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nkoth|nelson: btw, oliver has fixed the intertiki pbm, so info is back
chealer: wuhu
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fabricius: hoy woohoo - just read the fix -very cool
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arildb: Hi, I am trying to call the class Tiki_Webservice in lib/webservicelib.php. If I add require_once 'lib/webservicelib.php' I get a fault "Cannot redeclare class Zend_Soap_Client". If I leave out require_once 'lib/webservicelib.php' , I get an error when calling Tiki_Webservice::getService, that Tiki_Webservice does not exist. Has anybody seen this before?
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jp_: hi there, is there any way to get added tracker id value for something like that: {TRACKER(trackerId="3",showmandatory="y",showstatus="y",embedded="y")}Task $trackerid was added.{TRACKER}
Merbster: jp_, the tracker ID will always be the same
<br> the item ID will change though
jp_: you are right, but is there any way to return item id at the end of adding operation?
Merbster: jp_, Depends.
<br> jp_, if it exists in your url param you can use wiki argument variables.
<br> jp_, http://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Argument+Variables <- more here.
<br> besides the examples given, if itemid=12 is in your url as a param you can access it by writing {{itemId}} on your wikipage
<br> But I am not entirely sure how Wiki handles the itemId in the url when saving trackers and currently I don't have the time to experiment.
<br> trackers = tracker items
jp_: I have something like http://localhost/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Add+Task&ok=y&iTRACKER=1#wikiplugin_tracker1 as output
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Merbster: jp_, I don't knwo if it's easily achievable what you are trying to do.
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Merbster: jp_, the problem is I don't know how to "grab a single value from a tracker" - in this case itemId and then outputting it to a wikipage.
<br> jp_, it can be done but you'd have to use javascript and some backend PHP code to serve the tracker data needed. It might be a bit overkill for just outputting an Item ID
jp_: you are right, I tought there is some easy way as there are itemid filters in many tracker things, and last insert id is something well used in database world
<br> you mention something that it would be easier if i have variable in page address, something like http://localhost/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Add+Task&ok=y&iTRACKER=1&itemId=10 - for example ? how to read such? {{itemId}} won't work
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Merbster: jp_, according to docs you can access $_REQUEST variables with argument variables
<br> jp_, another approach if you are not afraid of modifying your tiki
<br> is to add an argument variable yourself. But you'd still have to figure out how to fetch the newest tracker item in a specific tracker. Just by typing {{itemId}}
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fabricius: polom @all
<br> It seems, that I might have understood the principle of the profiles.t.o website
<br> I've been likling profiles anyway, but just now got time to look into making a profile by myself
<br> The app-store like approach is very cool, but I am missing an opportunity to use kind of an "external source" - for ex, if I need to do frequent installations with specific configurations including emails and such data
<br> so kind of "personal profiles", "user profiles" or "external source" would be very nice to have - what do you think?
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chibaguy: polom again
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fabricius: polom chibaguy
chibaguy: hi fabricius
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Merbster: http://dev.tiki.org/spreadsheet <- is this page screwy for anyone else?
fabricius: <u>Merbster</u>: yes - the left columns content (#col2) is starting only under the pagebottom
<br> -> firefox 3.6, ubuntu 10.10
Merbster: I just wanted to report it ^^
<br> apparantly it's impossible to copy/paste text from the page
<br> not that I need it, I just find it odd.
chibaguy: Merbster, there must be a mismatch of div open|close tags in the wikitext.
<br> That's the usual cause of this problem.
Merbster: chibaguy, thanks for filling me in :)
<br> is it possible to create a "pivot table" with trackers and actually edit the items in the trackerlist - not going to some other page. But directly where the data is shown?
chibaguy: Hmm, I don't see any div tags. Maybe a syntax change from 7 to 8 is creating a problem.
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chibaguy: ...like in the tabs wikiplugin syntax.
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chibaguy: ...or some combination of syntax like lists and plugins....
<br> I wonder how other people "debug" a broken wiki page like that. Sometimes I end up pasting the wikitext section by section into a new page until it breaks, or commenting out parts until it stops breaking, etc.
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fabricius: <u>chibaguy</u>: seems to be an appropriate (but boring and timeconsuming) way
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fabricius: TRUNK pre-9 => It seems, that I cannot include a custom module into a wikipage - just standart modules ... doies anybody know?
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chibaguy: fabricius, can you use custom modules in module zones with no problem?
Merbster: fabricius, I think you need to set it as inline before you're allowed to include custom user modules
chibaguy: Merbster, what do you mean by "set it as inline"?
Merbster: chibaguy, I remember an option in regard to custom user modules where it's allowed to be used as an inline module
<br> inline module = including it in wikipages with plugin markup
chibaguy: oh. hmm.
fabricius: <u>chibaguy</u>: I could apply the custom module in the left culomn without problem
<br> <u>Merbster</u>: *checking*
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chibaguy: <u>fabricius</u>: ok. I have a problem with custom modules in tiki 8 at one hosting company.
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Merbster: fabricius, I can't find the option in my own tiki
<br> I might have been entirely wrong
fabricius: <u>Merbster</u>: I can find it either :-D
<br> in pre-9 TRUNK the whole wikipage thing or the whole app seems to be messy (which seems OK for an early development!?)
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lphuberdeau: trunk seems stable to me
<br> no major changes were announced on dev that would indicate some instability, so it should be stable
fabricius: I have major problems on editing/creating the first wikipage, but I made up a profile, that could maybe mess up things
lphuberdeau: try replicating on a clean install
fabricius: Ok, the first problem is solved -> cleared cache and then custom module on wiki page works
Merbster: fabricius, whenever you change a custom user module you need to clear the cache
fabricius: <u>Merbster</u>: Thx - I think one day I will remind these frequent Error 40 issues - finally this time I just remembered before I had to do fresh installs
Merbster: fabricius, with all the fresh installs you do, you must be in training for it ;)
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fabricius: <u>Merbster</u>: yes, I am good trained in Error 40 - got familiar to a few of them ;-)
<br> <u>Merbster</u>: but now, as I looked into the profiles thing, I reckon, that the fresh installs will become much faster - especially the configurations part after the initial installation
<br> and another thing to become quicker would be to become more familiar with linux shell scripting
<br> just some easy snippets and I could copy/paste or so all the chmod stuff and save another 5 minutes
<br> ans unpacking via shell should be quicker than via webpanel aswell
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<br> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r38627 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Usability on adding markers from map
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Merbster: Does anyone know if a clever person created a "Stakeholder analysis" jquery plugin or the like?
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lphuberdeau: Merbster, what would that do?
Merbster: lphuberdeau, there's this concept. I think it's called a "stakeholder analysis" in english
lphuberdeau: I believe I know what that is
Merbster: it's the different stakeholders in a projekt and their ability to affect the project
lphuberdeau: I have no idea how that would relate to jquery
Merbster: if somebody made a jquery plugin that does this :P
<br> also I added "or the like" beacuse I have no idea what to call this.
lphuberdeau: I don't know what the plugin would do
Merbster: let me see if I can find an example
chibaguy: I think stakeholder analysis is maybe related to SWOT as in http://tiki.org/SWOT
Merbster: chibaguy, the graphical representation is about the same yes. Allthough the Sterngths, weaknesses etc. would be "floating bubbles" that the user should be able to drag around
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chibaguy: so the jquery plugin produces the graphic, given some data?
Merbster: that was my idea yes.
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Merbster: I would use trackers to store the data.
<br> for easy re-use other places etc.
<br> the stakeholders you can choose from could come from a contactlist tracker for instance.
<br> Should this be an individual plugin?
<br> or could it be added to some functionality allready touching on this subject?
lphuberdeau: well, probably would not be a feature in tiki per say (really too specific), but it could use other features
Merbster: lphuberdeau, I haven't started building this yet. and it has to be done properly this. I don't think I can hack tiki in any way to actually make it userfriendly and robust enough.
<br> So a plugin would be the way to go?
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nkoth|nelson: Merbster sounds like a plugin yes
Merbster: makes me happy
<br> I know how to make those :D
lphuberdeau: I added a module to create tracker items if that can help
nkoth|nelson: I wouldn't call it stakeholder though - something more generic would work
Merbster: nkoth|nelson, I agree.
<br> Alot of analysis models use the crossed axis approach
nkoth|nelson: you should ask robertplummer if his reports feature can do what you describe though - although I think it is a little differnt
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Merbster: lphuberdeau, I thought it was in trackerlib allready?
<br> Or does yours handle updating items also?
lphuberdeau: UI/Ajax controls for it
Merbster: oh.
<br> great :)
<br> I will keep that in mind for when I start work on this
lphuberdeau: you might not use the module directly, but the ajax call to create items is most useful ;)
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Merbster: That's nice lphuberdeau - I will definately use it when I get to it.
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Merbster: I am using the relations field type. I need to store data about the whole tracker and it's contents. it's a Yes/No field that is relevant for all the tracker items in a tracker with a given category.
<br> What I am trying to achieve is to "join" the Yes/No item on all the tracker items that has same category as the Yes/No item.
<br> So that if I change Yes to No on ONE of the items, it will reflect on all the items in that same category.
<br> what puzzles me is, what am I supposed to write in the filter field of the relations tracker field type. To make it match items on category?
<br> can I reference the fields in the two trackers I am trying to join
<br> by doing for examples f_402 = f_502 ?
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Merbster: no one?
fabricius: <u>Merbster</u>: afaik you can reference the fields of two trackers - but how i do not know offhand
Merbster: fabricius, I can reference fields from trackers allright. But I need to join 1 item from Tracker X on several items from Tracker Y
<br> If they are in the same category
lphuberdeau: <u>Merbster</u>: RobertPlummer might be able to help you out with this as it requires a new feature he has been working on
Merbster: lphuberdeau, but can't the relation field type do this allready?
lphuberdeau: well, you can create the relationship
Merbster: But it will render wrong?
lphuberdeau: item link did this too, except that relation is multiple to multiple rather than many to one
<br> the fields render fine on their own
<br> but joining in the relational sense is not a feature of trackers
Merbster: hmm.
<br> I store several items in Tracker Y. These items are only relevant if the user has picked "Yes" in a drop down menu
<br> I need to save the selection in the dropdown menu. So that if User A marks it as "Yes" it will still display Yes when user B enters the same page.
<br> I am planning on using jquery to hide/show the relevant fields.
<br> So as long as I can save a Yes/No and categorize it. I can use it. I don't even need it shown in relation to the items in tracker Y.
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chealer: polom
fabricius: re - polom
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nkoth|nelson: lphuberdeau, I ran into something non urgent but just wondering if you think there is a quick fix. Basically I tried to nest LIST plugins and the output of the inner one got html encoded... what do you think?
lphuberdeau: could it just be missing ~np~ around the return value?
<br> it's not something I tried myself
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fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: as I understood your mail, you did fix the php issue (error on saving) - so I like to update the instance, but I have no SVN-Update capability on my webhost
<br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: would you recommend me to just update a certain file, or how I can get the actual very very last version (on sourceforge directly) or should I best wait for tomorrows Daily Build?
lphuberdeau: <u>fabricius</u>: you decide how you manage your installations
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shaun_: It would be great if i could configure tikiwiki to allow each user to have their own private wiki, blog, file gallery etc. as well as having shared pages among the users. Is there a better way to structure groups and permissions to support this? or is there a way to enable permissions to support the ability to lock out certain users from certain pages? For example. Say i wanted to just jot down my expenses and finances, i don't wa
<br> temporarily as needed.
lphuberdeau: <u>shaun_</u>: it's tricky, permissions are based on groups, so you would need one group per user
shaun_: Thats what i was fearing.
lphuberdeau: creation is always a bit of an issue as global permissions apply until object permissions are assigned or added to a category
shaun_: I just thought I would ask, just in case there was something I didn't know about.
lphuberdeau: the situation is improving, but it takes time
fabricius: btw. I need something like that only for tracker - a website, where each user gets his own userspecific preconfigured tracker, only he can see and edit -> could that be done with a usertracker/ userregistrationstracker?
<br> I do NOT mean a trackeritem in a tracker, but a complete tracker, preconfigured as a copy of a default tracker
lphuberdeau: kind of the same issue
<br> although since it's limited to a tracker, it makes it a little easier
shaun_: and another question along the same lines... wiki is using ldap for users. is there a way to automatically assign permissions based on memberships in ldap? like if i had an engineering group. if wiki saw that in ldap, it would place them into the user group "engineering"
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chealer: hi changi, are you there?
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aasorg: is the tiki site experiencing tech difficulties?
nkoth|nelson: looks good to me. which site?
aasorg: tiki.aas.org
nkoth|nelson: tiki.aas.org? is that your site?
pascalstjean: doesn't look like a tiki (community) site
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sylvieg: nkoth|nelson: you are the one that developed anniversary from group expiration? Does it make sense to extend to expiration at a precise date... I need : can be a member until 1/1/2015 whenever the user goes in
nkoth|nelson: sylvieg yes
sylvieg: ok thanks
nkoth|nelson: extend to expiration to precise date
<br> I was thinking about that, one sec
<br> <u>sylvieg</u>: at first I was thinking maybe for that case we willuse a 8 digit anniversary (right now if 2 digit is is a monthly, and if 4 digit, it is a an annual)
<br> but then the question comes about what happens after the anniversary passed
sylvieg: I need also something like you give a code that is in a tracker and you are in the group that is associated to the code until a specific date that is also associated to the code (via the item of the code) Is there something around like this?
nkoth|nelson: and obviously there is no way in that kind of fixed date situation for the user to extend/get more than 1 period
<br> so there are a lot of complications/unanswered questions
sylvieg: what questions?
nkoth|nelson: such as 1) what happens after the fixed end date? 1/1/ 2015, when is the next date?
sylvieg: the term anniversary will be a little strange - but .... we can do expiration date and implement like anniversary
nkoth|nelson: is the user allowed to subscribe more than one period at a time?
sylvieg: ah becasue anniversary, he can buy 3 months for instance in one shot
<br> ?
nkoth|nelson: <u>sylvieg</u>: yes, if the anniversary is monthly, he can buy x months at one shot. and if it is annual he can buy x years at one shot.
<br> the first month (or year) is prorated possibly.
<br> <u>sylvieg</u>: in your use case, it is different right? Becasue you talk about code.
<br> it sounds more like a "validity period"
sylvieg: yes
nkoth|nelson: and there is no extension of this period, right?
<br> If expired, he just get a different code?
sylvieg: yes (or the admin can extend the code ... but mainly yes
<br> it is to give access to any member of a company to a fgal when the company has paid for one year of syupport
nkoth|nelson: why not use anniversaries then if the support is 1 year periods?
sylvieg: it can be 3 years..
nkoth|nelson: I see...
<br> well, right now there is no way to set the expiry of a "group" in the tracker like you describe. What I used in the tracker is just the ingroups field and also the category<->group sync feature to categorize the tracker item in certain categories with the group names
<br> However, I did think of maybe the possibllity of having a way to set multi year anniversary,e .g. 1/1/2012, 1/1/2015, 1/1/2018
<br> basically add another parameter
<br> the anniversary can be set as 0101 (which is 1 Jan), an another parameter can specify that it repeat every 3 and starts in 2012, e.g. 3:2012, or something like that
<br> or maybe 2 separate parameter, one to specify the "3" and another to specify the "2012"
<br> then the anniversary calculation can take into account this.
<br> That is as far as I thought about it.
sylvieg: :-)
nkoth|nelson: the calculation is in $userlib->get_extend_until_info (you probably look there already), and I would add the new handling there if doing it this way
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teezett: hi i am new to tikiwiki, just trying to get it work
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