chealer: enjoy your dogfood!
err, meal
thanks for being here RobertPlummer, it was too long since we had botplay
:-)
chealer: what do you mean short memory with Tikiwiki|bot?
hi Caarrie|away
hi Caarrie|away which is nomore away
Caarrie|away: the bot says the welcome message twice
i think he has done that for a while, due to how the script is called
he has no "memory" for that script
Caarrie|away: maybe you could also update its name and the message a bit to say just Tiki instead of Tikiwiki
if possible, thanks :)
looks like i can update the name tiki|bot seems to be registered to tikiwiki|bot ;)
that better?
supa
question
yea?
ask
hehe, it doesn't react to the "bad" words
i am just testing the bot
;)
ah
hi, i have a question, can i ask ?
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
well they can be added somewhat easily
ok :)
can u update the message still please ?
hold on
i would use "Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you!"
ah, sorry, i missed the English IRC bit :)
so you want it to say what exactly?
Caarrie|away: i think you can copy paste that
you wanted the english part in?
that "English IRC" is not important... everyone sees it is english and that we are on IRC ;)
ok
what is tw?
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
you want that edited too?
tw.o
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.
the first one can be removed i guess
and please update the latter to this:
"tw.o or t.o is just a shortcut referring to the official website of the project: http://tiki.org"
Caarrie|away: thank you, anything else ?
Caarrie|away: i think mostly the only appearing was the one reacting on the "ask or question" sentence
Caarrie|away: ah, yep, add the alias t.o to tw.o there too
ok
thanks and sorry for disturbing you from enjoying your away state :)
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help [<plugin>] [<command>]
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Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
is that url still valid in the top reply?
would be better to use the new domain
tiki.org/TikiBot?
so just do s/tikiwiki.org/tiki.org/
yep
!rehash
and you can remove the following sentence there
i did already
fine
Caarrie|away: how are you doing btw ? you should give it a try to the fresh new Tiki release ;) or did you already ?
!help
help [<plugin>] [<command>]
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Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
no i have not tried it, i am not activly using tiki atm, and i have been busy with my new job
wb Tiki|bot :)
!help
help [<plugin>] [<command>]
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t.o
tw.o or t.o is just a shortcut referring to the official website of the project: http://tiki.org
tw.o
tw.o or t.o is just a shortcut referring to the official website of the project: http://tiki.org
what is tw.o
tw.o or t.o is just a shortcut referring to the official website of the project: http://tiki.org
I have a question
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may i ask a question
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i have a question
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great :)
Sug4r: hug Tiki|bot 
you dont have to ;)
i got some work around the house to do, see you around
see ya :)
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thanks Caarrie|away
welcome Tiki|bot
tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r30738 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/ (global.php javascript.php tiki.php wiki.php): [TYPO]Correct usage is JavaScript not javascript or Javascript
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r30739 10/branches/6.x/templates/tracker_item_field_value.tpl: [FIX] broken link due to missing closing quote for href
good morning all
Can I ask a question?
heh, I was expecting the bot to reply. ;-)
help
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thanks sylvieg
I was also testing chibaguy
!bugs
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3658 - - Update from 5.x to 6.0  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3658
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3659 - - PayPal Invoice Enhancements  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3659
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3660 - - Image will not work in Banner  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3660
pol, and indeed, om
is thre a page about hosting (/me gets upset with ovh)
tiki friendly hosts?
yes this one
http://tiki.org/tiki+friendly+hosts
thx you ricks99
you're welcome
was looking for hosting not host
one day tiki's search will improve
hosting / host will be a hudge step
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30740 10/branches/6.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] tooltips: Correct jQuery syntax on remove() call (exposed in update to jQuery 1.4.4 - thanks Geoff)
tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30741 10/branches/6.x/lib/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [bp/30477] adding support for Mediawiki XML file version 0.4
hi rodrigo_sampaio - thanks for the back-port - i was going to do that soon! (so will test now)
jonnyb_: :)
jonnyb_: it is a good idea to test because I haven't check what have changed from Mediawiki XML version 0.3 to 0.4 so I'm not sure if the importer is working flawless with version 0.4
will let you know... :P
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30742 10/mods/trunk/Packages/ (28 files): [NEW] Some theme package info files were never committed.
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3661 - - LDAP Auth bug  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3661
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30743 10/mods/trunk/themes/ (13 files in 11 dirs): [FIX] Missing or unneeded files in theme packages corrected.
hi all - sylvieg especially: i'm thinking of adding a jqui accordion to tiki-list_object_permissions.php because each section is so long, but does everyone else hate them? (like in tracker import/export)
why do you not use tab
.. it is beause tab and accordeon are too close
it's already inside tabs and they mess up when nested (don't they?)
I personally prefer accordeaon because I can see on the same page
there are tabs for the object types
but all tiki has been build with tab
i'm think we need something for the perm sections (i split the object and category types into different tables)
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3662 - - Timezone config has no effect  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3662
missing xavi - he was the first one to comment about the accordeon
hmm, i've done it but it doesn't look great - accordions are best when each section is about the same size
these aren't... :( might have to move on
coo, nice - jquery tabs work fine :)
is there an easy way (with javascript/jquery) to jump to another tab on a page?
can add &cookietab=# to the URL to open a page to a specific tab
hi JoernOtt - use &cookietab=3 on the url
hi again ricks99 :)
zap!
I already have the page loaded
I only want to activate the other tab
use the tikitabs function (in tiki-js.js)
thx
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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30744 10/branches/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [ENH] list object perms: Split object and category perms into separate tables. Added jQuery.ui accordion (tabs don't work when nested and accordion is better than nothing, imho).
tikiwiki: Fixed listing object name instead if id for fgals and other object.
I'd like to have an accordian wikiplugin, or an accordian argument for the tabs wikiplugin.
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Hey chealer, do you know if there is any other place to turn a wiki page into a slideshow other than the admin/wiki/feature?
polom by the way
repolom RobertPlummer 
hey jonnyb_
Do you know jonnyb_? - see question above
no, sorry - have you tried grep?
(or aptana file search)
I have a newly installed tiki-trunk, clean db.  I've copied a wikipage from my website to the environment, and it doesn't have the button at the bottom, but the main page does.
Yea, I looked... tiki-page_bar.tpl - {if $prefs.wiki_uses_slides eq 'y'}
i believe you need at least one -= section =- in order to make a wiki page slide show
There isn't anything that would mess with that, and yet on the one tiki page there is slides, and the other, not.
if the page has no -= section =- then it wont be a slide show. iirc
ah!
thanks ricks99
I could swear I was going mad,
np. also, anything placed before the first -= section =- will not appear in the slide show. i use that for notes, intro stuff, bio, etc. that I want to include in the page, but not as a slide
I've started bringing jQuery.s5 into Tiki fully integrated.
I look forward to testers.
Is the old slideshow redundant now?
the one that's been in tiki forever?
or did it get transformed?
@RobertPlummer: see docs for otgher items and hints http://doc.tiki.org/Slideshow+Admin
since S5....
Yea, it is going the way of the dodo.
:-)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30745 10/branches/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] admin object perms: Improve permission differences view, now on a separate tab.
tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30746 10/branches/6.x/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [NEW]ShareThis widget allowed in articles, in a similar way to what it was
tikiwiki: implemented in blogs. Right now it's still dependent on the setting in blogs for
tikiwiki: the icon to appear (help needed to make the button appear when blogs sharethis
tikiwiki: is off)
still unable to connect at tiki 3.8 installation to a mysql db on port 3307
any suggestions anyone?
is somebody able to replace a file in the fgal in tiki6?
sylvieg: had to do it twice but it seemed to work 2nd time (although the thumbnail didn't update)
give me 2mn and i'll check sylvie i'm excatly on this. :)
Hi, what is the simpliest (best) way to placed on a wiki page a background image (different for each page/could be gif animates ?) so user can insert text upon it ?
hi yonixxx. use css?
Sylvieg : i replace a file (pict) using the "replace" menu item, it upload, ask for a comment (successful) but after click on the green v, i'm back to the files list nothing changes, checked twices
the picture was changed the second time but not the thumbnail like jonnyb says
need to clear cache
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30747 10/branches/6.x/tiki-objectpermissions.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] admin object perms: Don't remove disabled feature perms when setting direct or category perms.
tikiwiki: Also do a check_authenticity() before removing direct perms.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30748 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-objectpermissions.tpl: [FIX] admin object perms: Improve layout of View Differences tab.
polom
jonnyb_: I forgot that the dynamic trackers example didn't even work properly yet
jonnyb_: is it a good idea to do the object perm layout change in 6?
hi chealer 
did you try it before these commits?
sylvieg: ^^
it was a horrid mess, i ran out of time to finish it for 6.0
jonnyb_: the 2 alternative fields are collectively mandatory, which I check with JavaScript when selecting the submit button. but even when they're not filled, the form is submitted.
sylvieg: it's lots better now - there was also a bad bug where it removed disabled feature's perms form the object, adding to the mess
jonnyb_: can you see something wrong in the code? I think return false; is supposed to do it.
should do - does it get executed on submit?
maybe it's bound to the wrong thing? (like not a form)
jonnyb_: it does, I get the alerts but it continues. again it's at http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/trunk/Dynamic+tracker+example
yes, i see
Hey Rick, ok CSS... i have some ideas like, setting a div with css class an defining the background image. It should work but may be there is a better way i miss.
http://api.jquery.com/submit/
says "Now when the form is submitted, the message is alerted. This happens prior to the actual submission, so we can cancel the submit action by calling .preventDefault() on the event object or by returning false from our handler."
the example is very similar, just no if
hmm, looks fine, doesn't it...
@yonixxx: that's what I would have done (div + css background-image)
jonnyb_: yes. I think I asked #jquery, probably didn't get an answer
chealer: try using the id of the form #editItemForm1 instead of the parent thing?
mrogers: you still stuck? (ask again maybe?)
oh yeah, I did (no answer)
"I'm trying to use .submit() with return false to prevent the action, but it's submitting anyway and I don't see any JavaScript error. what happens to the submit element's onclick handler if there's a submit function binded? does it execute? after, before?"
no, it submits too if I do it with Enter
probably after
ok Rick tks
it can contain an animated gif ? The idea is to have a couple of changing picture.
rodrigo_sampaio: got stuck in importer - i'm getting pages of stinky xajax deprecated errors :(
jonnyb_: doesn't help
yes, i am still stuck 
animated gif as background? i guess it is possible, but might negatively impact overall usabiltiy... not sure i would do it. just saying...
changed the default port in php.ini and still no luck
jonnyb_: xajax errors while running the importer? I have no idea why, the importer doesn't use xajax.
jonnyb_: I notice there's more JavaScript binded to the form
jonnyb_: what exactly is the error?
the page loads the xajax libs (they're a bit rubbish!)
i fully understand the problem, in that case it is to simulate text overflow on the side of the picture (picture is left representing wood tools, text hebrew is right)
jonnyb_: do you think the validate code could cause that?
ah, could be chealer 
in fact almost certainly
rodrigo_sampaio: would this be ok for you in changePhpSettings?       if (ini_get('error_reporting') === 0) error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED);
jonnyb_: this disable outputting E_DEPRECATED errors, right?
jonnyb_: no pb
yes, looks ok here
are you working on this in trunk? (don't want a conflict)
jonnyb_: I see no reason to care about E_DEPRECATED while running the importer
jonnyb_: yes, I'm working with Wordpress importer on trunk but not this week
ok, will commit in 6.x and merge (seems to work but the example train page looks a bit of a mess here)
jonnyb_: wikipedia article will very likely look a mess after importing. they use a lot the template syntax that is not supported by the importer and is parsed by tiki parser as wikiplugin
jonnyb_: and they have loads of links between different instances of mediawiki (for article translations) and this is not supported as well
jonnyb_: a good new feature for the importer is to add ~np~ ~/np~ for mediawiki template syntax
rodrigo_sampaio: ok, will have a look
jonnyb_: if you mean look this idea of adding ~np~ for mediawiki template syntax you should check Text_Wiki PEAR package
btw, the example page ends up like this for me: http://img.skitch.com/20101117-b5db21mb7tss9is7x1jy5s35u2.png
jonnyb_: you have to add a new rule for Text_Wiki_Mediawiki_Parser to parse the template syntax (if it doesn't exist already)
jonnyb_: disabling feature_jquery_validation does fix
so i'd need to commit to PEAR?
jonnyb_: and a new rule for Text_Wiki_Tiki_Render to render it with ~np~
jonnyb_: this would be ideal but it a bit burocratic
jonnyb_: you can simply to this in Tiki and let me know and I can commit to PEAR if you prefer
each parse or render rule is a class so it is easy to override it
jonnyb_: look at the source code for the Train page after importing it, if I remember correctly the content is still there
rodrigo_sampaio: thanks, that sounds good - i'll let you know if i get that far into it
jonnyb_: it is just that it is not being displayed and my guess is because of the {{}} that tiki is parsing as wikiplugin
jonnyb_: anyway my guess is that adding ~np~ to mediawiki template syntax will significantly improve the final result of importing Train page and other Wikipedia articles
looks to me like most of the page hasn't been imported (like anything about trains)
so the {{stuff}} are plugins, yes?
jonnyb_: where is the validation code coming from?
rodrigo_sampaio: it seems to have missed out all the main contents of the page - is that just on 6.x?
chealer: the tracker field definitions
it's a jquery lib - Nelson did it (it's quite good)
jonnyb_: but it is missing the content only when rendering it right? if you look at the tiki source of it the content is still there, no?
jonnyb_: I mean if you look the page source
no :(
it's missing the stuff from line 49 to half way through 266 (at the end of another plugin)
jonnyb_: Nelson did the integration of jquery.validate in Tiki?
yup
OK, I found it's coming from templates/tracker_validator.tpl
rodrigo_sampaio: happened on another page - misses out the majority of the page - maybe it needs this ~np~ around the plugins
jonnyb_: just a second that I will check
wonder if we should make a generic mediawiki plugin on tidy all this up?
jonnyb_: check testConvertMarkupParserWikipediaSamplePage() on TikiImporterWikiMediawikiTest.php
jonnyb_: the page content is preserved after parsing it
jonnyb_: so the problem apparently is somewhere else
jonnyb_: maybe there is some kind of filter on $tikilib->create_page() that is removing the content of the page?
could be a regexp failing somewhere maybe...
jonnyb_: but apparently not in the importer side, or at least not on Text_Wiki
jonnyb_: this is what the test is showing (apparently, I haven't checked)
i was comparing the page created in tiki with the xml imported
jonnyb_: in that template, what would you think about replacing me.submit(); with "return me.submit();" (or something like that)?
should I ask Nelson instead?
(plus doing the same in the actual submitHandler function
)
chealer: sounds about right, sorry i don't have time to investigate now
jonnyb_: check that http://pastebin.com/FdKeQ6Xm
jonnyb_: it is a test I wrote that is failling
jonnyb_: apparently the problem is indeed when parsing the content and converting it from mediawiki to tiki syntax
jonnyb_: the question now is to understand while this new test fail and testConvertMarkupParserWikipediaSamplePage() don't
jonnyb_: sorry, no more time to investigate that
rodrigo_sampaio: ok, thanks for looking - as oyu know i'm a bit lost in tests (i can run them but that's about it!)
tee hee - my error reporting fix has broken testChangePhpSettings :) so looks like i need to get more into them!
jonnyb_: :D
jonnyb_: should be very easy to fix
jonnyb_: next time we meet we should do a session about phpunit ;)
indeed :)
jonnyb_: marc told me that you are planning to stay in Barcelona in February
could be (hope so)
jonnyb_: I might go to Barcelona as well in February
great! seems like a good plan to me :)
jonnyb_: just an idea for the moment but I'm interested and trying to find a project to finance that
me2
jonnyb_: great!
jonnyb_: we keep in touch about that
jonnyb_: I see the longest TikiFest ever happening in Barcelona in February ;)
the mind boggles!
more like a TikiRetreat?
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30749 10/branches/6.x/lib/ (importer/tikiimporter.php test/importer/TikiImporterTest.php): [FIX] importer: Change error_reporting to E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED as xajax generates lots of deprecated errors that can be ignored (and fix test to suit - thanks rodrigo)
jonnyb_: :)
rodrigo_sampaio: sorry - more importer stuff - looks like there are conflicts between 6.x and trunk - is there any reason why they need to be different? (can't i just copy all the files from trunk to 6.x?)
jonnyb_: I think it is a bad idea to copy all the files from trunk to 6.x because of the new wordpress importer
jonnyb_: but on the other hand they don't need to be different
ah, ok - that's a shame
i just looks like there are quite a few improvements in trunk that aren't in 6 (better comments and syntax etc)
just tikiimporter.php and tikiimporter_wiki_mediawiki.php
jonnyb_: yes this is true
jonnyb_: i think it is safe to copy tikiimporter.php and tikiimporter_wiki_mediawiki.php from trunk to 6.x
jonnyb_: but I can't be sure and I can't check, sorry
jonnyb_: I'm not against copying them from trunk to 6.x
ok, i'll rollback this merge and try - no probs, i just wanted to check there weren't any obscure dependencies on trunk-only features
jonnyb_: not for the moment
thx
jonnyb_: I'm not sure if I will have enough time but I would like to refactor the tiki importer interface
jonnyb_: but this is for the future anyway
jonnyb_: would be nice to have the importer running with a progress bar or something like that
yes indeedy (there's always more to do!)
did anyone notice firebug telling me there is a syntax error with \n within html when in tiki-editpage?
hi nkoth. I don't think so
I'm not sure if it is anything to be concernde about though, but baffling
chealer:: have firebug on then edit a page, you will see "1 Error" in the bar, if you check it it gives yout he syntax error
nkoth: in which branch?
6x
for that matter, for some reason I have a problem with the wiki and plugin help, after clicking on the tab, the div becomes hidden and stays hidden so I see no help . I wonder what happened
but maybe that is a css issue
let me try another 6x
nkoth: no
tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30750 10/branches/6.x/lang/de/language.php: German translations done on i18n.tiki.org
might be form the jquery update to 1.4.4
nkoth: no js errors here in safari or firefox in wiki or wysiwyg
it wiki (not wysiwyg)... svn udateing now
thanks
might be js in browser cache thing too
jonnyb_: could you check http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/trunk/Dynamic+tracker+example again? I replaced me.submit(); with alert(me.submit()); expecting to get a false when validation fails, but I get undefined instead.
jonnyb_: I must be poor in JavaScript. the outer alert displays before the inner one. what am I missing?
jonnyb_, polom again.
My internet was out.
nesty
also nasty
hi RobertPlummer. good thing ricks99 could help you earlier, I have no idea about slides
I would have eventually found it, but that was a real time saver.
chealer: me.submit() will submit the form - are you sure that's what you want in the alert?
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jonnyb_: no it's not but I'm doing a test. return me.submit(); didn't help (it still submitted when it was invalid)
I'm adding "!" or "!!" to determine if a wiki page is in-fact ready for slides... I need a bit of help with the regex.....  THis doesn't work "/!|!!/", what am I doing wrong? 
but submit() will submit the form as well, i think
jonnyb/chealer, if I disable xajax the problem goes away (this is using the normal editor)
nkoth: i have xajax on here and no error showing up
jonnyb_: I think it depends on what's returned. and it returns false in my tests
ahmaybe there is a broken plugin description in the help or something?
I have been adding plugins
nkoth: same as jonnyb_
me.submit() may run a function in the validator lib, have a look in there to see what it does?
perhaps something like: "![^=]|!![^=]"
jonnyb_: I don't think so. doing submit() on the form is shown in http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Validation/validate#options
in the submitHandler section
"Use submitHandler to process something and then using the default submit."
there you go, it's my plugin
it's not using the return value, but it seems it's just calling the normal submit handler
I played witht eh session in tiki and now I can not log-in $_REQUEST is empty
has somebody an idea?
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30751 10/trunk/ (25 files in 9 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30732 to 30749
tikiwiki: (Manually fixed changes in lib/importer/tikiimporter.php and tikiimporter_wiki_mediawiki.php)
rodrigo_sampaio: can you have a quick look at r30751 - a change came over for TikiImporterWikiMediawikiTest.php - was that one of yours? (wasn't me)
jonnyb_: using the debugger is a good idea though... but I don't know how with these handlers
Firebug doesn't show me a script for the function
chealer: sometimes it's easiest to add a temporary debugger; statement in the file
maybe it's the DOM submit() then
jonnyb_: last time I changed TikiImporterWikiMediawikiTest.php was early this morning when backporting the support for Mediawiki XML version 0.4
rodrigo_sampaio: seems there was a small difference, no conflict so i let it through
sylvieg: you mean the tiki session name? not sure. Last time I used that was in tiki 2 and I remember it worked then
jonnyb_: I was able to debug. but it goes inside jQuery... you're suggesting to dig into that?
I tried to change the session lifetime and no more $_REQUEST
chealer: no, probably not (it's scary in there!)
jonnyb_: ah, I see, you're right, it's not doing what I thought. it's calling the normal jQuery submit after the submitHandler
tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30752 10/trunk/lib/test/importer/TikiImporterWikiMediawikiTest.php: removing wrong lines added by automatic merge
jonnyb_: should be ok now with 30752
thanks rodrigo_sampaio - thought it seemed odd
welcome
rodrigo_sampaio: am i right in thinking you changed the importOptions from a function in 6.x to a static var in trunk? ok to do in 6.x too you think?
(trying it anyway ;) )
sorry - the other way round - function on trunk
jonnyb_: I did this to make importOptions strings translatable
jonnyb_: as static var was not possible to call tra() when declaring the strings
jonnyb_: ok to backport that to 6.x
super
sylvieg : have you checked teh cookie in the browser for hints?
I deleted my cookie
what is strange is that I can enter with  tiki-login.php?user=admin&pass=xxxx
btu does it "last"? and you get a new cookie? actually the session lifetime set session.gc_maxlifetime
sylvieg: hum, playing with session lifetime shouldn't change $_REQUEST
yes but I have nothing in tiki_preferences
$prefs['session_lifetime']
jonnyb_: so if it's the DOM submit(), how can I make a difference between that and...what, jQuery submit() ?
sylvieg: tiki_preferences is empty?
sylvieg: I would restart apache 
is not empty but there is no session% prefs
chealer: there probably isn't one, i was guessing (sorry not enough brain-bandwidth to go round)
got it to work on port 3307 by editing php.ini to set default port and using mysql rather than mysqli
mrogers - nice can you create a wiki page on doc.tiki.org?
nkoth: could you join the discussion I'm having with Jonny? Jonny said you added jQuery validate, and that's breaking the normal behavior of the normal submit handler.
nkoth: when the handler returns false, the form is still submitted
related: http://api.jquery.com/submit/
in trackers you mean?
nkoth: yes, I'm doing a pretty tracker at http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/6.x/tiki-index.php?page=Dynamic+tracker+example
i can't login
nkoth: I put some custom JavaScript which adds a submit handler making sure 1 of 2 fields are filled
nkoth: sorry, see http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/trunk/Dynamic+tracker+example
now what do I do?
nkoth: so if you just click on "Save", you'll see an error message, but the form will be submitted anyway
so this problem occurs only because you write your own jquery right? I mean standard tiki doesn't "see" this problem?
let me think
so maybe your .submit returns false
and then it goes to my validator after that?
nkoth: yes. though it is standard Tiki, I'm just adding JS with the JQ plugin
nkoth: with tests I discovered that the normal submit handler is run after the validator
nkoth: and not during process_submit(), as I thought was supposed to happen with "me.submit();"
nkoth: I'm looking at templates/tracker_validator.tpl BTW
Ok guys, I've got a very un-polished, working jQuery.s5 template engine that REPLACES the current slide system.  Any objects to me committing to trunk?
RobertPlummer: not from me
rodrigo_sampaio: what does "Redes de ensino" mean? seems to be in the tests in trunk - is that $lang dependant?
chealer: did you test/identify what is it that submit?
is it the me.submit() inside process_submit? comment that out and see
ricks99, after I commit, do you think you could play with it a bit after I commit?
jonnyb_: it is not $lang dependant
jonnyb_: it is just that I used portuguese Wikipedia files for the mediawiki importer tests
:)
new slide show? sure, i'll take a look at it later this afternoon
does it require jq?
nkoth: huuuum
jonnyb_: "redes de ensino" is just the title of a wikipedia article. means "teaching network" or something like that
ah, ok - was just wondering (trying to find my way around)
nkoth: strange, if I comment me.submit(), it doesn't submit. BUT, if it's not commented, it only submits after finishing the function. I put an alert() after
nkoth: thanks, that's definitely a helpful finding
nkoth: submitHandler is documented here: http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Validation/validate#options
chealer
looks like you have a form within the main form
wait let be see
oh no
I copied the database on my local and I can log in - I rebooted apache on the server and I can not log -in - very strange
chealer: I believe the $("#editItemForm1").submit( in your js might conflict with me.submit in strange way
nkoth: well, what is the exact role of me.submit(); ?
this.currentForm.submit()
not sue.maybe it is better to make it be return true; ?
replace me.submit() with return true and see if it works
nkoth: OK...done, now it doesn't submit, but also when it should submit
sylvieg or anyone else: for translation purposes we should have {tr}Create Page:{/tr} and not {tr}Create Page{/tr}: right?
the : inside
rodrigo_sampaio: yes
wah, 777 people in #jquery!
chealer, sylvieg: thanks
nkoth: chealer: thx for help I found it I did a typo in .htaccess php_value post_max_size         "i20M"
and I was enable to log in
need to be careful when changing from emacs et vi
sylvieg: hehehe
well, I stil haven't solve my pugin help problem (it's not my plugin apparently) - problem only in firefox ...
strange though - if it's xajax it should affect safari too
sylvieg: so Apache just warned at startup and assumed that meant 0?
yes 
because I found nothing in error_log
chealer: this is what I use http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Validation/validate
so processSubmit is the submitHandler. meaning it is what is called when the form is valid
sylvieg: nothing in error_log... disappointing
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30753 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] plugins: Required argument for plugin_enabled()
nkoth: aha...
so basically, when you're using validate, the return value of the normal submit handler is ignored? and we can't change that?
I would have thought that me.submit would be subject to your handler
it would come after, no?
nkoth: well it seems the normal handler is run after submitHandler, based on the test alerts I put earlier...
nkoth: I put it back if you want to check
you get "AFTER me.submit", THEN "URL is required."
it *seems* me.submit; just *queues* a normal submit, and does it after calling the normal submit handler
I have trouble finding documentation on how several handlers for the same event mix
why not you just turn off jquery validate then (since you are not using it)
nkoth: I could, but my goal is to put that example on doc.tiki.org, so I'd have to do it there too.
it seems jquery.validate is enabled by default
ok, according to the validate docs once I put a submitHandler it replaces the default submit
does my commit logs say why I needed a submitHandler?
It seems like t serves a purpose in making sure the validation is indeed complete
chealer : what you can do is maybe
remove "submitHandler: function(){process_submit(this.currentForm);}" but make t optional to remove it
see if it works
nkoth: that works, but you're suggesting to add a preference for that?
well - it will have to be at the tracker level or something because you would only want it when you want to allow a custom .submit handler
I am trying to think of a way to do that
ok - that part s smarty generated
make it a tracker plugin option
s/tracker/trackerlist
nkoth: oh, there's a setTimeout there
could that explain the weirdness?
no, 
the settime out is to basically try agin in 500 ms if there is still pending request
I am trying to rmember whi this submitHandler is needed
right, setTimeout() is not the problem
what is a pending request?
I think the issue I had was that validate is called sometimes when moving from field to field, that part does not need the submit handler
but then I wanted to validate the form again when the person hit sumbit
nkoth: it's jonnyb_ who added the submitHandler: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=28327
ok, maybe that's why I don't remember the reason for it then
"Add JS to delay form submission until all validation requests have been served so it saves properly."
:-)
but it seems to serve a function
nkoth: but what is a validation request (I only red on jquery.validate a bit)
re
the validation rules in the doc, the stuff in my validation js var are the requests
yes, i added that bit because if you changed a validating field and then clicked immediately on submit it ignored the submit click and just validated the field
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30754 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [NEW]actionlog: record categorize or ucategorize of wiki page
re jonnyb_. I don't really understand what you're saying. what does it mean to validate a validating field?
some of them use ajax and can take a long time, which blocks the request to save the form
ah
I'm asking #jquery
why not switch the validation off for fields you want to do custom validation on?
chealer: did you try turning the feature off?
jonnyb_ : the problem chealer is facing now is due to the submitHandler running parallel with the default submitHandler and therefore is not subject to his custom validation in his .submit handler he added
jonnyb_: I don't think validation on fields is the problem. we just don't understand how the different submit handlers mix well enough to make both work together
and the form gets submitted anyway
jonnyb_: yes, turning jquery.validate off works around
i don't think you'll be able to use both at the same time
jonnyb_: the current behavior shows both are already run. the problem is we can't get the normal jQuery handler to stop the form submission
I'm cleaning this page http://doc.tiki.org/Interface+translation+2. Should we keep documentation for unsupported Tiki versions? In this page there is documentation for Tiki < 2.0 that is not valid anymore so I think this should be removed. Sounds good?
-1 to actually removing anything from doc. instead, use {TAB} to identifiy specific versions
ricks99: ok, you have an example of a page that use {TAB} on doc?
http://doc.tiki.org/Upgrade#Upgrade_your_Theme
actually, i think that uses VERSION....
ricks99: i will check
thanks
here is a TABS example: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginFancyTable
ricks99: which one is preferred TABS or VERSION?
depends.....
with VERSION, you can set a specific version for an entire strcuture (if there version is named the same)....
but with TABS, the entire page (all version) are loaded at once, so it is much less tiki-intesive to switch
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30756 10/branches/6.x/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [bp/r30477, r30555, r30666][FIX] importer: Synchronise changes from trunk to mediawiki importer. Files now identical except for one wordpress importer test.
rodrigo_sampaio: time for a little more on importer? (sorry, lost)
jonnyb_: how can I help you?
think i've worked out how it's missing out most of the middle of pages - looks like a greedy regexp on html comments
it removes everything from the first <!-- to the last -->
instead of the next one - but i can't work out where this happens
been stepping through it for a few hours but none the wiser ;)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30757 10/trunk/ (. lang/de/language.php lib/tikilib.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30749 to 30756
jonnyb_: just give me a few minutes to finish what I'm doing and I will check this issue with the html comments
thanks, no pressure :)
according to what I've researched - these doctype syntax error \n are due to some external js file not loadable
aha, i've seen a few of those nkoth 
how do I hunt this down?
i didn't even get that far
i suppose double checking all the js externals for a start?
 New Forum Posts: Is there a tiki 6 test site? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=39531
jonnyb_: I will check it now. You found any clue any when calling TikiImporter_Wiki_Mediawiki::convertMarkup() directly the conversion works but not when using the importer?
rodrigo_sampaio: no, couldn't work out how to do that
i'm looing at lib/pear/Text/Wiki/Parse/Mediawiki/Comment.php - the regexp on line 42 looks suspect to me
it uses U flag for ungreedy, but then uses .*? which (afaik) cancels out the ungreediness
it's probably some js that is trying to include aome other js that is not there/readable
rodrigo_sampaio: removing the ? seems to make it work better for me
jonnyb_: I think you found the problem
yay! :) (wonder if there are more?)
jonnyb_: I just prefer removing the U instead of ?, ? is more natural to me
i agree
jonnyb_: there might be more problems like that :(
jonnyb_: the package Text_Wiki is not used very often
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3663 - - WikiWords don't work  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3663
jonnyb_: I just don't understand why this problem only happens when running the tiki importer and not when calling convertMarkup() directly...
jonnyb_: by looking at the regex it is clear that the bug exist, but I can't reproduce it using Text_Wiki directly
seems to fix it for me importing real mediawiki pages - as i said i got lost inside the importer (too clever for me :) )
nkoth: with the Firebug network tab?
the error is in the script tab
I think it may be server dependent
nkoth: I meant could you hunt down which file is not loadable using the Firebug network tab?
no - that's not what I mean
well, all there is loadable
so maybe there is a blank src or something
i see that i have to register to make a doc at doc.tiki.org.  i'll do that.
my tikiwiki 3.8 says "Plugin disabled toc" but it is not clear to me how to enable it
mrogers: in admin plugins i think (was merged into admin textarea at some point)
interesting, on this other site the edit button ontop a qiki page does not use sjax to load the editor
more recent versions let you enable in place ;)
nkoth: it only uses ajax for wiki pages (couldn't get it to work with ckeditor)
oh right, ok I switch
jonnyb_ - thanks
ok, i'm off oot - more tomorrow
lphuberdeau: you know what is the difference between "Simple Plugin Arguments" and "Composed Plugin Arguments" on Plugin Alias admin page? I think I understand the first but I don't understand the second one.
simple arguments essentially allow you to take a direct plugin and pass it through to the underlying implementation
composed arguments allow you to take multiple input values and merge them together into a single argument, or add more values around it... say you want to build a URL or something
lphuberdeau: thanks, that is what I thought but the interface for composed arguments is a bit raw :P
guess who did it
lphuberdeau: :)
ok, chealer I have reproduced my problem.
maybe it's jsut a bug then. I will workaround it
lphuberdeau: do you have an example (maybe on profiles.tw.o) using composed arguments?
can't really say, did that so long ago, I don't remember so much
but basically, you need to name values and you can include them in the pattern field using %name?
%name%
lphuberdeau: ok, I'm done for today but will resume this tomorrow. thanks
good luck ;)
you might want to try creating the aliases from profiles directly... that's really the intended way
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r30758 10/branches/6.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.ajax_href.php: [FIX] Workaround problem where xajax loading of editor within tiki-index leads to plugin help breaking, i.e. no content shown for plugin help
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r30759 10/branches/6.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.ajax_href.php: [FIX] Workaround problem where xajax loading of editor within tiki-index leads to plugin help breaking, i.e. no content shown for plugin help (sorry, bracket problem in prev commit)
hi
can I ask something?
how can I make Tiki to direct to different Discussion Forums depending on the wiki. I know now that it directs always to the same Discussion (the Default on)
but is needed for some Wikis to directo to a different Disc Forum than the default one
hi Rodnet, you can try using Perspectives when you categorize the wiki pages
shall I create a different Perspective to each Wiki that goes to a particular Discussion?
tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r30760 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/ (feature.php global.php url.php): [TYPO]Assorted corrections for magic admin
Rodnet: yes, then you will be able to choose the forum for the discussion per the category/perspective imho
ok, I understant. Isn´t there a module or something that can temporary override the link in the Button "Discussion" to go to the propper one?
Rodnet: you could maybe also use custom jQuery code
Rodnet: or custom "button link" above the page for linking to the discussions forum
Rodnet: no prepared module or wikiplugin exists for this afaik
I´m not an expert on Jquery, can you point me to an example?
http://api.jquery.com/replaceWith/
Ok. Thaks very much Luciash, you are very kind. Will have a look to it
you can use the jQuery code on the wiki page using the JQ wikiplugin
I see now
I should know the element that should be replaced with the new value
do you know which is? Or I should try to find out
try
u can use inspect element of your right click menu if u have chrome or firefox firebug addon
ok, good. I will post the solution soon in the forums if works
Hello, anyone in here online?
nicname_:  always :)
i need a wiki system, it would be available at domain.com/internal/wiki, the directory /internal , and all subdirectorys are protectet by a ldap auth, so the user is allready authenticated when he gets to domain.com/internal/wiki and i dont want the user to enter his credentials again when he wants to change something in the wiki, any idea how to realise this wiki tiki ?
with tiki?
nicname_: tiki supports ldap auth
jes but then the user has to enter his login twice, the first time when he enters domain.com/internal and the second time when he enters domain.com/internal/wiki
nicname_: sorry, i don't know how ldap works exactly
no, what i want is, that tiki uses the allready existing authentication by the webserver 
so apache authenticates the user and tiki sees that the user is authenticated 
can someone please give me a general idea of how workspaces are different than perspectives?
I'm having trouble finding a concise definition
a workspace is a use case - there is technically not really  a workspace feature. Perspectives, combined with other features such as category jailroots are the features that enable workspaces
so its a general term that just describes the work area a person is in based on what they've clicked on, who they are, etc.?  
As opposed to a separate page or something?
yes, workspaces is a rather general term
describing a work area that could consist of a certain way it looks, certain permissions that exist in that state, and things presented, etc..
I want to create a wiki that begins with a site for all the colleges in a Missouri, from which you select your college, and then select your campus and then your club.  Would each of the different colleges just have their own workspace and then each campus would have their own workspace, etc?
as opposed to making a totally separate page?  I'm guessing perspectives and jailroot features would bring them to their workspace based on them selecting their college or their campus?
possibly , but you have to consider what is your reason for dividing up the wiki into multiple workspaces to begin with. Is it to prevent one person from seeing the other group's things? Is it to present a different screen layout? Is it to limit the amount of things a person is seeing while in a particular workspace so that he is not information overloaded but he can still switch between workspaces?
not to limit, but just so that each level can have their own calendar, their own forums, their own file galleries, etc.
Sounds like you need to create some categories
some perspectives
and then configure each of the different perspectives to have different jailroot
so you would expose people to the opportunity to collaborate with any of the other colleges in missouri by going to the main missouri page.  Then they'd go to their college page and see any activities going on between all the campuses, then they'd go to their campus and their club page to collaborate with their club members
each perspective would have also it's own different home page
just so their exposed to events, calendars, etc that are shared on a higher level before navigating down to their level
so that when you switch to it, the user sees that home page
ok
and while they are in that perspective they are exposed only to things in the category jail root of that perspective
really, it'd be the same .php file, but a different theme kind of thing?
basically tiki has a lot of preferences right?
yes
for each perspective you can have a different "setup" of preferences
ok
so the possibilities are really up to your imagination
the UI is at tiki-edit_perspectives.php
you search for a pref, drag it into the perspective and configure it (basically overriding the global value) for that specific perspective
I tried going to www.mydomain.org/tiki-edit_perspectives.php and it gave me a 404
try without the 's' it's singular
So say for instance I go to Missouri's website.  I'd be at the tiki-index.php.  Then I'd select my local college.  Are you saying at that point, I could be at my college's "site" but without ever leaving tiki-index.php?  I'd just be changing everything based on jailroot and persepective settings?
right
the link to switch perspectives is tiki-switch_perspective.php?perspective=3 to switch to perspective 3
yes, without the S worked, very nice.  thanks a lot.
So that could very well be how you "goto" to the college's "site" which is perspective 3
And essentially what i've done by selecting my college's "site" is to select a different workspace?
technically speaking, you switch to a different perspective
which yeah I suppose it sounds synonymous with workspaces, but the point is that a perspective could be used for something as simple as say, having a different page header and not necessarily to the extent of creating workspaces which is what you are doing.
ok, that makes sense.
and what exactly is a jailroot?
it is a pref (and so you can configure it globally or for any specific perspective)
Thank you very much for helping me understand this, btw.  I plan on creating a youtube video and stuff once I know everything well enough to add to the documentation
Basically it is a list of category IDs . If you set it to e..g 2, 3, and 5, then users can only see/search for/are exposed to items that are in categories 2, 3, and 5
so kind of like bulk-processing for perspectives?
not exactly.
so you don't have to change a whole lot of perspectives to achieve what you can with categories?
well, the point is that categories are just that, you put things in them and you acan set permission for them
by setting a category jailroot for a perspective, say the college's perspective
you are basically saying that "while a user is in the college's 'site' he is exposed only to things inside those categories specified in that jailroot
it could just be one category, or it could be many categories - it's up to you
ok, I think I understand.  Thanks very much for all your explanations.  I'm very excited about knowing what to do next now.
You wouldn't know how to use the username pattern utility would you?
I want to constrict any logins to have .edu only
if you could perhaps cut and paste this conversation into the wiki page where you expected this info to be in the first place on doc.tiki.org, it could be useful for now, until you have developed more fancy documentation liek that youtube video you talked about
Ok, I will definitely do that.  
I'm no familiar with the username pattern utility (is it a regular expression?)
I mean: I'm guessing perhaps it expects a perl regular expression
Can't find where it is in the admin features right now, but you can constrict the login to something based on a pattern you describe. 
IT shows a bunch of characters like #$%^&?/@.5T5
you could perhaps try using the preferences search and search for some likely words like "pattern"
and you change the characters to define the pattern you want to restrict the login to
Yes, admin/login is where its at
Here is what is says:  "Username Pattern    /^[ '\-_a-zA-Z0-9@\.]*$/"
and you can change those characters somehow to define a pattern
rigt - it looks like a perl regular expression to me
I'm guessing any number or letter, @ symbol, . , and any number or letter
you can google that or read wikipedia about it - that pattern you see there at the moment is basicall any number of dashes, underscores, letters, numbers, @ or periods