Is there an issue with the website at tiki.org today I login and I get a logout button -- when I change the page I get the login prompt again I have not been to the site for close to five years
Rinaldo, I see no issues as of now?
OK thanks
I am teaching a course this year I used to use tiki for Continuos Integration at Sun Microsystems great technology. I am having some issues with how the new version works. I used to use the list plugin to display forums on a page it is no longer working the way I used to do it
what is it exactly u want?
{LIST()}{filter categories="dps2014"} {LIST} 
show forum posts on a page?
is not returning any data
Rinaldo, I think categories should be a list of delimited category IDS not text.
oh how stupid on my part
merbster 100 pts :D
the examples was so clear
Rinaldo, No worries, not all Tiki docs are exactly straight forward :P
right that is why there were numbers in there I had thought someone was using the 1 as a category name
My concern is that if I give soem of this powert to students they will not get it it is a very powerful wiki
Rinaldo, what kind of students are we talking?
post graduate
yes but in what field :P
Computing
THey should get it fairly quick I'd say
I just an't stadn these wikis that do not have sophistication
where everyone copies and pastes the same content
I would say Tiki is so much more than just a Wiki
SJ-Jay, and me are basing a company intranet on it.
I know I used it to build Sun Grid
a clodu computing platform that predated amazon
it was a tremendous aid -- before hudson/jenkins existed I put all the artifacts from builds into it
Rinaldo I am not familiar with much of Suns tech. most companies in denmark are too small. (only SOHO level compared to US standards)
Not important
Does anyone know of a two column theme  
Two 
Rinaldo, can't you just disable one of the bars?
Is it in the module config or I do I need to do it with css
Rinaldo, I would expect it to be in Admin->Look & feel
Rinaldo, I have not used this functionality myself thogh
Have to file a bug seems like th enew module interface it does wrn you that it is experimental doesn't allow a category to be removed. I added a category and I can't  delete it no matter what I do it goes back to the top bar.
 New Forum Posts: Permission to move files requires File Galleries Admin access? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42276
polom y'all
polom ricks99 
hey ricks99 
hello, and spello. i am trying to export a bunch of pages to XML
hiya guys. will have something to send to you in a bit
but when i make it list all of my pages, check all and select perform action XML Zip, it only makes a zip-file iwth like the first 10 pages
noce!
nice*
@talin: what tiki version are you using?
ricks99: trying to figure out where i can check that
talin: Admin > General page
ricks99: thank you. it says 4.2
wow. very old (and no longer supported). suggest either upgrading to current 6.4 LTS or 7.1 and retrying. i don't even think 4.x has any error reporting options that would help pinpoint the issue
talin: see tiki.org/download for details
 Info: Upcoming TikiFests - http://info.tiki.org/article174-Upcoming-TikiFests
polom all
bolow
'lo :)
So guys, I got some work done on tracker query lib to push it more of an "api" for hooking into.
Sounds nice :)
Still some work needs done
RobertPlummer, did you commit those changes to trunk?
example: TrackerQueryLib::tracker("tracker name or id")->byName()->fields(array())->query()
Not yet, I can if you'd like to help me track down some bugs.
RobertPlummer, I don't know if I am daring enough to use the new code (I know that the current one does what I need atm).
I'd still like to see the implkementation because I was thinking about the way you call those methods (jquery style I will dub them)
lol
Probably ok to call it that.
RobertPlummer, are you just returning $this by reference in all the functions?
Yup
Why is the page with information about the next tiki fest, written in french?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37402 10/trunk/ (lib/tikiaccesslib.php tiki-admin_categories.php): [ENH]categories: be able to admin the categories you are admin wihtout having to have a global tiki_p_admin_categories
Merbster: it's multilingual. the language can be changed at the top
chealer, says no translation exists for this page
ricks99, u there? :)
Merbster: the next TikiFest meaning the one in Sherbrooke?
yes
Merbster: I changed the language property of the page. it is actually in French. there is no English version of the page
Merbster: Lookout, commit comming.
chealer, ok. 
RobertPlummer, nice :)
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37403 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] Reworked how tracker query lib works, it is now using selectable attributes rather than function callable, example:TrackerQueryLib::tracker("name or id")
Woops didn't mean to commit those other files at the same time, ouch
I pressed shift enter, thinking it'd give me a line break, instead it gave me a commit.
Off to clean up the implosion...
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37404 10/trunk/lib/modules/modlib.php: [FIX] Catch the smarty exception when compiling fails to provide better feedback.
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r37405 10/third_party/smarty3/ (10 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
tikiwiki: [UPDATE] ===== Smarty 3.0.9 =====
tikiwiki: 27/07/2011
tikiwiki: - bugfix subtemplate could use wrong varibale scope when it was recalled from
tikiwiki:  different templates
tikiwiki: 26/07/2011
tikiwiki: - bugfix experimental getTags() method did not work
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37406 10/trunk/lib/ (sheet/grid.php trackers/trackerquerylib.php): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] Added static to function "tracker"
tikiwiki: [FIX] Brought jquery sheet grid back online from overhaul of trackerquerylib
amette, grats on getting the pirate party to parliment in Berlin
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37407 10/branches/7.x/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: escape
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37408 10/trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [merge/r 37407]escape
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37409 10/branches/proposals/6.x/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [bp/r37408]escape
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37410 10/trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Definition.php: [ENH] Brought fields as ids feature to a different function, simplified existing
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37411 10/trunk/lib/modules/modlib.php: [FIX] Catch more exceptions, smarty can mess up in different ways
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37412 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Brought tracker query lib back online from Tracker Definition change
polom
gosh, the field permissions are convoluted
isHidden controls editability
Editable by tracker administrator and creator only, who can view that?
lphuberdeau: I think everybody can see but only admin and creator can see
sorry
last see is edit
chealer: polom
good morning RobertPlummer
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37413 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.money_format.php: [REF] locales are set in tiki-setup.php from r37006
Does the edit tracker items UI not support categorizing the individual items? or do you have to do that through trackerplugin params?
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37414 10/trunk/ (3 files): [FIX] tracker query lib dependency fixes
Merbster, you need to use the category tracker field, or use other means of categorization
lphuberdeau, great, thank you
chealer: this is true - about your comment about the commit for tiki_p_admin_categories
... if I have tiki_p_admin_categories acn I loose this perms if the object has special eprms?
This is truwe for non admin perm ... but for admin perm I am confused
lphuberdeau: if Perms::get('','') behaves correctly? and is fast
hum, what do you expect from that?
sorry Perms::get('category', '')
that will always give global perms with no id provided
and is it fast?
define fast?
lphuberdeau: you've got a mail
sylvieg, with no id provided, it's a cycle slower than just asking for the global one directly, but it won't make it "slow"
changi: that seems to be the expected result
hi sylvieg1. sorry, could you rephrase that?
lphuberdeau: it's a menu
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37415 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Centralize the per-field permission checks
changi: the error you see means that there is a smarty syntax error
my question are teh admin perms behaving the same way that other perms... Can I loose my admin_xxxx perm on an object if I am not an admin?
lphuberdeau: how can a menu have a smarty error ? 
.. is very tempted to use only lph routine Perms::get only
changi: menus are weird, I just made sure the error did not crash the whole site
changi|away: it's a user module
sylvieg: tiki_p_admin_categories is defined to have a global scope, so it can't be overridden per object
at least, not in trunk
and a tiki_p_admin_trackers?
sylvieg1: in general, yes, but then permissions are not too consistent
object scope
chealer: it seems to be a custom module with some perspective
just check the definitions in userlib
changi|away: possible (I have no system access)
chealer: i've just send the custom module code
on the devel lits
s/lits/list/
ouch, module within module, you're calling for trouble
I have bad experience with modules in modules
and I tend to avoid it
success depends on planatary alignments more than anything as you get a bunch of global variables getting overwritten
nice comparison lphuberdeau :)
but I think the crash is caused by img src=pics/icons/information.png alt="Note"} 
no quotes around the path, which is one of the smarty 3 subtleties
changi|away: thanks. I'm unable to login - "Erreur XMLRPC : 101 - Clé du serveur invalide"
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37416 10/trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [FIX]perms: respect order object perms then global perms: thx chealer - wondering if the best is not to user Perms:get('','') to be sure to have the same behavior
chealer: yes because of moving from on server to another
changi|away: yes, I mean thanks for unassigning the module, I can now see the site as anonymous and would try reducing to a test case, but can't login...
i'm modifing the api key, i don't know how much time the server need to take the new one
sylvieg, chealer: in trunk, the permission checking is smarter and knows what is global and what is per object, and per-object means you override the global, that is expected
you can have global admin trackers, but not on a specific one, that's a good behavior, but it may be different from what used to happen
so I can call only Perms:get($objectType, $objectId) ?
yes
ok Thx a lot
lphuberdeau: so if you ask for a permissions on an object but the permission isn't per-object, the global value is returned?
ues
yes
pretty sure I sent a mail about this around 4 months ago
good
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37417 10/trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [FIX]perms: better to use only the perms layer: thx lph
lphuberdeau: i fixed the double quote, but nothing has changed
see ya all
need to go
more tomorrow
cleared cache and all?
yep
really can't say remotely
thx lphuberdeau
sylvieg1: thanks, that's better
sylvieg1: small problem - the form to create categories is shown even if you can't
btw thx chealer: you avoid a security hole :-)
.. if you are admin for a categ you shpould be able to create a categ under
lphuberdeau: Any way to send user params via http authentication?
user params?
anything that has to do with their user name
groups, perms, anything
params = general
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37418 10/trunk/ (css/admin.css templates/admin/include_list_sections.tpl): [FIX] admin: Make the admin buttons a tiny bit smaller so you get 5 across in standard fixed width (as default). Also centre them a little better.
you want to return the user's info?
sylvieg1: I agree. apparently that's not the case currently though
category creation by non-global admin was not implemented
so the check may not be accurate
sylvieg1: the problem is the interface shows Top to create a category currently, even if you don't have global tiki_p_admin_categories
you need that to create a root category
lphuberdeau: The goal is to bring user info to bluebox for sip/xmpp login, no way of doing that as of now?
sylvieg1: two solutions - 1. revert your commit 2. check permission for Top
heeh because I forgot to commit one file
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37419 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_categories.tpl: [FIX]missing to 37402
RobertPlummer, you can write a service for that in lib/core/Services/User/Controller.php
thx chealer: I really need to be more careful
lphuberdeau: That sounds like what we want to do.
lphuberdeau: Marc will be joining us shortly with questions.
just make sure you only return the current user's info or check the admin user permission
some of that stuff may be sensitive
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37420 10/trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: 
tikiwiki: check_permission(): reformat
tikiwiki: [FIX] Colons inside translated strings
OK sylvieg1, thanks. now the only thing is the interface shouldn't offer to add a category if no parent can be selected (and the user can't create a new root category)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37421 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] clutips: Shorter delay before clutip appears. Apparently people weren't waiting long enough (thanks marclaporte)
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37422 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Deploy the field permission changes to the tracker plugin
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37423 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [FIX] jquery_ui: More suitable default ui theme to match fivealive better
lphuberdeau: Thanks, mate! :)
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37424 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Deploy tracker permission changes to tiki-view_tracker.php
do we have a function to duplicate permissions of an object
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37425 10/trunk/tiki-view_invoice.php: [FIX] removed tracker query lib as var
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37426 10/trunk/ (tiki-tracker_export_join.php tiki-tracker_reports.php): [FIX] Fixed tracker reports for new changes in tracker query lib
found it copy_object_permissions
arildb, are you around?
lphuberdeau: Yes, I am here
checking out the branch now, I might have a few questions/comments for you
lphuberdeau: ok
actually updating the branch so I can see the changes
lphuberdeau: Thanks for checking it out. I am a bit back and forth from the computer. So, if my replies come a bit slow, you know the reason...
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37427 10/trunk/tiki-admin_categories.php: [FIX]categ: if not tiki_p_admin_categories and see no categ, goto perm denied + duplicated the perms when creating a category and non admin_categories (to see it) + do not show perm icon if non admin_catwegories
RobertPlummer: is TrackerQueryLib special? why "TikiLib::lib("trkqry"); $trkqrylib = new TrackerQueryLib();" rather than "$trkqrylib = TikiLib::lib("trkqry");" ?
No, just bad coding, I will have it back to normal in a min.
Thanks chealer
OK
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37428 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Reverted new tracker query lib call
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37429 10/branches/experimental/innodb/ (67 files in 28 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 37368 to 37426
chealer, can you take a look at that code I committed?
can I have a static and non-static method that have the same name in php?
even if you can, don't
lphuberdeau: lol thanks
why not though if you mind me asking?
RobertPlummer: r37428 is good, thanks
Hey guys, where do tests go?
for instance, tests for parser lib
arildb, to be used elsewhere, don't you think those inspection utilities to get the engines and such should be in TikiDb?
alrildb, also, for future considerations, I would use a string match ('myisam' or 'innodb') rather than a boolean flag
lphuberdeau: Yes, TikiDb would probably be a good place. I have also duplicated a couple of functions (Installer and prefs). Maybe moving them to TikiDb will resolve that
most likely
string match...I don't see the context, but I have intentionally made it boolean some place. So, rule changes can be made.
Merbster, get a chance to use the new tracker query lib?
well, it's just that if this extends to other engines, the boolean is a bad pattern to start with
thanks sylvieg
lphuberdeau: why?
multiple booleans cause messy conditions
if you keep the target engine internally as a string, it's easier to add more engine variants
you can also remove some conditionals
chealer: thanks for your tests
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37430 10/trunk/tiki-admin_categories.php: [FIX] typo
for example, check if "tiki_$engine.sql" exists and running it
unrelated, but fyi. demo.tiki.org the MySQL installation behaves differently than on my local. SHOW TABLE STATUS LIKE ? works both places, but SHOW TABLE STATUS WHERE name = ? only works locally and not on the demo machine. Should be valid MySQL syntax. Any idea?
different mysql versions
the one on demo is quite old unless I am mistaken
ok
otherwise, it looks good
I'd just like to see the utilities move to TikiDb, then I think we're good to merge
sounds good
tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37431 10/trunk/lib/parser/parserlib.php: 
tikiwiki: [MOD] Use the <h#> style attribute to center headings instead of a nested <div>.
tikiwiki: This improves how numbered and centered headings are displayed and simplifies the implementation of the Visual Wiki.
I'll deal with the dynamic preference stuff after the merge
it's really not critical as the engine remains experimental
There is one thing pending. If you do a config search for "search", the "MySQL fulltext search" still appears. It shouldn't 
I did not try running the code, you get most of tiki running fine?
arildb, that might just be the index being out of date
how do you block it?
I believe I have tested most scenarios, including the updates. About the seacrh result: No, I make an explcit check in the search panel. No such check in the search. You checking dynamic preferences should hopefully solve it
ok, so it does not do anything because you did not try to get it to do anything ;)
right :-) ...pending. I am not really sure where to look. Good if you could integrate dynamic preferences.
As long as you are here, I have another question
good work
sure
I have made some reports on "Add Comment" priveleges and how they seem to ignore category privileges. Only global privileges (and object I presume) works for the pos_comment right. Any idea why?
I am working on a project where limiting comments is an issue
working with trunk?
I actually have that bug report open right now
but have not looked into it
I have tested with 6.x, 7.x and 8.0 SVN and they all have the same problem
I would only expect 8 to be different
I did the last test a few days ago
6 and 7 are supposed to use global permissions
so this is about posting comments?
yes, it only seems to apply for posting comments
comment permissions still have global scope
ok. A bit confusing, since the GUI allows category permissions to be set
really? in 8?
last time i CHECKED, YES
let me look into tht for you
thanks
hmm... someone must have undone one of my changes
tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37432 10/trunk/lib/test/editlib/ (ParseToWiki_TextTest.php ParseToWysiwyg_TextTest.php): [ENH] More tests for EditLib (need to fix numbered and centerd headings)
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37433 10/trunk/tiki-admin_categories.php: [FIX] Perm type for category is category, not all, meaning that only permissions that can actually be assigned to a category will be listed
ok, so that should fix the listing
already!...great, I will check oit out
http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5 is giving error "Fatal error: Call to a member function renderOutput() on a non-object in /home/two/dev/tiki-tracker_rss.php on line 109" causing the bot to not give your updates
fixing the permissions now, won't take long
:-)
for the listing, it was just the link that was wrong
(however, the link building should not affect that, but that's the way it was coded)
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37434 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: [FIX] Make the comment permissions available for object and category scope, rest of the code already supports it
done, make sure you flush your cache
thanks, I will do a check now
Q: Why do you limit the scope on some permission types, especially the onces that (can) apply to wiki pages?
I didn't really do much testing, it's just a matter of permission configuration
sometimes the checks are only made globally
normally, you would need more code changes to enable object permissions, but I made a ton of changes to comments a few weeks back and object permissions just had to be flipped on
the major change between 7 & 8 is that tiki no longer lies about what it can do
lol
no more lying ..sounds good!
I don't know, sounds too honest.
tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37435 10/trunk/lib/ (test/editlib/ParseToWiki_TextTest.php wiki/editlib.php): [FIX] Visual Wiki: centerd and numberd headings were not converted correctly (the number was not replaces with a #)
in the past, it would list all permissions as applicable to categories, which just isn't true
now if a permission appears there, it has all the code required to apply in a smart way, unless a programmer lied
this will solve lots of frustration...
if you check the object permissions, you'll also see comment permissions there
tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37436 10/trunk/lib/test/editlib/ParseToWiki_CharacterTest.php: [ENH] Testing of EditLib (test linebreaks within color markup)
lphuberdeau: I did a test, and it failed. My database is not fresh though. Remnents of a test I did remains. The test was: Assign all privileges globally to all including anonymous. Then create a category and revole all previleges from anonymous. Strange results....
did you clear cache?
yes
alright alright, I'll do an actual test
is there a way to export a tracker with its fields / fieldtypes? export just has field names and Ids, quickExport jast has the fieldnames and items? ref. trunk.
coaboa, go under admin fields, export is in the dropdown
on cool, somewhat hidden though ;-)
lphuberdeau: looks better on a not-so-messed-up database
arildb, seems to work
the Comments like still shows up on the page, but clicking it fails and the console shows a 403 as I would expect
lphuberdeau: looks ok on my cleaner database. I will test a little more
granting view to anonymous and not post (from category) gives me exactly what I expect to see
it might just be some permission leftovers around on your test db
try to grant all right globally to anonymous, then revoke them for anonymous for a category. Assign a page to that category and try to access the page as anonymous
could be
that's exactly my test right now
I did the same test before, but then all permissions were visible
without admin comments
yeah, before those permissions were global-only
I will reset the database and do the same test again
lphuberdeau: Now that's strange. Did the test assign all and revoke all from anonymous for a category. Strangely enough, the Comment button is not displayed, but as an anonymous user, I can see all(?) other commands on the test page
Since viewing also was revoked, I should not see the page at all
viewing on the page?
Yes, as anonymous I can view the page and most commands are present
the save failed, when I actually tried to save an update. However, I can see the edit button
strange
rename went through. Can see the history. Assign permissions also seemed to work
do you have admin_wiki granted?
that one might be global and it's in the pre-check
Let me check
tiki_p_admin_wiki is assigned globally, yes
Let me uncheck that perm and try again
cleared the cache. Still the same result
tiki_p_admin_wiki is revoked from anonymous at category level too
found something fishy
ok?
polom
Question: I am trying to list all members of a group along with their pictures (ala Facebook). Any idea on how to do this the easy way?
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37437 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] applyPermissions for wiki render was mostly broken
lphuberdeau: I integrated your latest update r37437. tiki_p_admin_wiki is not set for anonymous at global leve. Cleared the cache. Still the same result. Can see the page and most commands
gn
btw. The failure when actually saving (as anonymous) I mentioned above, was probably caused by me not entering the capcha code. Now that I did I can save fine..even without any permissions to the category the page is assigned to
lphuberdeau: are you still here?
polom
fabricius: hi
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37438 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [ENH]menu: add a class for non cssmenu to be able to style with css and not only
tikiwiki: with jq + indent the the submenus for a structure menu to avoid confusion of
tikiwiki: sublevel + todo: indent also menu that have more than 3 levels or are complex
hi luciash 
how r u?
hi, fine, tks
just discovered dan&dan on youtube :-p
luciash: it's funny or interesting?
have a link?
hiraliously funny
or hilariously, even :D
here's "their" channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/dananddanfilms
luciash:  it is funny
jaffa cakes