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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30419 10/branches/6.x/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [ADD] Added the profile handler for sheets. Still doesn't handle formulas, we'll call it an alpha. But it works!	[00:07]
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hrsms	From http://doc.tiki.org/In+Group+Field&structure=Documentation: "For instance, you can use that field in a tracker, and then request with a PluginTrackerList to list all records from a user tracker which belong to a specific group, and show all their details: phone, address, etc." This exactly what I want to do, but I can't get it to work. for field #34, set to In Group type, I tried filterfield=>34, filtervalue=>, where for I tried: y, Y, yes, Yes, "y", "Y", "yes", "Yes", and 1 I looked at the SQL table and noticed all entries where field =34 are NULL. I imagine that these are being computed when you list the tracker, but not stored, but the value is not available when the PluginTracker applies the filter. Help?	[02:55]
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chealer	doc, dev back	[05:29]
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John_87	good morning	[07:09]
chibaguy	John_87: good morning	[07:22]
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John_87	has someone expirience with bigbluebutton installation?	[08:33]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30420 10/mods/trunk/themes/milkyway_tiki_5/styles/milkyway/options/blue/ (footer.jpg footer.jpg): [FIX] Corrected background image, thanks to larryg.	[09:56]
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coaboa	John_87: I have some bbb experience based on ubuntu	[10:56]
John_87	yeah sorry i got it running already but i noticed that the bbb site is down ok now i have to try to get it working in tiki	[10:57]
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John_87	coaboa do you know how i can enable voice chat?	[11:26]
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imbossok	Hi ppl I got a problem with images not displaying	[11:29]
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imbossok	help!	[11:35]
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coaboa_	John_87 there is a mic icon this will enable the voice chat	[11:48]
John_87	yeah i know but i can't enable it it does nothing not even the wait music	[11:48]
coaboa_	ups.	[11:49]
John_87	but i can't update BBB because there website is down	[11:50]
coaboa_	do you have a chance to test if the mic and sound connectors are set up correctly (eg other voice chat application)	[11:50]
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John_87	build in into my laptop but one sec i think i founf why it not worked found*	[11:51]
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John_87	and it works it won't work if you are alone in the room	[12:05]
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coaboa	what are you using filegallery or upload to a dir?	[13:41]
imbossok	file gallery just been trying to put image on home page it wont display and in a file	[13:42]
John_87	what file type is your image?	[13:43]
imbossok	png, wasnt a problem 3 days ago but I've since reinstalled	[13:44]
changi	php5-gd ? or php6-imagick oups php5	[13:49]
imbossok	GD	[13:50]
changi	does php-info detect GD ?	[13:51]
imbossok	yup, no problem	[13:51]
changi	filegal in database or FS	[13:52]
imbossok	now you lost me	[13:54]
changi	did you change the filegal storage, default in database	[13:55]
imbossok	no didnt need to do anything with the database before so maybe I need to?	[13:55]
John_87	did you choose use database to store files or filesystem to store files?	[13:56]
imbossok	database I got a feeling its a problem with permissions	[13:56]
John_87	did you use the ID of the image or the image name?	[13:58]
imbossok	the images will upload but cant be viewed id	[13:58]
John_87	if you can write you also can read so that shouldn't be the problem or you changed the premissions in tiki the wrong way	[13:59]
imbossok	but as admin I shouldnt need permission but anyway I went down every list and gave me permission but still cant view, gettin to be a pain	[14:01]
John_87	and it is instead of the logo or just on a page? and did you clear the cache? (button is on the upper right corner)	[14:03]
imbossok	I uploaded my logo to images file in the files on the server thats ok, but if I upload a image to a wiki page or to a file gallery it cant be viewed yeah several times	[14:05]
John_87	and you use this kind of line? {IMG(src="tiki-download_file.php?fileId=77&display")}{IMG} fileId=77 should be the ID of your image like fileId=12	[14:06]
imbossok	well I didnt use that line but I used the upload images button on edit page for 1	[14:08]
John_87	you get something like this? {img fileId="77" thumb="y" alt="" rel="box[g]"}	[14:11]
imbossok	that comes through with a thumb with a red cross so the image cant be viewed	[14:13]
John_87	try to fill something in the alt="" like alt="no picture" do you see the no picture in the thumb? and fileId is the file ID of your uploaded picture brb	[14:13]
imbossok	no picture in the thumb and yes id is	[14:19]
John_87	than it could be not uploadeed correctly is it in your file gal? uploaded*	[14:19]
imbossok	yes	[14:21]
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John_87	ok that's a bit strange what is the id of the picture	[14:21]
imbossok	I know thats why its doin my head in well I tried one called toronto, one called fishing and a few more	[14:22]
John_87	ok look in your file gal there you see a small blue button with an i in it it is next to to picture you want to use the* there you can see the ID don't click on it just hover on it with your mouse	[14:23]
imbossok	image/jpeg	[14:26]
John_87	no i mean this http://85.144.220.148/picture_id.png	[14:28]
imbossok	nothing of that nature dont worry thanks for the help will delete it all	[14:29]
John_87	ok np problem	[14:30]
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John_87	-_-	[14:30]
nkoth	what was the strange problem he had? I can't access scroll back beyond 10.21 am	[14:31]
John_87	he was trying to import an image into a wiki page but i think he didn't use the right line	[14:32]
nkoth	why didn't he just use the icon in the editor that deos that?	[14:35]
John_87	he joined on [15:28] == imbossok	[14:35]
nkoth	maybe he is using the image gallery and not the file gallery or something	[14:36]
John_87	but if he uses the image gallery he still has the same kind of adding an image to the page(well i think) but nvm i gtg bye maybe back tonight	[14:41]
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coaboa	hi	[16:19]
marclaporte	marclaporte just recently figured out that coaboa = Carsten	[16:26]
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coaboa	;- )	[16:29]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30421 10/branches/6.x/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [DEL] Removed sheet profiles from 6.x, adding to trunk. tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30422 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [ADD] Added profile handler for sheet for further development	[16:37]
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nkoth	hi - you know how with tiki prefs we can set dependencies right? Is there a way to set a negative dependency? i.e. another pref must be off	[17:00]
lphuberdeau	not at this time	[17:01]
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hrsms	The "In Group" field type is working for me when I list tracker items (tiki-view_tracker.php) but I cannot filter on it as advertized in http://doc.tiki.org/In+Group+Field&structure=Documentation... "For instance, you can use that field in a tracker, and then request with a PluginTrackerList to list all records from a user tracker which belong to a specific group, and show all their details: phone, address, etc." Looking into the sql tables I see all records with the field ID are blank. I'm guessing tiki-view_tracker.php computes the values (Yes, No) but does not persist them. Guessing further that the plugin is relying on the table values, so the info is not available. Is there a way to make this work?	[17:14]
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babbos	i have problems connecting to the db, all is set well, doublechecked and doublecreated the db / user records, flushed privs, login ok from console, yes tikiwiki persists reporting no connection... db/local.php file is ok... where should i look next?	[17:35]
coaboa	whom may I contact to appear on info.tiki.org/Consultants ?	[17:40]
hrsms	The "In Group" field type is working for me when I list tracker items (tiki-view_tracker.php) but I cannot filter on it as advertized in http://doc.tiki.org/In+Group+Field&structure=Documentation... "For instance, you can use that field in a tracker, and then request with a PluginTrackerList to list all records from a user tracker which belong to a specific group, and show all their details: phone, address, etc." Looking into the sql tables I see all records with the field ID are blank. I'm guessing tiki-view_tracker.php computes the values (Yes, No) but does not persist them. Guessing further that the plugin is relying on the table values, so the info is not available. Is there a way to make this work?	[17:46]
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marclaporte	coaboa : just add yourself http://tiki.org/Business+Models#You_want_to_offer_Tiki_services_ hrsms : I don't know offhand but... but I know some work is happening there hrsms : what version? babbos : did you create db/local.php manually? babbos : what is error message?	[18:03]
babbos	totaly generic "Tiki is unable to connect to the database"	[18:09]
marclaporte	marclaporte is uploading Tiki6Beta3 for a test run. It has been over 3 hours and it's still not fully uploaded! (using FTP)	[18:09]
babbos	and advice to check if my db is running, or accurate credentials on db/local.php im stack 1h+ with this, tried everything :(	[18:09]
marclaporte	well, you could find a mini php-mysql application to test with	[18:09]
babbos	i have many	[18:10]
marclaporte	but also	[18:10]
babbos	console logins ok, web is up with mysql ok what else	[18:10]
marclaporte	try adodb instead of pdo	[18:10]
babbos	? im on freebsd	[18:10]
marclaporte	uh	[18:10]
babbos	i think i'll install through ports... they have 3.x :/	[18:10]
marclaporte	hehe it's LTS! Well, at least, it'll prove if it works you could try: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes40	[18:11]
babbos	aha	[18:12]
marclaporte	which is to add the following statement to the end of your ../db/local.php file, before the ?>: $api_tiki='adodb';	[18:12]
babbos	damn	[18:13]
marclaporte	Is this what you got? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/www/tikiwiki/	[18:13]
babbos	that worked! comeonnnn how should i know that	[18:13]
marclaporte	hehe which part worked?	[18:13]
babbos	pasting $api_tiki='adodb';	[18:14]
marclaporte	ok, let's make you the last person in the World to have this problem	[18:14]
babbos	lol	[18:14]
marclaporte	what version of Tiki?	[18:14]
babbos	last or first?	[18:14]
marclaporte	last the others probably gave up	[18:15]
babbos	5.3	[18:15]
marclaporte	or found a solution and didn't share so....	[18:15]
babbos	Congratulations This is the default homepage for your Tiki. If you are seeing this page, your installation was successful. yeay	[18:15]
hrsms	marclaporte : ver 5.3	[18:16]
marclaporte	babbos: please share this info at http://doc.tiki.org/FreeBSD+Install and make history! hrsms: ok, good babbos : would be nice if someone could try to get FreeBSD port to be a more recent version	[18:19]
babbos	surely	[18:20]
marclaporte	marclaporte realizes that Tiki's release schedule is hard to keep up with....	[18:20]
babbos	uhmm there is no register link on the page :]	[18:21]
marclaporte	babbos : try to login and it should link to where to register	[18:22]
babbos	"XMLRPC Error: 101 - Invalid username or password" no register link there simply is no link, gone through all	[18:23]
marclaporte	heh ok, I admit it's not clear	[18:24]
babbos	well not so important...	[18:24]
marclaporte	click "login"	[18:24]
babbos	who needs users anyway :}	[18:24]
marclaporte	hehe then, you will be at: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-login_scr.php	[18:24]
babbos	oh ok, i have to go to tiki.org	[18:24]
marclaporte	yup "To have an account at this site, please register at Tiki.org, and then use that user name and password to log in here. This site gets user information from Tiki.org with the InterTiki feature." It used to be a link, but someone made it more fancy with the drop down In a non-MultiTiki context, there is a register link in the popup	[18:25]
babbos	signup button should take 30% of the page and flashing	[18:26]
marclaporte	hehe I agree. Just need someone to do it :-) now, back to hrsms so....	[18:26]
hrsms	yes?	[18:28]
marclaporte	there is work on this feature in context of making crm.tiki.org	[18:28]
babbos	http://doc.tiki.org/FreeBSD+Install	[18:29]
marclaporte	I know it's better in Tiki6, but I'll test now in Tiki5 +1 babbos	[18:30]
hrsms	Are you referring to the adodb problem or tracker problem?	[18:31]
marclaporte	hrsms : tracker hrsms : did you try using in plugin? or just view_tracker.php ?	[18:31]
hrsms	When I view the tracker items through the normal link, I see the In Group field filled out correctly... When I use the plugin and try to filter I get 0 hits background: this is for a club website where past/present members have a standing as full, associate, junior, honorary, inactive, or (sadly) deceased. These are also names of tiki groups used to control priveledges. (more...) I currently have a enum field in the tracker that mirrors the groups so I can filter when listing the members on a roster page (for example) But that means if the status changes I have to update the tracker and assigned group separately	[18:33]
marclaporte	This is exactly what we are trying to address with crm.tiki.org	[18:38]
hrsms	Then I discovered the In Group field, which would allow me to delete the enum and control it just through group assignment. So I'm trying to get that to work. So.... doesn't work in 5.3, or you're still investigating?	[18:38]
marclaporte	That should work, but there is something better in 6.0 babbos : http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes5.0#Can_t_connect_to_the_database	[18:42]
babbos	cool :)	[18:44]
marclaporte	hrsms : still investigation	[18:47]
hrsms	marclaporte : btw - I tried a lot of different formats for the filter value e.g. y, "y', Yes, "Yes", etc. None worked. Maybe I still haven't tried the correct format. What is the correct value to filter on for In Group field?	[18:47]
marclaporte	group name? I have never used it yet, but I am setting up user tracker now to test ah no, hrsms I see what you mean now, about y/n	[18:48]
	ok, so I have test users now http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=2	[18:58]
hrsms	That's access controlled. Is that something I should be able to register for?	[19:02]
marclaporte	check pm for password so I have 2 users (Reggie Dunlop, a Registered user and admin, in Admins group) marclaporte thinks Regis Dunlop is an awesome name for a test user	[19:02]
hrsms	:-) Why is that?	[19:04]
marclaporte	now, I need to setup user tracker, because tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=2 is not showing use admin as being part of Admins group (according to http://doc.tiki.org/In+Group+Field)	[19:06]
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luciash	polom polom	[19:14]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30423 10/branches/proposals/5.x/db/tiki.sql: [bp/r30106] [DB] Set correct utf8 charset and collation on clean install	[19:17]
luciash	luciash wonders why to backport non-security fixes to 5.x when 6.x is around the corner ?	[19:21]
marclaporte	because until 6.1 is out, it's quite reasonable that people will use 5.3 (5.4) I would say that this is an indirect consequence of me not being strict enough in 5.x release process	[19:25]
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hrsms	marclaporte : my connection dropped. I've logged back in but can't see the prior conversation. Is there a way for me to scroll back to see previous posts? help! >help!	[19:30]
Sug4r	'help' could be way of getting some useful (or not so useful but kind of funny) information from me. By me I mean Sug4r, the IRC bot. You can give me commands like >whatis foo to get some facts from my factoids database about foo , >list alias to get list of command aliases i understand, >help alias about to get some help about alias called about and its parameters or /msg Sug4r help someothercommand (1 more message)	[19:30]
marclaporte	hrsms : I was waiting for you	[19:31]
hrsms	My connection dropped. What do you need from me?	[19:31]
marclaporte	hrsms : irc.tiki.org normally for a log (but down now somehow) can you log in to http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=2	[19:32]
hrsms	yes I see you've added Susie Q	[19:32]
marclaporte	:-) ok, so I see what you mean about filter not working admin user is misreported too (weird) hrsms : do you code? user admin is in Admins group but not properly detected on http://demo.tikiwiki.org/5x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=2	[19:33]
hrsms	I'm a programmer by profession. Mostly C++ and VB6. The only website I do is for this club (hrsms.org), of which I'm a member. The first incarnation of the site was created by me using Notepad to write html and css. Later I learned some SQL and php so I could do more with it (more...) Eventually I decided to take advantage of a open-source tool and chose tiki. So here we are. But I don't understand Smarty at all	[19:39]
marclaporte	welcome to Tiki :-) When you feel ready: http://dev.tiki.org/Commit so... let's see if the missing feature is OK in Tiki6	[19:40]
hrsms	I'll take a look someday, for sure. Right now my day job is kicking my you-know-what/ So you're saying that all the data in your tracker is correct except for admin? I'll have to look closer, but so far I also see nothing wrong with my tracker ( I don't care about the admin user ). It's the plugin that seems not to work . I have a group called "Full" (full membership level)	[19:41]
marclaporte	yes, the filter is not working	[19:45]
hrsms	OK. Did you send a link to a page using the plug in? I've added 34 people to that group, and when I list the tracker the InGroup (Full) column appears to list everyone correctly (though I haven't examined all 34 records) The field ID for the In Group column is 34. When I query tiki_tracker_item_fields WHERE `fieldId` =34, all the values are blank. Does that sound right?	[19:45]
luciash	hrsms: btw, smarty is relatively easy to learn, see http://smarty.net	[19:49]
hrsms	I was going to ask if you'd recommend a book, website, etc. Can I learn all I need from that link, or do you recommend a good book or tutorial site?	[19:50]
marclaporte	http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World	[19:51]
hrsms	I took a quick scan of "Hello World". Looks like this could be a lot of fun, but like I said, not too soon, that day job.....	[19:53]
luciash	hrsms: you can learn almost all from the reference docs there, for Tiki specific stuff look at the page marc posted and you can learn a lot from inline "docs" of the custom Tiki smarty blocks, functions and modifiers in lib/smarty_tiki/	[19:54]
hrsms	cool. thanks.	[19:55]
marclaporte	hrsms : sylvieg is the best person to ask for these tracker issues she is usually online, but not today	[20:05]
hrsms	marclaporte : So, have we gone as far as we can with this? Are you willing to take a peek at the SQL table for your test tracker and see if the values are blank there also?	[20:06]
marclaporte	sure, I can look but the main thing is to check if better in Tiki6	[20:06]
hrsms	For Tiiki6, are you volunteering or asking me to take the initiative and report back? ;-)	[20:07]
marclaporte	I am upgrading http://crm.tiki.org/ now let's work together. password in pm	[20:08]
hrsms	OK. What would you like me to do?	[20:09]
marclaporte	sylvieg : in Boston, I am in Montr�al hrsms : ok, login to crm.tiki.org	[20:10]
hrsms	OK. I'm logged in	[20:13]
marclaporte	:-) hrsms : this is where we are going in Tiki6: http://doc.tiki.org/User+Groups	[20:14]
luciash	marclaporte: that crm site must be upgraded one, not fresh new 6, right ?	[20:15]
marclaporte	I just updated	[20:15]
luciash	yeah, i presume because of the logo and sitetiles position ;)	[20:16]
hrsms	OK. I've read through the User+Groups page	[20:17]
luciash	marclaporte: better :)	[20:17]
hrsms	You want me to create a tracker there?	[20:18]
marclaporte	you can use the one that is there just add field you need	[20:18]
luciash	marclaporte: will you add the admin panel for the rating feature still when there is the icon now available ?	[20:21]
marclaporte	I was hoping you would do so :-)	[20:22]
luciash	i am running out of time i think	[20:23]
hrsms	Can I have your permission to 1) create a test group 2) assign you to it 3) create a page that uses the TrackerList plugin with filter set to MemberOf field and value=new group name? I'll undo all after we're done.	[20:25]
marclaporte	hrsms : yes to all hrsms : this site will serve as an example of an out-of-the box CRM profile, so please do improve as it makes sense to you	[20:25]
hrsms	marclaporte : go to http://crm.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1 and you'll see you've been added to a group named "Developers" Go to http://crm.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Developers and see that no records are returned. Feel free to double-check my usage of the plugin	[20:33]
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John_87	hey everyone some knows how bbb works because i have a problem with intergrating it into tiki	[20:35]
marclaporte	John_87: hi! luciash : so I guess we have a missing feature! John_87 : what version of BBB ?	[20:36]
luciash	marclaporte: nope, just missing feature implementation	[20:36]
marclaporte	oh, how to turn on?	[20:37]
John_87	my demo page of bbb works great but when i connect via tiki the voice service does not work en i got an error that he can't find the extension (error come from arterisk)	[20:37]
marclaporte	uh marclaporte wishes came along with easier problems :-) marclaporte wishes John_87 came along with easier problems :-)	[20:37]
John_87	yeah i wish i had it a bit easier 2	[20:38]
marclaporte	So which version of Tiki? which version of BBB? are you in SSL?	[20:39]
John_87	5.3 uhm 0.7 and no hehe :P	[20:39]
chealer	coaboa: it seems like you may be able to add yourself. otherwise, send a tiki.org admin (like me) - perhaps through tikiwiki-devel - what should be added	[20:40]
John_87	i looked in the configs but i don't get it	[20:40]
marclaporte	hrsms : http://crm.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1&status=o&sort_mode=lastModif_asc&filterfield=26&filtervalue[1]=&filtervalue[7]=&filtervalue[9]=&filtervalue[10]=&filtervalue[26]=Developers&filtervalue[2]=&filtervalue[3]=&filtervalue[4]=&filtervalue[5]=&filtervalue[6]=&filter=Filter looks oK hrsms : fixed: http://crm.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Developers	[20:40]
luciash	marclaporte: it should be sanitized if you selected so in Admin > Security > Spam protection > Protect email against spam marclaporte: but it isn't because somebody didn't implemeted it in that specific remarksbox message	[20:42]
marclaporte	hrsms : I want to have expiry date available too	[20:43]
luciash	marclaporte: or u have it disabled ?	[20:43]
John_87	so no one can help me? :S	[20:43]
marclaporte	spam protection is on: http://crm.tiki.org/tiki-admin.php?page=security	[20:43]
luciash	John_87: i thought u have that figured out already (when 2 users in the room)	[20:44]
marclaporte	John_87 : I wish lphuberdeau was there	[20:44]
John_87	yeah it was only on the demo page of the installation	[20:44]
marclaporte	John_87 : is is a public site, so we can try ?	[20:44]
luciash	ah bbl	[20:44]
John_87	the demo is found here: http://85.144.220.148:82	[20:45]
lphuberdeau	?	[20:45]
marclaporte	polom lphuberdeau John_87 has BBB error message.... John_87 : may be interested in TikiSuite = Tiki + BigBlueButton + Kaltura + PiWik + .... -> http://dev.tiki.org/Suite	[20:46]
John_87	sorry but i have a dedicated server so :S http://www.project-wot.tk/ there you can join one of the rooms i am using	[20:47]
lphuberdeau	I don't know much about BBB is it an integration issue or a problem with BBB?	[20:49]
John_87	i don't know i look true a lot of configs for this :S	[20:49]
lphuberdeau	hmmm, does not seem to authenticate did you configure the hash correctly?	[20:50]
John_87	yes there is one i found that is a bug i think yes	[20:50]
lphuberdeau	used bbb-conf to set the ip and salt?	[20:51]
John_87	i cannot edit the bluebutton link like guest prefix and such but i am admin yes	[20:51]
marclaporte	I have no problem to enter the room	[20:51]
lphuberdeau	won't let me enter from tiki	[20:52]
marclaporte	Let's all stress test http://www.project-wot.tk/ and start webcams!!	[20:52]
lphuberdeau	actually, you get to see the visitor list, so the link works I get 'no valid session'	[20:52]
marclaporte	standalone is at: http://85.144.220.148:82/ can :82 be an issue?	[20:53]
lphuberdeau	we moved it up to around 9 cams the other day	[20:53]
marclaporte	John_87: BBB 0.71 resolves some sound quality issues (though not sure about this specific one) http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/071DraftInstall	[20:54]
hrsms	marclaporte : thanks for finding the fieldID error. I mistook the In Group field for User Groups. So I added a In Group field for "Developers" and added another TrackerList to the Developers page	[20:56]
marclaporte	hrsms : my pleasure	[20:56]
hrsms	No results.	[20:56]
John_87	but it issen't the sound quality	[20:56]
hrsms	I'd be intriqued to see the contents of the tracker_item_fields for the User Groups field and In Group field? Both NULL? User Groups has values and In Group does not? Sorry... intrigued (sp)	[20:57]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau : live.tiki.org is OK for you?	[21:02]
lphuberdeau	yeah loading is much much faster too might be something with my token expiring by the time I enter the room	[21:03]
marclaporte	ok	[21:09]
luciash	marclaporte: can we enable "report to webmaster" link on t.o ?	[21:11]
marclaporte	sure!	[21:11]
luciash	k done should i use the default mail or oliver's ?	[21:12]
hrsms	marclaporte : I'd be intrigued to see the contents of the tracker_item_fields for the User Groups field and In Group = Developers field. Both NULL? User Groups has values and In Group does not? I presume there's no way for me to see the SQL tables, but I presume you could. Please? marclaporte : I'm sorry. I did not understand "I want to have expiry date available too"	[21:15]
marclaporte	hrsms : a feature request I have for crm.tiki.org is to be able to have a list of all members, in order of upcoming expiry date, so they can be contacted to renew have to ask Oliver	[21:17]
hrsms	ahh. Good one.	[21:17]
marclaporte	but I don't know who'll want to manage that	[21:17]
luciash	marclaporte: just left to the deafult one (noc)	[21:18]
marclaporte	ok could be one with an auto-responder which explains the wiki way and that people should register and participate :-)	[21:18]
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luciash	marclaporte: funnily the "Report to Webmaster" page says "Send a link to a friend" in the browser title :D http://tiki.org/tiki-tell_a_friend.php?report=y&url=/tiki-index.php	[21:29]
John_87	lol	[21:29]
luciash	marclaporte: there could be also prefilled "I found an interesting bug that I thought you would like to know about." ;) it is too late to rename tiki-tell_a_friend.php?report=y to tiki-share_a_link.php?report=y	[21:30]
marclaporte	ask Jonny! :-) I think it's just tiki-share.php ... perhaps do in trunk and ask for backport	[21:35]
luciash	marclaporte: i'm just stumbling over these while trying to help others... i have really no extra time other than what i have already scheduled until tuesday evening so will have to wait for 6.1	[21:40]
marclaporte	I understand	[21:40]
luciash	not important anyway, just funny :)	[21:40]
marclaporte	hehe	[21:41]
hrsms	marclaporte : I understand if you don't have time to look at those tables. I want to thank you for the time you spent investigating this with me. Do you want me to delete the group, tracker field, and page I created on the CRM site now?	[21:45]
marclaporte	hrsms : hold on, just multitasking where/what do I need to look at?	[21:46]
hrsms	one moment - generating a query for you This "should" do it: SELECT * FROM `tiki_tracker_item_fields` WHERE `fieldId` = 26 OR `fieldId` = 29 ORDER BY `tiki_tracker_item_fields`.`fieldId` ASC	[21:48]
marclaporte	on crm.tiki.org?	[21:53]
hrsms	Yes. You have access to the database? For my site I have CPanel and phpMyAdmin available to look at the database behind Tiki. I have no idea how you would do it.	[21:53]
marclaporte	yes, I have	[21:57]
John_87	hrsms use navicat i love it ^^	[21:59]
marclaporte	Showing rows 0 - 9 (10 total, Query took 0.0004 sec)	[21:59]
hrsms	John_87 : As I explained to marc earlier, I manage just one website for my club. Being a small group, we use a cheap shared web host. I think I'm limited to what they provide, no? Or is it possible to enter the database location and credentials in navicat and not go through my CPanel? marclaporte : What did you see in those 9 rows?	[22:03]
marclaporte	numbers	[22:04]
hrsms	:-)	[22:04]
John_87	if they set their database server open to public than you can or your account is bounded to localhost	[22:04]
hrsms	localhost sounds familiar When fieldID = 26, what do you see in the values column? Blanks? Different group IDs? Different group names?	[22:04]
John_87	but in navicat you can store your query's for later use and register the triggers you have in your database	[22:06]
hrsms	When fieldID = 29, what do you see in the values column? Blanks? "Yes"? "No"?	[22:06]
marclaporte	marclaporte closed the window :-) but will go back	[22:08]
	numbers	[22:17]
John_87	fieldID is an integer so it is ID's but don't know which on is added in it because i don't use the tracker lol	[22:17]
hrsms	You see numbers in the Value column, the fieldID column, or both? Maybe I should post a screen shot of my query results. Would that help?	[22:18]
marclaporte	http://pastebin.com/Ca3A2m95 I have to go soon	[22:19]
hrsms	one sec	[22:23]
	Sorry. That took longer than I thought it would. http://www.hrsms.org/home/dl576	[22:29]
John_87	what version of tiki are you using?	[22:30]
hrsms	5.3 See how fieldID = 33 (my enum that mirrors the groups) has values, but when fieldID = 34 (In Group = Full) the values are empty? I suspect the same is true for the CRM tracker we've been playing with (tiki6) I suspect this because the TrackerList plugin works for User Groups fields (fieldID = 26 in that query sent for marc) but not In Group = Developers (fieldID = 29 in that query sent for marc) Marc, when you said soon, did you mean really soon, as in you're already gone? Or currently reaching for your car keys? Do you need me to undo the changes to the crm site once you've had to go?	[22:30]
marclaporte	pretty soon hrsms : see private message /me hungry	[22:35]
hrsms	So you want me to undo those changes or leave them for later? yeah, me too :-)	[22:37]
marclaporte	you have mail hrsms : no problem for leaving bogus data	[22:40]
hrsms	OK. Thanks again for your help.	[22:41]
marclaporte	if you change tracker structure, try to do in a way to use features which will be useful for the out-of-the-box profile If you can demonstrate bugs on that site, it's a lot easier to fix bugs or feature requests ok, I see now from your screenie. So was blank for me	[22:41]
hrsms	Yep. I went to the srm tables and saw all blanks for both fields. So my suspicion was wrong. It's odd that the filter works for one but not the other. Now I wonder if I'm using the correct filter value. I've tried various versions of "yes" (caps, no-caps, just 'y'). I tried the number 1. I think I'll go try "true".	[22:50]
	Nope. Not that either. I'll ask Sylvie. If all else fails, when tiki6 is released I'll use the User Groups field instead. I just saw that tiki6 is/was scheduled for this month. So it will be soon, or much delayed?	[22:55]
marclaporte	You can also perhaps backport that plugin to 5.3 We are in Beta3, which very usable If you have SSH on your server, just use code from SVN	[22:56]
hrsms	Still there marc? Or did hunger get the better of you ? :-)	[23:03]
marclaporte	heh	[23:07]
hrsms	Sorry. I went to the kitchen also. I'll reply to your email. As for backporting, that may be over my head. I'll consider downloading the beta version. But though I've heard of SSH, I'm not sure what it is or how to use it.	[23:14]
John_87	you use windows?	[23:17]
hrsms	yes	[23:18]
John_87	well ssh is like telnet but more secure and with more features it is almost you use remotedesktop to the commandline	[23:18]
hrsms	Used unix for a short time long ago (13 years?)	[23:19]
John_87	you can also use secure ftp (sftp) to connect to an ssh server and browse through the files	[23:19]
hrsms	There is something called SSH/Shell access on my CPanel, but i've never used it	[23:19]
John_87	if you can work with bash you can work with ssh and it's not that hard to learn	[23:19]
hrsms	remote desktop I undersand, telnet and bash I've only heard of	[23:20]
John_87	bash is like ms-dos but then for (mostly) linux or other unix based systems	[23:21]
hrsms	What did he mean "If you have SSH on your server, just use code from SVN" To do what? Get the beta version? What is SVN? back in two minutes...	[23:22]
John_87	svn is subversion you can sync with a server where the (in this case) the website pages are at you can also download tortoise svn to your computer than create a map called svntiki right click on it and click on svn checkout	[23:22]
hrsms	So... next time I want to upgrade, I can do a synch instead of uploading all of the code through ftp? That would save me a lot of time! If that's what you mean, I HAVE to learn this!	[23:25]
John_87	there you copy past this link https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/6.x and you click on OK and it will start downloading the files	[23:25]
hrsms	Well, now you've lost me again :-) tortoise?	[23:25]
John_87	yeah google for it, its and subversion client an( * damn it's too late lol if you manage to get the code like the way i just gave you then your next step is to try this http://dev.tiki.org/Get+Code#switch_to_branches_6.x	[23:26]
hrsms	I'll look into it. If I can't figure it out, maybe someone at work can help me. I work for a big software company. We use Windows for our platform, but there are a lot of ex-Unix jockeys in the group.	[23:29]
John_87	sorry wrong link i mean this one for a clean install (for testing) http://dev.tiki.org/Get+Code#Using_Dev_6.x_from_SVN	[23:30]
marclaporte	hrsms : you need a webhost which gives you SSH (many do)	[23:32]
John_87	he said he has the option in his cpanel	[23:33]
hrsms	I wonder if it's restricted somehow. Can they expose it but limit the options?	[23:34]
John_87	yes	[23:34]
marclaporte	can someone try br.tiki.org and say of they get relevant page or default Plesk page?	[23:38]
John_87	it redirects me to info.tiki.org marclaporte it redirects me to info.tiki.org how do you do that? :\|	[23:39]
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hrsms	marclaporte : Since SSH brought this up....I'm already frustrated with my host. Can you recommend one?	[23:54]
marclaporte	hehe John_87 : http://doc.tiki.org/Multi-domain hrsms : just what I am working on: http://tiki.org/Testing+Tiki+installations+on+major+Shared+Hosting+companies#Hostgator	[23:56]
John_87	no how do you let my pc bleep when you type John_87 : message	[23:58]

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