25]
ricks99	this is 3.6LTS? i recall an issue with plugin security in an earlier 3.x try re-running the installer. select the UPGRADE option to re-run the SQL and make sure the table is built properly. iirc this was fixed in a 3.x patch.	[14:26]
fabricius	I am pretty sure, that it is 3.6 ... but maybe it´s earlier and the other inst, where it works is (defenitely 3.6 hm,ok	[14:27]
ricks99	99% that is the problem	[14:28]
fabricius	one problem, that I may not be able to fix in an easy way before the change to 5.x woulod be the allocation !?	[14:28]
luciash	ah, no clue, ricks99 is prossibly right	[14:28]
ricks99	1. check your tiki version for the "broken" site. 2. if at an earlier 3.x version, upgrade to 3.7LTS. should fix the issue	[14:29]
fabricius	thx ricks - so if I understand right, I will reinstall the tiki to the last (3.6) rerun the installer and upgrade the SQL I listen, ok	[14:29]
luciash	3.7	[14:29]
fabricius	-> 3.7	[14:30]
luciash	:)	[14:30]
fabricius	thxs guys luciash and ricks99 : I agreed with marc, that I make a description of my project in the community somewhere in dev.t.o or in t.o I desided now, to attach a wikistructure to my userpage have startet with a page - could anybody make a structure out of it for me? should be more or less temporary, it´s just the fact, that my project is based on some different workspace szenario and with that pages I can make some stuff easier for all, when I request some help and bring my learned stuff back to the documantation	[14:30]
changi	ricks99: +100 about the menu	[14:36]
ricks99	01@luciash & changi: maybe in Tiki 7: introduce new menu ID #0 as the Tiki-installed, full menu and allow no end-user modifications.	[14:36]
fabricius	in the end my goal would be to have my project running, perspectives and workspaces better documented in the t.os and perhabs a knd of szenario page - there is a list of those stuff somewhere, where I could add that	[14:36]
ricks99	This way no impact on exisitng sites (if they have modifications to menu 42) we already do similar: users cannot rename/delete the Registered or Anonymous group, etc. just a thought	[14:36]
fabricius	ricks99: ID #0 good idea from users point - i´d like that	[14:37]
ricks99	of course, #42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, universe and everything else. :-)	[14:38]
fabricius	we know :-D	[14:39]
changi	ricks99: why not !!	[14:39]
fabricius	I´d say the number is not the major issue - more important seems to be (for me) the fixed standart meu not to be interfered by the user if it was 0 or 42 - 42 might be more kind of ... a short expression of the Tiki World	[14:40]
ricks99	problem with using 42 now is that it will impact any site that modified it. i think it is safer to start fresh. just my $0.02 USD	[14:42]
fabricius	you like the music	[14:42]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29598 10/branches/6.x/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] pagehistory: Various fixes - use htmldiff for html pages, show is_html on history list, parse old and new html the same and allow horizontal scroll for wide lines.	[14:45]
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changi	luciash: should we replace all <label> with <p><label>	[15:11]
jonnyb	hi changi - what about <label>s already in a <p>? are there any? any idea why <label> not allowed any more?	[15:18]
luciash	jonnyb: explained in the commit msg	[15:21]
jonnyb	ok, but not allowed in <td> (which is where most of ours are), right?	[15:21]
luciash	changi: div might be safer, as p has some padding by default, but it depends on context jonnyb: yes, there is list where it is allowed in xhtml strict http://zvon.org/comp/r/ref-XHTML_1_0_Strict.html#Elements~label see the parents	[15:22]
jonnyb	might <span> be better?	[15:24]
luciash	most semantic would be fieldset	[15:25]
jonnyb	thx luciash - good ref site	[15:25]
luciash	yep, my favorite since ages :)	[15:27]
chealer	fabricius: GPC: GET/POST/COOKIE ricks99: why would there be a 5.2 upgrade patch :-?	[15:34]
fabricius	@ chealer thx @ admin -> is the wiki-structures feature active in the community website - tiki.org?	[15:35]
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luciash	fabricius: i don't think so, only on doc	[15:43]
ricks99	@chealer: for folks going from 5.1 -> 5.2 dont' we normally include a patch that includes only the files that have changed and SQL?	[15:52]
chealer	ricks99: oh, that kind of patch. no idea.	[15:56]
sylvieg	I am asked to change when broadcasting.. a message the title 'A new message was posted' by the real title of the message . Do I change in trunk or do I do a feature?	[16:01]
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MacLeod	TikiFest Tampa is getting underway on BigBlueButton.	[16:02]
sylvieg	will send a message on devel list	[16:02]
luciash	MacLeod: cool	[16:03]
MacLeod	live.tiki.org	[16:03]
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chealer	sylvieg: sorry but I don't get your question	[16:07]
luciash	MacLeod: do u have better mic where the netbook fan will not be heard that much ? MacLeod: it would be better to understand the audio	[16:16]
CIA-69	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29601 10/branches/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] objectperms: Show which perms are changed for direct object perms, should not change functionality.	[16:23]
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chealer	sylvieg: I understood the question in your mail. IMO this wouldn't be feature. either make it a global preference or change it as you want	[16:44]
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Darkbee	Hello All, quick question, can somebody tell me if it's possible to change the time format used in Calendars from 24 hour to 12 hour?	[17:03]
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luciash	Darkbee: should be possible on Admin > General > Time ...	[17:05]
Darkbee	I should probably be more specific.. my fault... when entering events. I'm using the Jcalendar, I haven't tried any other methods. Users see drop down boxes for the hours and minutes... and I had a user ask if the hours dropdown could be in 12 hour format. I guess many non computer techy people don't like 24 hour format. :-/ I think your suggestion Luciash effects only the display, not the input.	[17:06]
luciash	ah, that one, only via modifying the corresponding tpl or js file	[17:07]
ricks99	@Darkbee: y can hack the display value of the numbers in the drop list to show 1-12 keep the "value" as is. just need a series of {IF} statements...	[17:07]
luciash	Darkbee: or if you know jQuery you can hack using that	[17:08]
Darkbee	Okay, thanks for the responses. Helpful as always. :)	[17:09]
ricks99	if value = 0, display "midnight if value = 1-11, display #am if value = 12, display noon if value = 13-23, display 1-11pm etc actually, last one should be (#-12)pm ricks99 can't add or subtract correctly	[17:09]
Darkbee	Personally, I don't know what people have against 24 hour time.... it works out nicely in the computer world. :)	[17:12]
ricks99	yeah, well, my watch only has numbers 1-12 :-)	[17:12]
Darkbee	don't you tell the time via iPhone these days? A watch is so 20th century. ;)	[17:16]
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test_	Bonsoir Hi all	[17:27]
Darkbee	hello test	[17:30]
ricks99	i guess i'm an analog-kinda-guy :-) even have a retro-clock on my droid -- i'm definately not cool enuf for an iphone.	[17:32]
test_	You speak frenchy ?	[17:32]
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Darkbee	got to go, meeting time :-/	[17:45]
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ttrimm	JUST figured out what you were talking about yesterday fabricius ! http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=13	[18:52]
fabricius	hi ttrimm	[19:03]
ttrimm	Hi.	[19:03]
fabricius	there is kind of a workgroup for i18n - I think, I did already join, but did not really do so much work or communication with ´em	[19:04]
ttrimm	I had never heard of it, so it was a good thing you were around or course, I just added tikiwiki to my CZ preferences, so only recently started 'hanging out' here	[19:05]
fabricius	but in the next couple of days / end of next week, I will have to check my IRC logfiles and write some docs ;-) are you already working with Tiki?	[19:05]
ttrimm	I have it set up and have worked with it a bit.	[19:06]
fabricius	you will have a very quick start	[19:06]
ttrimm	http://teresat.net/wiki/tiki-index.php Oh I did. and wrote about it some on wikiHow. need to do more. do you know if you want various wikis do you have to reinstall it, or can you make different ones?	[19:07]
fabricius	the next couple of days I am very busy, but from end of next week I´ll be back here with a bit of more time the last couple of days I bothered the lads here with tons of questions, but I alway like to give a bit of a help back can u please say it a bit more focused?	[19:07]
ttrimm	I am the same way Ok. I have this work wiki. I would like to have maybe a personal or writing wiki...	[19:09]
fabricius	more clearly what exactly what you mean ... I just do not understand exactly	[19:09]
ttrimm	how would I do that?	[19:09]
fabricius	that differs on several factors generally speaking you can do everything in one Tiki installation - even if you work with loads of different people	[19:10]
ttrimm	and projects?	[19:10]
fabricius	it may be, that you need a private and a work database projects?	[19:11]
ttrimm	and also, can you make it so it isn't seen by everyone?	[19:11]
fabricius	what kind of project	[19:11]
ttrimm	just like a work project and a writing project where are you from fabricius West Coast here...of the states	[19:11]
fabricius	look at my user page attached pages 'Torstens Project' - there you see roughly for what kind and size of project I (beeingstill kind of a newbie) would recommend several installations Germany south of center http://tiki.org/torstens+project	[19:12]
ttrimm	thank you. was trying to find it	[19:13]
fabricius	once the project are very different, like you need complete different ADMIN team or complete different profile of use, or there are projectfor completely independant entities like two different assotiations, I would recommend different installations for different projects of more or less one group of registrants - no problem to divide them in different subgroups - ´than workspaces should match your needs	[19:15]
ttrimm	I am the only 'member' of any team.	[19:17]
fabricius	then u should absolutely need no more than one installation ONE Installation without any doubt	[19:17]
ttrimm	I like to do this stuff to learn about it and write about it on #wikiHow awesome	[19:17]
fabricius	for that you even need not the function-group workspaces	[19:18]
ttrimm	so I should check out the workspaces of it	[19:18]
fabricius	just categories groups and rights management	[19:18]
ttrimm	thank you.	[19:18]
fabricius	workspaces is a new - not yet full documented - bunch of old and new functions => a tool with huge functionallity I made up a pilotproject as absolute beginner (last year) -> hole intranet with different work groups in a 2.x Tiki depending on ur needs, perhabs even categories could be enough ... but perhabs the profs will correct me	[19:19]
ttrimm	will definitely research it.	[19:21]
fabricius	when I explain s.th. please consider, that I am still a newbie and I can be wrong ;-) jo	[19:21]
ttrimm	no problem...less of a newbie than I am!!	[19:22]
fabricius	you can write me an internal message in the community -> User: Torsten	[19:22]
ttrimm	never done that. will check that out too.	[19:22]
fabricius	In my situation still it seem hard to find somebody, whom I could help are u registered? that would be the first step ;-)	[19:23]
ttrimm	not sure. will look at that now	[19:23]
fabricius	http://tiki.org/tiki-register.php ;-)	[19:24]
ttrimm	thank you. Ok. Am now	[19:24]
fabricius	kk I have to continue work now -- big meeting tomorrow the hole day	[19:25]
ttrimm	sounds fun. thanks for everything!	[19:28]
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chealer	chealer needs to talk to Marc	[21:07]
ttrimm	I think he is in Florida at a tiki fest. maybe he will be on later??	[21:09]
chealer	yeah, I know he is thank ttrimm	[21:09]
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ttrimm	no problem	[21:18]
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fabricius	hey there is anybody here, who has at least some experience with perspectives?	[22:48]
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