#tikiwiki 2010-10-15,Fri

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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30028 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] option for {pagination_links} to don't use ajax even if ajax_xajax is enabled tikiwiki: [FIX] disable ajax for {pagina_links} on tiki-edit_languages.php to preserve behavior added by tiki-edit_languages.js	[00:17]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03Gregmartin * r30029 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-edit_article.tpl: removes prompt warning user that data will be lost if they navigate off the page that is received when clicking save or preview	[02:40]
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coaboa	hi abd goog morning all *and	[06:43]
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coaboa	hi Jörn	[07:42]
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yonixxx	Hi, i need to customize tw 5.3 forum toolbars. I want only one row with specific elements. On the admin toolbars i can't find a way to remove unneeded quicktags... How ?	[08:18]
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coaboa	hi hace a problem when editing a page with pagebreaks (...page...) only the first page apears in the editor. *have revision 30023 url: http://poiesipedia.co.uk/tiki-index.php?page=Living+among+myselves	[08:58]
xavi	hi coaboa	[09:12]
coaboa	hi xavi	[09:12]
xavi	yonixxx: did you try draging some icon out of the toolbar, in that admin toolbar screen, for forums? JoernOtt around?	[09:12]
yonixxx	Hi Xavi, yes it the first (and logical) things i have tried.	[09:13]
xavi	JoernOtt: I see duplicated the preference "share access rights with friends?" in "Admin home > community" yonixx: look at the documentation of that feature (if any :-) ). Try to improve that documentation with whatever you know, and if you can't get it to work still, send a message to the devel list (for instance) and/or open a bug report about it JoernOtt: looking in branches/6x, tiki-admin_include_community.tpl, line 33 & 34, r29037, I see: JoernOtt: {preference name=auth_token_tellafriend} JoernOtt: {preference name=auth_token_share} weren't they made the same feature? If so, I'll remove one of them from that tpl, but I don't know which one.... maybe you are the one of the best candidated to how the best way to fix that duplication at the UI	[09:13]
coaboa	the report feature depends on tell a friend unfortunately	[09:17]
xavi	coaboa, both preferences show the same message for the end user that's why there is a usability bug (at least), or uneeded duplication at the UI	[09:17]
coaboa	oh regarding pagebreak after completely reinstalling svn version the problem is gone ;-)	[09:17]
yonixxx	Xavi: i've been there (http://doc.tiki.org/Quicktags)... the doc says a quicktags can be remove, no explanation on how and if it is on the toolbar... maybe it is not really possible to remove a quicktags from with in a toolbars ? tks for your help anyway ;)	[09:21]
xavi	afair, "quicktags" feature was renamed as "toolbars" in 4.x or so. so that page should have an alias to "Toolbars" and "Toolbar", at least. moreover, they could be removed somehow, if you drag some icon out of that bar and place it to some other bar, as far as I remember if you can't, send a quick message to devel list, before deciding whether your issue comes from a bug (and thus, some bug report - and fix, of course - is needed), or if it comes from some defective documentation (which needs to be improved and updated, anyway), I would say coaboa: easy way of fixing local problems (some coder fixed in svn ;-) )	[09:23]
coaboa	;-) computers are some mystic being...	[09:26]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30030 10/branches/6.x/templates/messu-compose.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX]Usability fix: after sending a message to multiple users, you see their tikiwiki: names separated by commas for some reason, while the right syntax to have tikiwiki: multiple usernames in the required fields is by separating them with semicolon tikiwiki: instead. Tip added with that info.	[09:34]
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luciash	polom	[09:39]
coaboa	hi luciash	[09:45]
xavi	hi luciash	[09:46]
luciash	hi guys	[09:48]
JoernOtt	xavi: They are not (yet) identical tellafriend is also used to contact admins (as anonymous)	[09:48]
xavi	hi JoernOtt ... then some difference should be reported in the strings shown to the admin, in "Admin > Community" settings	[09:49]
JoernOtt	This part has not been incorporated into the share stuff yet	[09:49]
xavi	"yet": planned to go in before 6.0 is released?	[09:49]
JoernOtt	maybe (for clarity of the whole system) the contact_admin should be a "standalone" feature	[09:49]
xavi	+1	[09:50]
JoernOtt	I doubt, that I find the time	[09:50]
xavi	ok, quick fix in the meantime would be to upate somhow one of those two strings	[09:50]
JoernOtt	besides, I would rather see a few weeks of real usage go by, before we declare the share feature stable and start removing stuff which has been there for quite a while agreed, this sounds doable :-)	[09:51]
xavi	I can do that, but I don'¡t know the new string: both say (right now): "Share access rights with friends"	[09:51]
JoernOtt	maybe I'll get around to do it (and some other minor stuff) today	[09:51]
xavi	a you wish (I have the tpl open) s/a/as and svn ready to commit	[09:52]
JoernOtt	Which should be "Share access rights when using "Share" and "Share access rights when using "Tell a friend" ...	[09:52]
xavi	ah, ok, that could have been deduced when looking at the dependences shown below I didn't look at that, since those dependencies were satisfied in both cases, I through they were also the same ok, I'll do that update the strings	[09:53]
JoernOtt	thx	[09:54]
xavi	np	[09:54]
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chibaguy	polom	[10:04]
xavi	hi chibaguy	[10:05]
coaboa	hi chibaguy	[10:05]
xavi	I was thinking of you some hours ago	[10:05]
chibaguy	hi xavi and coaboa (and everybody) good thoughts, I hope ;-)	[10:05]
xavi	when I was reviewing and updating http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki6 some time ago today, I came up with the same conclusion: all heading levels look like the same when you scroll down	[10:05]
luciash	so today is beta 2 day ?	[10:06]
xavi	if you don't agree with some sort of greyed underlines some h2 and/or h3 (I can understand), at least some different colour?	[10:06]
luciash	hi chibaguy	[10:06]
chibaguy	ah, that wasn't really resolved, was it	[10:06]
xavi	s/underlines some/underlines for	[10:06]
chibaguy	?	[10:06]
xavi	nope, no resolution yet	[10:07]
chibaguy	hi luciash	[10:07]
luciash	i agree with some color shades differences at least	[10:07]
chibaguy	Seems like I tried something locally just varying size more radically.	[10:07]
xavi	chibaguy: something else than just size, please some change in colour (at least), that can be easily distinguished when scrolling down, and that can be distinguised when printing in black and white also	[10:07]
chibaguy	seems like there are two issues. One is to make the headings distinctive. The other is the particular case of short heading lengths on wide pages, as you pointed out before, xavi, which is where 100%-wide underlines are useful.	[10:08]
xavi	I would say he he, with colored underlines, you fix the two issues with the same shot ;-)	[10:09]
chibaguy	How would lighter, larger changing to smaller, darker be?	[10:09]
xavi	s/colored underlines/mixture of colored dashed underlines, normal thin lines, etc	[10:10]
chibaguy	Well, I have a little problem with so many lines, as you know :-).	[10:11]
JoernOtt	me too underlines slow down reading but having them at h1 is ok for me not too many of those but with h2/h3 I tend to go for different sizes/fonts rather than colors which get lost on copies/ bw-printers	[10:11]
chibaguy	I was thinking to increase the heading size in general, and increase the size increments, to try initially anyway. Maybe there could be an optional "xavi documentation page style package that would be commented out but could be activated or pasted in L&F, that'd have horizontal lines. :-)	[10:12]
JoernOtt	hehe, why not make a "xavi" theme :-) should not be that hard as a sub-theme	[10:14]
xavi	:-) I know how to make those changes for my own sites :-) but I'm suggesting them for the sake of general sites...	[10:15]
chibaguy	I wonder if there is a documentation page style that maybe indents according to heading level, or something really obvious like that.	[10:15]
xavi	most themes bundled in tiki don't have that type of clear division between headings.... and JoernOtt : yes, I know about that problem when you print pages in bw-printers that's why some wise set of colors has to be chosen let me find some example.... what about this one as example?: http://themes.tiki.org/Strasa	[10:16]
chibaguy	I think there isn't one set of colors that will work across all themes.	[10:19]
xavi	and switch to strasa theme, of course :- "across all themes": of course not! they have to be theme specific, and maybe, only for some themes	[10:19]
chibaguy	white and black backgrounds are the obvious extreme cases.	[10:19]
xavi	but Fivealive should have that, imho	[10:20]
luciash	i am ok with the decent dashed underlines too	[10:20]
xavi	of whatever default theme we have for Tiki6	[10:20]
chibaguy	ah ok. I was misunderstanding.	[10:20]
luciash	but as xavi points out, it should match the theme specificness	[10:20]
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xavi	he he, ricks99-master-defender-of-end-users arrived at the right time! :-)	[10:21]
luciash	each theme should have its own kind of distinguishness for headings, there is no quick and easy solution	[10:21]
xavi	ricks, read the recent backlog please :-) http://irc.tiki.org ...	[10:21]
ricks99	first things first..... sipping coffee	[10:21]
xavi	luciash: +1 ricks99: yes, please, take your coffee dosis first :-) xavi is trying to commit those small fixes in the meantime "those": I mean the ones discussed with JoernOtt , etc. (not css ones :-)	[10:22]
ricks99	@xavi: u mean the "headings all look the same" stuff? ricks99 reading now	[10:23]
xavi	yes	[10:24]
chibaguy	Please have a look at http://zukakakina.com/Sample_page regarding heading sizes, if you don't mind. I found some old page about font sizes and gave its ideas a try.	[10:24]
ricks99	i agree that the default five alive theme has some issues with heaidngs, sizes, and colors	[10:28]
xavi	chibaguy: imho, it's not enough (After looking at that page). See the differences in that strasa theme I linked above	[10:29]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30031 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-list_kaltura_media_entries.tpl: [FIX] Kaltura media entries: change from download link to view link	[10:29]
xavi	slight differences in color, and some dashed light underline in h3, plus italics in some heading level, etc try to scroll down a long page (likje doc.t.o/Tiki6) with whatever changes you plan	[10:29]
ricks99	its several issues... vertical line spacing (imho) is off, too.the headings look to be equa-distant from the the before- and after- para really should be much closer to the after-para	[10:31]
chibaguy	OK, I think the Strasa page looks good, but I don't like the h3 horizontal line, or lines on anything but maybe h1. To me it's not nice typography. It's utilitarian, user manual style.	[10:31]
luciash	the gbase looks ok, but when you switch to fivealive, it is really not enough difference for the headings	[10:31]
ricks99	wrt printing, i always use a print.css style that turns everything to black	[10:32]
xavi	ok. oh, ricks99 : I didn't know that :-/	[10:32]
chibaguy	Also I think putting a line on a lesser heading causes confusion re the next-higher heading.	[10:32]
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xavi	oh well, not to me, when h1 has a straight full line (like in strasa), blue color. and h3, a dashed and very light blue	[10:33]
chibaguy	yes, luciash, I only tried the heading size change on gbase. Fivealive does have a problem with headings for sure.	[10:33]
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ricks99	u could try putting the line above the text helps create a visual break between sections, instead of within the section	[10:34]
chibaguy	It's too bad there's not an objective test for style issues. :)	[10:34]
xavi	when you print it in bw, you can't see that light blue color underlining h3 (which is a good result), while it allows to to easily identify visually when you cross that type of heading on screen	[10:34]
ricks99	@chibaguy: there is. its call usability testing :-)	[10:34]
luciash	chibaguy: can u try the gbase sizes on fivealive ?	[10:35]
xavi	to me, one good compromise would be to add some option to some (most?) themes to allow using that sort of differences in headings maybe not used by default, but with some simple selection (end user pref, or site wide), everybody could be happy	[10:35]
chibaguy	That would be good, I think.	[10:35]
xavi	everybody in each community using tiki, mean ricks: line above the text: good solution, btw	[10:35]
ricks99	@xavi: y, thats what i use all the time	[10:37]
chibaguy	chibaguy imagines an extreme case of each heading + following text inside a color-coded box with background color and border, probably indented like an outline.	[10:37]
ricks99	i was just going to suggest that: outdenting the headings to create a scholar's margin	[10:37]
xavi	xavi dislike side borders... box-like sections... like in former blog posts or forum posts... most nice-looking blog softwares doon't user color in side borders..., afaik right and left borders, I mean	[10:38]
ricks99	another big trend is to use a serif for headings and sans-serif for body. creates another nice visual cue for readers	[10:39]
chibaguy	yeah, my imagining was more nightmare than dream. ;-)	[10:39]
xavi	chibaguy: ah, ok :-)	[10:40]
ricks99	ricks99 not sure if he helped or not	[10:41]
chibaguy	IIRC, there's an issue with heading size depending on whether use wiki page name as page title is activated or not. This means whatever is decided for heading styles is applied differently depending on how people set that option.	[10:42]
ricks99	y. in many themes the h1.pagetitle a is different than a "regular" h1	[10:43]
luciash	lunch, bbl	[10:43]
ricks99	which imho is "a bad thing"	[10:43]
chibaguy	I think !heading gets mapped to h1 or h2 differently (and so on down the line) depending on that wiki setting. kind of murky recall, so I need to test again. This was a problem pointed out to me by some people who tought the strasa headings were illogical, and it's because they set their wiki pagetitleoption differently than how we'd been testing.	[10:44]
ricks99	ah... i thought wiki headinsg were always demoted 1 level. ! = <h2>, !! = <h3> etc	[10:46]
chibaguy	Well, I thought so at one time, too, but found it was different (except when using wysiwyg, then they stay the same). Anyway I'll check to confirm and post the results somewhere. right now, I notice at my zukakakina.com page that h1 is actually h1. Page title is turned off. Just turned on "Display page name as page title". Now the page name displays as the page title (h1 size) and what was !heading in wikitext is now h2.	[10:46]
ricks99	ah	[10:51]
chibaguy	So whatever styles are decided for h2, h3, h4 esp will change depending on that setting. Something to consider. My battery is running low (at IKEA food court), so I may disappear suddenly...	[10:52]
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ricks99	i dont think that is right. if i make a !heading i expect <h1> just my thoughts	[10:52]
chibaguy	well, it started with the theoretical consideration that pagetitle should be h1 for semantic reasons. so that got reserved. chibaguy found an electrical outlet. ;-)	[10:54]
ricks99	y. i undestand the logic behind it, just think it violates users' expectations	[10:55]
chibaguy	I suppose most users just want a visual hierarchy and don't care what the code is.	[10:55]
ricks99	true. many folks use headings fo visual cues.	[10:56]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30033 10/branches/proposals/5.x/templates/messu-compose.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX][bp/r30030]Usability fix: after sending a message to multiple users, you tikiwiki: see their names separated by commas for some reason, while the right syntax to tikiwiki: have multiple usernames in the required fields is by separating them with tikiwiki: semicolon instead. Tip added with that info.	[10:56]
chibaguy	I guess the thing is we just have to make sure whatever the heading sequence is, it makes sense in both use cases. I think if you strictly use sizes, they should work ok either way, but probably the risk of apparent illogic increments increases when coloring and lines are used. Just means these need to be tested thoroughly.	[10:57]
ricks99	brb	[11:01]
luciash	re	[11:05]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30034 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-list_kaltura_entries_actions.tpl: [FIX] Kaltura media entries actions: change from view to download icon link	[11:13]
chibaguy	luciash: I made a fivealive theme option: gbase_headings.css, to show these headings in fivealive, if you want to check http://www.zukakakina.com/Sample_page.	[11:15]
luciash	chibaguy: ok, thx	[11:16]
chibaguy	Page title is turned on, so the heading names are all off by one size, right now. well, I have to go. IKEA is closing. will be back later.	[11:17]
xavi	thanks chibaguy see you	[11:20]
luciash	diff between h2 and h3 is still not too much chibaguy: c u later	[11:20]
xavi	yes, to me, this is not enough (differences in strasa are much clearer...)	[11:22]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30035 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-list_kaltura_entries_actions.tpl: [FIX] Kaltura media entries actions i18n: added missing tr to some strings	[11:22]
xavi	since this is just about options... I might add some other option then in the following days, for strasa, if I get the free time to play with it and find some suggestion s/for strasa/for fivealive	[11:22]
coaboa	does one know how i can make the center column fixed heigth with a scrolbar (eg embed in a template within a iframe)?	[11:23]
ricks99	#col1 {height:200px} and add overflow: xxx to set the scroll bar option	[11:24]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30036 10/branches/6.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] trackers: Partial fix for category fields not working reliably since the "descendants" option was added. Fixes plugins, not tiki-view_tracker_item.php (yet)	[11:26]
jonnyb	thanks polom it's Friday!	[11:26]
ricks99	+1 that :-)	[11:27]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 - did my little fix for the multi-lang structures make sense yesterday? (and work at all?)	[11:28]
ricks99	didn't see it. i svn up last nite. now the lang drop list doesnt work at all :(	[11:28]
jonnyb	it's disabled if you're on a structure (except the css on some themes makes it not look like that) thought it was slightly better than hiding it	[11:29]
ricks99	o.. so thats intentional. thats not a fix tho. how can i change lang?	[11:29]
jonnyb	fixing it would mean coming out of freeze for 6.x and postponing 6.0 by a few weeks you have to use the switch lang module (or user prefs)	[11:30]
ricks99	:(	[11:30]
jonnyb	most people only use one lang at a time	[11:30]
ricks99	not true.... consider this use case: I have a structure w/ 3 pages.... all pages are EN.... page 1 and 3 have FR translations... a user with FR will see.... page1 = FR.... page2 = EN... page3 = EN... (because youre now hardcoding the lang, right?, how will they switch back to FR?	[11:31]
jonnyb	it'll switch back automatically unless they change their preferred lang (try it mabye?)	[11:32]
ricks99	but, as of page 2, theyre in the EN version of the structure ricks99 will try to confirm...	[11:33]
jonnyb	but they haven't changed their lang pref, have they?	[11:33]
ricks99	correct maybe not an issue....	[11:33]
jonnyb	seemed to work ok for me now on demo.t.o	[11:34]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30037 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-list_kaltura_entries_actions.tpl: xhtml: added missing alt for img tags	[11:34]
ricks99	i wonder... instead of disabilg the page-lang drop list, could u simply substitute the switch lang code there instead, and filter only the avialable langs?	[11:34]
jonnyb	http://demo.tiki.org/6x/Wiki+engine (but i'm not sure about which pages are in which langs there)	[11:34]
ricks99	or is that too much work for the 6.0 release	[11:34]
jonnyb	unless anyone else wants to fix some bugs in 6.x - yup, too much work (tracker categ fields still broken, for instance!)	[11:35]
ricks99	just tested my suspicions and confirmed on smarties :(	[11:36]
jonnyb	i know how to fix it, but you need to fix no_bl (use a session, not a url param) and sort out the sefurl mess	[11:36]
ricks99	even though the URL is for a FR page, i'm seeing the EN page	[11:36]
jonnyb	on the 3rd page?	[11:37]
ricks99	y wait a sec....	[11:37]
	might b ok. def a rel note item ricks99 will prevent me from upgrading smarties :( ricks99 hopes jonnyb promises to fix it for 6.1 :-)	[11:42]
jonnyb	sorry ricks99 - you lost me? "def a rel note item"?	[11:44]
ricks99	definately need to add a release note item as known issue	[11:45]
jonnyb	oh right, sry so it doesn't work for you? using the switch lang module?	[11:45]
ricks99	it does. 1 thing tho... in addition to disabling the lang drop list, are you going to disable the show page link from the translation module, too? it exibits the xact same issue.	[11:46]
jonnyb	hmm... missed that one as i said, trackers are practically unusable now, so take priority i think :(	[11:46]
ricks99	i understand.	[11:47]
	@jonnyb: pls see if i have captured the issue correctly: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes6.0&no_bl=y#Known_Issues	[11:53]
jonnyb	yup - thanks ricks99	[11:54]
ricks99	tx	[11:54]
jonnyb	maybe this needs to be escalated to being a blocker?	[11:54]
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ricks99	since there's a workaround, I'd say not a "blocker" but imho an A-1 priority	[11:54]
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xavi	hi jonnyb, how is your jet lag going?	[12:23]
jonnyb	hi xavi - have tracker-lag now! :)	[12:23]
xavi	xavi is just amazed that "nested trackerlist" exists! tracker-lag :-)	[12:23]
jonnyb	(up till 3 a.m. trying to fix the category dropdowns - failed, still doing it)	[12:24]
xavi	may I add jquery-explanation-lag also? :-) ok, ok, brave man! thanks for fixing those nasty issues!	[12:24]
jonnyb	is it an emergency? (it'll have to join the queue anyway!)	[12:24]
xavi	well, jquery-explanations... I'd need them next week, since I have to make a poster after I fix a few issues (with that jquery magic)... before going to a conference in two weeks (where the poster is to be shown)	[12:25]
jonnyb	ok, so there's some time	[12:25]
xavi	:-)	[12:26]
jonnyb	is c2c.op.o ok now? (thought that would be higher priority)	[12:26]
xavi	and cclite-tiki6 magic should be (as far as I'm concerned) after that, if I was asked about that :-)	[12:26]
jonnyb	:)	[12:26]
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xavi	nope, c2c.op.o/tiki is suffering (at least) from that issue with mixed currency confusions, probably and whatever else that prevent cclite 0.8 and tiki6 communicating successfully (error reporting enhanced, etc.)	[12:27]
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xavi	thanks for not forgetting, jonnyb :-)	[12:28]
jonnyb	np xavi	[12:28]
xavi	jonnyb, tell me if you set up some bounty-like system for your time :-)	[12:28]
jonnyb	i need to	[12:28]
xavi	you know that I want to contribute to your coding time and skills fixing things in tiki (as well as to sylvieg's, at least, of course) one of the systems in the email I sent you, jonnyb , seemed very neat ok, back to work	[12:29]
jonnyb	yes, i really need to set something up, i looked at those links you sent me, then went back to fixing bugs! :)	[12:30]
xavi	:-)	[12:30]
jonnyb	but it's really something we should do together "as tiki" - i don't want to seem like some sort of mercenary...	[12:31]
xavi	mmm, not sure about that... I think the discussion as a whole community can be much easier if we see some working example for some coder doing it for his own business... my opinion, of course it's a very very delicate topic (that about money) as mose warned us long ago, very wisely...	[12:33]
jonnyb	true - that's why i'm putting it off!	[12:34]
xavi	:-)	[12:34]
ricks99	ricks99 likes money :-)	[12:34]
xavi	:-D xavi likes getting a payed job	[12:34]
mose	mose hates money for its current widespread design	[12:35]
xavi	:-) xavi likes mose's comments and wisdom ;-) nice to see you around, mose !	[12:36]
mose	I'm never far away even if as a ghost, kindof	[12:37]
ricks99	yeah mose! :-)	[12:37]
xavi	:-)	[12:37]
mose	what's up for you xavi ?	[12:39]
xavi	oh well, that discussions about opening the "bounty-way", as a complement of the current system, or not opening the "bounty-way" (Tiki community wide, I mean) some coders can do that or other means to get payed jobs, but the discussion about promoting or allowing it in a whole tiki wide basis is not clear it's a very delicate topic	[12:41]
mose	it's almost a religious one	[12:42]
xavi	but since some developers try to work full time developing for the Tiki community, and they need money for their professional job, expenses, etc.	[12:42]
jonnyb	tee hee - hi mose	[12:43]
mose	hi jonnyb :)	[12:43]
jonnyb	yes, some of us stupidly work fulltime but without an income - it only works for a fixed time (until your savings run out)	[12:43]
mose	well, workign fulltime for tiki splits it in half, imho	[12:43]
xavi	and not always getting big projects to pay fair salaries for developers, then some bounty-like system could help that other members of the community share some money to indicate how important is for them that that feature is implemented, nasty bug fixed, etc.	[12:43]
mose	I did that for 2 years	[12:44]
ricks99	it depends on what 's your objective	[12:44]
mose	sucked up unemployment insurance	[12:44]
jonnyb	yes, i'm about 18 months in, and looking for plan b	[12:44]
xavi	that's why it's seems reasonable to find/suggest/promote some sort of solution	[12:44]
ricks99	some of us particpate for non-moneytary reasons at all	[12:44]
mose	if some get paid, the ones that don't will lose motivation as a natural consequence	[12:45]
xavi	yes, I know, that's one of the biggest concerns	[12:45]
mose	that's what splits it in half	[12:45]
ricks99	isnt that natural selection, tho? the cream rises to the top	[12:45]
mose	yeah but the critical mass of ecosystem can be reduced to unsustainable quantity	[12:46]
xavi	that's why I suggested jonnyb to start something but besides tiki community as a whole, just as a single developers suggesting other ways to convince him to develop or fix something "scratch somebody else's itches" is not that common, so it should be rewarded somehow, imho	[12:46]
mose	the best way to get income from developing for tiki (or any free sftware) is the parasite system	[12:47]
jonnyb	it's a tricky thing... parasite system?	[12:47]
mose	find patron taht pays for a task, include tiki work in the tasklist	[12:47]
xavi	:-) well, I'm using that system right now I convinced them (in my work in the mornings) that I would develop what they were looking for in Tiki and PluginR	[12:47]
mose	optimaly, be clear about it with patron	[12:48]
jonnyb	yes, been doing that some, but it's only covering about a third of the time i'm spending - as you say, it splits you in half	[12:48]
xavi	at university	[12:48]
jonnyb	it was good when i have a university covering things, but they ran out of funds too :(	[12:49]
xavi	yes, mose, that's key issue for sustainability :-)	[12:49]
mose	sure tiki community could help find patrons without the money problem is raised, I guess but I don't really know how things now are organized	[12:50]
coaboa	how would i exclude ...page... syntax from being displayed when using "print"?	[12:52]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30038 10/branches/6.x/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX] trackers: 2nd part of fix for category fields not working reliably since the "descendants" option was added. Fixes tiki-view_tracker_item.php (anywhere else needed?)	[12:53]
xavi	mmm, mose, aren't you in the admin list/group, as "elders" or whatever name? jonnyb, just a guess, maybe the modules which use catagory? (category switch or whatever name they have) ?	[12:53]
mose	I am	[12:54]
xavi	mose: so you know about the Tiki Software Community Association, etc.	[12:54]
mose	but I don't follow the sites much	[12:54]
xavi	not the sites, just the info in the emails xavi running out of time for today	[12:54]
mose	that part I know more or less	[12:55]
xavi	ok thanks for keeping an eye/ear on that list/topics ok, nice conversation, but I have to leave. see you all, and take care mose (and all, of course :-)) !	[12:55]
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JoernOtt	I don't think it is bad to get paid for coding some stuff for tiki. If someone needs a certain function and is willing to invest some money into getting it realized quickly (because it saves him money) and he pays someone for it (his own employees might not be as fit in the tiki code, so he chooses a tiki coder) and as a result, there is a shiny new feature in tiki (available for all of us) or an improvement of a current feature, everybody has a benefit from that.	[13:26]
jonnyb	hi JoernOtt - it's the way the world works!	[13:26]
JoernOtt	Exactly and as a "mercenary", I have at least the choice of which jobs I take :-)	[13:26]
jonnyb	the bounty thing i was discussing with xavi was specifically for revamping trackers (which would actually be like "war"! :) )	[13:28]
JoernOtt	It is a very complex package and it could need a full time (paid) expert. The question is, where to find the sponsor?	[13:29]
jonnyb	well i don't think there will be a single one, but i was thinking if i can get enough small contributors it would be worth doing (i reckon 100-200 hours)	[13:32]
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leagris	hello, are ther precise documentation on CSV format for calendar importation, especially dates, encoding, markup ?	[13:35]
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ricks99	iirc, date format is unix timestamp style	[13:36]
leagris	iCal import feature really missing through, will need to work with CSV thanks ricks99	[13:36]
ricks99	ur welcome no ical import (yet). there is ical xport	[13:37]
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chibaguy	re	[13:52]
jonnyb	polom chibaguy	[13:53]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb	[13:53]
coaboa	chibaguy: do you know how I can make the center columne fixed height with a scrolbar?A .tpl embeding the mid content within an {IFRAME}?	[13:55]
chibaguy	coaboa, you could use CSS, if you don't want to change what content is displayed. Just give the div that contains the center column content an overflow:scroll property, and specify height and width.	[13:59]
coaboa	cool thx...	[13:59]
chibaguy	this is how the "keywords" module at dev.tiki.org has a scrolling content.	[14:00]
coaboa	wondered how it was done... so now I know, for 15 minutes as I'am aged over 40 ;-)	[14:01]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30041 10/branches/6.x/lang/pt-br/language.php: pt-br translations done on i18n.tiki.org	[14:01]
chibaguy	heh, get a notebook to write things down, I guess.	[14:02]
ricks99	@coaboa: u make it sound like 40 is old. :(	[14:04]
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coaboa	its just me making fun of my obliviousness.	[14:08]
chibaguy	chibaguy has a notebook that is used constantly ;-)	[14:08]
robertplummer	Hey guys, I'm having problems with permissions in 6, I basically get nothing listed when I go to tiki-objectpermissions.php?objectType=group&objectId=Registered&objectName=Registered&permType=group I haven't edited any permissions that I know of I get "{treetable}: No rows found "	[14:08]
ricks99	need to select a feature first	[14:09]
robertplummer	rick99, you talking to me? That was it. Thanks!	[14:10]
ricks99	y. go to the select features and specific for which features u want to assign perm ricks99 agrees that the error msg is not very friendly maybe something to add to jonnyb's list....	[14:10]
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robertplummer	Users can edit wiki pages, how do I disable that?	[14:13]
ricks99	Need to assign (or remove) the permission. See docs for details: http://doc.tiki.org/permissions	[14:15]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30042 10/mods/trunk/themes/judy_tiki_5/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Two missing background images added; one unused image removed.	[14:35]
robertplummer	ricks99: I have removed the permission for registered users to edit wiki pages and sheets, and it isn't effecting anything. ricks99: what do you think I should do?	[14:36]
ricks99\|away	did u change the group perm, category perm, or page perm?	[14:37]
robertplummer	ricks99: no	[14:38]
ricks99\|away	i mean, which perm did u change? remember, perms inherit downard, but override upwards	[14:38]
robertplummer	ricks99, I selected the from the admin list Permissions, Then "Select Groups" and I have "Registered" selected Then "Select Features", and I uncheck everything.	[14:40]
JoernOtt	RobertPlummer: also select Anonymous please	[14:41]
robertplummer	ok, done	[14:41]
JoernOtt	because if Anonymous has the perm, Registered inherits it	[14:41]
ricks99\|away	for "select" feature, you need to select wiki + JoernOtt said @robertplummer: u might find this primer useful: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/How+Permissions+Work	[14:41]
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jonnyb	hi robertplummer (catching up) tiki-objectpermissions.php?objectType=group&objectId=Registered&objectName=Registered&permType=group works fine for me here, anyone else getting this no rows thing?	[14:44]
robertplummer	Ok, I think the issue was that I didn't have anon selected.	[14:44]
ricks99\|away	@jonnyb: i duplicated on tiki6 alpha. unselect all features. clear cache then go to the perm page	[14:44]
jonnyb	seems ok even with no groups selected...	[14:45]
ricks99\|away	not group. features	[14:45]
jonnyb	checking ok, i see it	[14:45]
robertplummer	in tiki, you can't be afraid to click things.	[14:45]
ricks99\|away	just need a default for the {tree\|default:"please select a feature" or so	[14:46]
jonnyb	true - not a coding thing then (i'll leave it to others) :D	[14:46]
ricks99\|away	sheesh. i can't get you to fix i18n strugtures, and now u wont fix this???? <jk> ;-)	[14:47]
jonnyb	just lazy, me!	[14:47]
ricks99\|away	ricks99\|away off to refill coffee mug	[14:48]
chibaguy	Time to sleep here. g'night everybody :-)	[14:50]
chealer	good night chibaguy and polom :-)	[14:50]
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luci	hi chealer: r u going to rollback the rollback of doctype ? hi jonnyb it's not clear to me from the mailing list what was the conclusion out of the discussion	[16:08]
jonnyb	hi luci	[16:10]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30046 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] tracker plugin: Correct logic for auto-assign user fields (should fix lack of "submitted by" info experienced on dev.t.o wishlist)	[16:10]
jonnyb	i thought we were going for rolling back to strict but have been buried in tracker... jonnyb tries to think of a polite word tracker stuff! :)	[16:10]
luci	chealer: the only problem remains if we are in Transitional, that we cannot test Strict easily in validator unless you force developers to use their own copy of tiki.tpl	[16:11]
jonnyb	i found a way with this total validator thing - you can set the doctype to validate against it's a bit nasty but the free version seems usable (for localhost files too) http://www.totalvalidator.com/	[16:11]
luci	jonnyb: i would welcome that conclusion, but it seems it got vanished in the air	[16:12]
jonnyb	has a firefox plugin too	[16:12]
luci	heheh, tracker's pain	[16:12]
jonnyb	i know - sadly more critical things have emerged i really really really want to refactor them! (i think... am i mad?)	[16:13]
luci	ah, i use ctrl+shift+a in firefox with web developer plugin usually to validate local files	[16:13]
jonnyb	you can probably tell it not to auto-detect the doctype brb b	[16:13]
luci	maybe, but i would prefer the strict mode	[16:19]
jonnyb	but we don't want to upset chealer again... you about chealer?	[16:22]
chealer	hi luci and jonnyb. I have no intention to change the DOCTYPE now. I understand what you're saying, but I think having interested developers test with a different DOCTYPE is exactly the way to go.	[16:24]
luci	but the uninterested will then put more and more stuff which is ok with transitional but they will not be aware they cause nightmare for those trying to go strict... there should be only one chosen path imho we can change doctype to strict before final 6.0 release but then it will be too late for LTS	[16:25]
jonnyb	i think we have more pressing problems with 6.0 if we're to release it next week (!) - strict will have to wait, i think (sorry luci - there's still too much to do)	[16:27]
luci	next stop is HTML5 (for Tiki 7) it means we will never support Strict, ok	[16:27]
chealer	luci: I agree. we could have a policy that new stuff has to be strict, but that's going to be hard/impossible to enforce.	[16:28]
jonnyb	you think it would be wrong to do it for 6.1? (soon)	[16:28]
chealer	(even after changing the DOCTYPE...)	[16:28]
luci	jonnyb: yep jonnyb: i am not sure we can afford change doctype in minor versions	[16:28]
chealer	jonnyb: if it has to be done for 6, I'm entirely for doing it as soon as possible though	[16:29]
jonnyb	but we can't release it knowingly invalid, imho	[16:29]
chealer	luci: I don't think that's what it means. if there's enough manpower, it can be done at one point, but it's definitely not magical	[16:29]
jonnyb	apart from wrapping all the form stuff in divs (i've done a few - not seen any others) there are also problems with things not having labels all over the place	[16:30]
chealer	plus deprecated attributes, plus...	[16:30]
luci	i don't know why... for me it is simmilar to not 100% translated language... but the effort must be started towards going xhtml strict, and then it can be finished (or more closely to 100%) for 6.1 for example	[16:30]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r30047 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-objectpermissions.tpl: [ENH]Better message to user when tree is empty.	[16:31]
jonnyb	chealer: there are a load of errors produced that are accessibility recommendations, you can turn them off (i have)	[16:31]
chealer	jonnyb: hum, like what?	[16:33]
jonnyb	like duplicate accesskey attributes (it's not that i don't care, it's just a layer of work that could be done later)	[16:33]
chealer	jonnyb: oh, I didn't see this kind of error yet	[16:36]
jonnyb	oops :) yes, it gets worse ;)	[16:36]
chealer	luci: I don't really see the parallel. anyone can work on completing a translation as anyone can work on getting Tiki more strict. again, I'm entirely for HTML changes towards strict compliance (until 6 is stable, anyway)	[16:39]
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gorillass	Hi, is there anyone in who may be able to help with a searching file galleries?	[17:15]
ricks99	depends. what's the issue	[17:15]
gorillass	It doesn't work...	[17:16]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30049 10/branches/6.x/styles/layout/layout.css: [CSS] trackerfilter-result: better max height - 120 lines instead of 50 which was way too short	[17:16]
ricks99	r u trying to search within the content of an uplaoded file (such as doc or pdf)?	[17:16]
gorillass	yes. File galleries are stored in directory (currently with full access). Have set mime types to use strings, set search indexing (options in the FG admin section). Tried MySQL Full-Text Search and Tiki-indexed Search. All without success.	[17:17]
ricks99	do you have the acutal php libraries and handlers loaded?	[17:18]
gorillass	which libraries and handlers are needed?	[17:18]
ricks99	depends on what kind of files you're trying to search did u review the requirements in the docs?	[17:19]
gorillass	MS Office, OpenOffice and PDF for the most part	[17:19]
ricks99	for pdf, you'll need the pstotext library, full list is in the docs. pls see http://doc.tiki.org/File+Gallery+Config	[17:20]
gorillass	thanks, I've seen that	[17:22]
ricks99	so you're saying that you have the correct libraries and handlers installed on ur sever but it isn't working?	[17:23]
gorillass	For example I'm using strings at the CLI and it works correctly but from the GUI, nothing is found this is on a Word Doc MIME Type = application/msword System Command = /usr/bin/strings %1	[17:23]
ricks99	not sure u need usr/bin... belive that is already identified in ur php.ini setup as the base	[17:25]
gorillass	I initially just had strings, but added the full path in case it wasn't being picked up	[17:26]
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ricks99	not sure. afaik it should work if u have strings on ur system what is ur tiki version?	[17:27]
gorillass	5.1	[17:28]
ricks99	maybe an old bug then (5.3 is current, highly recommended upgrade) i assume that uve already used the "Refresh files search index now" button, right?	[17:28]
gorillass	yep I haven't found any bug reports for this type of fault, but I'm guessing you've got no issues with it?	[17:30]
ricks99	and u dont have any perms or category perms on the file or file gallery, right i don't have any uploaded DOC or PDF flies on any of my systesm	[17:30]
gorillass	I'm trying to search as admin and I chmod'd the dir/fies just to make sure.	[17:31]
ricks99	i would try 5.3 (it also has ijmjportant security updates). and might want to post to support forum too	[17:31]
gorillass	thanks for the help. I'll try the forums and maybe here again tomorrow.	[17:32]
ricks99	k	[17:32]
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SEWilco2	Suggestion: In list of Demo sites, add versions and last-checked dates. http://info.tiki.org/Get+Tiki#Tiki_Demo:_Try_Before_You_Install	[18:46]
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sharepointVsOpen	Hello - I am exploring open sourced wiki software to start an enterprise wiki. how would you compare sharepoint wiki with tiki?	[18:56]
SEWilco2	sharepointVsOpen: Try http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=compare+sharepoint+wiki+with+tikiwiki	[18:57]
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SEWilco2	Suggestion: Make Community's "Nice sites" list be a Directory which people can contribute links to. http://tiki.org/Nice+Sites	[19:04]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30051 10/trunk/ (20 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30020 to 30050	[19:06]
SEWilco2	(I'm not seeing a dogfood of Directory)	[19:07]
	Oh.. there it is. Tiki Sites doesn't seem to be easily findable from the Anonymous menus. http://tiki.org/tiki-directory_browse.php?parent=2 Hmm. No voting/comments in Directory. I didn't remember seeing any, so I'm not surprised.	[19:13]
sharepointVsOpen	The reason for this hunting is: I recently joined a staunch Microsoft shop; I suggest tiki and the IT dept says sharepoint...	[19:18]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3583 - - Apostrophe (') in page name results in wysiwyg editor not loading - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3583 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3584 - - Wanted page links not changing after page is created when wysiwyg is in use - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3584	[19:21]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3585 - - Entering a wiki link with ampersand (&) in link txt in wysiwyg results in encoded & - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3585	[19:31]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3586 - - Wiki links when using wysiwyg don't survive rename - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3586	[19:41]
SEWilco2	Looks like it's been a while since someone did Validate on the Tiki Sites Directory.	[19:46]
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fabricius	Polom! I have to prepare a project group for tomorrow and need a little bit of a help - only some few questions 1st straight away: I did set up a usergroup and gave some edit permissions in the workspace-appropriate category when the workspace-group assigned user try to save a wikipage he gets the error message "category obligatory" (I translated from the german message) but he cannot assign to the category how can I allow the user to categorize this specific category? and only this one somewhere at the groups settings, or at the category permissions?	[20:07]
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SEWilco2	fabricius: I wonder if maybe they can't see the category. Maybe they don't have read access to the cat or to a parent category.	[20:32]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3587 - - Creating user needs confirm, and if password not match back does not work - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3587	[20:32]
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fabricius	SEWilco2: they can "move" to the page categorized page alright and "click" on the edit button - only they cannot see the "categories" tab and cannot save the page	[20:33]
SEWilco2	fabricius: If this is a Wiki page, isn't there an option in the Admin>Wiki page to allow Wiki pages to be Categorized?	[20:34]
fabricius	SEWilco2: yes, it is allowed as an admin I can categorize them as a groupmember not	[20:39]
SEWilco2	fabricius: I don't remember if there is a Group permission which controls Category usage. Sounds as if the person doesn't have a permission.	[20:40]
chealer	nkoth: did you write #3587 ?	[20:40]
nkoth	chealer: yes	[20:41]
SEWilco2	fabricius: I also think that a Category can have special permissions attached, but then it's easy to lose the default behavior.	[20:41]
fabricius	I need the groupmembers A edit wikipages in categoryA / workspaceA	[20:41]
chealer	nkoth: I understand the problem with Go back, but are you asking why creating a user needs a confirmation?	[20:42]
SEWilco2	fabricius: Check the permissions for Group A.	[20:42]
nkoth	chealer: yes both	[20:42]
fabricius	SEWilco2: yes	[20:43]
chealer	nkoth: confirmations are mostly to prevent CSRF. they can be disabled but it's not secure	[20:43]
nkoth	ok i understand	[20:44]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30054 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: indentation	[20:48]
sylvieg	chealer: but the problem about admin users could have been solved by understanding why a user is logged in in such a situation	[20:51]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30055 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: ops, changed some spaces inside strings to tab with previous commit	[20:53]
chealer	sylvieg: sorry, I don't understand what you mean	[20:54]
sylvieg	my example with B+C? sorry..	[20:59]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30056 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: adding back a few tests that were commented (just had to replace n with <br />, makes sense?)	[21:01]
nkoth	anyone knows how to set up "group moderators" or "group leaders"? I'm also confused about perms such as "tiki_p_group_add_member"	[21:02]
SEWilco2	nkoth: I don't know, but you might mention which type of object you want moderated.	[21:04]
nkoth	I'm trying to set up a group and specify some leaders that can add users/remove users from it	[21:05]
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nkoth	I suppose I should try the group transition demo and see what it does... (it's a profile) the transition UI tiki-admin_transitions.php is not wrorking for me	[21:07]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30057 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-calendar_import.tpl: [FIX]calendar: more precise message for the calendar import format	[21:10]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 sets up Module Cannon and aims at Transitions. Can't decide between Incendiary and Chaos shells.	[21:11]
nkoth	SEWilco2: lol	[21:16]
chealer	nkoth: it seems to work here	[21:17]
nkoth	chealer: I select a gropup, click on select, and then nothing happens	[21:18]
chealer	nkoth: if I do that I get 2 new tabs, in trunk	[21:19]
nkoth	sane here in trunk only for categories do I get 2 new tabs for groups nothing happens	[21:20]
chealer	nkoth: so you see the group with a red X?	[21:20]
nkoth	no, I see an autocomplete group selector	[21:21]
chealer	nkoth: it seems you need to type a group there	[21:21]
nkoth	yes, I type a group there. ad then click Select, the page refresh without new tabs appearing	[21:22]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3588 - - Entering email address into wysiwyg caused messed up text due to unsuccessful obscuring - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3588	[21:22]
chealer	nkoth: I see, it seems you need to hit enter when you entered a group nkoth: I must concede the interface is obscure	[21:23]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30058 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: add test for collapsible heading	[21:24]
nkoth	chealer: lol yes I need to hit enter (aghast0	[21:24]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30059 10/branches/6.x/ (7 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Dropped date sorting in sheet history, it got very confusing, VERY fast tikiwiki: [MOD] Migrated many of the js for tiki-view_sheets.js into functions called form the page tikiwiki: [ADD] Added revision dates at the top of sheet history so you know what you are looking at tikiwiki: [MOD] Changed the name of tiki-view-sheets.tpl to tiki-view_sheets.tpl, it was making me very angry! tikiwiki: [FIX] The back button issue for viewing sheet history tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r30060 10/branches/6.x/templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_memberlist.tpl: Improve wording to make UI clearer	[22:02]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30061 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: create new failing test to demonstrate a regression bug from 5.x to 6.x related with headings in wiki pages (see comments on top of the test for more info)	[22:11]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3589 - - maketoc does not work with wysiwyg - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3589	[22:14]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30062 10/trunk/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: tikiwiki: Wiki page name bad characters: remove current nominations - comma, colon, parentheses, apostrophe, exclamation mark tikiwiki: Ref: http://dev.tiki.org/Bad+characters	[22:24]
nkoth	chealer: have you tried #3583? It's related to these bad characters in wysiwyg context I haven't tried with your latest commit yet...	[22:26]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 knew a bad character once. Arr. Now only hang out in high-class places. Why would we want to allow characters which are "typically unsafe to decode"? chealer: Rhetorical question, which probably should be explained in the Wiki page so all will know the reasoning.	[22:28]
nkoth	SEWilco2: basically that users expect it to work....	[22:31]
SEWilco2	Yeah, I've had many a user in the past stumble over "&" in a page name.	[22:32]
chealer	SEWilco2: I'm really not sure what the RFC means by that	[22:33]
SEWilco2	chealer: In that case, I don't understand if "typically unsafe to decode" is a good thing or bad thing. Should we avoid it, or avoid encoding/decoding it? Wiki page should explain the issue so we can consider meaning of nomination and proper action.	[22:35]
chealer	nkoth: interesting...	[22:36]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30063 10/branches/6.x/ (lib/sheet/tiki-history_sheets.js tiki-history_sheets.php): [ADD] The event handlers for checking the values of each of the revision selectors in sheet history	[22:38]
chealer	SEWilco2: the RFC is not really for Tiki, which doesn't really parse URLs. I put "typically unsafe to decode" because that's the only reason given to make these characters reserved it's not a very good reason	[22:38]
nkoth	chealer: yeah it still dosn't load - probably some ajax js not encoding/decoding	[22:39]
chealer	nkoth: it seems I don't have this problem in my 6.x	[22:40]
nkoth	chealer: reallu I have it on both 6.x and trunk	[22:42]
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nkoth	chealer: is ajax on ? turning it off it loads, but I get that "Some of your preferences should be set differently for this to work at it's best." message on top of the editor	[22:44]
chealer	nkoth: it wasn't. I get it now JavaScript errors	[22:46]
	$headerlib->add_js("var autoSaveId = '$auto_save_referrer';");	[22:52]
	nkoth: changing lib/ajax/autosave.php:83 to $referer .= 'wiki_page:' . addcslashes($_REQUEST['page'], "'"); fixes the first error for me, but that function is called from too many places I don't know for me to commit. Jonny would need to check it bbl	[23:01]
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