[00:05] deeku I have a large number of files in a CDN and want to list those files in a file gallery in tiki, can I do it without uploading them to the web server?
[00:42] marclaporte deeku: this is your lucky day
[00:43] marclaporte welll
[00:43] marclaporte you don't want to store in Tiki?
[00:43] marclaporte so not so lucky day then :-)
[00:44] marclaporte Tiki9 permits to fetch files from URLs via profiles: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=41711
[00:49] marclaporte So you could run a profile to fetch all those files and put in the Tiki file gallery
[00:49] marclaporte but I sense that you want a phantom file gallery
[00:51] deeku Phantom gallery is correct. I have about 2 TB of video which I want tiki to manage permissions for, but the videos can not be stored either in the db or on the web server...
[00:52] marclaporte http://doc.tiki.org/Content+delivery+network feature won't help either
[00:52] marclaporte how many videos? (approx)
[00:53] deeku I am trying to use tiki for a video on demand service actually and would ideally like to get one of the gurus here to do it on contract but no one seems to be interested so far.
[00:53] deeku 1400 videos
[00:55] marclaporte video on demand: sounds like a Jonny B thing ;-) http://tiki.org/UserPagejonnybradley
[00:55] deeku wrote to him yesterday...
[00:56] deeku Rackspace CDN has a TempURL feature whicgh could help.
[00:56] marclaporte Maybe you could have a bunch of wiki pages with links and use http://doc.tiki.org/PluginGroup and page permissions to hide the links?
[00:56] deeku http://docs.rackspace.com/files/api/v1/cf-devguide/content/Create_TempURL-d1a444.html
[00:57] deeku I am now trying to figure out how best to call the Rackspace Cloud Files REST services from tiki
[00:58] marclaporte For payments, and showing content to certain groups, you could use:  http://doc.tiki.org/Payment#Membership_Management
[00:58] deeku Yes, I was planning to use this.
[00:58] marclaporte Please see: http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2012/05/13/amazon-cloudfront-now-supports-dynamic-content/
[00:59] deeku But the client wants a 'cyber wallet' from whch money is deducted every time a video is watched.
[01:00] marclaporte So then, you want: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+User+Credits
[01:01] deeku thanks, will see t but video delivery was the easy part - see http://privatead.net.in/video/index.htm
[01:02] deeku User Credits would work too.
[01:02] deeku I am so excited, tiki has 99% of the features for a video on demand service alreay built in.
[01:02] marclaporte What format are the videos in?  What is used for streaming?
[01:03] deeku the videos are in mp4, though we are not particular. Flowplayer is current used for streaming
[01:03] marclaporte Did you look into/consider Kaltura?
[01:03] RobertPlummer marclaporte: I'm not around too much right now, but wondering if you have looked at the jison parser at all, think it is in beta yet?
[01:04] RobertPlummer Since my last commit that is.
[01:04] marclaporte RobertPlummer: I will svn up now
[01:04] deeku yes, Kaltura is being considered but we have most of it working without it too.
[01:05] marclaporte deeku: I find it very motivating that Tiki has 99% of the features you need!
[01:05] RobertPlummer If we can find like 1 bug a day, or even every couple days, it takes about 10-20 minutes at most to fix them, pretty soon we will have a robust flexible parser.
[01:06] deeku the concern with Kaltura is that it might limit scalibility - with Rackspace Cloud Files (and their specially crafted streaming URL) the entire service could run off tiki with the heavy lifting left to the cloud
[01:06] RobertPlummer Kaltura runs on the user's system, so it is like reverse cloud, no?
[01:07] RobertPlummer Using the client's pc's is very similar to having a huge server handle all the processing.
[01:07] deeku Correct, Robert
[01:07] deeku A bit like Skype :-)
[01:07] RobertPlummer Or rather a group of servers.
[01:07] RobertPlummer (cloud)
[01:07] RobertPlummer :)
[01:08] RobertPlummer ok, marclaporte I'm out, email me some bugs to chew on.
[01:08] marclaporte tks RobertPlummer!
[01:08] deeku Robert, would you be interested in taking over this project? How much would you charge?
[01:08] marclaporte deeku & Robert : you can negotiate in private :-)
[01:09] RobertPlummer deeku, robert@tiki.org
[01:09] deeku yes, we will do that.
[01:09] marclaporte Deeku:  Nelson Ko also has some experience in this area.  Which is why/how Tiki Credits was developped
[01:09] deeku thanks - mail going out now.
[01:09] RobertPlummer deeku: I will be away for a bit, family time, but probably tomorrow I can get back with you.
[01:09] RobertPlummer thanks guys!
[01:10] deeku great, look foward to that.
[01:10] marclaporte So Deeku: How to protect the URLs of the streaming?
[01:10] marclaporte Say user A shares with user B?
[01:10] deeku Protect URLs with
[01:10] deeku http://docs.rackspace.com/files/api/v1/cf-devguide/content/Create_TempURL-d1a444.html
[01:11] marclaporte ok, I see
[01:11] deeku its perfect for what we need
[01:11] marclaporte deeku: your video is making me hungry.  I think I'll get Indian food for dinner. Some nice Vindaloo!   :-)
[01:11] deeku To use this I need to fugire out a way to call the RST api as soon as the visitor selects the video
[01:12] deeku Wish there was a way to upload that from here
[01:12] marclaporte deeku:  is it intentional that I can't FF the video?
[01:13] deeku FF: yes - this is ad supported so FF is disabled, you can pause and rewind
[01:13] deeku new tiki site: http://www.privatead.net.in - is it too ugly?
[01:15] marclaporte About TempURL (http://docs.rackspace.com/files/api/v1/cf-devguide/content/TempURL-d1a4450.html)   This concept exists as: http://doc.tiki.org/Tokens
[01:16] deeku tokens, yes, but not quite: with tokens the CDN URL of the video will not be hidden. If someone accesses this directly, he will bypass our billing.
[01:17] deeku However, if tiki were handling the video as part of a file gallery, it would work just fine.
[01:20] marclaporte right...
[01:21] marclaporte Will you make a social site around the videos?
[01:21] marclaporte comments, ratings, etc.
[01:22] deeku yes, that has been planned.
[01:22] deeku The video content is in a language called Bengali, the regional language in this part of India
[01:23] deeku the target group is quite small and geographically limited.
[01:24] deeku social media marketing would help, but 90% of the visitors will be from the five cities in West bengal.
[01:25] deeku We did a campaign for a similar web service by putting up kiosks outside shopping malls and multiplexes - we got 100,000 registrations in a month. :-)
[01:27] marclaporte wow!
[01:27] marclaporte so there is interest big time!
[01:27] marclaporte Thus, you want to scale ;-)
[01:28] deeku hmm, exactly.
[01:32] marclaporte http://www.privatead.net.in is OK
[01:32] deeku thanks
[01:33] marclaporte page missing: http://www.privatead.net.in/tiki-index.php?page=Contact%20Us
[01:33] deeku wanted it to lok different but I think we went a bit over the top. It is 42 degrees celcius in the shade here.
[01:33] deeku Yes, even the about us page and the pricing. The site has not been launched it.
[01:34] marclaporte ok
[01:34] marclaporte bottom logos are not too nice
[01:34] marclaporte I would remove them and just keep subtle powered by tiki
[01:34] deeku ok, will do.
[01:35] marclaporte Suggest to activate Short URLs
[01:35] deeku ok.
[01:36] marclaporte For a long time, I have hoped for content monetization to encourage content creators
[01:36] marclaporte I was/an disappointed micro-payments didn't become a big thing
[01:36] deeku How are you planning to do that?
[01:37] deeku micro-payments: yes
[01:37] marclaporte well pretty much like what we discussed earlier. For pay content
[01:38] marclaporte via subscription or User Credits, etc.
[01:38] marclaporte Ex.: a music band has a site, and you have some free content.  More free stuff when you register, and you have private sections for subscribers only
[01:39] marclaporte A direct relationship between the artist/creator and the fans/readers/etc.
[01:41] deeku Yes, but the current trend is that ad networks create a layer of seperation by making it appear easy and lucrative to earn via their services
[01:42] marclaporte If it adds value, that's great!
[01:42] marclaporte But there should be an easy way to do directly
[01:42] deeku this must change the way app development has changed the marketing strategy for software developers who develop for mobile devices.
[01:43] deeku Easy way to do it directly - tiki supports banners but somehow this has not been highlightd in this context
[01:46] marclaporte Ever heard of Khan Academy?
[01:47] deeku one of the slants tiki can take is to make managing members / customers / relations (as part of the CRM features?) oriented towards content monitisation
[01:47] deeku Salman Khan - fantastic!
[01:47] marclaporte Right! :-)
[01:50] marclaporte Tiki10 will have a new ScreenCast feature. You can see sneak peak here: http://tv.tiki.org/tiki-kaltura_video.php?mediaId=1_or0om3n6
[01:51] deeku looking...
[01:52] marclaporte So I could envisage someone having a fremium webinar model with Tiki.  And indeed http://doc.tiki.org/Banners could be part of the mix
[01:54] deeku Doable.
[01:54] marclaporte By making it easy to make webinars (no special tools, all in the browser), we could imagine a market place of people making teaching material
[01:55] arildb marclaporte: Can Kaltura show local video file, or even from the FileGallery? ...or is only video at the Kaltura server shown?
[01:56] marclaporte only video from Kaltura
[01:56] arildb ok
[01:56] marclaporte But there is an HTML5 player which could easily be tweaked to do all kinds of things
[01:56] deeku and if that could be exported to some of the popular LMSs, it will help address an exisitng pain point.
[01:57] marclaporte deeku: I am working hard for Tiki become a 1st class LMS
[01:57] deeku ok, but a LMS solution requires the following for education institutions to adopt it:
[01:58] deeku customization, traning, preset workflows and content (most important)
[02:00] deeku Corporates with less robust LMSs have made inroads deu to their strength in customization
[02:01] deeku you will need an army of tiki LMS consultants who can customise if it has to compete as a LMS
[02:02] marclaporte 1st target is corporate training/e-learning
[02:03] deeku ok.
[02:03] marclaporte Content: we are good.    Quizzes need some TLC and then, we need better tracking of results (who passed what quiz)
[02:04] marclaporte I think traditional school system has tried to do what Ford did for cars
[02:04] marclaporte It perhaps was the best approach before, but there are way better ways now
[02:05] deeku quiz / certification / assessment - see
[02:05] marclaporte In a typical classroom,  part of the students are lost (and ashamed, etc.)
[02:05] deeku http://cba.indiax.com
[02:05] marclaporte Another part is bored because things are moving too slowly
[02:05] deeku I agree
[02:07] marclaporte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Khan_(educator)  Salman Khan has the recipe:  http://www.ted.com/talks/salman_khan_let_s_use_video_to_reinvent_education.html
[02:08] deeku As part of Internet Society ( http://www.isoc.org/ ) we focus on the 'next billion' internet users.
[02:08] marclaporte So I want to make Tiki become a great platform to make your own �Khan Academy
[02:09] marclaporte I can't see anything at http://cba.indiax.com
[02:09] deeku A lofty goal and tiki has almost everything (again the 99%) required to acheive this.
[02:09] deeku cba.indiax.com - sorry, wrong URL, forget it.
[02:10] marclaporte arildb: if you want to show a video from Tiki File Gallery, you can use: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginMediaPlayer
[02:11] arildb yes
[02:14] deeku But if a marketplace was added so that the content creator could earn for this efforts, if he wanted to, it would attract a much wider group of people
[02:14] arildb I got that working for mp4, but swf files still fail to load from the File Gallery
[02:14] marclaporte deeku:  I am on the board of ISOC for my province, but obviously, our concerns are a bit different here :-)
[02:14] deeku arildb - see http://mhsforgirls.edu.in - it has tiki showing video for all devices in HTML5 with fallback.
[02:14] arildb It's also a bit annoying that mp4 video is displayed in QuickTime, and QuickTime doesn't have full-screen viewing (in the free version, as I understand).
[02:14] arildb deeku: checking
[02:14] deeku Yes, I thought you were. And I seem to recall you know raj too.
[02:15] deeku wow-small world
[02:18] arildb deeku: I looked at the video below "MHS Virtual Tour". Is the embedded video mp4 format? not using QuickTime and has fullscreen capability...better
[02:19] deeku The video is in three different formats and loads according to device used. I would be happy to share the code for this.
[02:20] arildb so, not using a standard Tiki plugin, or?
[02:21] deeku {HTML()}
[02:22] arildb right ... I'd be interested in the code
[02:22] marclaporte arildb:  for swf, use PluginFlash
[02:22] marclaporte or is that what you meant?
[02:23] arildb marclaporte: My comment was that I have been unable to play swf files from the FileGallery. I don't think that's possible with the Flash player either.
[02:25] deeku arildb - see http://www.calport.com/video.txt
[02:25] arildb deeku: thanks
[02:25] marclaporte hmmmm, well I am surprised, and if indeed broken, I predict that this will need to be solved very soon.   jCapture natively saves .swf, which will go to the File Gallery (preferably stored in FS) and we need it to play in wiki pages
[02:27] arildb please try it. I am running Windows. Maybe different on other systems
[02:28] deeku The browser is also important
[02:28] arildb I think the usage of jquery media is recent. The scaling of embedded video is also poor. I fixed up the QuickTime scaling, with an ad-hoc like solution
[02:29] arildb deeku: I tried FF and Opera ..and I think Chrome too
[02:29] deeku Ie is the troublemaker
[02:29] arildb didn't try that
[02:31] marclaporte arildb: I confirm the bug: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/Flash_from_File_Gallery
[02:31] deeku arildb - hope it all works out; marc, lovely chatting with you. Got to go, bye all.
[02:31] marclaporte deeku:  take care!
[02:32] arildb bye
[02:34] arildb marclaporte: confirmed good. Another problem with swf video is that it doesn't scale. Try linking a swf video and resize the view area. Problem with large video, which doesn't scale doen.
[02:39] marclaporte Ok, I see
[02:40] marclaporte FlowPlayer license is not appropriate for Tiki: http://flowplayer.org/download/
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[02:41] arildb marclaporte: flowplayer is nice. Too bad with the license
[02:42] arildb deeku's solution to use the HTML plugin with the html5 video tag, seems to work well
[02:42] marclaporte :-)
[02:42] marclaporte food.  bbl
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[12:54] chibaguy Should Tiki use "responsive web design"
[12:54] chibaguy by default, or is having the mobile profile enough?
[12:55] chibaguy Thinking about earlier discussions of CSS frameworks. Seems like to think about that now, you need to think about responsive frameworks (columns rearrange themselves depending on display size, etc.).
[12:56] mose mobile format won't fit on tablets
[12:56] mose responsive is the only way to survive3
[12:56] mose heya chiba
[12:56] chibaguy Ah, hi mose. Nice to have contact again.
[13:00] chibaguy I think maybe our basic layout method needs to be modernized, but don't really know the path yet.
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[13:02] mose would probably be a huge work
[13:04] chibaguy yep
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