[00:25] *** redflo has left [01:20] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:22] *** ttrimm has quit IRC (Quit: Later Folks!) [01:53] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:17] *** daniam_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [03:50] *** goj has joined #tikiwiki [04:11] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Get more help: Tiki for Smarties http://twbasics.keycontent.org and Tiki Essentials http://twessentials.keycontent.org) [06:29] *** chealer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:33] tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30077 10/branches/6.x/ (styles/strasa.css templates/tiki-show_page.tpl): [FIX] Add a CSS class to div.wikitext when "Display page name as page title" is turned off, to be able to style headings consistently. (Headings in wikitext change by one size when that option is turned on|off.) [06:49] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [06:49] *** chealer has quit IRC (Changing host) [06:49] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [08:50] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [09:11] New Forum Posts: Slim down the installation? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39047 [09:27] *** redflo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:34] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [10:23] New Forum Posts: No puedo "logearme" ¿alguna ayuda? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=15&comments_parentId=39048 [10:39] *** coaboa_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:39] *** coaboa has joined #tikiwiki [11:19] *** FrankP has joined #tikiwiki [12:05] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3590 - - TW5.1: database translation does not work for tiki-register.tpl - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3590 [12:06] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [13:51] *** FrankP has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:17] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30078 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-admin_include_features.tpl: [ENH] Beefing up programmers's admin panel with more relevant preferences. TODO: make a dedicated panel for programmers. [14:20] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30079 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: documenting what people should do, not just what they shouldn't do [14:26] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [14:28] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30080 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: lesser magic descriptions [14:30] hi [14:31] sylvieg: is it possible to show article types / article topics instead of the article main page [14:42] *** FrankP has joined #tikiwiki [14:49] sylvieg: like: tiki-read_article.php?type=xyc [15:29] *** jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki [15:32] *** Sp4rKy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:32] *** Sp4rKy has joined #tikiwiki [15:34] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30081 10/branches/6.x/styles/layout/layout.css: [CSS] Make disabled elements, especially select menus, look different as most themes override the browser default. [15:37] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30082 10/branches/6.x/templates/mail/user_validation_mail.tpl: validation mail - trim some whitespace [15:49] sylvieg: solved: tiki-view_articles.php?topic=n [15:52] *** FrankP has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:20] *** redflo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [16:22] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30083 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: Minor change to pref warning for feature_wiki_save_draft [16:24] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [16:40] *** FrankP has joined #tikiwiki [16:47] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [16:56] *** chealer has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:01] jonnyb: hi, beta2 ? [17:01] hi changi [17:01] just looking at the blockers... [17:19] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [17:19] *** chealer has quit IRC (Changing host) [17:19] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [17:29] *** nelek has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:34] *** nelek has joined #tikiwiki [17:38] you still around changi ? [17:38] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30084 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] plugin alias: Fix missing data in plugin alias body parsing (should fix wishes on dev.t.o) [17:58] *** jjkob has joined #tikiwiki [17:58] Hello, is anyone awake in here? [18:01] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [18:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [18:02] polom [18:02] hello? [18:05] hello [18:06] Do you have a lot of experience with Tiki Wiki development? [18:06] jonnyb: not so far :) [18:06] does dev.t.o svn up every hour? [18:08] jjkob: since 2002 [18:09] well, watching in 2002, and I think my first commit was in 2003 [18:09] Great; do you mind answering some questions from a noob? [18:11] I am seeking to create a public wiki, and had been planning on using Mediawiki, however due to some technical issues I am now considering Tiki Wiki. [18:12] My main concern with Tiki Wiki is that I cannot find any large-scale websites employing this platform, while Mediawiki has proven fast and stable on such projects. [18:13] how big will your project be? [18:13] Do you know of any websites employing Tiki Wiki for thousands of pages of wiki content? [18:13] yes, tiki.org [18:13] doc.tiki.org as well [18:13] It will never be as big as Wikipedia [18:14] but it will hopefully have thousands to tens of thousands of pages of wiki content eventually [18:14] nothing will be as big as Wikipedia (in 5 years, I may get teased for having said that) [18:14] (e.g., maybe comparable to wikitravel.org) [18:15] I've found it difficult to find a detailed comparison between the two platforms for this application. [18:15] (i.e., a lot of people focus on smaller-scale projects, like internal wikis) [18:15] I once had 350 000 or 400 000 wiki pages (only page name, no content) [18:16] The Tiki Wiki site states that Mediawiki is designed for optimal performance... [18:16] but it does not really elaborate on how Tiki Wiki compares in that area [18:16] MediaWiki is designed for Wikipedia [18:16] Tiki is designed as a general purpose application for very diverse needs [18:17] What would be the issues in recreating Wikipedia with Tiki Wiki? [18:17] How many visitors per week? [18:17] Hopefully many [18:17] My site will be comparable to WebMD, but in a different field [18:18] I am not worried about tens of thousands of pages [18:18] The editing will be restricted to a certain class of contributors, so the traffic will be siginificantly less than Wikipedia. [18:18] We have like 19 000 users on tiki.org It's more a MySQL thing at that level. [18:19] so traffic is the big question [18:19] So could Tiki Wiki handle Wikipedia in its current incarnation? [18:19] absolutely not [18:19] What is the bottleneck? [18:19] well, perhaps a small language [18:20] Wikipedia is in the top-10 sites in the World [18:20] It takes like 200+ servers (or something crazy like that) to run [18:20] A lot of the work they do is to tailor to that specific use case [18:21] I see. [18:21] Well WebMD has about 20 million visitors per month [18:21] ok [18:21] Could a Tiki Wiki based platform handle that scale? [18:22] yes, but not on one server [18:22] (99.9% would be read-only visitors) [18:22] How many servers is tikiwiki.org running on? [18:23] various *.tiki.org sites are on 3-4 servers [18:23] Is scaling up with respect to number of servers a problem/ [18:23] That is the right question [18:23] how many servers does WebMD need? [18:23] And then, ask how many servers Tiki would need for a similar load [18:24] http://support.mozilla.com/ is powered by Tiki [18:24] Right, I've visited the mozilla site. [18:24] but I find that the content is very basic [18:24] Is that not a factor when looking at traffic? [18:25] if most of the visitors are just reading, data can be cached [18:25] and then, it can scale well with more servers [18:25] You will need: http://doc.tiki.org/MySQL+replication [18:26] and http://doc.tiki.org/Memcached [18:26] I see. I look forward to the day when this is a problem for my site, but I don't want to make a decision now that will be ultimately limiting [18:27] and: http://doc.tiki.org/Content+delivery+network [18:27] I've just seen that Mediawiki is being used for most large-scale wiki sites (e.g., wikitravel, answers.com, wikia) [18:27] jjkob: brb [18:27] okay [18:42] (on phone) [18:43] No worries, I need to sack out [18:43] Hopefully I can catch you another time. [18:43] Thanks for the info! [18:43] jjkob : see pm [18:45] *** jjkob has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [18:57] New Forum Posts: Trouble connecting DB after upgrade - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39050 [19:01] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30085 10/branches/6.x/tiki-admin_include_textarea.php: [FIX] plugin alias admin: cookietab [19:06] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30086 10/branches/6.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] preview: Only diff current section when section editing. Also fix html encoding on left side of diff. [19:07] *** FrankP has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:10] *** ttrimm has joined #tikiwiki [19:26] *** conner_bw has joined #tikiwiki [19:29] *** FrankP has joined #tikiwiki [19:29] *** FrankP has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:12] *** conner_bw has left [20:16] jonnyb: yes [20:34] *** ttrimm has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:36] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [22:06] *** _Gergely has joined #tikiwiki [22:10] <_Gergely> Hi everyone, My look&feel button gives an empty subpage for tiki-admin_include_look.php. I found a non-ascii character at line 105. However, removing that did not help. Brackets look ok. Any idea what it could be? [22:10] re-polom [22:11] hi _Gergely, what version ? [22:12] <_Gergely> hi luciash! mine is tw5.1, but the recent changes are not relevant. [22:12] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [22:13] hi all :-) [22:13] <_Gergely> hi ricks! [22:13] _Gergely: afaik 5.1 was fine there... i smell something wrong. [22:14] _Gergely: can u check if the file was modified recently at your server ? [22:14] *** ttrimm has joined #tikiwiki [22:14] heya ricks99 ! [22:14] using tiki6, i cannot upload images to wiki pages if i am *not* using file gallery :( [22:14] <_Gergely> my file == 5.x [22:14] hiya luciash & gregely [22:16] ricks99: can't you choose "use image gallery" instead ? [22:16] well yeah, but that doesn't really address the problem [22:16] in 5x we're using img/wiki_up/ [22:16] just upgraded to tiki6, now cannot add images :( [22:17] ricks99: i think there was option to "use file galleries for images" in wiki pages or something like that there too [22:17] so if you uncheck that, it should use the old way [22:17] it is unchecked. [22:18] i select the image. click preview or save. but the image is never inserted into the wiki page [22:18] doh ! then it must be a bug, you win ! :) [22:18] lol [22:18] * ricks99 doesnt want to *win*, just wants it to work :( [22:19] if it works when u use file gals (file gals enabled) then it must be just matter of wrong conditional if somewhere [22:20] or what did u mean by "i am *not* using file gallery" ? [22:20] nott storing images in file galleries [22:20] the option is *unselected* [22:21] am storing wiki images instead in img/wiki_up [22:22] so u still use file galleries, just not for wiki pages images, right ? [22:22] correct [22:22] on admin: wiki, features tab, the "use file galleries to store pictures" is *not* selected [22:22] img/wiki_up/ is still writable presumably [22:22] y [22:23] can u check if the image is there, just no wiki syntax appearing or both fails ? [22:23] I get the Upload Picture field on the wiki editor, but Tiki doesnt seem to actually upload the selected file, nor does tiki add the {img} tag [22:23] ok [22:24] ah.. .looks like the images *was* uploaded, but just no {img} tag added [22:24] good catch [22:24] * ricks99 wonders why he didnt think to look first :( [22:25] that sounds like a little regression bug after refactoring the wiki edit UI [22:25] jonnyb: around ? [22:36] *** fabricius_ has joined #tikiwiki [22:37] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:37] *** fabricius_ is now known as fabricius [22:42] _Gergely: u should upgrade to 5.3 for security reasons [22:43] <_Gergely> I know. I will do that later. [22:43] <_Gergely> I found out that the issue is with my first tab in tiki-admin-include-look.tpl [22:44] <_Gergely> the theme tab [22:45] i don't know if the file was modified [22:46] <_Gergely> the first two div [22:46] <_Gergely> I will check soon [22:51] <_Gergely> it is in the 2nd div. which has not changed up to 6.x [22:51] <_Gergely> I have strasa and never touched it [22:54] <_Gergely> {if $prefs.site_style != $a_style} {remarksbox type="note" title="{tr}Note{/tr}}{tr}Theme not saved yet - click "Apply"{/tr}{/remarksbox} {/if} [22:54] <_Gergely> this line is the culprit [22:58] Note{/tr}} [22:59] thats the issue [22:59] should have only a single } [22:59] <_Gergely> the other one is that of the remarkbox [23:00] 01{tr}Note{/tr}} is invalid and will cause an empty screen [23:00] <_Gergely> there is a " missing there [23:01] ah, yes, that too [23:01] odd that no one else has encountered this. what is your tiki version? [23:01] <_Gergely> 5.1, but everyone should have this [23:03] <_Gergely> just tested: only the " was missing [23:03] <_Gergely> it is present in the latest 6.x [23:04] _Gergely: yep, but what was with the utf-8 character you said before ? [23:04] <_Gergely> that did not make any difference [23:04] that non-ascii character [23:05] <_Gergely> yep, it is disregarded it seems, so it did not cause any issue [23:05] ok, i wonder it works for me too [23:05] do u use some specialty like JS disabled ? [23:05] <_Gergely> it is also present in 6.x [23:05] <_Gergely> no [23:06] <_Gergely> shall I submit these two fixes to 6.x? [23:06] ah, maybe we who use PHP errors reporting enabled do not get the blank screen :-p [23:07] two fixes ? [23:07] yes, to branches/6.x please [23:07] <_Gergely> yeah. 1. strange char 2. missing " [23:08] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:08] hmm, where is the strange character ? [23:09] <_Gergely> line 105 [23:10] <_Gergely> tiki-admin_include_look.php [23:10] in 6 i don't see it (just empty line) in my vim so presumably safe to remove [23:10] _Gergely: thanks [23:11] <_Gergely> it is after a if ( !f ) perhaps the line# is different [23:13] <_Gergely> anyway [23:14] <_Gergely> and what about http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3576&trackerId=5&show=view&reloff=4&cant=16&filterfield=54&exactvalue=Gergely&trackerId=5 [23:15] <_Gergely> am I allowed to submit such things? [23:20] i don't know, it is very sensitive area of code and i don't fully understand it [23:27] <_Gergely> it is about passing the $parse [23:27] <_Gergely> we talked about this one a few days back [23:27] <_Gergely> about the

added [23:28] <_Gergely> the wiki-parser adds the

, but one can turn it off. it is also faster, so I would set it to "n" by default [23:31] <_Gergely> I got to have some sleep now. bye everyone [23:33] bye _Gergely [23:35] *** _Gergely has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [23:45] New Forum Posts: Having difficulty understanding how to read time stamps created by tikiwiki - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39056 [23:46] *** redflo has left