[00:00] <luciash> Trebly: it is for devs purposes to indicate in the generated source where included (nested) tpl starts and ends
[00:01] <Gergely> luciash: yeah, it is fine. it also works, however smarty calls my plugin twice: once without data and once with the data
[00:03] <luciash> ah, no idea how the internals work... check lib/smarty_tiki/block.wikiplugin.php
[00:03] <Gergely> so if the data could be passed in between the first bracelets, it would be a work-around
[00:03] <Gergely> yes. just checking.
[00:05] <Gergely> it looks ok.
[00:06] <Gergely> and there is no other smarty file that is called wikiplugin
[00:15] <Gergely> the block.wikiplugin.php is also called twice
[00:26] <Tiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3746 - - smarty_tiki/block.wikiplugin.php is called twice upon a \{wikiplugin _name="blah" ...\}..\{/wikiplugin\} in a tpl  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3746
[00:27] <Gergely> the same line of the template cache is called twice, so it looks to be a smarty issue
[00:28] <Gergely> although I am not 100% that the cache has correct content
[00:29] <Gergely> eod. bye!
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[00:39] <Trebly> <jonnyb_> or Who works on ckeditor. 
[00:39] <Trebly> Thank's for yesterday and sorry for the time spent. The problem remains curious and I have to take care. Today,
[00:39] <Trebly> It seems to me that you worked a lot on ckeditor 
[00:39] <Trebly> 1-  Something is not clear for me : how to introduce plugins into the wysiwyg ? What is programmed or how, where ?
[00:39] <Trebly> 2- May be something known and somebody working on,  when a text  (copied from a simple text) the "source" button shows the source, but without changing anything you don't get back the text content (original breaks of lines are deleted - the problem of the tikiwiki format for split of lines, but the break into the original wysiwyg should not be deleted by the change of editor why not...
[00:39] <Trebly> ...translate into tiki line breaks that are html <br />  should be introduce before copying into the "source"). If you introduce manually the break are shown but the second time they are crashed again.
[00:39] <Trebly> 3- May be something known and somebody working on :  if into the text copied they are keywords like BUG they become links [BUG] they should not. So if the [] are suppressed they will not reaper.
[00:39] <Trebly> Do I create BUG trackers ? for these points ? 
[00:41] <jonnyb> hi Trebly - try the help/plugins popup (near top right on the toolbar)
[00:43] <jonnyb> off now - nn
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[00:55] <Trebly> <luciash< I am developing several enhancements and tracking bugs, so I know well the use of the option. My question must be interpreted into the development context.
[00:55] <Trebly> More there was a bug into the treatment of the strings which introduces a CR into the subject line, this was breaking the normal flow of the mail and the end of the mail was displayed as text...
[00:55] <Trebly> So I develop a new version which :
[00:55] <Trebly> 1- Puts the <!-- TPL.....> as a header ofr the text and <!-- /TPL ... > as a footer.
[00:55] <Trebly> 2- Suppress for the mails the same into the subject line of the mail which is completely without interest in my opinion and against the object of the feature
[00:55] <Trebly> 3- A possibility is farther to introduce a tikitag with this information not only for test but always (or optionally) into the mail header RFC5322 and MIME without affecting the display but very useful to debug (when the message has errors of content or trnaslation, editing the source shows the TPL name). This is my proposal. I can develop and offer a these separate options : tikitest for...
[00:55] <Trebly> ...HTML sources, tikitest for mails with three values "display" or "hidden" or "none".
[00:58] <luciash> good ideas
[00:59] <luciash> i thought you're not aware where it comes from but now i see you want to enhance the feature, thanks
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[03:29] <dabright> Can anyone point me to an example of how to upload a new version of a file (in a file gallery) using mechanize or curl?
[03:40] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r31962 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/ (140 files): [bp/r31478][FIX] Take off tra for documentation page name and clean up plugin descriptions
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[04:04] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r31964 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/ (wikiplugin_banner.php wikiplugin_calendar.php): [bp/r31480] Don't restrict description to wiki pages (thanks chealer)
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[06:28] <chibaguy> polom
[06:28] <chibaguy> congratulations, jonnyb, on the xajax_removal -> trunk merge. :-)
[06:35] <chibaguy> I updated a Tiki 4 site to trunk, and everything went smoothly.
[06:36] <chibaguy> About the login module, though, I think we need a new "siteheader_login" module (or similar name) that retains the smaller layout of the Tiki 6 site header login form.
[06:37] <chibaguy> Also a "siteheader_login_popup" module, to keep the Fivealive-style popup.
[06:37] <chealer> hi chibaguy. jonnyb is not here right now, so he will miss both your congratulations and complaints :-)
[06:37] <chibaguy> Yeah, I know. I assume he reads the logs.
[06:37] <chibaguy> hi chealer
[06:38] <chealer> chibaguy: yes, that may be a good idea today :-)
[06:38] <chibaguy> Or, if he doesn't, I guess this is my note-to-self ;-).
[06:40] <chibaguy> well, the new module stuff is pretty neat, and there's still lots of time to work out the smaller details.
[06:48] <chibaguy> bbl
[06:52] <chealer> tiki.org (community) seems down
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[08:02] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r31967 10/branches/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: a few more strings transalted (mainly calendar export and recurrence)
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[08:17] <Beestje> Hello all!
[08:17] <Beestje> long time since i've been here! Congrats on all the progress that you made on tikiwiki!
[08:19] <Beestje> I've got a really dumb Q : I'm still running 3.3 (yeah, I know...) but now I have time to update my server. But want to get rid of all the errors before doing so.
[08:20] <Beestje> Because everything was working fine, never really looked into the error.log file... but every request seems to trigger a reference to /styles/transitions/1.9to3.3.css which doesn't exist.
[08:21] <Beestje> shoud I just rename the 1.9to3.0.css which is contained in the 3.3 tar.gz install package to 1.9to3.3.css?
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[08:37] <Beestje> nevermind, I fixed it ;-)
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[09:01] <chibaguy> polomagain
[09:05] <luciash> repolom
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[11:17] <jonnyb_> Pol.om
[11:18] <jonnyb_> hey chibaguy - how are the themes looking after my messin'? (bit sore?)
[11:26] <chibaguy> hi jonnyb
[11:26] <chibaguy> mostly, not too bad.
[11:27] <chibaguy> I was playing with making a "tiki-top" module that contains both the menu and the search form, at the right side. Most of the current themes have this arrangement.
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[12:15] <jonnyb_> sorry chibaguy - just drowned in emails!
[12:16] <jonnyb_> you still about? i think making one big module for the top is a definite step backwards - it can all be done with modules/profiles
[12:17] <jonnyb_> i've got the fixed_width feature working better locally - so you can type the width you want into look&feel - just tidying up
[12:20] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31968 10/trunk/_htaccess: [ENH] htaccess: Add userinfo rewrite rule to edit user tracker item
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[12:32] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31969 10/trunk/ (10 files in 7 dirs): [ENH] layout: Add pref for fixed width width and move some classes around to work with new top and bottom module zones. Adapt fivealive to suit.
[12:44] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31970 10/trunk/styles/ (fivealive.css strasa.css): [FIX] layout: Some fixes for strasa (and version info for fivealive)
[12:46] <chibaguy> jonnyb_ : No, I'm not saying one big module for the top. I'm talking only about the former div#tiki-top, that contains the menu + the search form in Tiki 6 and older.
[12:47] <jonnyb_> hi chibaguy 
[12:47] <jonnyb_> ok, i guess that was a common layout - but you can do it just with css on the modules
[12:48] <chibaguy> In Eatlon, these are styled together (#tiki-top and a second "wrapper" div inside tiki-top enable the dark background image).
[12:48] <chibaguy> I'd like to see how to do that with just the modules.
[12:48] <jonnyb_> yes, i just added a header_outer div to help that kind of thing - we might even need a 3rd one
[12:50] <chibaguy> ok, but I'm not referring to the entire site header, just to the rectangle that contains the menu and (often) the search form.
[12:51] <jonnyb_> it doesn't look like it's too far off now
[12:52] <jonnyb_> the background seems to be clipped on the left (some margin might fix that)
[12:52] <chibaguy> in Eatlon, there's <div#tiki-top><div.wrapper> {menu} {searchform}</div></div>.
[12:52] <chibaguy> that's why it's clipped: it's missing the div within #tiki-top.
[12:53] <jonnyb_> oh ok - should be fairly simple to fix... (he says boldly!)
[12:53] <chibaguy> the class/element names can be changed of course, but anyway that background treatment needs two nested divs.
[12:54] <jonnyb_> just changing #tiki-top .wrapper to #tiki-top .role_navigation seems to fix it for me
[12:55] <chibaguy> true,  unless you want the search form to be in there, as in previous releases.
[12:55] <chibaguy> then a new module is needed, as far as I can tell.
[12:55] <jonnyb_> can't you just position the search module over the top?
[12:55] <chibaguy> possibly.
[12:55] <jonnyb_> it has transparent background
[12:56] <chibaguy> I'll give that a shot.
[12:56] <jonnyb_> ok, not 100% "true" semantically, but then search isn't really part of a "nav" is it?
[12:56] <jonnyb_> i'll do it here & commit
[12:56] <jonnyb_> just need to fix the petals thing background image...
[12:57] <chibaguy> yeah, that used a div that ended above the menu, before, as I recall.
[12:58] <chibaguy> #sioptions, or #header-top or something, which no longer exists.
[12:58] <jonnyb_> #header-top by the look of it
[13:00] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31971 10/trunk/styles/eatlon.css: [FIX] layout: Some (quick) fixes for eatlon
[13:00] <jonnyb_> i think about %30 of most of our stylesheets can probably be cut out now - all that siteoptions/siteheader stuff
[13:01] <jonnyb_> anyway - i really have to go out now - chibaguy - do those fixes on eatlon, fivealive and strasa help at all?
[13:02] <chibaguy> I haven't had a chance to check the latest changes, but will.
[13:03] <jonnyb_> ok, no rush! :) i need to convince you of all people that this is a step in the right direction, it should make life so much easier (eventually)
[13:03] <jonnyb_> so anything i can do to help, just yell!
[13:05] <chibaguy> heh, I'm sure we're on the right track. just need to polish things up. ;-)
[13:05] <jonnyb_> absolutely
[13:06] <jonnyb_> i've also been thinking about a new theme to make the most of this and the (coming soon) theme genny
[13:06] <chibaguy> well, I've been trying to think about simplifying the css somehow.
[13:07] <jonnyb_> did you get a chance to investigate the jquery-ui theme roller? It's clever how is seems to use semi-transparent png backgrounds with a bg colour to create user-defined textures
[13:07] <chibaguy> kinda in the same direction, probably
[13:07] <jonnyb_> well worth checking out!
[13:07] <jonnyb_> when we can change our colours in look&feel this would be a good way to go, i think
[13:08] <chibaguy> ok, I'll take a look.
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[13:39] <ricks99> is community site down?
[13:42] <jonnyb_> yup, was just about to ask
[13:42] <jonnyb_> i'm supposed to be out - off now, bbl
[13:43] <ricks99> hi jonnyb_
[13:43] <ricks99> bye jonnyb_
[13:43] <jonnyb_> bibi :)
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[14:14] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r31972 10/trunk/templates/tiki-list_trackers.tpl: [FIX]tracker: smarty error :-(
[14:17] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r31973 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.menu.php: notice
[14:20] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r31974 10/trunk/lib/modules/modlib.php: notice
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[14:48] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31975 10/trunk/lib/setup/absolute_urls.php: [FIX] header: Missing base_uri smarty var
[14:49] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31976 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/setup/absolute_urls.php: [bp/r31975][FIX] header: Missing base_uri smarty var
[14:52] <SDuensin> Morning.
[14:54] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r31977 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[14:54] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] css rules for body and no scroll w/ position fixed
[14:54] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] fullscreen functionality for codemirror
[14:54] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] Resize functionality for codemirror
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[14:57] <robertplummer> polom all
[14:57] <robertplummer> polom changi !
[14:57] <jonnyb_> hi robertplummer 
[15:00] <robertplummer> I have a mysql query that takes 0.0005 seconds to run on a local system, I have a system that is right next to it that runs the same query, but connects to the first system to run it.  The latter takes 5 seconds to connect using mysql_connect while using an ip address.  What can I do to make it faster?
[15:01] <robertplummer> I don't think it is DNS because first off, it is an ip address, and secondly, DNS seems to work fine in the building.
[15:01] <robertplummer> I've lost about 25% of my hair and it is accelerating, anyone have a clue?
[15:02] <robertplummer> changi, lphuberdeau tells me you are a sysadmin, what do you think?
[15:03] <ricks99> use a shorter wire between the two systems ? ;-)
[15:03] <jonnyb_> how "next to" it is it?
[15:03] <jonnyb_> can you connect using a socket somehow?
[15:05] <jonnyb_> also maybe check out firewall/proxy stuff on the db server - might be slowing things down
[15:05] <robertplummer> I guess it is on the other side of the room.  Probably about 50 feet of cable away now that I think of it, lol.
[15:06] <jonnyb_> i mean in terms of network setup of course - they're on the same subnet i guess
[15:06] <robertplummer> Yes.
[15:06] <jonnyb_> how about using mysql_pconnect() so it only connects once?
[15:06] <jonnyb_> so slow the first time
[15:06] <robertplummer> Same results.
[15:07] <lphuberdeau> I think that does not apply there as it's probably called through a CLI interface
[15:07] <robertplummer> file_get_contents is rocket fast though which is really making things fuzzy
[15:08] <jonnyb_> ping between them is fast, yes?
[15:08] <robertplummer> yes
[15:10] <jonnyb_> and running the script on the remote server (so db is local) is fast too?
[15:11] <robertplummer> Yes, it is very fast locally.
[15:12] <jonnyb_> so you have php on both machines? what i'm getting at is it the same "the other way round"
[15:13] <robertplummer> Both machines have php, the one that is slow is a phone server and the query is for caller id, the other system is their crm.
[15:14] <robertplummer> I've not tried to connect to the phone server from the crm server.
[15:15] <jonnyb_> just wondering if it really is a comms thing, or the db setup on the 2nd machine in general
[15:17] <robertplummer> Possibly, but it is a stock ubuntu server with mysql installed.
[15:18] <robertplummer> It has been super fast, we upgraded from a windows box that was slower than a turtle.
[15:19] <jonnyb_> no phpmyadmin for instance? would confirm mysql is running ok
[15:19] <robertplummer> They both have it.
[15:30] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r31979 10/trunk/tiki-admingroups.php: notice
[15:32] <jonnyb_> robertplummer: and mysql seems to run at the same speed on both? (presumably)
[15:32] <robertplummer> Yes, they are both well equipped systems.
[15:32] <jonnyb_> and you said you're using an ip not name to connect...
[15:33] <jonnyb_> any nasty WINS etc stuff going on there?
[15:37] <robertplummer> yes ip, it is a windows network (which is probably the problem) so yes with the WINS.
[15:44] <jonnyb_> but if ping/traceroute etc work ok then so should this, right?
[15:51] <robertplummer> I just bent the rules with it, I'm not a network analyst.  I brought the query to the crm machine and a simple file_get_contents on the pbx phone server.
[15:51] <robertplummer> HA, there is no spoon!
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[15:55] <jonnyb_> sneaky :)
[16:06] <robertplummer> jonnyb_: Where is $headerlib declared from? What do I need to include in a file to obtain it?
[16:06] <robertplummer> Refactoring the files for sheet so that they are only called when needed.
[16:06] <jonnyb_> lib/headerlib.php
[16:06] <robertplummer> grr!
[16:06] <jonnyb_> :)
[16:14] <ricks99> community site still down...
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[16:20] <jonnyb_> ik
[16:21] <jonnyb_> was there something to do with the <label> tag and html5? like it's not to be used any more or something?
[16:31] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r31980 10/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): [ENH]tracker: split tiki_p_modify_tracker_item_xxx with tiki_p_remove_tracker_items_xxx
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r31981 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [FIX] Fixed codemirror ready problem for standard edit
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [FIX] Changed tiki syntax highlighter font to Helvetica
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] setupJQuerySheet setupJQuerySheetHistory to SheetLib so that sheets don't load on every page, to keep tiki fast
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] a call to setupJQuerySheet to tiki-view_sheets.php
[16:39] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] a call to setupJQuerySheetHistory to tiki-history_sheets.php
[16:39] <robertplummer> Keep tiki fast, woohoo!
[16:45] <lphuberdeau> sylvieg: what are those permissions?
[16:45] <sylvieg> to remove an item / to modify an item
[16:45] <lphuberdeau> the _xxx part
[16:45] <sylvieg> modif_closed modify_pending
[16:46] <lphuberdeau> ok
[16:51] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31982 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] modules: Better login-box header mode (slightly)
[17:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r31983 10/trunk/ (10 files in 8 dirs): 
[17:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [MOD] Allow content sources to return multiple documents for each object
[17:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [MOD] Provide approved and latest version of wiki pages when available
[17:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ENH] Add test coverage for statistics reporting
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[17:13] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31984 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: Indentation only
[17:18] <lphuberdeau> robertplummer, fullscreen does not work for me either
[17:24] <robertplummer> yea, I'm working on it right now.
[17:25] <lphuberdeau> your last commit lead me to believe it was fixed
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[17:39] <robertplummer> jonnyb_: any problem with me moving the scripts for sheet around to grid.php?  So that I can control better how it loads?
[17:40] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31985 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: [FIX] modules: Some jQuery for caps lock and challenge/response
[17:40] <jonnyb_> no, not at all robertplummer - that was on my list a while ago (but fell off!)
[17:40] <jonnyb_> there was definitely some code duplication that should be creaned up
[17:41] <jonnyb_> *cleaned
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[17:57] <chealer_> polo
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[18:04] <jonnyb> m
[18:18] <jonnyb> chealer: just looking at mod-login_box and seeing this $registered=n bit near the openid section - any recollections as to why?
[18:18] <jonnyb> (it's there)
[18:19] <jonnyb> aha, i think it's to stop it appearing in the module, but show on tiki-login_scr.php (where it's just an included file afaicr)
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[18:24] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31986 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] modules: login_box - add params to control rememberme etc display
[18:28] <chealer> jonnyb: right
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[18:34] <robertplummer> jonnyb: any problem with calling sheet directly rather than .tiki("sheet" ?
[18:35] <robertplummer> So long as TIki's options are called?
[18:47] <ricks99> anyone flying into BOS for tikifest boston? I'd like to coordinate arrival times...
[18:58] <robertplummer> Ah man jonnyb, getting ready to commit a refactoring of sheet that fixes edit for tiki, there was some broken js.  It is FAST!
[19:04] <jonnyb> robertplummer: you ok with that sheet thing now?
[19:05] <robertplummer> yea
[19:05] <jonnyb> ricks99: i'll be travelling to boston with Team Laporte, by buss apparently - no idea when though
[19:05] <robertplummer> I've ripped it out of jquery-tiki.js and info grid, it is broken a bit, but will be untill I fully update sheet to it's new calculations engine internally
[19:06] <robertplummer> I've also gotten rid of jqueryTiki calls in sheet, all direct $ or sheet.
[19:06] <jonnyb> robertplummer: cool, i don't expect we'll be plugging in a different sheet app  :)
[19:06] <robertplummer> :)
[19:07] <ricks99> tx jonnyb. i'll either grab a cab/bus or have ya'll swing by the airport and get me :)
[19:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r31987 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[19:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [FIX] sheet broken
[19:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [MOD] Moved sheet from tiki-jquery.js to grid.php
[19:08] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: Still needs work but needed to get wiki editor working and nearly every other broken page.
[19:11] <ricks99> Q: If I know an image's ID number, how can I quickly locate it in the File Gallery (in order to update it)?
[19:12] <ricks99> searching by the file ID # does *not* work
[19:13] <jonnyb> phpmyadmin?
[19:13] <ricks99> hope that wasnt a suggestion for me...
[19:13] <jonnyb> yup
[19:13] <ricks99> not do-able. this is for an end-user
[19:14] <ricks99> makes it impossible to update an image in the file gallery :(
[19:17] <lphuberdeau> you can always type it in the URL, but not really friendly, I admit
[19:17] <ricks99> url is display123. no help at all
[19:18] * ricks99 hates tik sometimes
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[19:22] <lphuberdeau> except for vi, I really hate most software I use once in a while
[19:23] <jonnyb> you could try tiki-upload_file.php?fileId=123
[19:24] <jonnyb> but i don't see the er-upload file input
[19:24] <jonnyb> er/re
[19:25] <lphuberdeau> at least when revision is enabled, "editing" a file means creating a new one... it will get a new ID
[19:25] <ricks99> y. but i dont want it t oget a new id -- then i would have to fix every single page that uses the image
[19:25] <chealer> woo, I just updated my trunk to r31987.
[19:26] <ricks99> using tiki-upload_file doesnt tell me which gallery it is in :(
[19:27] <chealer> jonnyb: I have lots of notices like "Undefined index: module_zones_pagetop" from tiki.tpl and the site header is completely gone
[19:28] <lphuberdeau> run the updates
[19:29] <lphuberdeau> I think the tag line for Tiki 7 will be "Remember how easy the upgrade from 5 to 6 was? Well, this one will be different."
[19:29] <ricks99> really :(
[19:29] <jonnyb> door - bye bye
[19:30] <lphuberdeau> there are quite a few major changes coming up
[19:30] <ricks99> worse then the perm re-org?
[19:31] <jonnyb> sorry, have to go - more tomorrow
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[19:32] <lphuberdeau> can't say, it's still early
[19:33] <lphuberdeau> but 6 was really a small upgrade
[19:33] <ricks99> 3 -> 4 was the pain point
[19:34] <lphuberdeau> there is the post-LTS factor in common
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[19:58] <CodyG> I'm new, need help ... in what directory are uploaded images stored?  I can't get image to view for anonymous on homepage, so I'm going to give a path to the image and try to use standard html but I can't find the dir for files I've uploaded through cms.  Is it a trick?
[19:58] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r31988 10/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[19:58] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [FIX] Resize fixes
[19:58] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] Resize when window changes dimensions
[19:58] <ricks99> check the premissions for the Anonymous group. sounds like you didn't grant permission to view or download images
[19:59] <CodyG> i've looked at so many permission pages will look again.
[20:00] <ricks99> uploaed imaes are stored either in db or directory, as specifie don your admin: file gallery page
[20:00] <ricks99> see docs for detials
[20:00] <robertplummer> Ok guys, svn up and check resize and full screen for tiki.
[20:03] <CodyG> assing global permissions/ file galleries/ can view file galleries is the only permission i can find that is simialr and I dont' want anon to view file galleries.  or is it an object permission?  
[20:04] <CodyG> assigning
[20:04] <ricks99> they'll need download, too, in order to view the image on their pc
[20:04] <ricks99> from their browser
[20:07] <CodyG> ok... view and download file galleries works because anon never sees a menu?
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[20:08] <ricks99> sorry. i don't understand your question. in order to view an image, the group needs the correct permissions. Please read docs http://doc.tiki.org/Permissions for full details.
[20:10] <CodyG> I agree.  a group needs permissions.  so there there a way to give anon permission to see only one image?  Or do I need to use html and an image not in the cms gallery?  Sorry if I'm sounding confuddling.  a new cms can be a tad strange.
[20:12] <CodyG> if anon knows to type mydomain.org/tkit-list_gallery.php anon sees the gallery, even it there isn't a menu item for anon.
[20:12] <ricks99> you can apply permission to an individual object (such as a file). the obect permissions will override the group/global permissions
[20:12] <CodyG> good... so how do I apply one object permission
[20:12] <ricks99> if you're new to Tiki. you might find this primer useful: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/How+Permissions+Work
[20:13] <ricks99> you can create a single gallery that is vislble to anonymous. then any image you store in that gallery will be visible for everyone
[20:16] <CodyG> hopefully my site is for a community home owner group. A "strata" ... they want anon to see some pretty pictures but not much else.... more of an intranet is needed.  It sounds like tiki would be a good app.  
[20:16] <CodyG> thanks rick99!  That sounds like a good plan.
[20:17] <ricks99> 'yes. Tiki is *highly* flexible and configurable.
[20:17] <CodyG> i've been struggling with drupal for a couple of years.... nice conferences but that cms is torture
[20:19] <CodyG> i started out with phpnuke ver 5.... before that I had a wildcat winserver, pcboard and my first cms(bbs) was something called spitfire.
[20:20] <ricks99> welcome to tiki. hope you enjoy it :-)
[20:20] <CodyG> i remember looking at tiki once a long time ago, had another look last week and thought... hmmmmm... I should give that app a try!  and except for the learning curve, I'm pretty darn pleased.  Will get the new book.
[20:22] <lphuberdeau> you mean ricks99's book? :)
[20:23] <ricks99> huh?
[20:25] <ricks99> oh.. yes, i hope you find the book useful
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[20:31] <robertplummer> You guys see any reason to keep those fieldsets in wiki edit?  I'd like to clean them up with div.
[20:35] <lphuberdeau> oh, we think they are an improvement over the past tables
[20:35] <lphuberdeau> but I think that will be revisited somewhere in 7 to improve the mobile support
[20:36] <sylvieg> Why lib/pear/Text is an external library. Is the tiki part in pear?
[20:36] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r31990 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:36] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [FIX] Resize to have a min and made width 100% if codemirror
[20:36] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: [ADD] option in addCodeMirrorEditorRelation for skipResize
[20:36] <lphuberdeau> yeah, the tiki part is in pear
[20:37] <sylvieg> :-( It is bugged
[20:37] <sylvieg> see my mail on devel
[20:37] <lphuberdeau> it's very old
[20:37] <robertplummer> So are we really using fieldsets for anything?
[20:37] <lphuberdeau> and unmaintained
[20:37] <sylvieg> :-(
[20:37] <ricks99> used to group simliar options
[20:38] <robertplummer> Yea, but isn't that the purpose of nearly every type of object in html? :)
[20:38] <CodyG> rick: anon gallery thing didn't work for me, yet.  I'll try again later.  gotta go. thanks
[20:38] <robertplummer> To group similar things....
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[20:38] <ricks99> y, but fieldset provides visual cues to end-users
[20:38] <ricks99> instead of a list of 25 options, you can have 4 groups of 5 options
[20:39] <ricks99> *much* better ui, ux, and retention
[20:39] <sylvieg> +1 to keep fieldset
[20:39] <ricks99> however, having a fieldset with 1 item is not very useful
[20:40] <robertplummer> That is what I'm talking about ricks99 
[20:40] <ricks99> specific page/example?
[20:40] <robertplummer> I think this fieldset is going the way of the dino in wiki edit, because there is only 1 item in it.
[20:40] <robertplummer> On wiki edit just under the wiki textarea
[20:41] <ricks99> i see "describe changes" and "monitor"
[20:41] <robertplummer> "Describe the change you made"
[20:41] <robertplummer> It messes with resize and makes it look sloppy
[20:41] <lphuberdeau> the amount of options in there is variable depending on what is enabled
[20:41] <ricks99> the ones on Properties tab should b removed
[20:42] <ricks99> if there is not a logical groups, imho it should be removed
[20:42] <ricks99> if the purpose is simply for visual separation, just just a div, simplebox, etc
[20:42] <ricks99> for a11y, <fieldset> has a very specific meaning
[20:43] <lphuberdeau> the issue is mostly that some are OK, and others were added for consistency even if there was only one field
[20:43] <ricks99> a fieldset with 1 field is wrong.
[20:43] <robertplummer> Ok, maybe a bad idea then.  Perhaps a little margin on the top and we're good to go.
[20:44] <lphuberdeau> I personally don't understand why preview is small while save and cancel are big... cancel should be the small one because it can be destructive
[20:44] <robertplummer> I also see in the css where the wiki editor children are 99% width, and it looks horrid at fullscreen, if I give the fieldset a width of 100% and give it lets say 5px top margin it looks pretty good, what do you guys think?
[20:44] <ricks99> should b the same size
[20:45] <ricks99> (buttons i mean)
[20:46] <ricks99> the css is wrong. 2 are submit, 1 is class button
[20:46] * sylvieg thought it was because preview what updated in real time
[20:46] * sylvieg does not like the new preview behavior
[20:47] <ricks99> same issue with the NO TABS button. it is different size from all other ui bttons
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[20:49] <lphuberdeau> I'm kind of happy I don't deal with UI so much, I would end up completely mad
[20:50] <ricks99> bbl. gotta step away
[20:50] <robertplummer> ok, no touchy
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[22:17] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31994 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-search.tpl: Search module: fix missing spaces using compact instead of strip
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[22:24] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31995 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Contributors module: add avatar
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[22:36] <Tiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Trouble regarding categories and groups. - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=40154
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[23:18] <luciash> pooh-lom
[23:39] <jonnyb> hi luciash 
[23:42] <jonnyb> but nn
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[23:48] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31996 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] French: change translation for "Have your profile seen" from "Avoir ses informations visibles" to "Avoir ses informations utilisateur vues" (still doesn't sound good, but at least not simply wrong)
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[23:52] <SteveC_> Greetings
[23:52] <CIA-37> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31997 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] French: some Admin score configuration strings
[23:53] <SteveC_> Has anyone else experienced a problem downloading PDFs from a file gallery?
[23:54] <SteveC_> I've been all through the docs, forums and bug DB, but thought I would check in before reporting a problem.
[23:58] <SteveC_> 1.1mb PDF file, upload_max_filesize=6M, post_max_size=8M -- Upload goes without errors -- download is consistently reported as broken by Adobe Reader.
[23:59] <SteveC_> Other file types have been working okay