#tikiwiki 2010-09-25,Sat

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Who	What	When
luciash	polom	[00:00]
fabricius	moloq	[00:07]
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luciash	fabricius: what do u want to know ?	[00:24]
fabricius	luciash: on what your question is related? did you just wonder that I did not yet ask, as usual? :-D generally I want to know all about workspaces and espcially about perspectives	[00:26]
luciash	:) i reacted to your last question did u read doc ?	[00:27]
fabricius	ah 00:48	[00:28]
luciash	yep	[00:28]
fabricius	yes I do every day	[00:28]
luciash	isn't it good enough ? http://doc.tiki.org/Workspace	[00:28]
fabricius	it is not - excuse me - basic enough	[00:30]
luciash	i recommend enabling perspectives feature or applying the category jailroot profile and play with it	[00:30]
fabricius	I do not understand at all	[00:30]
luciash	did u apply the jailroot profile already ? then head your browser to tiki-edit_perspective.php	[00:30]
fabricius	I did enable that and did set up some stuff already, but I also do not know how to apply a certain profile	[00:31]
luciash	and explore you do not know how to apply certain profile ? which one ?	[00:31]
fabricius	I am sorry ... up to where I am now all was very easy to learn and such	[00:31]
luciash	you can see how it works when you switch the perspective using the Perspective module then (for example the site title preference will be changed)	[00:32]
fabricius	but all the coding stuff - I actually have an imagination what that stuff might be, but I am like standing in front of a huge massive concete wall with some very small window	[00:32]
luciash	when you switch to perspective A, there will be This is perspective A set up as site_title when you switch to perspective B, it will be changed to This is perspective B etc.	[00:32]
fabricius	oops messages cleared hmmmpf ok, conceptually I understand that	[00:33]
luciash	and you can configure all that in the tiki-edit_perspective.php page and permissions via categories	[00:34]
fabricius	I can find the perspective and I can get there and name the, but I cannot ride them via categories?	[00:34]
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fabricius	hmm have a look, for that you know, where I am: http://tiki.org/Torstens+Project+Perspectives	[00:34]
luciash	already seen that	[00:35]
fabricius	ah you looked at it? nice thought its the basic I do not understand - to settle the horse and jump onto it, after I now understood how riding works in theory I do not find where to put my hands and feet at the workspace doc there I am missing some basic for a noncoder and non tiki markup nower	[00:36]
luciash	so you just put the objects all in the same category, and the perspective will show only what is set for that category	[00:38]
fabricius	and I think it is very important a) to have all them fine coding possibilities (I hopefully learn one day) but b) not to get those prejudices like Typo has Ok - I assign the module (or the menu aswell?) to the category - fine	[00:39]
luciash	you set the category ID in the perspective edit, that should do the trick	[00:40]
fabricius	ah I just put the ID in it?	[00:40]
luciash	yes	[00:40]
fabricius	like ' 5 ' or ' ID=5 '? or category Id = 5 ß ?	[00:41]
luciash	in the "Category Jail" input field	[00:41]
fabricius	hm is that the big one?	[00:41]
luciash	just 5 big one ?	[00:41]
fabricius	just 5 fine - checked ;-) tiki-edit-preferences sorry, I really feel like an AMSU right now	[00:41]
luciash	for example on tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3 you see the Configurations ? the first input field is Category Jail	[00:42]
fabricius	so I see a big field and in the middle stands 'configurations'	[00:44]
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fabricius	stands = is written	[00:44]
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fabricius	there the ID of the appropriate category I´d think?	[00:45]
luciash	yes, and under that (if you applied the profile before) you see "Category Jail" and field	[00:45]
fabricius	so a 1 for cat1 in this field of per1 and a 2 for cat2 in per2 ah now we are on a profile ID??? ooops	[00:46]
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fabricius	do we work with the profile now, or without? - If with, I need to apply - but I tried yesterday and never got a message if that happened or not I do not know, where to check, wichprofiles I have applied	[00:48]
luciash	with the profile it is easier as it is already prepared and demonstrated and you can play and learn	[00:48]
fabricius	Ihoped to have time to leave the profiles stuff for later on	[00:48]
luciash	profiles application (installation) is the easiest thing you don't have to edit the YAML code yet ;)	[00:49]
fabricius	so two choices for me: try to get the profile in or first do the connection between objects perspects and cats	[00:49]
luciash	first, have a testing Tiki 5 installed	[00:50]
fabricius	so admin -> profiles?	[00:50]
luciash	then, install the profile to it (sorry, apply)	[00:50]
fabricius	he luciash sure I have a Tiki5	[00:50]
luciash	then learn the perspective stuff on it yes admin > profiles search for jailroot apply	[00:50]
fabricius	cool, I´ll be back in a minute or two jailroot, ok mini profiles?	[00:51]
luciash	learning profiles search just for jail maybe i messed up the name	[00:54]
fabricius	I found Jailroot_Demonstration profiles.tikiwiki.org alpha, Learning profile (to show off feature), 4.x, 5.x	[00:55]
luciash	yes, that's it apply that please	[00:55]
fabricius	did click on Jailroot_Demonstration	[00:55]
luciash	yep, click on it and then apply button appears, sorry	[00:55]
fabricius	nope no button - loading ... waiting ... ... ... .. . . . .	[00:56]
luciash	it should appear shortly after it loads	[00:57]
fabricius	ahh Step 2: Click on a Profile to review and see description loading ... waiting ... ... ... .. . . . . nothing more might have a look yourself in tiki/live conference room?	[00:57]
luciash	it should load, otherwise you have a problem maybe something blocks it, firewall ? can you try on different server ?	[00:59]
fabricius	no firewall different server not tonight - havent prepared a quick Tiki5 install yet there what is, if it maybe is already loaded? yesterday evening	[01:00]
luciash	ah, hm, then it will not be easy for you to play with it	[01:01]
fabricius	normally that server must be alright	[01:01]
luciash	if already loaded, it would say "Applied" under the profile name and the label on the button would be "Re-apply ..."	[01:01]
fabricius	it´s just that we head off to another city at 6 (in 3 hrs) ah thx yetserday I have seen some apply buttons yesterday	[01:02]
luciash	ah, ok, then i will not bother you, have some rest, and drive safely i can make a screencast about it probably	[01:04]
fabricius	hmm thx I guess I will sleep in the car and luciash you r not bothering me ;-) anyway, I cannot apply for profiles tonight anymore could we go back to the pers for a moment - it seemed to be near a workthrough, to have one per set up and the other 6 then I could do by myself profiles i look onto, then when I came back and slept ... sunday evening :-D	[01:06]
luciash	ok, so you have perspectives on already, right ?	[01:09]
fabricius	jupi, I am on "tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3"	[01:09]
luciash	ok so for this perspective, lets say, you want different theme option	[01:10]
fabricius	should i quickly check my IDs?	[01:10]
luciash	are you in Firefox ?	[01:10]
fabricius	ah ok ... sorry, I listen yes ff	[01:10]
luciash	fine (because it doesn't work in Chrome)	[01:11]
fabricius	kk the perspective at all? or to make the setup?	[01:11]
luciash	to search there where you are now	[01:11]
fabricius	ah np	[01:11]
luciash	you see the search input field ?	[01:11]
fabricius	jupi what to put in there? jupi=yes sorry	[01:12]
luciash	write theme there and search theme just that there will appear the theme option dropdown you just drag and drop that on the Configurations area above then select orange.css from the dropdown and hit the save button now you have configured perspective ID 3 to display the orange theme option (if you use fivealive theme)	[01:13]
fabricius	I use tikinewt its the base of our corporate theme in three and will also in tiki5 so to repeat: you say: we are for ex. in perspective ID 3	[01:16]
luciash	ok, this is just for test... to test the perspective now, go to first tab and click the green arrow next to your perspective to switch the perspective	[01:18]
fabricius	ah stop there, where you did guide me to	[01:18]
luciash	or go to tiki-switch_perspective.php?perspective=3	[01:18]
fabricius	with this drop downs	[01:19]
luciash	and you will be in perspective 3 now and see the theme changed	[01:19]
fabricius	thats a white page with some drop downs on the upper left corner - is that right?	[01:19]
luciash	or whatever else you configure there from the drag and drop	[01:19]
fabricius	I have no drag and drop there gimme a sec	[01:19]
luciash	ok, try something else then you can search for any Tiki preference there	[01:20]
fabricius	http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-001.jpg	[01:23]
luciash	search for jail	[01:23]
fabricius	kk I´ll do find: Category Jail:	[01:23]
luciash	drag and drop it above in the Configurations area do you have it there ? your screenshot looks weird why is it missing the left and right columns and header and the rest of the page ?	[01:25]
fabricius	http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-002.jpg	[01:27]
luciash	why is feb12 there in the screenshot if you say you use tikinewt ?	[01:27]
fabricius	no idea why anything is missing	[01:27]
luciash	what the fuck you miss all the rest of the page it shouldn't look like that	[01:27]
fabricius	I did open the popups - there has been tiknewt at the first place	[01:27]
luciash	can you go to Admin > General and enable PHP error reporting please ?	[01:28]
fabricius	IDEA!	[01:28]
luciash	what popups ?	[01:28]
fabricius	I change to fivealive	[01:28]
luciash	i have no popups ah, and you need the JQuery UI enabled	[01:28]
fabricius	no not popup - dropdown, sorry misstyped	[01:28]
luciash	i think that s maybe problem you dont see what you should	[01:28]
fabricius	and php error I´ll check also mom	[01:29]
luciash	go and enable JQuery UI first	[01:29]
fabricius	jquery got I jo jupi ... er yes	[01:29]
luciash	tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=5 is JQuery UI enabled ? then go to tiki-admin.php?page=general and set PHP Error reporting level: Report all PHP errors except strict then return to tiki-edit_perspective.php	[01:31]
fabricius	jquery has been enabled: http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-003.jpg	[01:34]
luciash	fine	[01:35]
fabricius	PHP Error reporting level: Report all PHP errors except strict - is set now	[01:36]
luciash	fine	[01:36]
fabricius	oops my template is gone site is naked	[01:36]
luciash	what template ?	[01:36]
fabricius	no template (tikinewt is gone)	[01:36]
luciash	set it to the fivealive or whatever you want theme you mean ? maybe because you're already in the perspective go to tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=1 and change it to fivealive	[01:36]
fabricius	jo - onthe way anyway ;-) http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-004.jpg	[01:38]
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fabricius	ah tikinewt came back, when I arrived in the admin->look now switched to fivealive -done	[01:39]
luciash	you an run away from the perspective to the default one by going to tiki-switch_perspective.php (without any param)	[01:39]
fabricius	back to perspectives? did I?	[01:40]
luciash	yes, when you're in admin, perspectives are ignored usually	[01:40]
fabricius	wow#	[01:40]
luciash	so back to perspectives	[01:40]
fabricius	jo boss ;-)	[01:40]
luciash	go to them	[01:40]
fabricius	search theme? -> same result than before	[01:41]
luciash	can u screenie that for me ? tiki-edit_perspective.php	[01:41]
fabricius	white page with dropdowns jo mom	[01:41]
luciash	before you search	[01:42]
fabricius	http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-004.jpg oops before I had already before search I was here: http://mitglied2.vafk.de/tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3	[01:43]
luciash	i don't want this i want the one when you go first to tiki-edit_perspective.php	[01:44]
fabricius	kk, a sec - now I have 1st http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-006.jpg then http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-005.jpg ... going for first to tiki-edit_perspective.php now here we are: http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-007.jpg	[01:49]
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luciash	i don't understand why it opens in new tab for you	[01:53]
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luciash	you click the search button ? or hit Enter key ?	[01:53]
fabricius	in pict 7? there shouldn´t be one mom	[01:54]
luciash	in pic 6 you write jail in the search field and hit Enter key on your keyboard or click the Search button ?	[01:54]
fabricius	you tell me s.th to do now, or ask if I did before?	[01:56]
luciash	because if i click the Search button, it doesn't open new tab / window for me but displays the result correctly under the search field in the tiny white area (which gets expanded vertically then by the result) so i don't understand why it doesn't do it for you actaully because of course then you cannot drag and drop anything, when it is like that my Firefox is 3.6.10	[01:57]
fabricius	--> I did write "theme" into the search field of picture 6, did press ther enter key of my keyboard (or mouse onj search button) and the result was picture 5	[01:59]
luciash	ok, if i hit Enter key, nothing happens for me	[01:59]
fabricius	sry for misstyping ... if anybody finds the fault: keep it	[01:59]
luciash	only if i click the button, it works here, but correctly, not like that what it does for you which is bad	[02:00]
fabricius	I redo again and check with button and keyboard both time same result	[02:00]
luciash	bad :(	[02:02]
fabricius	checking PHP error mess now?	[02:02]
luciash	i wonder if it is caused by browser difference or something else do you use JS minify enabled ? no wonder you cannot do and learn anything with the perspectives when it doesn't work properly for you	[02:02]
fabricius	thx for understanding JS minify? I think it could be the same reason like with the profile? where I find JS minify?	[02:05]
luciash	Admin > Performance	[02:06]
fabricius	ah kk mom	[02:06]
luciash	yes, maybe Minify javascript is off here Minify CSS disabled too	[02:06]
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fabricius	here is not ticked all minify NOT ticked - are off	[02:08]
luciash	hmm, then i give up for tonight	[02:09]
fabricius	bottom bar debug? (ticked) ok I pleas you anyway for that long time to help me intensely	[02:09]
luciash	you should try on another server where it works correctly to see how it should actually work np, i learned something too	[02:09]
fabricius	I´d say on sunday I´ll make a proper installation on our project server again some stuff for the docs - once a solution will arise :-D in the end I will get perspectives and I will get them on this server (while checking on the others) thx again and a goognight to you	[02:10]
luciash	good night	[02:13]
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olinuxx	hi Is TikiWiki has a feature who permit to users "registred" to have a personnal menu where they can put favorits links ? !help favourit links	[02:35]
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olinuxx	!help favourit	[02:39]
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olinuxx	!help favorit	[02:39]
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olinuxx	!help favorites	[02:40]
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olinuxx	mmm ... I'll wait for human answer :)	[02:41]
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fabricius	hehehehe to your answer: you just have to grant the group "registered" the appropriate rights <- olinuxx	[03:01]
ttrimm	is this from our earlier conversation?	[03:03]
olinuxx	fabricius, not sure to understand, is it a module or juste give rights to manage an unique part of the menu's administration ?	[03:03]
fabricius	if you want, you could make even every self-registering new member to a full admin automatically, if you include admin group int registered - if I am not completely wrong what kind of menu do you mean? ah sry look to the rights related to myTiki	[03:03]
olinuxx	fabricius, ok, but it's for LinuxMAO (>3.000 registreds) I'm not sur it's a good idea to give admin's rights to all :)	[03:04]
fabricius	all my personal stuff is myTiki - like internal messages, my contribution etc	[03:05]
olinuxx	fabricius, ok, thanks for pointed me this way	[03:05]
fabricius	np	[03:05]
luciash	feature user bookmarks + module exist iirc	[03:06]
fabricius	iirc? mom tiki5?	[03:06]
luciash	>learn iirc as If I Remember Correctly	[03:06]
Sug4r	OK, here we go!	[03:06]
fabricius	thx luci	[03:07]
olinuxx	luciash, and fabricius : even with our tiki 2.4 ?	[03:07]
fabricius	uhhhhh	[03:08]
olinuxx	yes ... I know fabricius :P	[03:08]
luciash	yes	[03:08]
olinuxx	I'm working on migration this time ;) luciash, ok, thanks, I go to check this	[03:08]
luciash	bookmarks is old feature	[03:08]
fabricius	why that - I startet with 2.2 for three month, then turned to 3.2 to 3.6 (7) and from 5 it really start to rock	[03:08]
olinuxx	bookmark are bundled with Tiki ?	[03:09]
fabricius	but olinuxx dont listen to me too well, I am still a newbie olinuxx: all is bundled with tiki	[03:09]
olinuxx	ok, me too :)	[03:09]
fabricius	not features like bigbluebutton - thats kind of an attached different project but the normal functionalities are all part of the project one part of the tiki philosophy is: out of the box another one is: eat your own dogfoot thats why it rocks imho not only because of that the people indeed	[03:10]
olinuxx	dogfoot ? what it is ?	[03:12]
fabricius	so I go for a smoke ah ok use your own stuff	[03:12]
luciash	dogfood :) not dogfoot	[03:12]
olinuxx	ok, it's an expression héhé thanks for informations	[03:12]
fabricius	ahhh missspelling sooorrryyy I am very very tired	[03:13]
luciash	funny to eat own dog foot ;)	[03:13]
fabricius	jo really funny	[03:13]
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olinuxx	ahah !	[03:13]
luciash	lol	[03:13]
olinuxx	:)	[03:13]
dogfoot	fupp	[03:13]
luciash	my eyes are closing here too	[03:14]
dogfoot	olinuxx: you know what is an AMSU?	[03:14]
olinuxx	dogfoot, give me your feet, I'm hungy !	[03:14]
luciash	gotta go i think	[03:14]
olinuxx	dogfoot, no	[03:14]
luciash	enjoy .)	[03:14]
olinuxx	luciash, good night :)	[03:14]
dogfoot	KK c ya soon luciash and thx	[03:14]
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fabricius	olinuxx: perhabs I did not give you the very right direction regarding to find the appropriate rights tiki-admingroups.php anyway you must go to tiki-admingroups.php do not remember, if its the same name in tiki2.x, but think so and then find there a button or yellow keys each besides one group in a table - to manage groups rights a button on top somewhere and the keys besides the groups ;-) so tiured, sorry	[03:17]
olinuxx	no, thanks for suppot :) good night me too, I'll go to bed bye fabricius - dogfoot ;)	[03:20]
fabricius	you need to find a huge list of very specific rights- each with a tick box scroll through that and find the appropriate bye then	[03:21]
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fabricius	chibaguy: hi, stefan (sitting besides me) asks me where you are from?	[06:04]
chibaguy	originally I am from Oregon, in the US, but now I live in Chiba, Japan.	[06:08]
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fabricius	cool chibaguy stefan and me, we come from germany me from bavaria and he from baden-wuerthemberg he lives not so far from my girlfriends house he joined the Tiki recently and says it would be ... quite a killer - same say I	[06:28]
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pistekjakub	hi is there some IT man ?	[07:23]
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xavi	polom xavi has just tried a the new article clipping & newsletter sending in tiki6 xavi didn't get the article clipping to work (article shown in the newsletter interface, not received in the newsletter :-/ )	[08:50]
chibaguy	hi xavi. what is the clipping feature, exactly? chibaguy not paying attention.	[08:54]
xavi	hi chibaguy. :-) let me search for some documentation (nkoth wrote something somewhere)	[08:54]
chibaguy	ok, thanks.	[08:54]
xavi	And I copied that info here: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki6#Clipping_of_Article_titles_or_headings_to_a_newsletter btw, it seems that a few jquery plugins (at least) are not working in doc.t.o (as anons, at least, and using chromium) neither reflect nor spreadsheet interface for sheet plugin: http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+jq dogfooding issues, I guess even if they look weird, becuase that's working in other sites running trunk who knows...	[08:55]
chibaguy	I sort of get the idea about clipping, but does it mean that part of an article will be pasted into a newsletter?	[08:57]
xavi	yes as html	[08:58]
chibaguy	how do you specify what to clip? Is it like a wiki plugin with parameters?	[08:58]
xavi	howevr, I don't get (yet) why that feature exists as such, since it can be reproduced similarly (afaik) with module last articles, with a number of articles or a time frame what to clip:I think that you can see how long you want the time period for the articles to be clipped e.g.: articles in the last 120 days or adding some syntax somewhere, somehow, which I haven't tried yet	[08:59]
chibaguy	I see.	[09:00]
xavi	but I didn't get the information about the article that was shown in the newsleter interface, when I clicked in "clip now"	[09:00]
chibaguy	somebody was asking in the forum about being able to paste a forum post text into a wiki page, which sounds like similar functionality.	[09:01]
xavi	anyway, it has the nice feature to be able to edit by hand in the newsletter interface the contents that you get from other tiki features (articles, so far), which is something missing when you add content using wiki plugins... "past a forum post in a wiki page": well, we need some module or plugin to do that, I guess but I don't understand why that is needed s/past/paste	[09:01]
chibaguy	ah, somebody said they had a site (not tiki) where people wanted to be able to easily reference a forum post, in a wiki page, to save the "jewels" of forum discussions, show a "clipping" and a link to the forum. could be done with a wikiplugin for sure, but would have to be coded, was my reply.	[09:04]
xavi	well, for the time being, "copy & paste" inside the qupte plugin in that wiki page, with the addition to the url of that forum post.... that would do also already I would go for the "copy & paste" feature added to tiki, instead much more versatile click on "copy" somewhere that text is copied to some "Tiki clipboard" go somewhere else in Tiki, and click on "paste" That type of feature was added to Tiki workspaces many years ago (inside AulaWiki mod), but that feature was lost, as we kind-of-lost that mod... copy-paste was working for tiki resources (a full forum, and full blog, a full survey, tiki structure,e tc.), that could be copied to somewhere else (Another workspace) anyway...	[09:06]
chibaguy	interesting	[09:09]
xavi	that is just to say that a generic "copy & paste" feature for text, would be more versatile, I think "interesting": I know. A pity we couldn't keep that coder of aulawiki workspcaes and tikidav in the Tiki community for longer	[09:09]
chibaguy	yeah, what if there was module (or some other mechanism) and when you click it, it pastes a wikiplugin syntax that has the highlighted text as data and the url as a parameter? would be very cool.	[09:10]
xavi	cool: yes, for sure. +1 well, back to testing newsletter and automatic sending of newsletters...	[09:11]
chibaguy	ok :-)	[09:11]
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	well, I submitted a feature request "Global site reference tool" (http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3560) if anyone has some ideas. chibaguy wishes for more hours in the day, more skills, faster-working brain, etc.	[09:29]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3560 - - Global site reference tool - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3560	[09:31]
xavi	xavi joins chibaguy's wish :-)	[09:33]
chibaguy	unfortunately, no tracker to submit that wish (except prayers, I guess ;- ) ).	[09:35]
xavi	argh, there is something wrong in doc.t.o... preview button at the bottom of thepage shows error page: "You must specify a page name, it will be created if it doesn't exist." tracker to submit those wishes: yes, prayer-tracker :-)	[09:36]
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	mmm, anyone here which has ever used the "Tiki User Credits" feature? http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+User+Credits xavi wonders how to grant credits to someone	[09:56]
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chibaguy	chibaguy thinks Tiki functionality would grow by about 200% without any extra coding if every feature was fully documented and possible to be used. chibaguy thinks the Tiki coding pioneers are way out in front of the Tiki settlers, farmers, etc.	[10:26]
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chibaguy	Is the fullscreen button missing in Tiki 5?	[12:28]
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changi	chibaguy: i don't see it	[12:39]
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chibaguy	changi, it's ok in branch 6, though. I wonder how long a checklist would be, to be sure all features etc are working for each release....	[12:58]
changi	very long	[13:02]
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chibaguy	:-)	[13:10]
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luciash	chibaguy: hi, someone hidden it in fivealive in 5	[13:14]
chibaguy	hi luciash. do you see it in other themes? I don't, in the few I tried.	[13:19]
luciash	hmm, or layout css ? i think i fixed it for 6 (brng it back) not sure about tiki 5 latest branch5 ?	[13:23]
changi	yes	[13:24]
luciash	maybe it was in layout.css or design.css, i don't remember correctly	[13:25]
changi	all themes have the same issue	[13:26]
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Wizek	hi there I'd like to use tikiwiki for my site, because I need certain features of it. But it seems to be too robust and loaded with a lot of features I don't need yet. How can I disable as much of those as I don't need? I only want it to construct the HTML page for the entrys and use my JS and CSS files for now. I'll expand my site gradually.	[13:27]
luciash	chibaguy: you will figure out :)	[13:36]
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luciash	Wizek_: just disable all on Admin > Features	[13:38]
Wizek_	luciash: taking a look	[13:38]
luciash	keep only wiki and setup on Admin > wiki to your needs alternatively you can use teh Articles (CMS) feature only... or if you want really go hardcore, enable the deprecated HTML pages feature only and disable wiki... you'll have plain html pages, but not good for SEO iirc but the wiki way has the advantage of keeping history of your changes for you, so i recommend it xavi: hi xavi: tonight i was playing with perspectives (workspaces) and they're really powerful	[13:39]
xavi	hi luciash glad you know how to I will when yuo need just a few clicks to go through them	[13:45]
luciash	xavi: you know too, right ?	[13:46]
xavi	xavi getting lazy as time passes... xavi still dreams of some simple UI , requesting a few clicks to have the workspace cretaed for you, etc.	[13:46]
luciash	you mean datachannels and user tracker at registration time couldn't do the job ? but simple perspective, like having your own logo and theme per user already is possible with the perspectives edit in few clicks (and drag and drops) ;) s/per user/per perspective user has view perms on/	[13:48]
xavi	no idea, luci, too much giberish to me. I'll understand when I see working examples documetned, and not theories xavi is starting to get bored of hearing about datachannels, but very little documentation about working examples and proven use cases (and profiles to use them). bbl (luch time + walk the dog) btw, just finished adding some more documentation of what I understood of: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+User+Credits bbl	[13:55]
Wizek_	how do I create a Theme for Tiki? I'd like to include my cusom CSS file *custom	[13:57]
luciash	Wizek_: start with empty.css	[14:00]
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luciash	Wizek_: copy it and rename to yourthemename.css and paste your css at the end of the file	[14:00]
Wizek_	luciash: ty	[14:01]
luciash	Wizek_: if you have some images or other files related to the theme, put them in styles/yourthemename/ subdirectory xavi: sorry, i will try to create profile for it maybe xavi: "Workspace Wizard" or something like that	[14:01]
Wizek_	luciash: Hah! I've found an error in the default Empty.css :D Is it good if I say it here? Is anyone interested? :)	[14:04]
luciash	why is that error so funny ? good to say here	[14:05]
chibaguy	I've never looked at empty.css since it was made, I think. (didn't really think it was very helpful) I usually start a theme by copying an existing theme like jqui.css, which is pretty basic already. ..but has things styled that are usually good to style.	[14:06]
Wizek_	@import url("layout/design.css)"; this way design.css wasn't imported	[14:07]
luciash	Wizek_: it is no error it is correct CSS	[14:09]
Wizek_	)" has to be swapped to ")	[14:09]
luciash	ah, right, sorry, overlooked the quote is misplaced thank you	[14:09]
Wizek_	yep, yw :) I never thought I'd contribute to tiki development this quickly :D	[14:10]
luciash	hehe	[14:10]
Wizek_	Is there a way I can clean up this (http://prntscr.com/z2hi) mess tiki creates for page structure? I do not need that many divs there...	[14:12]
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luciash	yes	[14:13]
Wizek_	luciash: how? I'm listening. I only need an article section, where content goes, and a top menu section, which I hope tici will be able to generate me as I need it.	[14:15]
luciash	Wizek_: you can start using skeleton theme instead which has also custom template file in templates/styles/skeleton/tiki.tpl (which is slightly reduced, but some divs are still mandatory, if you need column layout... if you don't, you can remove lot except #tiki-center) the default tiki.tpl is in templates/ root	[14:15]
Wizek_	taking a look	[14:15]
luciash	every theme can have its own tpl file overriding the default ones btw but it is not recomended for column designs because of upgrades will be painful to check what changed in the original templates	[14:16]
Wizek_	what do you refer to with column designs?	[14:17]
luciash	oh, yes, for top you need #header and for footer, #footer divs of course, to keep too left and right columns	[14:17]
Wizek_	I won't have those.	[14:18]
luciash	if you plan only header and main content, then you don't need such complex layout in templates	[14:18]
Wizek_	exactly :)	[14:18]
luciash	if you want fixed width centered design, you need to keep the #fixedwidth div that should do it happy styling	[14:19]
Wizek_	luciash: so should I overwrite the tiki.tpl or I copy somewhere and rename it?	[14:19]
luciash	better is copy to templates/styles/yourthemename/tiki.tpl	[14:20]
Wizek_	alright	[14:21]
chibaguy	Wizek_: http://themes.tiki.org/Tiki+Transforming (and links from that page) outline the process to make a new theme. page is a little old but still has the basics. bbl	[14:21]
olinuxx	mmh luciash, I've watch on the module's side that you pointed me last night, but I don't find that I'm search, can you look it 2 mins please ? (or no ?)	[14:35]
Wizek_	luciash: I've copied and edited tiki.tpl but it doesn't seem to have any effect	[14:38]
luciash	Wizek_: no way, it must work try go to tiki-admin_system.php?do=all to clear your Tiki cache	[14:39]
Wizek_	done, no change. I placed it in styles/MyStyle dir with the name tiki.tpl	[14:41]
luciash	wrong place told u where to copy few lines above	[14:41]
Wizek_	yea, missed templates folder	[14:42]
luciash	ok	[14:43]
	olinuxx: sorry ? olinuxx: i don't remember xactly	[14:50]
olinuxx	luciash, for have bookmark for users I watch it, all is actived, but if you look on linuxmao.org, you have a "test olinuxx" on upper menu, section "Mon linuxMAO" who links to bookmark I try to have bookmarks on this menu, directly, without pass by tiki_user_bookmark luciash, is it possible ?	[14:52]
luciash	nope you can have the bookmarks module as menu on left, but not included in regular menu per user afaik	[14:55]
olinuxx	mm interesting ... :) I go to look on it, thanks ;)	[14:57]
luciash	look for the module	[14:58]
olinuxx	I'm on it ;)	[14:59]
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xavi	back thanks luciash for your offering to create a demo profile for workspaces	[15:24]
olinuxx	luciash, It's enabled now ! Thanks again :) luciash, ques_tion : Is the wiki syntaxe works with 3.X (and after) version ? With my 2.4, I need to put "tiki-index?page=stuff"	[15:26]
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xavi	changi ? http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build seems to be down "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" mose ? see above in case you mose also have access to that dev.t.o server (I don't know) sylvieg ^fyi einc? nowadays, it loads.... who knows, unstable dev.t.o , it seems buit at least now it loads to me again	[18:04]
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luciash	hi where are browser titles set for Tiki ? some are missing and i would like to add them but cannot find where for example tiki-edit_perspective.php has no browser title	[23:20]
	ah, found it $smarty->assign('headtitle', tra('Perspectives'));	[23:26]
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mike_hurley_1	hopefully this is an obvious question as the tikiwiki documentation wasn't too clear...can tikiwiki do inline categories like media wiki?	[23:55]
ricks99	Tiki has extensive category support. What is an "inline" category? I am not overly familiar with mediawiki	[23:57]
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mike_hurley_1	in media wiki you can put in the page body '[[Category:bla]]' and category bla is created and the page is put in that category without having to admin the categories separately	[23:59]

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