#tikiwiki 2010-11-02,Tue

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Devilwct	good morning ^^[08:45] <Devilwct> i guess everyone is sleeping :O	[08:28]
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changi	Devilwct: no :)	[08:49]
Devilwct	lol :P what's ur local time?	[08:50]
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changi	GMT+1 :)	[08:56]
Devilwct	same here ^^	[08:56]
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changi	Devilwct: where precisely ? marclaporte: i add irc/themes on piwik	[09:21]
Devilwct	The netherlands and you?	[09:21]
changi	Devilwct: fance oups france :) Fr/Alsace, not so far	[09:24]
Devilwct	:O i live a bit in the south of netherlands	[09:26]
	changi: you can find my location in my profile i think :O i used the google maps api for it	[09:34]
changi	Devilwct: on irc or on tikiwebsites ?	[09:39]
Devilwct	tikiwebsites	[09:39]
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Devilwct	he should get a big hammer :O	[10:04]
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CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30464 10/branches/6.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] trackers: Missing item description in comment and attachment notificatons (thanks Xavi)	[10:39]
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CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r30466 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [MOD] Changed spreadsheets to have a height on startup.	[12:25]
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bro	hi, is there a way to change the links in the catpath plugin, so that they point to sites you can define and not to tiki-browse_categories.php?parentid..	[12:48]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30467 10/trunk/lib/ (categories/categlib.php wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_category.php): [ENH] wikiplugin_category: Added maxRecords param with default of 50 (added param to get_categoryobjects() but left default as before at 500)	[12:52]
lphuberdeau	bro, I don't think there is any direct way you can do it from tiki's configuration, might be able to hack your way around with javascript	[12:56]
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bro	i was thinking more of something like changing the way wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_catpath.php looks up the categories	[13:01]
lphuberdeau	don't you just want to change the URL they point to?	[13:04]
bro	yep	[13:05]
lphuberdeau	how do you plan on storing those site links?	[13:06]
bro	mybe in an extra table in the db, if that works or is it better to do this another way	[13:07]
lphuberdeau	there are many ways to do it depending on how hackish you want it to be which version are you running on?	[13:08]
bro	latest stable i think 5.3 yep, it is 5.3	[13:09]
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lphuberdeau	you can probably use the generic object attributes table to store the data there is no UI to input the values as it's kind of a behind the scenes thing at the moment	[13:10]
bro	you mean the tiki_objects table yep, but for that we could write a little ui to just change these values	[13:11]
lphuberdeau	and you can use lib/attributes/attributelib.php tiki_object_attributes	[13:12]
bro	the concern im having with using an existing table is, that if the schema changes with an update, i could get lost	[13:14]
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lphuberdeau	tiki_object_attributes won't change it was created to contain those types of values	[13:15]
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bro	oh, oke that helped me a lot, im going to look into this	[13:21]
dcedilotte	Is anybody familiar with the users_rank module?	[13:22]
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lphuberdeau	http://dev.tiki.org/Object+Attributes+and+Relations	[13:26]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30468 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_split.php: [FIX]SPLIT: quick patch to have SPLIT into SPLIT. As now the plugin are parsed from larger to smaller, the SPLIT inside SPLIT must be protected	[13:26]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3620 - - Image resizing in Wysiwyg converts {img} to html image - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3620	[13:45]
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JoernOtt	is info.tikiwiki.org being updated? I just got a database error there	[14:25]
ricks99	working for me	[14:25]
JoernOtt	did a reaload and the database page is gone	[14:26]
lphuberdeau	might just be the mysql server being a bit too loaded	[14:26]
JoernOtt	maybe just a network hiccup	[14:26]
ricks99	maybe a temporary db connection issue?	[14:26]
JoernOtt	yes	[14:26]
ricks99	when in dobut... refresh :-)	[14:26]
JoernOtt	usually these temporary errors are just a prelude to a serious server problem	[14:29]
lphuberdeau	I will just let the sysadmins deal with it :)	[14:35]
changi	mysql is a little bit over loaded :)	[14:36]
lphuberdeau	is it caused by an increase in traffic or something else?	[14:38]
changi	increase in traffic	[14:40]
ricks99	thats a good problem to have	[14:40]
lphuberdeau	let's introduce more bugs to get people to run away then	[14:41]
ricks99	lol	[14:41]
changi	lphuberdeau: lol	[14:43]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3621 - - Cut and paste in wysiwyg messes up wiki plugins - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3621	[14:45]
ricks99	well, fwiw, alexa shows a pretty good/steady traffic increase http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=t&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=3m&u=tiki.org&	[14:45]
changi	from where did alexa get those informations ?	[14:53]
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CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30469 10/trunk/lib/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [MOD] Adding support for incremental index update	[14:53]
lphuberdeau	I think they just get the data from ISPs	[14:54]
ricks99	and their toolbar http://www.alexa.com/company	[14:54]
lphuberdeau	is it just me or the scale looks reversed?	[14:54]
ricks99	?	[14:55]
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ricks99	it is interesting, because the google analytics for tiki.org shows a much flatter/less dramatic increase	[14:57]
Devilwct	conn srop -_- drop*	[15:00]
changi	lphuberdeau: yes it is	[15:01]
lphuberdeau	alexa probably has some extrapolation going on because their dataset is not as precise the stats are actually interesting in how the bounce rate dropped dramatically in october	[15:03]
ricks99	i'd love to be able to somehow "capture" all referrals form mozilla, too.	[15:06]
changi	just for fun: we now have stats from where visitors are from, and it's funny but doc.t.o is mostly seen by american people :)	[15:07]
ricks99	y. but i think that's mainly because of overall internet usage. USA is also #1 referral for dev.t.o.	[15:10]
changi	58%	[15:10]
ricks99	what's really neat is that localhost is the #3 referall to doc.t.o. this means that folks use the Tiki help sytem quite often	[15:11]
lphuberdeau	stranger on dev, because I don't feel that reflects the dev population	[15:11]
ricks99	(and Smarties is the #5 referral for doc.t.o. :-)	[15:11]
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JoernOtt	it also might reflect who is providing data to alexa in Germany people are quite sensible about privacy (see the whole google streetview fuzz) JoernOtt never trusts staistics unless he manipulated it himself	[15:14]
ricks99	as the saying goes, Lies, damned lies, and statistics	[15:15]
lphuberdeau	all models are wrong, some are useful	[15:16]
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chealer	polom	[15:53]
Devilwct	lol i made a presentation for my tiki users on how to use tiki lol	[15:54]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30470 10/trunk/templates/find.tpl: tikiwiki: [MRG/r30449] [FIX] Find date selector (List Articles): remove label spanning 3 input fields, causing clicks on any field to move focus to the first field, and the selectors to be largely unusable. tikiwiki: from r25031 tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30471 10/trunk/templates/find.tpl: tikiwiki: [MRG/r30458] [FIX] List articles and others: Ignored filter for excluded languages tikiwiki: from r14521 tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30472 10/trunk/templates/find.tpl: [MRG/r30459] [FIX] List articles date range filter not remembering values when showing results (from r25035) tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30473 10/trunk/templates/find.tpl: [MRG/r30460] [FIX] List articles: Clear filter not clearing date limits and article type	[15:57]
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CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30475 10/trunk/lib/ (6 files in 6 dirs): [MOD] Adding real content sources and adding support for deep category filtering	[16:34]
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luciash	sylvieg: salut	[17:19]
	sylvieg: when i use "Browser title display mode: Description" on Admin > General panel and have Description enabled on Admin > Wiki it used to display My Tiki \| My page description in the browser title until few days ago sylvieg: i think your commit broke that which is pretty essential to me	[17:24]
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luciash	sylvieg: it is necessary to fix or rollback - there is no other way to have page names like mysite.foo/my-page and show "My Tiki \| My Page" in the browser title bar (My Tiki \| my-page is ugly there) sylvieg: i hope u agree :)	[17:27]
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sylvieg	luciash: I suppose it has to be fixed ... because it was bugged before - tomany cases	[17:35]
Devilwct	hey guys a question i have a bit of a problem with map premissions in the file gall	[17:35]
luciash	sylvieg: in 6 pretty please :)	[17:36]
sylvieg	luciash: but was is your case?	[17:36]
luciash	what i wrote above	[17:36]
sylvieg	I do not understand from where come My TIki?	[17:36]
luciash	i need to use wiki page descriptions in browser title My Tiki is my site name for browsertitle	[17:37]
sylvieg	sylvieg must say that the breadcrumb code is dirty...	[17:38]
luciash	sylvieg: set on Admin > General panel Preference name: browsertitle sylvieg: i know it is dirty but we need to get the regression fixed then there is the separator ... \| set on Admin > L&F > last tab (Choices:) preference name: site_nav_seper then there goes the page name or description (if description is chosen on Admin > General) problem is that the breadcrumbs implementation is messy and not implemented on all Tiki sections and pages and only some (like wiki pages and Admin sections) use the description	[17:38]
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luciash	Devilwct: hi, so what's the question sylvieg: also now on Admin panels pages i have the brosertitle duplicated	[17:44]
Devilwct	luciash: nvm fixed it :P	[17:46]
luciash	sylvieg: moreover one of them is double encoded :-p	[17:51]
sylvieg	luciash - this last one is not my fault	[17:51]
luciash	sylvieg: i just changed to "My Tiki >" and i have there "My Tiki > \| My Tiki > : Administration : General" in my browser window title sylvieg: there should be just "My Tiki > \| Administration : General"	[17:53]
sylvieg	do you know who was the last one before me working on this - the option does not make sense to me...	[17:56]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30477 10/trunk/lib/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'mediawiki'	[17:56]
sylvieg	luciash: what are your option in admin general site location: before ans display mode: description - gives Browser_title \| page_description	[17:59]
luciash	sylvieg: as i told, under Site Identity fieldset: "Browser Title: My Tiki >", "Site title location: before", "Browser title display mode: Description"	[18:00]
sylvieg	ok I see a bug	[18:01]
Devilwct	a bug?	[18:02]
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ricks99	the new admin icon for performance is interesting... what is it?	[18:18]
Devilwct	for tweak tiki a bit	[18:19]
luciash	ricks99: i think it is a rocket :-p	[18:23]
ricks99	o. right looked like a stylized ink pen to me :(	[18:23]
luciash	hmm, maybe stopwatch would be better but couldn't find one in the jini iconset that rocket resembled me "rocket fast performance" so i used it	[18:24]
ricks99	k. i just didnt see a rocket	[18:27]
luciash	i understand	[18:27]
uSlacker	Good afternoon all. I had a good talk with Devilwct yeaterday about my new tiki 5.3 site problem is I can do literally everything except save an article after edititng it I have opened a ticket with 1and1 for a copy of the apache error log but it appears more difficult than I had hoped for today I created a blog and was able to successuly create an edit posts seems lie there is something truelt unique about the articles any ideas on how I might get at this?	[18:32]
chealer	I see the rocket (but after reading this...). not so obvious, but the one I didn't get is the blue W for Wiki uSlacker: why can't you save?	[18:36]
uSlacker	When I click save, the page goes off and never comes back. About 2-3 mins later I get a internal server error sometimes Tiki puts up the error page asking if I've configured the database correctly once it recovers, everything wil still work, except the atiki-edit_articles page	[18:37]
chealer	uSlacker: what else does the error page say?	[18:39]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30479 10/branches/6.x/lib/breadcrumblib.php: [FIX]browser title: missing description	[18:40]
uSlacker	chealer: let me regenerate it - 2 mins Problem is I don't always get an error - still waiting	[18:40]
sylvieg	luciash: does it fix your problem? on my local I have now browser_title \| page_descv	[18:43]
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uSlacker	chealer: the edit article page has "locked" the browser window on the tiki site but I never got an error clicking any other link on the menu does nothing	[18:48]
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chealer	uSlacker: I don't really understand bbl	[18:51]
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Devilwct	did i miss something >ping	[18:56]
Sug4r	pong	[18:58]
Devilwct	ah great :P	[18:58]
chealer	back	[19:08]
Devilwct	chealer: wb	[19:09]
chealer	uSlacker: when did the "lock" start exactly?	[19:09]
luciash	sylvieg: unfortunately no change after svn up	[19:09]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30480 10/branches/6.x/tiki-setup.php: [FIX] javascript_cdn: Sync jquery versions from CDN with bundled libs tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30481 10/branches/6.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] jqueryTiki.tooltips: test for feature before using it.	[19:13]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Modification en themes & look - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=15&comments_parentId=39313	[19:15]
luciash	sylvieg: from your commit it seems you try to display it in some loc="head" sylvieg: what is that ? sylvieg: i talk about browser title	[19:15]
sylvieg	in header.tpl therr is a loc=head	[19:16]
luciash	sylvieg: (browser window)	[19:16]
sylvieg	so to avoid too many changes, I prefer to limit	[19:16]
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FDucloux	hi there	[19:18]
luciash	sylvieg: limit ? ah, does "head" == browser window title (in window decorations) ?	[19:18]
Devilwct	hi	[19:18]
FDucloux	i've been using tikiwiki for a couple of weeks now, and it's awesome i recently tried to enable categories, trying to separate 2 different groups but now whenever a new page is created, it fails to save, saying that no category has been assigned..	[19:19]
lphuberdeau	something about mandatory categories has to be disabled	[19:22]
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luciash	FDucloux: i think you need correct perms for the group of user editing the page to be able to view the list of categories and categorize dem, search for category related perms on Admin > Permissions	[19:23]
FDucloux	thanks i'll try that :)	[19:23]
luciash	FDucloux: then Categories tab will appear on editing page	[19:23]
FDucloux	so.. that permission has to be assigned to the group, and not to the category itself, right?	[19:24]
	excelent!! it works now thanks very much!	[19:29]
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CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30482 10/branches/6.x/lib/breadcrumblib.php: [FIX]browser title: description and no breadcrumb must show description in title	[19:33]
	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30483 10/branches/6.x/lib/ajax/ajaxlib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] xajax: Remove duplicate js files included in ajax response (now correctly tikiwiki: included by headerlib) and key sort headerlib->jsfiles in same way as non-ajax tikiwiki: calls so same minified file is used and contents loads in the correct order.	[19:43]
Devilwct	question!!! do i also need to fix some translation errors? like wrong word choice?	[19:53]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Problem saving articles - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39314	[19:55]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30484 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30468 to 30483	[19:58]
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chealer	Devilwct: sorry, what do you mean, need to... for what?	[20:03]
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Devilwct	i am doing the dutch translation	[20:18]
chealer	Devilwct: if you want to help with the Dutch translation, both better/fixed translations and new translations are welcome I prefer seeing strings in English than incorrect translations	[20:21]
Devilwct	:O	[20:22]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30485 10/branches/proposals/5.x/tiki-list_articles.php: [bp/r28443] [FIX] Date range selector not taking into account Day and also not including the whole of "To" Day	[20:32]
uSlacker	chealer: I think I have a lead on my problem I moved the session information in the database and the problems seem to go away I assume this indicates there is another configuration issue - what it is I do not know I wrote it up in the forum: http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=6&comments_parentId=39314	[20:44]
	Devilwct I may have a lead on the issue we discussed yesterday	[20:51]
Devilwct	really?	[20:51]
uSlacker	I moved the session information into the database Since this site will be mostly view only, I'm hoping it wont be a problem	[20:52]
Devilwct	i am very uhm how do i say it in english couriage?	[20:56]
uSlacker	encouraged?	[20:57]
Devilwct	curious	[20:57]
uSlacker	yes I think there must be some other issue maybe a file permission but I've reset everything	[20:57]
Devilwct	that's also an option to 755 right?	[20:57]
uSlacker	correct Question - on the general settings page the Temporary directory - where is that under tiki directory?	[20:58]
Devilwct	one sec i will look if it is not a db temp i will find it :P ah lol its a temp dir	[21:00]
uSlacker	yes	[21:01]
Devilwct	called "Temp"	[21:01]
uSlacker	I have "temp" in that setting	[21:01]
Devilwct	yeah it is in the root folder	[21:02]
uSlacker	I asssume it is under /tiki/ ok I wonder if thats where the php sessions are stored	[21:02]
CIA-75	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30486 10/branches/6.x/styles/fivealive.css: [FIX] consistency: little adjustment to have the site logout popup aligned on simmilar position as the login popup	[21:02]
chealer	uSlacker: no, PHP stores sessions in /tmp by default. it's odd that a problem with session would only affect articles.	[21:04]
uSlacker	I agree but I've tried it several time loging out and closing the browser everytime without it saving an article always hangs on a shared host would the phpsessions save under my directory tree? I don't have access to /tmp	[21:04]
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Devilwct	and if you don't log out and close the browser and just close the browser sorry what does it then	[21:10]
uSlacker	I do that whe I change where the session information is stored. It causes session to end Just make sure its is a clean session once I have that, editing articles always woks with the session in the database	[21:11]
Devilwct	yes but you also have a cookie	[21:12]
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uSlacker	I'll have to test that	[21:14]
chealer	uSlacker: you'd have to check PHP configuration	[21:15]
uSlacker	chealer: - looking for what?	[21:16]
Devilwct	you have an option in your admin menu to view the php settings called "phpinfo"	[21:16]
uSlacker	got it session.cookie_path is set to /tiki-5.3 which is the directory I have tiki installed to	[21:17]
Devilwct	yeah that's the cookie and the session? session.save_path E:xampptmp E:tmp huh session.save_path E:xampptmp E:xampptmp	[21:18]
uSlacker	Oh! /tmp	[21:20]
Devilwct	yeah its a linux server so it should be /tmp i am running windows :P and you cannot access /tmp if it is a shared server so you are right	[21:20]
uSlacker	well, I can see it!	[21:22]
Devilwct	really? :\|	[21:22]
uSlacker	and there are session files in it	[21:22]
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Devilwct	is it a virtual server?	[21:23]
uSlacker	no, shared hosting. There are session files from other users	[21:24]
Devilwct	ok	[21:24]
uSlacker	Well, Devilwct, once again thanks for the help	[21:25]
Devilwct	no problem :O	[21:25]
uSlacker	I've got to head home to watch the election results	[21:25]
Devilwct	you are going to bed? ah lol sorry :P	[21:25]
uSlacker	it is only 5p here	[21:25]
Devilwct	lol :P sorry here it is 10.30 pm :P	[21:25]
uSlacker	so you are going to bed!	[21:26]
Devilwct	i am in bed :P	[21:26]
uSlacker	haa!	[21:26]
chealer	uSlacker: so, the sessions aren't in your directory tree. if they're in /tmp and you don't have access to /tmp, that would be a problem, but again, that should not affect only articles. I wouldn't think you'd be able to login	[21:26]
Devilwct	well you can try it out somewhere else uSlacker	[21:27]
uSlacker	it appears apache is writing all sess_ files there. for me and other users	[21:27]
Devilwct	you can even try it out on my server if you like (just to try it out) i am not hosting lol	[21:28]
uSlacker	I have another install and it works fine it is something specific to this install	[21:29]
Devilwct	on the same server?	[21:29]
uSlacker	thanks for the offer	[21:29]
Devilwct	lol no problem	[21:29]
uSlacker	no, my own linux svr	[21:29]
Devilwct	ah lol	[21:29]
uSlacker	I've been running tiki since 2003	[21:29]
Devilwct	:O nice	[21:30]
uSlacker	but I am a very light user	[21:30]
Devilwct	i sinds a week or 2 lol -_- since*	[21:30]
uSlacker	ok, I really have to go. g'night all	[21:30]
Devilwct	sorry dutch :P	[21:30]
uSlacker	and thanks	[21:30]
Devilwct	gnight and good luck maybe tomorrow!!	[21:30]
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resuni	how do i change my username?	[21:57]
Devilwct	here?	[21:59]
chealer	resuni: you don't, unless you have the user administration permission	[21:59]
resuni	i do i am the admin and i can't find where to change my user name i'd rather it be 'resuni' than 'admin'	[22:00]
Devilwct	you can make a new user with "resuni" as username and add the account to the group "admins"	[22:02]
resuni	ok but i can't change the name of the original admin account?	[22:02]
chealer	resuni: it seems you can't rename admin	[22:02]
resuni	ok thanks	[22:02]
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Devilwct	gtg guys good night ^^	[22:17]
chealer	good night Devilwct	[22:17]
Devilwct	maybe i'll be on later if i can't sleep thnx chealer byeeeee	[22:17]
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coaboa	hi usability/bug in tiki 6.0 branch: when using loginbar and submit empty login (not filling anyhting in) the login div appears somewhere else but not where intended (in case of fivealive on doc.t.o u have to click the "Log in" button in the popup). + good night all, back tomorrow ;-)	[22:49]
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