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radek82: luciash, sorry, :P again, amazing work. keep it up. I will help in whatever way i can.
<br> im still learning where/how everything is, but i love how simplified and logical it all is
marclaporte2: where in Canada?
chealer: polom
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radek82: marclaporte in Toronto right now
<br> but i've also lived on the west coast in interior BC
marclaporte: Nelson Ko is also in Toronto
radek82: cool, is he one of the devs?
marclaporte2: http://nelsonko.com/
radek82: Im just here for work, i'd rather be in the mountains :P0
marclaporte2: yes, nickname "jedi"
<br> You know what Montrealers say about Toronto?
radek82: yeah, what the rest of canada does ;)
<br> wannabe new yorkers
marclaporte2: hehe
radek82: the big smoke
<br> etc etc...
<br> its not quite as bad as most people say, but its definately no Kelowna, or Revelstoke
<br> Montreal i didn't have the best of luck with, as i don't speak french
marclaporte2: In most place, it's "Thank God it's Friday". In Toronto, it's "Thank God it's Monday" :-)
radek82: lol, not in my books thats for sure :P
<br> cordiant keeps trying to get me to move out there, they keep trying to throw money at me
<br> but montreal money isn't as good as toronto money :P
marclaporte2: hehe
radek82: at least i'd have a decent hill close by (tremblant)
marclaporte2: but rent is cheaper here :-)
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radek82: i actually have quite a few friends in MTL ;P
<br> i visit almost every summer
<br> great city to party in
<br> but to live in i think you need to speak french
<br> hey, i see you're on teksavvy :P
<br> good for you
<br> have you been keeping up on the UBB fight?
marclaporte2: yeah, got to encourage them
radek82: i know all the tech guys running it
<br> marc and gabe
<br> ive met rocky on occasion too
<br> yeah, they are david fighting goliath right now ;P
marclaporte2: The whole thing is unfortunate state of affairs
radek82: yep, as is the state of the internet in canada
<br> but at least the issue is on the table now.
<br> a few years ago it wasn't even an "issue"
marclaporte2: Teksavvy is really nice to have fixed IP, no block ports, etc.
radek82: but here we are, on 8 mbit connections, when in amsterdam i can get unmetered 100 mbit ports for $50 eu a month
marclaporte2: What I find quite disturbing is how phone companies can change the terms and the contract is still valid
radek82: yep, thats because we don't have a marketplace
<br> we have an oligopoly
marclaporte2: grandfather clauses should be the norm
radek82: yeah, not just that, teksavvy is the first canadian isp to run ipv6 natively
<br> they were first with mlppp when bell started throttling bittorrent
<br> im proud to say i was on the dev team that made that happen ;)
marclaporte2: awesome!
radek82: yeah, you know, everyone has to do their part :)
<br> right now, im really impressed with you guys
<br> i can't believe how far youve come so fast
<br> brb
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marclaporte2: Since when have you been following progress?
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marclaporte2: <u>radek82</u>: back?
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radek82: <u>marclaporte2</u>: yeah, sorry. got sidetracked afk :P. im gonna get some sleep, but i will be back :) it was very nice meeting you
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chibaguy: polom
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sylvieg: hello
<br> did somebody notice that the search top bar on tiki.org is broken with IE7. THe submit does not work - and there is a blue box below
<br> the blue box in on info.tiki - on cumminty only the search button does not work
<br> but it works with IE8 :-(
chibaguy: hi sylvieg
<br> I didn't notice that before, but am checking now.
<br> also, javascript error: line 253, char 145, "object expected"
<br> yeah, the button doesn't work in ie7, plus the button area seems very small.
<br> well, some problem with the layout in fivealive, for ie7. I'll see if I can fix it.
Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: ALINK pointing to the wrong address - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=40344
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chibaguy: oh, menu dropdowns are _behind_ tabcontent in tiki 6 ie7 :-/
<br> when did that change, I wonder....
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luciash: polom
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sylvieg: oohh THnksa chibaguy (I went to have breakfast and it is fixed - nice beginning of the day)
ricks99: polom y'all
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jonnyb: another week, another polom
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luciash: <u>jonnyb</u>: polom, another day ;)
jonnyb: :)
<br> played with the theme gen yet?
<br> http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/ is up to date and a fair amount of it works! :)
<br> must add the "generated" options to mod switch theme...
luciash: <u>jonnyb</u>: sorry, i haven't yet
chibaguy: hi guys
jonnyb: no worries - but i think you'll like it (and have lots of good feedback)
<br> polom chibaguy
chibaguy: something tells me we'll be seeing lots of crazy-looking tiki sites in the near future. ;-)
jonnyb: am replying to your jqui/flat email
luciash: guys (and gals)... any idea how does background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.5) fallback in browsers ?
<br> i mean in those which do not support rgba (alpha transparency)
<br> it is CSS3 iirc
<br> simmilar to opacity: 0.5
jonnyb: i imagine they just ignore them
<br> i think we should work out our css3 strategy one day, we're sort of on 2.5 aren't we already, so technically not valid?
chibaguy: we're getting into the grey zone. some themes have a lot of border-radius, which doesn't validate css2.1. I'm always a little shocked to see 50 validation errors in fivealive.
luciash: not valid, prolly... i don't usually test validity of CSS (ashamefully)
chibaguy: otherwise, we validate pretty well in 2.1 now.
luciash: also we need to decide what version to check the validity for
chibaguy: right
jonnyb: indeed - is css 3 really finished?
chibaguy: in jqui, i originally put all the border radius in one place so people could comment them out if they need to validate.
<br> jonnyb, I don't think so, not yet.
<br> but I think there's a provisional validator.
<br> ah, maybe w3c.org's can do it.
<br> yep, it can.
jonnyb: so shall we say tiki 7 will be html5/css3?
<br> if it all goes bad we could retreat before the next LTS
chibaguy: sure, let's go for it. :-)
luciash: i agree
lphuberdeau: http://caniuse.com/
jonnyb: cool - greetings lphuberdeau
lphuberdeau: good morning
jonnyb: all ok at the office?
luciash: when is the bbb meeting ? i'll be pretty busy this week but i'd like to participate
lphuberdeau: at home today
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jonnyb: <u>luciash</u>: that bbb meeting i forgot to organise you mean?
luciash: yes :D
lphuberdeau: the one in 1 to 2 weeks from some point in the past?
jonnyb: must be soon then...
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jonnyb: isn't there a little 'fest coming up?
lphuberdeau: boston?
<br> oh wait, one in montreal the week before
jonnyb: no, one before then - this week i think? (in French)
<br> before that even - somewhere else in CA
lphuberdeau: no idea
luciash: TikiFest Québec ?
jonnyb: that's the one
ricks99: *sheesh* im glad y'all use the calendar http://info.tiki.org/calendar
jonnyb: maybe we should do it then?
<br> :)
ricks99: ;-)
jonnyb: hi ricks99
ricks99: hi y'all
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luciash: bbl
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changi: polom
<br> hi smart guys,
<br> a trackerlist question
<br> is it possible to filter on a date field only on the year ?
jonnyb: hi changi - in theory, i believe it is, but i've found tracker dates so generally buggy i use a text field in yyyy-mm-dd format and the use % for wildcards
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changi: ok, i've got a tracker with thousand of item :)
<br> is there a quick and dirty solution ?
jonnyb: i think you can use > and < etc somehow
<br> there's something about it on doc.t.o
changi: i'v try those ones upper(2010) >2010 but nothing is display
jonnyb: sorry changi - don't know any more, i think it was a sylvieg thing
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jonnyb: by the way, did you see my mysql upgrade corrupt tables mail? was wondering if you spotted a pattern or anything? (being good at sql and that!)
<br> pomol marclaporte
changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: yes i saw it
<br> but to be honest, i did not pay so much attention (don't have much time those days)
jonnyb: fair 'nuff
changi: to summarize, you upgrade from mysql 4 to 5 ?
jonnyb: well, my hosting co - they went 4.1.something, to 5.1 via 5.0 apparently
<br> i had about 10 tikis all with the same corrupted tables
changi: i saw that this morning http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading-from-previous-series.html
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: which one ?
jonnyb: which what?
changi: which table was corrupted ?
jonnyb: oh, lots - i'll find the list...
<br> http://old.nabble.com/-Tiki-devel--Tiki-database-tables-corrupted-in-mysql-upgrades-td30852625.html
changi: oh, are they still broken ?
<br> Index Incompatibilities
jonnyb: had to restore form backups
changi: If you perform a binary upgrade without dumping and reloading tables, you cannot upgrade directly from MySQL 4.1 to 5.1 or higher. This occurs due to an incompatible change in the MyISAM table index format in MySQL 5.0. Upgrade from MySQL 4.1 to 5.0 and repair all MyISAM tables. Then upgrade from MySQL 5.0 to 5.1 and check and repair your tables.
jonnyb: but more than half our tables came through ok
<br> odd it was always these ones that broke
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changi: mysqlrepair did not work ?
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: where they all in utf-8
jonnyb: no, a mixture - some from tiki 1.x, some quite new (upgrades from 5 probably the newest)
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jonnyb: this was on shared hosting, so no shell, but TABLE REPAIR (with all the options) failed
changi: and now are they all in utf-8
jonnyb: no, charset wasn't changed (that i noticed)
changi: another tips from mysql : To upgrade to 5.1 from any previous version, MySQL recommends that you dump your tables with mysqldump before upgrading and reload the dump file after upgrading.
<br> i think tables which have passed upgrade are lucky
<br> maybe we should put the link on doc.to to warn user
jonnyb: indeed - it was far from convenient! (can you do doc?)
<br> you wouldn't have thought a minor upgrade should be so risky!
marclaporte: what is hosting company telling you?
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r32485 10/trunk/ (lib/userslib.php tiki-login.php):
<br> tikiwiki: [FIX]user: when an admin switches to a user, get the real case of the user name
<br> tikiwiki: as many functions use a binary on login. The fix is not exact as in old versions
<br> tikiwiki: it can be n logins with different cases - but user_exists is not correct too
marclaporte: surely, they took a backup before the upgrade
jonnyb: the daily backup i found must have been too late, and actually i didn't check the weekly one...
<br> i had recent backups for the critical client ones, and the tiki_pages tables survived, which was all that was changing regularly (mostly)
changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: for me it's not a minor upgrade
jonnyb: :)
<br> i'd call 4.x to 5.x major, 5.0 to 5.1 shouldn't be so scary imho
changi: I currently host 340 Mysql db and for sure, i will first test the migration
<br> oh , was thinking you go from 4.1 to 5.1
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: hi, have you ever try to user trackerfilter with date ?
radek82: i went from 4.2 to 6.1 without problems
<br> but before any upgrade you should be backing up as SOP :P
changi: <u>radek82</u>: you are talking about itki
lphuberdeau: radek82, it's about a mysql upgrade, we know tiki upgrades just fine ;)
changi: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: lol
jonnyb: :D
radek82: ahh, yes, i was talking about tiki, sorry
<br> entered the convo 1/2 way :P
jonnyb: welcome
changi: <u>marclaporte</u>: where is the best place to put that Warning ?
radek82: my production boxes run 5.0.91
<br> i guess i shouldn't jump to 5.1 ?
jonnyb: i'm amazed if mysql really thinks it's ok to lose data upgrading from 5.0 to 5.1
lphuberdeau: I don't think that's the case
<br> I bet the release notes have a few warnings
jonnyb: i was guessing it would be due to some gremlins in our table defs
lphuberdeau: oh, there are some
<br> I have seen at least one table where tiki managed to create an auto increment column that is not the primary key
jonnyb: the page changi pointed to (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading-from-previous-series.html ) is very long and i don't understand most of it
<br> nice
<br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: (switching topic) can you point me to a quick-start on the new table helpers?
lphuberdeau: http://dev.tiki.org/Database+Access
jonnyb: merci
<br> hmmm, i want to do an INSERT INTO... SELECT FROM thing - better to use the helpers in two steps or use SQL the old way?
lphuberdeau: no syntax for insert ... select
<br> I encountered only one of those and left it as SQL
<br> quite rare
<br> the layer only handles single-table operations
jonnyb: i'm doing a "clone menu" button, so there will be lots of options to duplicate...
lphuberdeau: clone for what?
jonnyb: menu
lphuberdeau: duh
<br> right
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jonnyb: and it's options
lphuberdeau: yeah, you need to write the SQL for that, at least for the moment
<br> you'd have to list all fields anyway
jonnyb: so i'm trying $this->insert for the menu, then i'll try sql for the options
<br> i mean $menus->insert...
marclaporte: <u>changi</u>: the problem with date is that filter is for exact value. So try before or after a date
<br> so radek82, yesterday, you were going to tell me since when you have been following Tiki
radek82: <u>marclaporte</u>: about 2 years
<br> lemme check exactly :P
<br> Date of first pageview Friday 24 of July, 2009
<br> thats my longest running production tiki
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radek82: but i experimented for a while before i actually used it for something
<br> i think i started with 4.1
<br> or 4.2, so not very long ago, but the rate of development is fast
marclaporte: ok, so you didn't see the dark ages :-)
<br> I still have several 1.9.x lying around, which still have everything needed for a small site
radek82: i guess not :) not to say that im sad about it
<br> i really like the development process, its more more structured
<br> not chaotic like most OSS projects
lphuberdeau: structured, really?
radek82: everything goes into a single release, no plugins to fight with, no separate CVS trees
lphuberdeau: oh yes, that part
radek82: yeah, i don't like picking trunks from software i have no idea of :)
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radek82: call it organized chaos then :P
jonnyb: <u>radek82</u>: are you familiar with swans?
radek82: i am not
jonnyb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan - look all serene and calm above the surface...
<br> underneath though the little legs are going like hell!
<br> :)
radek82: lol, i could imagine. but from what i've seen of your backend, everything is logically laid out
<br> im no php expert though
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jonnyb: :P
ricks99: tiki looks like a mess, but somehow works perfectly :-)
marclaporte: I think many part of our dev process are quite good now
<br> release cadence is predictable
<br> every release sees a code cleanup part
ricks99: things that look ugly can still work well
marclaporte: Quality Team is very structured
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radek82: code is rarely pretty, especially when its more then 1 person working on it. im amazed at how well integrated everything is
<br> take a comparison at drupal
<br> with their plugin system
<br> plugins rarely work through upgrades
<br> infact some plugins, you have to use an old version just for them to work
<br> in comparison, you guys are the cats pajamas
marclaporte: hehe, ok, so now, we just need to get more people to know and join the project
<br> I'll get my cats some pajamas to celebrate :-)
ricks99: when the association gets a bank account and budget, we need to advertise
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32486 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
<br> tikiwiki: [ENH] menus: Add clone menu function, make menu 42 "read only" (GUI only) and add tiki_p_edit_menu check to edit & delete
<br> tikiwiki: (menu 42 reset coming soon hopefully)
marclaporte: I am convinced the model is fundamentally sound, but I think plugin model offers some benefits, and we could perhaps find ways to get those benefits somehow
<br> For example, in a plugin model, it's easy to know who is in charge of what and thus, to create micro-communities (self-organizing, etc.)
ricks99: it took me a while, but i think i finally agree that the all-in-one model is at least as good as the plugin model
radek82: yes, but then you give up control over those micro-communities, exposing the plugin to problems
marclaporte: Barrier to entry seems lower in plugin model, in terms of what you need to learn to start participating
radek82: i can see a downside of the allinone plugin model being incredibly time intensive, but from a users point of view, its worth its weight in gold
marclaporte: from a contributor's point of view, once you pass the initial learning curve, I think it's better than plugin model because you can influence the direction of the project and you'll get help from others.
<br> but sometimes, people prefer not to have to deal with others, and just have full control of their plugin. This is a characteristic of plugin model, that is not possible in Tiki
<br> once you add code to Tiki, almost 500 people have commit access to change it. I think this is way too scary for many devs :-)
ricks99: definately culture shock
<br> dev community is great. now if we can just work on building a real user community...
marclaporte: I am convinced that for two communities of the same size, with same resources, etc. all-in-one model is more efficient than plugin model. However, a handful of plugin communities (Drupal, Joomla!, WordPress, MediaWiki) are significantly larger in terms of contributors. Thus, they can be less efficient (ex.: wasted code in abandoned plugins), but have more resources to address an issue and thus be very effective. It's like Wikipedi
<br> <u>ricks99</u>: what is "call to action" of the typical person you have in mind for "user community" ?
<br> Perhaps some stuff could be added to Tiki7 http://dev.tiki.org/Connect
ricks99: pure hobbyist is the user community we're missing
<br> need to find a way to engage the 10,000 registered t.o accounts
marclaporte: yes, so what is call to action?
<br> I think helping with translations is an easy first step
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marclaporte: we can ask for money
Themetest: hi@all
marclaporte: we can ask them to join Twitter, FB, etc.
Themetest: i have a problem
ricks99: i think 3 items: 1. marketing blitz, 2. publicize tiki "wins" better, and 3. major corporate support
Themetest: i can not download this theme http://themes.tiki.org/absE
marclaporte: <u>Themetest</u>: which version of Tiki?
ricks99: @Themetest: it should be included with tiki 6 - no need to download separately
marclaporte: money for http://tiki.org/Summer+2011+Tiki+Tour would be nice
Themetest: mom
ricks99: see ^^^ once association gets a budget, think we can move forwrad on some items
Themetest: tiki-6.1
marclaporte: heh, we were just talking about the benefits of not having to download things seperately
ricks99: It should be included. no need to download
<br> Do you not see it from Admin > Look & Feel, themes tab?
Themetest: ?
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ricks99: See http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Configuring+the+Layout to select a theme
<br> @marclaporte: consider how many (few?) non-tiki.org sites there are about tiki.... compared with joomla, drupal, plone, etc.
marclaporte: <u>ricks99</u>: I see this as very bad for SEO for globally, I prefer to have info in small number of places
<br> of course, we have less links between domains, and less search results in google stats
<br> but a much better information management
ricks99: no. i mean tiki-related sites/info that does *not* originate from tiki.org. (e.g., smarties)
marclaporte: with info scattered, a lot is lost when people move on
ricks99: i can find 100s of blogs, sites, etc. for joomla outside of joomla.org. *that's* the user community i mean
marclaporte: yes, I see
ricks99: folks like you, nelson, et. al. should have your own tiki-specific blogs on ur sites
marclaporte: Nelson does, but I am not into blogging. I much prefer to make actionable plans in wiki pages
ricks99: well, even that....
marclaporte: the hundreds of sites about Joomla: what are they talking about
ricks99: i don't see much "news" on http://avantech.net/tiki-index.php :-)
marclaporte: right, I don't have a news section because I don't want it to be empty
ricks99: folks blogging/writing about their joomla experiences. i think it is what http://tiki.org/blogs could/shold b
<br> but ur a community leader
<br> at least t.o is getting news out weekly now :) its a start
<br> i have no answers... only observations :(
marclaporte: hehe
<br> Tiki6 is a better blog than before
<br> so perhaps more people will adopt is as a blog
<br> and these blogger-types will also talk about Tiki
<br> but some stuff which ends up on blogs really should be in wiki pages, as documentation
<br> but some CMSs don't have a wiki engine, so blog posts are the way to go
ricks99: blog, wiki, whatever. where are the sites that talk about tiki?
<br> (other than tiki.org)
lphuberdeau: <u>Tiki</u>: more about doing than talking
ricks99: but unless folks hear about tiki, they're unlikely to do anything with tiki. and i think an active user community would go a long way
marclaporte: <u>Rick</u>: I think the first thing to act upon is our exisiting users
<br> for attracting new ones, current promo on info is superb
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CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32487 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
<br> tikiwiki: [ENH] menus: Add reset function for menu 42 (Application Menu) as in the past this was editable and it was easy to lose access to many features.
<br> tikiwiki: (Should be hidden if a fresh tiki 7 install, somehow - TODO)
RavenC: polom
ricks99: a few years ago, we did a mass survey to users, didn't we. what ever came of it?
marclaporte: Some things I remember: many people wanted to get involved
ricks99: wasnt there a pr firm doing stuff at one time?
marclaporte: easy to say in a survey, I know, but I think there is some lost opportunity
<br> not a firm, but Matthew and Pauline
ricks99: right
marclaporte: I think a huge potential is to get local user groups going
<br> and the path to this is to help tiki users connect with others that are near them
<br> or someone, with whom they share affinities
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ricks99: at some point prehaps, the association needs to hire a real staff. volunteers can only go so far
RavenC: TW 6.1 - tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=2: Only diplays two open items. What do I change to show all trackers, irrespective of their status ?
lphuberdeau: that requires quite a bit of money
RavenC: ^ as a default I should add...
ricks99: @RavenC: in edit tracker, can specify which status gets shown by default
RavenC: aaah.... can select them all... Thanks Ricks, I thought it was a one or the other type of thing...
ricks99: @lphuberdeau: yes, $$ would certainly help
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ricks99: lol
marclaporte: <u>radek82</u>: you can add Tiki to your stack: http://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki
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robertplummer: polom all
RavenC: polom
radek82: marclaporte, sure
robertplummer: Hey guys, where is the page that discusses adding new features to Tiki? For the life of me, I have forgotten... again.
lphuberdeau: you mean the checkboxes?
robertplummer: right
ricks99: <u>Admin</u>: Features
lphuberdeau: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
robertplummer: thanks
<br> just what I was looking for!
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32488 10/trunk/lib/prefslib.php: [FIX] prefslib: params with default vals must be last (guessing '' is a good default for this?)
robertplummer: What do you think guys... new feature wiki draw, default on or off?
lphuberdeau: default off
jonnyb: hi robertplummer - i agree, off to start with
robertplummer: Ok, me as well.
jonnyb: if it turns out to be a "must have" then it can be changed nearer release time?
marclaporte: <u>ricks99</u>: http://www.cmscritic.com/10-predictions-for-web-cms-in-2011/
lphuberdeau: well, on by default really means it's a benefit to everyone, I don't think such a feature fits in that category
ricks99: @marclaporte: y, seems similar to last year's :-)
robertplummer: Thanks guys!
<br> It should be under experimental, no?
jonnyb: does it work? :P
robertplummer: In theory :)
jonnyb: then i guess so :)
lphuberdeau: you don't really need to worry about the classification, someone else will
<br> especially if it does not work for them on first try
robertplummer: ok
<br> thanks!
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robertplummer: <u>luciash</u>: polom
<br> What do you guys think about phasing in draw to Tiki?
<br> phase 1, users can upload and edit from file gallery?
<br> And possibly as a plugin.
<br> plugin could be either direct input or link to file gallery.
jonnyb: sounds good robertplummer, looking forward to it! :)
<br> there may well be some overlap with the theme generator - so you can draw bits you want
robertplummer: There is also some discussion about history view.... for tiki draw :)
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: I'm going to try to do as little to it as needed for the initial phase so that we don't overlap much. We can turn off later the features we don't need... if ah, needed :)
jonnyb: sure
robertplummer: <u>jonnyb</u>: Also, I'm doing a external on lib if that is ok. There are a couple files that seem to be redundant, but nothing too big, ok?
jonnyb: ok, yes libs are good
<br> usually easiest for updates to include the whole thing
luciash: if u re-use file gallery you'll have history as archives of the files for the beginning, but loading and saving from wiki pages code would be nice too
robertplummer: gallery = good!
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changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: how is it possible to add a horiz menu over the black bar of fivealive ?
jonnyb: http://profiles.tiki.org/Top_Menu_Module
changi: thank you
jonnyb: np :)
changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: your reset button for application menu is a little too big no ?
jonnyb: oh? looked ok here (in jqui) - wot theme?
changi: fivealive
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changi: why not an icon ?
jonnyb: <u>changi</u>: looked ok to me
<br> which icon? (seems a bit dangerous)
<br> it really should only be there if you're modified that menu, but i'm still pondering how to do it (cheaply)
changi: ok in Grape it shows purple on purple
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changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: not quite readable
jonnyb: odd, it's using the {button} object i think
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dcedilotte_work: marclaporte, my new SF nick is dcedilotte. Can you give me commit rights with that nick, please. I'll be using this one for all of the tiki projects I work on.
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robertplummer: <u>jonnyb</u>: the svg-edit configs are locked up tight inside the config, and I don't see a way to extend it without editing source. What do you think I should do?
jonnyb: doesn't bode well...
<br> they're JS configs?
robertplummer: Yea, and nearly everything is there for them to extend, but it is all blocked.
<br> Everything needs to load from the url of the page.
jonnyb: can't you just override them in JS? (nothing is private)
robertplummer: Should I get file at string to page?
<br> They are externals and it is trunk for them.
<br> So yes and no, but yes complicates things.
<br> I think a could just get file as string and return it to page it would be fine, what do you think?
jonnyb: what do you mean by "and it is trunk for them"?
robertplummer: The reason it is failing is that it is in lib/svg-edit_tiki.
jonnyb: you mean include file paths etc?
robertplummer: right
jonnyb: ok, there (finally)
robertplummer: Yea, I am bad at explaining.
jonnyb: sounds odd, surely they should be using relative references
robertplummer: Yea, sounds a bit like early days of jQuery.sheet :)
jonnyb: what do you have in lib/svg-edit_tiki?
robertplummer: draw.js and draw.php, very simple files.
<br> not yet commited, I wanted to make sure that is where you wanted them.
<br> externals I mean are where we want them.
jonnyb: something ending in _tiki wouldn't normally be an external (in third_party)
<br> those are for the tiki specific files
<br> the main lib is in lib/svg-edit yes?
robertplummer: yes
<br> I can commit what I have and you can take a look if you like?
jonnyb: trying not to be distracted really... :P
<br> sounds like the svg-edit people need to open their config a bit
luciash: hmm, i cannot search and replace "[" with "[[" while editing a page...
<br> do we have to escape it ?
<br> s/we/users/
<br> atms = yes :)
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CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r32491 10/trunk/templates/ (5 files): [MOD] Not a class normal table
<br> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r32492 10/trunk/templates/ (12 files): [ENH] introduction of class on td - see http://dev.tiki.org/Templates+Best+Practices&highlight=formcolor#Tables
marclaporte: <u>dcedilotte_work</u>: done: https://sourceforge.net/users/dcedilotte
dcedilotte_work: marclaporte, merci. :)
marclaporte: keep the commits coming!
dcedilotte_work: marclaporte, I'm working on it. :)
jonnyb: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: a query about profiles yaml - we use a single space indent for child objects, but the default for Horde_Yaml::dump() is 2 - am i doing something wrong here?
marclaporte: YAML is soon to be added to CodeMirorr!
jonnyb: yay! :)
<br> any sign of codemirror being added to the {CODE} plugin?
lphuberdeau: yaml does not specify the amount of spaces
jonnyb: so i should set indent to 1 for our stuff?
lphuberdeau: some profiles use one, some use more
<br> it just has to be consistent within a profile
<br> in fact, within a code block
jonnyb: hmm, ok (yaml is weird ;) )
lphuberdeau: well, not really
<br> it just asks that you use the same indent all the time
<br> because that's what it figures out nesting from
<br> I know consitent indent may be a bit too much in tiki sometimes
jonnyb: :D
<br> i just don't like the way whitespace characters are used for structural reasons, whitespace is usually just for humans
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luciash: when is 6.2 release ?
jonnyb: next week hopefully apparently
luciash: cool
Gergely: Good evening/morning! Can someone advise me about the way and the risks of turning parsetoc off? I am tired off circumventing the ur<x>l in the trackers param.
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radek82: really? damn, im just getting comfy with 6.1
Gergely: + something: did anyone experience in 6.1 double parsing of plugins that comprise of two pieces?
marclaporte: plugin parser was re-written in Tiki7 to be much smarter for plugin within plugin.
<br> <u>radek82</u>: 6.2 will be less bugs and a few new features
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32493 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] profiles: Initial implementation of export as YAML, first part: preferences
radek82: less bugs is good :)
<br> im playing with an odd one in calendar
marclaporte: are you ready for your commit access yet?
radek82: lol, def not :)
<br> you will tell me when that time comes :P
marclaporte: hehe
<br> well, once you solve that bug, it'll be time
radek82: lol, yeah, solving it being the operative word :)
<br> but you'll hear about it here first :)
marclaporte: to make sure you are not trying to fix something which already is, you may want to run on trunk or 6.x proposals
<br> http://dev.tiki.org/get%20code#switch_to_proposals_6.x is the best
radek82: yeah, i should switch my personal site to that, no one cares if thats up or down :P
luciash: hey tiki devs, is it what we need ? → http://www.diveintojavascript.com/projects/sidjs-load-javascript-and-stylesheets-on-demand
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32494 10/trunk/lib/ (prefslib.php themegenlib.php): [FIX] notices in prefslib and themegenlib
jonnyb: <u>luciash</u>: we already have $.getScript for JS files
luciash: <u>jonnyb</u>: ok
<br> just stumbled upon it
jonnyb: and headerlib already is quite flexible for css
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luciash: we just load bunch of css (and minify) which is never used... i guess i just misunderstood purpose of the lib
<br> sorry for interruption
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jonnyb: is ok - pointers like that can be very handy :)
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jonnyb: do MS filter: progid:DXImageTransform properties in CSS validate ok?
<br> hmm, seems not
luciash: nope
CIA-83: tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r32495 10/trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs):
<br> tikiwiki: [ADD] svg edit support, initial, external to trunk (or alpha 2.6)
<br> tikiwiki: [ADD] feature_draw
<br> tikiwiki: [ADD] tiki-edit_draw.php which we will customize to Tiki
<br> tikiwiki: [ADD] A conversion script to all the remote files that they have no access to in js external
<br> tikiwiki: [ADD] Button to edit svg images to file gallery list (tiki-list_file_gallery.php + fgal_context_menu.tpl)
jonnyb: seems only -moz and -webkit only - even in css3 (for gradients)
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luciash: what does http://www.css3.info/ say ?
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luciash: wow, my Opera passed all the tests (warning, takes some minutes): http://tools.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
<br> "From the 41 selectors 41 have passed, 0 are buggy and 0 are unsupported (Passed 574 out of 574 tests)"
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: hmm, i see no gradients there: http://www.css3.info/preview/
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jonnyb: indeed - seems to be webkit and moz only :(
<br> works nicely in them though
luciash: and opera
jonnyb: is there an opera syntax?
luciash: ah, nope, sorry, opera isn't there
jonnyb: no, i would have had a go at it if it did opera too
luciash: i thought it is -o-gradient, but it isn't
jonnyb: shame
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luciash: <u>jonnyb</u>: seems it's not even in css3 draft
jonnyb: strange isn't it
luciash: ok, 7 months ago maybe it was
<br> maybe this page helps: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/gradient.html
<br> according to that page w3c syntax should be → background: linear-gradient(left top,white, black);
<br> http://css3please.com/ says it too
<br> my opera doesn't understand the rule anyway :(
jonnyb: maybe it will one day :)
<br> would be good for new jqui
luciash: yep
<br> handy page (the last one), btw :)
<br> oups, crashed my browser, just :-p