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daniamluciash, are u still there? I have a question. [00:26]
Tikiwiki|botWelcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile 		[00:26]
daniamLuci, I'm looking for the embed code of the videos. do you have access to the publish menu? [00:30]
ttrimmthe TikiWiki bot needs a spelling correction [00:32]
Caarriettrimm: where? [00:34]
ttrimmthe biggest thing would be the dont...it should be don't with an apostrophe
and also, after channel, there should be a period...
and Irc should be IRC...
this type of stuff is what I do on wikiHow 		[00:35]
Caarrieit has used that phrase for several months and no one has said anything is wrong with it [00:35]
ttrimmttrimm has the soul of a born proofreader
most people won't catch it and those that do, most won't say anything...
I, however, don't tend to know how to keep quiet 		[00:35]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r29926 10/branches/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: some more strings translated (& installation process revised & strings updated) [14:28]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r29927 10/branches/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: more translations [15:59]
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tikiwiki: 03chealer * r29928 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-forums.tpl: [FIX] HTML [16:48]
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r29929 10/branches/6.x/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] HTML [16:59]
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chealerpolom
luciash: ping 		[17:28]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29930 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] wysiywg plugins: Use img or div's style to show more representative positioning, use modern short plugin syntax when possible, fix missing brackets in syntax, add kaltura to no-wysiwyg list (it's all JS). [18:03]
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29931 10/branches/6.x/ (lib/userslib.php tiki-adminusers.php): [FIX] adminusers: Allow admin to set "User must change password at next login" without having to know (or reset) their password. [18:12]
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tikiwiki: 03chealer * r29932 10/branches/6.x/templates/ (15 files in 4 dirs):
tikiwiki: Change DOCTYPE from Strict to Transitional
tikiwiki: Ref: "HTML Strict vs Transitional" on tikiwiki-devel (reverts r29512) 		[18:32]
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luci|abroadpolom
chealer: pong 		[18:57]
jonnybhi luci|abroad [18:57]
luci|abroadhi jonnyb :) [18:58]
jonnybi've been searching for a good xhtml validator that will work on localhost - know any? [18:58]
luci|abroadlocalhost without connection to internet ?
jonnyb: ^ 		[19:06]
jonnybwell, localhost not accessible from the internet - like on my laptop (where i can edit the files)
this one looks ok http://www.totalvalidator.com/ (free and pro version - free one looks usable)
and there's a Fx add-on
there are a couple of big things to fix for xhtml (i.e. in lots of files)
forms cannot have names anymore, and inputs cannot be on the root of a form - we have lots of them 		[19:08]
luci|abroadyep, i use Web Developer add-on for FF or built-in Opera validate local [19:12]
jonnybwe should discuss what to do - shame we're not in the same place anymore ;) [19:14]
luci|abroadwhat to do / imho fix what u can if you feel for it or leave as it is and fix later during the 6.x lifetime [19:15]
jonnyblooks like about 50 forms with names
might break JS so would need checking one by one
say 15 minutes per form? about 12 hours work...
i presume we could rollback the doctype later (just before release) and all would be well again? including all the strict fixes we've done already? 		[19:16]
luci|abroadpersonally i do not care about the fact we are not 100 percent xhtml strict valid unless it breaks stuff / tiki wasn`t valid before with transitional anyway so i think it will be just one step back if we rollback the doctype [19:23]
jonnybbut this can actually break stuff - the confirm.tpl form wasn't happy, and was fine in transitional, even if not 100% valid
the inputs inside it got all tangled up in the form's attributes - nasty 		[19:25]
luci|abroadtangled up, ah, hmm, nasty, well, bad code, it should always work with id, not name, but sure, this is bad side-effect if doctype breaks it, rollback then if it is too much work to change... a pity [19:31]
lindon_what does it mean for an input to be in the root of the form? [19:32]
luci|abroadlindon_: xhtml strict says it should be more semantic and put input tag not in form directly but wrap them in one of the fieldset, div, p, or other block type tag
don`t know why but it is fact 		[19:34]
lindon_so <form></form><p><input></input></p>? [19:36]
luci|abroadlindon_: </form> at the end of course [19:37]
lindon_ok, so: <form><p><input></input></p></form> [19:38]
jonnybthe confirm thing was not because of the name/id thing i think - it was because the inputs we on the form "root", and one of them was called name="submit" - the form thought that was it's submit function!
also there was one called name="name" (nice), so the JS couldn't even find the $(form[name=confirm]) 		[19:39]
luci|abroadomg [19:40]
jonnybi fear some of the other 50 or so forms we have will have the same problem
indeed
naughty javascript! 		[19:40]
luci|abroadluci|abroad nods [19:40]
jonnybi presume it'll only break when there are bad names (like name and submit) and when the form is accessed by JS
i seem to remember there were a worrying number of name="name" inputs in tiki 		[19:41]
luci|abroadso in transitional it worked ? [19:42]
jonnybmust have [19:42]
luci|abroadweird [19:42]
jonnybyes, (hooray for aptana's search history) - about 150 occurrences of $_(:?REQUEST|POST)[['"]name['"]] [19:43]
luci|abroadthats pretty whole lotta [19:44]
lindon_now 36 hours [19:45]
jonnyb55 occurrences of names*=s*['"]name['"] (probably the same 50 forms with name instead of id ;) )
i think wrapping them in a div fixes it
i might rollback my change of name to login on adminusers and see if the div wrapping fixes it really (as it's completely broken without it) 		[19:45]
luci|abroadok [19:52]
CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29933 10/branches/6.x/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] xhtml: Add Content-Script-Type and Content-Style-Type defaults for scripts and styles
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29934 10/branches/6.x/templates/modules/mod-search.tpl: [FIX] xhtml: Empty size was not valid - also changed to using width which works nowadays 		[19:52]
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jonnybmost weird - i rolled back r29918 locally and it still seems that an input name=name in a form becomes the form's "name" attribute (instead of a string)
can this be really happening?? 		[20:11]
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robertphey jonnyb: did you look any further into server side js? [20:14]
jonnybhi robertp - no, not yet [20:14]
robertpFor us to know which apache plugin to use.
ok 		[20:14]
jonnybhaving too much fun with xhtml validation! ;) [20:14]
chealerhi all
luci|abroad: I wanted to discuss the DOCTYPE but everything is said in my mail 		[20:15]
robertplol
jonnyb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext_%28JavaScript_library%29 - seems like it is pretty popular. 		[20:15]
jonnybhi chealer - did you catch any of the chat luci|abroad, lindon_ and i were having re: validation? [20:16]
chealerjonnyb: yes. I use validate from wdg-html-validator which I installed yesterday, though I don't know if it's good yet [20:17]
jonnybis it x-platform? [20:17]
chealerjonnyb: I was also thinking it would be nice if we were still together :-S [20:17]
jonnyb:) [20:18]
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robertpjonnyb: http://www.sencha.com/ is the main company, with ext as a product. [20:18]
chealerjonnyb: I don'T know, it seems Linux/UNIX-centric
http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/ 		[20:19]
jonnybchealer: might be a mac port - checking
robertp: all that stuff's for after 6.0 for me i'm afraid - even if it is sunday night 		[20:19]
robertp:)
I understand. 		[20:20]
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luci|abroadrobertp: did u know the guy who made RaphaelJS is working for them currently ? (Sencha) [20:22]
robertpI did not know that.
GOod to know.
I think it is kinda a monopoly when it comes to a ssjs plugin that is easy to integrate into apache. 		[20:22]
jonnybrobertp: did you see luci|abroad 's photos form ny? [20:23]
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chealerthanks for the photos luci|abroad [20:24]
luci|abroadchealer: u r welcome
there are still some to come, sorry the descriptions are not as much funny anymore as those from Barcelona
(captions) 		[20:25]
robertpjonnyb: Nah, where are they? [20:26]
luci|abroadrobertp: linked from http://tiki.org/TikiFestNewYork6 [20:27]
jonnybluci|abroad: thx - beat me to it ;) [20:27]
chealerjonnyb: I agree we shouldn't fix too much HTML in 6.x once 6 is stable [20:28]
jonnybi'd say when we're working on them anyway, anytime you see a form name=something change it to an id (or remove if unused) [20:29]
luci|abroadrobertp: the wikipedia article says "The change in license over time, from a permissive open source license to a restrictive dual license, caused controversy in the ExtJS user community."
btw 		[20:29]
jonnyband we'll see next week or 2 how many validation errors we still have (and revert the doctype if needed) [20:30]
robertpthanks luci|abroad [20:30]
luci|abroadjonnyb: good plan [20:30]
robertpI didn't even check the license, I should have looked there first.
Watch, it'll be like s5, we'll have to do it ourselfs (rolles eyes). 		[20:30]
chealerjonnyb: I'm still unsure if Strict was the cause of the confirm problem. it's part of the puzzle, but I'm still getting tons of errors depending on how I validate. but I found one way to validate with no errors in Transitional. if I save on my local disk and use validate.
I'm pretty sure there's at least a Web Developer/Firefox bug 		[20:31]
jonnybon the confirm "dialog"? [20:32]
luci|abroadrobertp: hopefully not :) [20:33]
robertpHey Guys, how did the session on aptana go? [20:34]
chealerjonnyb: yes [20:34]
robertpDid you ever get xdebug and ubuntu playing nice? [20:34]
chealerhey robertp. it went very well. my system is not as buggy as I thought with Aptana (Debian testing) :-) [20:35]
jonnybchealer: most of the errors are solved by wrapping everything in a form in a div [20:35]
chealerrobertp: jonnyb was able to get xdebug integration work for me :-D
robertp: we did a small update to the doc page 		[20:35]
jonnybi thought you did it chealer - it just worked didn't it? [20:36]
chealerjonnyb: or going to Transitional, I guess, yes. but I still get many errors with Transitional. I'm going to check some BTS-s [20:36]
jonnybwas loads more hassle on marc's windows thing [20:36]
robertplol [20:36]
chealerjonnyb: well, after you configured it, yes [20:37]
robertpLooking at documentation. [20:37]
lindon_yes, marc's machine almost won [20:37]
jonnybi thought he lost heart after a few hours...
and when it finally did work the bug we tried was really wiggly 		[20:38]
lindon_the vision that good documentation could get you all the way there was dealt a setback
temporarily ;) 		[20:43]
jonnyb:D [20:43]
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robertpI wish I had been there, I've set it up in windows before and it only took just a few minutes.
I used xampp though, which can make things a bit easier. 		[20:51]
lindon_i've also been able to easily with windows and xampp
with marc, we were getting weird error messages that the 10000 port was in use, which is what zend was using, even though we were using xdebug
deleted zend debugger plugin from aptana and it solved that
marc also couldn't log into phpmyadmin
reinstalling xampp solved that
was also originally pointing to wrong php executable
and we used another version of xdebug rather than the one that came with xampp
and that's all there was to it! 		[20:52]
jonnybit was mainly that he had installed the IIS stuff when testing the windows installer thing so had 2 phps and mysqls (as you just said lindon_ ;) ) [20:57]
hrsmsI'm using a tracker for registered users. It used to be that I could click on an entry and go to an edit page. Now I get a "page not found" error. The page title is "item" ---> [tiki install dir]/item&trackerId=1&show=view. Can anyone help?
version 5.3, by the way 		[20:59]
robertpjonnyb, lindon_, I'm going to update the xdebug for ubuntu on the installing aptana page... At least for ubuntu 10.04. Is that ok? [21:01]
lindon_yes, please!
i only had a linux machine briefly, so I'm sure it needs improving 		[21:01]
robertplindon_: It looks like some of the structure of the page might have to change to incorporate this. But it is just a few lines long to get it working with ubuntu with it's own version of xdebug. Take a look: http://scottfaisal.com/installing-xdebug-on-ubuntu-10-04/
I looked at a few other tutorials, none of them even got it working, this one, 3 seconds and it was working great! 		[21:04]
lindon_i see what you mean about structure [21:07]
chealerhrsms: is SEFURL enabled? [21:08]
lindon_robertp: is this meant for use with xampp or without? [21:09]
hrsmsSorry. I'm new at this. Would you mind explaining SEFURL? I changed _htacess to .htacces, if that's what you mean [21:09]
robertplindon_: without. w/ ubuntu you can have it running in nearly 1 line from the terminal. [21:09]
hrsmsBTW chealer, I did search and find some discussion between you and chibaguy on this topic, but if there was a resolution, I didn't see or understand it [21:10]
chealercan somebody confirm that, if you try validating the CSRF confirm page (say from admin users user edit) using Firefox's Web Developer "Validate local HTML" tool, the page sent for validation is the previous one (the one with user fields)? it should be easy to tell from the code snippets in errors if you're in HTML Strict. [21:10]
lindon_robertp: sounds good. just thinking about the page. it was originally meant to describe how to set up an ide with aptana/xampp/xdebug [21:11]
robertpok [21:11]
hrsmsI also found some discussion about safe mode, but it seemed to be for much older versions [21:11]
chealerhrsms: SEFURL means Search Engine-Friendly URLs. it allows to use shorter URL-s, say http://localhost/Foo instead of http://localhost/tiki-index.php?page=Foo
hrsms: there is an option in Tiki to make it use SEFURLs or not
if you enable it, you need to rename _htaccess to .htaccess 		[21:12]
hrsmsI'm sure I set this in the past, but I'll go check the current setting [21:13]
lindon_robertp: maybe this should be just one of the ide pages and there should be a separate one for other configurations [21:14]
robertpThat sounds good. [21:14]
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lindon_robertp: are you working on time sheets? [21:15]
robertpnot yet, I wanted to get trackers and sheets working together.
Link them, more or less. 		[21:15]
lindon_makes sense [21:16]
robertpSo this very second I'm finishing up a few loose ends with sheet diff, and then I'm off to that. [21:16]
lindon_ok [21:16]
hrsmsYes, Search engine friendly url is already checked in admin page, and I already changed _htaccess to .htaccess. [21:17]
lindon_also doing some last minute 6x fixes frist
"first" 		[21:17]
hrsmsany more clues? [21:31]
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chealerhrsms: do other SEFURL-s work?
I'm wondering if item&trackerId=1&show=view is right 		[22:04]
hrsmsDoes this look like a sefurl: http://www.hrsms.org/home/Dutch+botter+MK12 ? [22:12]
chealerhrsms: yes, if there's no filename in it [22:12]
hrsmsThen yes, it appears other sefurls are working [22:12]
chealerhrsms: which version do you use and on which version did you move _htaccess to .htaccess? [22:13]
hrsmsI started with 4.x (I think). Two or three months ago (?) I moved to 5.0. Can't say that I ever tried to edit a tracker after that move until yesterday, when I discovered this problem. I upgraded to 5.3 today to try and get around this problem, but it didn't help. [22:15]
chealerhrsms: did you customize .htaccess? [22:16]
hrsmsI deleted all the old files to install 5.3 completely. Made a backup of the theme files I'd edited, and the DB. When I installed 5.3 I manually added db/local.php to point to my old DB. I think when I moved to 5.0 I just installed over top of the 4.x. Can't remember for certain. Don'r recall having to add db/local.php when I moved to 5.0, which would seem to indicate I did just overwrite the files
No, I did not customize .htaccess
just styles 		[22:18]
chealerhrsms: so what did you do with htaccess when you upgrade to 5.3? [22:19]
hrsmsJust changed it from underscore to dot
It's the file that came with 5.3 download. I had removed all the old files first 		[22:19]
chealerhrsms: so your .htaccess is the same as the Tiki 5.3 _htaccess? [22:19]
hrsmsyes [22:20]
chealerhrsms: could you give an example URL that's broken? [22:20]
hrsmsI'll have to give you a password, but I don't mind doing that. There is nothing sensitive on the site. I'll change it when we'
re done. It will take a minute to set up. 		[22:21]
chealerhrsms: just give the URL [22:21]
hrsmshttp://www.hrsms.org/home/item&trackerId=1&show=view [22:22]
chealerhrsms: what URL do you get for the same link if you disable SEFURL? [22:23]
hrsmsone moment... [22:24]
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hrsmsThe url is http://www.hrsms.org/home/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=27&trackerId=1&show=view, and it takes me to where I should be (iow, it works)
So why "item&" instead of "itemID=27&" ? 		[22:27]
chealerhrsms: exactly. seems like a bug
perhaps sylvieg would know... 		[22:30]
hrsmsI'm testing something now. Both sefurl and post filter were checked. I unchecked both and it worked. I re-checked only sefurl and it still works. I'll try only post and then both again. The documentation says they should be OK alone or together. I'll come back.
BTW, I did try clearing the cache earlier. No change 		[22:32]
chealerhrsms: post filter? what is that? [22:33]
hrsmshttp://doc.tiki.org/Clean+URLs
Search engine friendly url Postfilter - To generate SEFURLs for all Tiki links, also check the second checkbox which creates short URLs by filtering the output. The SEFURL Postfilter consumes more processor (CPU) time than the non-filter version (it deals with all the text and it deals also with cached text like modules while the 'on the fly' filter does not do it. In future versions the SEFURL Postfilter will not be used - it is onl
features (SEFURL and SEFURL Postfilter) may be used.
This worked before. 		[22:34]
chealerhrsms: hum, OK, I don't know [22:36]
hrsmssefurl works alone. sefurl postfilter works alone. They no longer work together. I'll turn off the sefurl postfilter. I seem to be good to go. Does anyone want to know about this? [22:37]
chealerhrsms: it would be nice to make sure it's either fixed or reported to the issue tracker [22:39]
hrsmsMind pointing me in the right direction? I've not reported issues before. [22:40]
chealerhrsms: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Report+a+Bug [22:41]
hrsmsOK. Thanks for you help!!! [22:41]
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hrsmschealer: how did you direct a response directly to me, such that my system beeped? [23:05]
Tikiwiki|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #3573 - - Search engine friendly URLS and Search engine friendly URL Postfilter not compatible - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3573 [23:05]
hrsmschealer: I was going to give you the link, but I see that the system posts it here automatically. Pretty cool. OK, thanks again. [23:06]
_GergelyGood evening/morning! Does anyone have at hand the string operation to remove the <p> and </p> from the pretty tracker template's {f_23|escape}? Annoyingly, tiki5.1 pretty tracker still adds the paragraph to the text area types. [23:10]
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