#tikiwiki 2010-10-29,Fri

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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30402 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/freetags.php: [FIX] Freetags Editor: fix tag removal redirect loop with SEFURLs	[02:12]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30403 10/branches/6.x/tiki-admin_include_login.php: typo	[03:03]
luciash	re	[03:10]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3618 - - 5.3 crash - option "survey a page" - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3618	[03:31]
	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3619 - - Editing page option "check orthography" crashes save - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3619	[03:41]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30404 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-admin_newsletters.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX] Admin Newsletters: key link to permissions page never showing tikiwiki: r13086 regression. Thanks Marc Laporte. tikiwiki: Closes: #2569	[04:00]
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coaboa	hi all & good morning	[06:59]
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Hoenir	Hello how i can display "wiki"-entrys automated on the Homesite? e.g. Top10 readed or 10 newest entrys	[07:02]
coaboa	you can use pluginlistpages to gnerate all sorts of those listings see doc.tiki.org/pluginlistpages witth that plugin u can also specify to show the eg first 500 character from those pages	[07:04]
Hoenir	yeha thx	[07:07]
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John___	good afternoon	[11:23]
coaboa	hi	[11:24]
John___	i am searching for some help regarding the mime types i get a mime type error when trying to open docx but i added it in the mimetypes of apache and added it to the libs of my local tiki	[11:24]
coaboa	sorry I have no idea	[11:31]
John___	:( maybe someone else docx is not the only mime type but it is the most important one	[11:33]
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	nvm fixed it	[11:51]
coaboa	what was the problem?	[11:52]
John___	if you look in the DB open tike_files and add mimetype application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document for already uploaded files but you still have to add them in the apache mime.types and in the lib of tiki in mimetypes.php and in mimeextensions.php tike=tiki btw	[11:53]
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ricks99	hi all :-)	[12:34]
John___	hi ricks	[12:35]
ricks99	hi JOhn	[12:35]
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imbossok	Hi guys and girls I got a problem if any body could help	[13:39]
John___	what's ur problem	[13:41]
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imbossok	John just started with tiki using tiki for smarties got to poll in module and getting error message missing poll id for plugin poll yesterday it froze and had to reinstall it all again	[13:43]
ricks99	@imbossok: using 01{poll id=1} ? what tiki version?	[13:46]
imbossok	Hi ricks99 its 5.3	[13:47]
ricks99	so, u created a new module, added {poll id=1} to the module, then assigned the module?	[13:47]
imbossok	yes and get the error message	[13:47]
ricks99	what error msg?	[13:48]
imbossok	PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" and error missing poll id for plugin poll close the window	[13:49]
ricks99	what is the xact code u put in the module?	[13:50]
imbossok	{poll id=1}	[13:50]
chealer	polom	[13:53]
ricks99	try {POLL(pollId="1")}{POLL} ricks99 wonders why {poll id=x} and {POLL(pollid=x) /} are not identical...	[13:55]
imbossok	will do brb	[13:56]
lphuberdeau	{poll pollId=x}	[14:01]
imbossok	Nahh keeps going pearshaped on me	[14:02]
lphuberdeau	oh actually, in modules, it's not actually wiki syntax {wiki}{poll pollId=x}{/wiki} might do it	[14:02]
imbossok	will give it a go	[14:03]
ricks99	@lphuberdeau: not needed if the 'use wiki syntax' option is enabled	[14:04]
lphuberdeau	{wikiplugin _name=poll pollId=x}{/wikiplugin} is actually a bit more efficient oh, I didn't know about that option	[14:04]
ricks99	but that is NOT what the plugin helper adds	[14:04]
lphuberdeau	I have been trying to kill those user modules for a long time ever since I learned about their existence while trying to get profiles to set-up a menu as a module, I hated them	[14:04]
imbossok	ricks99 that code you gave me suddenly worked {POLL(pollId="1")}{POLL}	[14:07]
ricks99	y. working in my 5.3 (did u forget to clear the cache)	[14:07]
luciash	hi ppl	[14:07]
imbossok	thats me Mr forgetfull but thanks for the help	[14:07]
luciash	btw, using polls for rating wiki pages seems broken on doc.t.o	[14:08]
imbossok	bye all	[14:09]
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luciash	try to rate e.g. http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-all_languages.php?page=Custom+Code+HowTo+-+jQuery by clicking on the Rating button it redirects after few seconds automatically to homepage without chance to rate anything	[14:15]
ricks99	odd	[14:16]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r30406 10/branches/6.x/installer/schema/ (2 files): [FIX] Does not need to be installed every time, superseeded by tiki.sql	[14:19]
amette	luciash: nanotek - yeah, I tried a long time ago, possible but tricky indeed - just as the others also said	[14:21]
luciash	nanotek left amette: u worked on the freetags cloud ?	[14:23]
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luciash	going to http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-browse_freetags.php?tag=admin and trying to sort the cloud (e.g. by Size) doesn't seem to give a damn	[14:25]
amette	luciash: lighttpd	[14:28]
luciash	i know	[14:28]
amette	ok g I just realized that you do ;) I tried the freetag-cloud-search-thingy-interface, hated it and forgot about it.	[14:28]
luciash	ok, fair enough	[14:29]
amette	:)	[14:29]
luciash	luciash is getting frustrated Tiki has 1000 features integrated but none is 100% bug free :-/	[14:30]
amette	yeah, I know pretty well, what you mean... ... that side of tiki gives me a tough time getting back into the game again. :( feels like you can't even build a basic website without hitting at least a dozen bugs (which will change with the next upgrade)	[14:30]
luciash	if i had days 24*1000 i would certainly fix them all :-p	[14:31]
amette	You find the solution to let the earth rotate slowlier and I join you in the bugfixing mission! :D	[14:32]
lphuberdeau	bugs, features, same difference	[14:33]
amette	hehehe - heya lphuberdeau :) yeah, funnily that sentence crossed my mind two minutes ago, when I was typing here, too g	[14:33]
JoernOtt	amette: Maybe we should really consider some drastic changes for maybe 7.x or 8.x	[14:35]
lphuberdeau	I guess it comes naturally when you've been around tiki for too long gosh, and I thought I was making pretty drastic changes, you mean more?	[14:35]
amette	yeah, I'm too wondering about what kind of drastic changes will bring _no_ regressions with them? :)	[14:36]
JoernOtt	hehe, things like making a plan to move tiki a bit more towards object-oriented stuff	[14:36]
amette	ouch	[14:36]
JoernOtt	and then having for example a few very extensively tested core objects	[14:36]
amette	that discussion is probably as old as tiki	[14:36]
JoernOtt	like the one for permissions the one for rendering a text	[14:37]
lphuberdeau	well, the search is headed that way now	[14:37]
JoernOtt	exactly but we still have many things like wiki pages/articles/forum posts/blog posts which have very similar core requirements but differ at least a little bit	[14:37]
luciash	JoernOtt: it's the way to fork	[14:38]
lphuberdeau	it's always a matter of who's going to invest time in it and what the benefits would be	[14:39]
luciash	JoernOtt: it's called bitweaver now and i don't hear much about it around anymore	[14:39]
lphuberdeau	I don't think that "going object" is a good enough objective	[14:39]
amette	yup, sounds like "for the sake of itself"	[14:39]
JoernOtt	well, but maybe a more clear structure then	[14:39]
amette	that's all beautiful and I'm the last to object this...	[14:39]
JoernOtt	so, what is the difference between a wiki page and an article then?	[14:39]
amette	... just realistically - how many man-hours do you need to rewrite the tens of thousands of lines to do that?	[14:40]
JoernOtt	there are a few things you have with the article, you don't have with wiki pages	[14:40]
amette	and how far has mainline tiki evolved in that time? ... f0rk.. or a complete stop of development for a year - misssing two versions no one ever came up with a more feasible idea of really putting these ideas into practice...	[14:40]
lphuberdeau	one aspect at a time, and things go forward	[14:41]
amette	.. I think that's the ultimate problem with such a restructuring/-write/-factor	[14:41]
lphuberdeau	tiki is still miles ahead of where it was a few years back	[14:42]
amette	yeah, that sounds most feasible that's true, too :)	[14:42]
lphuberdeau	either I got used to it, or the code is more tolerable than it was	[14:42]
JoernOtt	hehe, it definitely improved	[14:43]
luciash	lphuberdeau: i think both :)	[14:43]
JoernOtt	I still have my old accounting stuf, I hacked for our computer club for tiki 1.9 (I am porting it to 6.x now) and tiki improved quite a lot so, I could reduce large portions of my code Do you think that storing (extended) HTML in the database instead of wiki syntax would make things easier (like WYSIWYG editors) if we would still have some HTML->WIKI-Syntax->HTML converters? At the moment, this seems to be one of the things causing a lot of work to the developers to get things done properly	[14:43]
lphuberdeau	I'm still not convinced there is a good wysiwyg solution out there	[14:47]
JoernOtt	Yes, that is why we should keep the plain old simple wiki-Syntax editor as well But with storing HTML, we might be able to implement different wysiwyg editors or upgrade the one we have more easily	[14:50]
lphuberdeau	someone already stored html directly in the table	[14:51]
JoernOtt	We could even think about interfaces to external editors (like m$ office ...brrrrrr...)	[14:51]
lphuberdeau	it had a huge ripple effect in the code	[14:51]
JoernOtt	yes, this is the problem and I don't want to loose my non-wysiwyg-Interface, which is quite fast and efficient	[14:52]
luciash	JoernOtt: i already had the simmilar idea years ago (to store wiki pages as XHTML/XML) but the guys freaked out and told that it would be impossible to parse back to wiki plugins etc.	[14:53]
JoernOtt	Well, I want to keep the plugins this is what I meant with "extended" HTML	[14:54]
luciash	JoernOtt: it would be definitely fast like hell to read the pages directly from db table and parse back to wiki syntax only for editing	[14:54]
JoernOtt	Those plugins will always be a PITA for integrating into any WYSIWYG editor	[14:55]
luciash	JoernOtt: but you'd need real parser and store history for diffs for both (generated page content VS wiki syntax used to create it)	[14:55]
JoernOtt	well, not really, but the parser must be reliably convert wiki syntax to html AND back	[14:56]
luciash	JoernOtt: so the editor (either wiki or wysiwyg) would know how to produce the syntax back in time of editing	[14:56]
JoernOtt	yes so, if I choose to use the wiki-syntax editor, it must convert html reliably to that syntax and back after editing	[14:57]
lphuberdeau	you're asking for the holy grail many people tried to get the back and forth conversion working, everyone failed	[14:58]
JoernOtt	The worst thing that happens is if people mix html and wiki syntax to get the desired results	[14:59]
lphuberdeau	the syntax is just not understood enough	[14:59]
luciash	well, maybe one could store all that info how the tag was produced in a special attributes for that (XML) tag and just strip them out for normal XHTML output or use XSLT (as sept7 suggested too) - but that would be again slowdown	[14:59]
lphuberdeau	luciash, don't worry about performance until it works	[15:00]
JoernOtt	and besides, a wysiwyg editor would not produce those tags if it only knows HTML	[15:00]
luciash	lphuberdeau: it is just another kind of caching solution in fact (storing the pages as XHTML in tables)	[15:03]
lphuberdeau	cache shouldn't go in the database ;)	[15:04]
luciash	i don't know, but for sure parsing whole document wiki syntax just for display it is much more queries and computation than just one query to get the content already parsed isn't it ?	[15:06]
JoernOtt	well, if you parse the {plugin} stuff later, there would still be parsing necessary	[15:07]
lphuberdeau	problem is that the parsing is user-specific	[15:08]
JoernOtt	which part of the "old" wiki-syntax is?	[15:09]
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sylvieg	do we have a lib somewhere to do the header stuff to download a file or I need to headr(Content-type); header(authenticate...)	[15:28]
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lphuberdeau	if it's anywhere, that would be headerlib	[15:36]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30407 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW]tracker: export a tracker structure in the yaml format used in profile	[16:07]
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jonnyb	polom from the north (relatively)	[16:30]
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jonnyb	anyone seen Rodrigo lately?	[16:30]
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chealer	hi jonnyb	[16:38]
jonnyb	hi chealer	[16:39]
chealer	I didn't see Rodrigo today but few days ago jonnyb: we have a bit of jQuery code for dynamic pretty trackers we'd like you to review to document what we did. please tell us when you have some time	[16:39]
jonnyb	seems the mediawiki importer isn't working (for me, anyway) can have a look at the jq stuff now if you like	[16:41]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30408 10/trunk/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: Admin Users: display link to user information even if information is private if viewer is site admin.	[16:58]
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chealer	sorry jonnyb, I realize I'm not able to get to the code at the moment thanks	[17:13]
luciash	how can i display articles after expiry date on wiki page called "articles-archive" ?	[17:13]
jonnyb	ok, chealer - gottagonowtoo hi/bye luciash	[17:13]
luciash	jonnyb: hello :) jonnyb: bye :)	[17:14]
chealer	bye jonnyb	[17:14]
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John_87	hey guys	[17:14]
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luciash	hi John_87	[17:15]
John_87	one question how do i add point to the correct answers? vor the quizz for*	[17:15]
luciash	point as in link ?	[17:16]
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John_87	http://tiki.org/QuizQuestionImport if i do that how do i also give the points with it or do i need to fill in that manual	[17:16]
luciash	oh, you mean the "" charater ? character	[17:18]
John_87	yes	[17:18]
luciash	you add it manually in the import text	[17:19]
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John_87	yes i know but i mean the amount of points for the right answer	[17:19]
luciash	only one is right and that is indicated by the point in the example or you can maybe have more than one right, then just add the asterisk character there too	[17:19]
John_87	sorry one sec i think i am not clear enough but i don't know how to say it in english(i am dutch) if i add questions through the webinterface i can set an amount of point for each question that is right but i don't see this back in the import	[17:22]
luciash	ah, like "reward points" ?	[17:23]
John_87	yes :D	[17:23]
luciash	i don't know, maybe that is not implemented in the import feature back to my question: how can i display articles after expiry date on wiki page called "articles-archive" ? i don't see it in the articles plugin as an obvious param	[17:24]
John_87	you can add a module with artickles archive "artickle archives"	[17:28]
luciash	John_87: ah, good tip John_87: thanks	[17:29]
John_87	no problem found it?	[17:31]
marclaporte	marclaporte just had a strange thought when thinking of http://doc.tiki.org/Custom+Code+HowTo+-+jQuery marclaporte thanks luciash for making this page So....	[17:32]
luciash	John_87: yeah John_87: i will try it in page using the MODULE wikiplugin	[17:33]
marclaporte	Custom code entry is part of Site Identity, and I consider luci as the "father" of Site Identity :-) jQuery in Tiki, I consider Jonnyb as being the "father"....	[17:33]
luciash	marclaporte: yeah, and you still call it Site Identity ;)	[17:34]
marclaporte	So now, we have grand children!	[17:34]
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luciash	hahah	[17:34]
marclaporte	marclaporte is proud of the offspring of Jonnyb and luciash :-)	[17:35]
chealer	excuse Marc, he's drinking too much Cola	[17:35]
John_87	are you guys developers of tiki?	[17:35]
marclaporte	marclaporte is an a restaurant in Montreal, along with lphuberdeau and chealer.... There are bunch of devs here in IRC...	[17:35]
luciash	chealer: ROFL marclaporte: greetigs there	[17:37]
John_87	what about the ages of the devs?	[17:39]
marclaporte	I am very excited that wiki syntax is getting more & more powerful and that via Site Identity/look & feel, we can now do amazingly powerful stuff, without changing a single file via FTP John_87 : that is an interesting question, likely same demographics as most open source projects got to go	[17:39]
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John_87	i am also a dev (not for tiki though) and i am using tiki for coordinate the other devs for what we still need and so ( i am 23)	[17:41]
luciash	luciash is +10	[17:41]
John_87	lawl	[17:41]
lphuberdeau	I guess the age around tiki goes from 20 to 70	[17:43]
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John_87	nice :\| the youngest in my team is 20 and i am the oldest lol (we are still students) and we are trying to make a mmo click game (with very nice features ofcourse) just to learn to work better with php	[17:44]
	and we use tiki to keep track of the documents and communicate about problems	[17:52]
lphuberdeau	by the way, you can request commit access on Tiki if you ever feel like improving something	[17:56]
John_87	cool	[17:58]
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fifer	I have a fresh install of the latest tikiwiki and when ever I try to click the "Click here to confirm your action" button after making changes to a uyser, it does nothing I have no issues confirming other actions, only this one. Trying to find info on this issue online but nothing yet	[17:59]
John_87	and that is on every part of the website? or just at editting users	[18:00]
fifer	This is just editing a tiki wiki user using admin > users Only when editing users, when I'm prompted to confirm things elsewhere there is no issue It even asks me to confirm my navigation to the user edit page, which works it is only when trying to save changes that the issue arises	[18:00]
John_87	yeah i have the some problem one moment	[18:03]
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John_87	:( i can't find it	[18:13]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30411 10/branches/6.x/installer/schema/20101028_p_invit_tiki.sql: [FIX]invite: sql error	[18:20]
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John_87	sorry fifer but i can't help you with this i can't find it eighter	[18:31]
luciash	chealer: web app gallery installations upgrades are not offered via the windows live update ?	[18:32]
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changi	polom	[18:36]
chealer	luciash: windows live update? is that the same as windows update?	[18:42]
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Trentin	hi everyone i am trying to upgrade my tikiwiki version from 3.8 to 5.3 the database upgrade ran fine but i now get an error when trying to use the tiki	[18:51]
lphuberdeau	what does the error look like?	[18:52]
Trentin	i get the following comment on the erro in the actionlog table "select data from sessions where sesskey = 'p46bh1bg5hsdlpeo9vepttulb1' and expiry > ?"	[18:52]
lphuberdeau	that does not look too nice	[18:52]
Trentin	the page itself doesn't give me any good info on the error that is all i have been able to find	[18:52]
lphuberdeau	any more details than that visible?	[18:53]
Trentin	nope checked the mysql logs and that is the last query run on the page	[18:53]
lphuberdeau	give me a sec, havn't updated my 5.x in ages in the very short term, I would expect disabling database sessions will solve it	[18:53]
Trentin	how do i do that?	[18:56]
lphuberdeau	tricky as you can't access the site, I know :)	[18:57]
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lphuberdeau	found the bug	[18:59]
Trentin	is it a preference in the db? k	[18:59]
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Trentin	so what is causing this issue?	[19:00]
lphuberdeau	error in the code actually	[19:01]
Trentin	yeah i just found it	[19:01]
lphuberdeau	luckily, that file was not modified between 5 and 6, so I'll just patch 6 quickly and point you to the file	[19:01]
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Trentin	tikisession-pdo.php it seems	[19:01]
lphuberdeau	should look like this: 33 if( $prefs['session_lifetime'] > 0 ) { 34 $qry = "select data from sessions where sesskey = ? and expiry > ?"; 35 $bindvars[] = $prefs['session_lifetime']; 36 } else { 37 $qry = "select data from sessions where sesskey = ?"; 38 } just missing an argument	[19:02]
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changi	changi testing new irc logger	[19:04]
Trentin	cool thanx	[19:04]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30413 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikisession-pdo.php: [FIX] Missing an argument causing an SQL error, also affects 5.x	[19:04]
lphuberdeau	fixed for 6, thanks for reporting really surprised this one did not show up before	[19:05]
John_87	there is also a problem with the confirmation screen after editting a user and i can't find what it is can't confirm the changes but the other 2 buttons are working well	[19:07]
lphuberdeau	I don't really fix UI stuff	[19:09]
John_87	well i think it is script stuff though :S try to edit a user password than u see what i mean via admin console	[19:09]
lphuberdeau	works for me, at least in 6	[19:13]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30414 10/trunk/ (95 files in 63 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30341 to 30411	[19:16]
John_87	yeah i am running 5.3	[19:17]
chealer	John_87: see http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes5.3#Regressions	[19:17]
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sylvieg	chealer: you have mail in the csv list	[19:18]
chealer	sylvieg: thanks, I'll deal with that	[19:20]
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chealer	sylvieg: I would put 'description' => tra('Wiki attachment:') . ' ' . tra('Used as link label instead of the file name or file description'),	[19:21]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30415 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_file.php: [FIX]merge: wrong merge - thx chealer	[19:27]
sylvieg	^^ hope it is ok this time	[19:27]
John_87	brb	[19:27]
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John_87	hey how can i make users clickable in the userlist? i can only click on admin	[20:17]
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John_87	hey deau	[20:26]
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chealer	John_87: their profile must be public, I think	[20:43]
John_87	they are public maybe the site cache one sec ill try damn ok thnx but it was the cache maybe an idea to make a module for the pms system	[20:44]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30416 10/trunk/templates/ (tiki-poll_results.tpl tiki-poll_results_bar.tpl): [MOD]poll: split poll result tpl - no modif	[20:51]
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chealer	sylvieg: thank you, perfect merge	[21:16]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30417 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_file.php: FILE plugin: improve description of remaining parameters	[21:18]
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	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30418 10/trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: Installer: add label for checkboxes of failed upgrade patches	[21:50]
luciash	chealer: yes, the same	[21:51]
chealer	luciash: no, it's the different system. there's not even a concept of upgrade, you just install a new version over the last. they're very far from having Debian-like package management. s/the/a/	[21:53]
luciash	haha, ok :-p i just hoped, maybe ;) i will give it a try (5.1 to 5.3)	[21:55]
	what does one need to enable (alias(Foo)) feature ?	[22:06]
chealer	doc, dev down	[22:06]
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