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[01:13] fcpd Tikiwiki 9:  Google Maps requires API key.  These have been depreciated.  The old one I had for mediawiki doesn't even work.  Leaving blank does not either.  Suggestions?  Thanx
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[09:35] g0th_ moin
[09:35] g0th_ how can I change the homepage before login?
[09:36] g0th_ e.g. I'd like to have the logo and login in the center (I guess the login screen as home would be fine)
[09:37] g0th_ the logo uses an image from a file gallery, so not logged in users have problems to handle it...
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[10:16] Jyhem g0th_: the logo must be in a file gallery which gives tiki_p_download permission to Anonymous
[10:23] g0th_ it is in the main file gallery
[10:23] g0th_ and I added the logo object to the public category
[10:23] g0th_ the public category has tiki_p_download permission
[10:23] g0th_ for everyone
[10:28] g0th_ hmm I still cannot see it, do I need something else?
[10:33] g0th_ anonymous and registered have no permissions whatsoever (except for logo, which I changed manually), I would like to show the login screen for anonymous users (with logo), I would like to have some kind of registration tracker with some "send to admin" button for registered users (i.e. some kind of page used to configure the user), the admin should somehow be informed of this request, he can...
[10:33] g0th_ ...then assign the user to a certain group (e.g. users), everything in group users gets shown the standard page essentially. An alternative way would be the following: registered gets to a page where it says: "ask the admin to assign you to a group", users/editors/whatever will then first see a tracker form to fill in details, once they have done this the main page is shown by default instead....
[10:34] g0th_ at the moment anonymous doesn't see the logo and it says "Please login, permission denied"
[10:35] g0th_ how do I change the homepage for anonymous users?
[10:44] g0th_ ok, I kind of solved the anonymous part, how can I configure the "registered" homepage? for homepages I want: anonymous: login screen, registered: some kind of information setup page, essentially no wiki pages yet, guest -> user -> editor, for guest, user, editor: main wiki page, at the last the admin page
[10:44] g0th_ I guess I should use group homepages but there is no documentation about it, is this the {GROUP ...} {GROUP} thing?
[10:45] g0th_ Also I'm not sure how I can make a registration resp. login tracker that only shows until the user added all information
[10:46] g0th_ all those problems originate from the fact that users don't register when I use LDAP :(
[10:46] g0th_ nobody around :(
[11:11] g0th_ anyone? these issues are driving me crazy. The logo still doesn't show even though I set tiki_p_download for the public category and added the logo image to public and each time I login it asks me to save the logo and I have to press login twice
[11:11] g0th_ wth is going on?
[11:15] fidel seems like a silent day ;)
[11:16] fidel g0th_: sorry cant help you as i havent messed around with ldap etc so far
[11:20] g0th_ the last question?
[11:21] g0th_ I have  a logo storred in a file gallery, the logo is assigned to the public category which has tiki_p_download_permission for anonymous
[11:21] g0th_ the main page has a logo module without any restrictive group settings
[11:22] g0th_ I also set the option that anonymous should be directed to the login screen on permission denied
[11:22] g0th_ however I still don't see the logo and when I login it asks me to save the logo
[11:22] g0th_ why does it do that?
[11:23] g0th_ the logo image source is .../tiki-download_file.php?fileId=7
[11:34] g0th_ :(
[11:45] g0th_ wasted over 2h on this
[12:06] g0th_ when wysiwyg is on by default I get: "Thank you for trying the new ckeditor implementation for Tiki 6 Some of your preferences should be set differently for this to work at its best. Please click this to apply the recommended profile: WYSIWYG_6x" in calendar.
[12:07] g0th_ hmm and I can't use wysiwyg in custom modules???
[12:22] g0th_ is there another irc channel?
[12:28] arildb hi g0th_
[12:28] arildb trhis is the tikiwiki irc channel
[12:29] arildb about the logo and the filegallery
[12:30] arildb maybe you want to extract this logo from the filegallery and place it directly in the filesystem. Then you don't get into any permission problems
[12:30] arildb about using wysiwyg
[12:30] arildb it requires the profile. Needs only be run once.
[12:32] arildb group homepages...this is not the same as the {GROUP} plugin. When group homepages are enabled you can set these in the admin-group editor (if I recall right)
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[12:54] jonnyb p o l o m
[12:55] Bsfez ding dong !
[12:56] jonnyb hi Bsfez
[13:00] Bsfez The morning communication around image/toolbar is interesting
[13:00] Jyhem polom
[13:01] jonnyb hi Jyhem
[13:07] Jyhem hi jonnyb
[13:07] Jyhem I just read the toolbar discussion, but then I realise it's about wysiwyg, so not enough practice to have an opinion
[13:08] jonnyb it's for both editors
[13:11] Jyhem Oh, right. It looked like there was not so much to me, but yes, they are all there :-(
[13:12] jonnyb the tools themselves "know" whether they go on normal or wysiwyg or both
[13:15] Jyhem How could we remove anchor? It's the only way of doing an external link. It would need to be merged with "wiki link" before it can be considered for removal
[13:16] jonnyb oh? you use anchor for that? (maybe i do too)
[13:17] jonnyb no, i use the "link" one for links :P
[13:17] Jyhem anchor is the [http://example.com|external link], plus we use external links for whichever internal link is not towrds a wiki page. So… pretty useful
[13:18] jonnyb which i thought was one of the defaults
[13:18] jonnyb agreed, but i have one that does that - the icon is world_link.png
[13:19] jonnyb in fact "anchor" is wysiwyg only
[13:20] Jyhem Ahhh, I was confised (looking at wiki toolbar)
[13:20] Jyhem I thought you wanted to remove "External link"
[13:21] jonnyb yes, it's confusing (must be a tiki feature! ;) )
[13:21] jonnyb no no
[13:22] Jyhem Then we agree. If I can't remember what anchor is for, it must be useless :)
[13:23] Jyhem I have less strong feelings, but the "unparsed" icon is pretty useful in a wiki page. All those [] when cut-pasting IRC logs, or mails, etc. I often need a quick un-parsing
[13:24] g0th_ re
[13:24] g0th_ the logo is already on the filesystem
[13:24] g0th_ but still in a file gallery
[13:24] g0th_ so you suggest to move it to the fs manually (from the webserver)?
[13:24] Jyhem "Thank you for trying the new ckeditor implementation for Tiki 6" ← in Tiki 9 :-(
[13:25] arildb g0th_: yes, if you place the image file, say in the tiki image folder - not in the FileGallery, you will avoid permission problems
[13:25] Jyhem g0th_: have you cleared caches? what does anonymous see when you access the image directly ?
[13:26] jonnyb hi g0th_ is it in a file gallery by default? i don't see it
[13:26] jonnyb Jyhem: not hard to fix? ;)
[13:27] g0th_ lemme try both
[13:27] jonnyb should just warn if the prefs are set wrong i guess
[13:31] Jyhem Well, that something else that bothers me: it claims my prefs are wrong but it does not say which. It just suggests a Tiki6 profile which I have no idea what it will do :-( Am i glad my current client did not want wysiwyg :)
[13:32] jonnyb ues, wysiwyg needs more helpers :(
[13:35] g0th_ arildb: group homepage => nice, OK, wysiwyg: hmm, I choose to make a custom homepage, not to use a profile, so how would I configure a profile without ruining everything?
[13:35] Jyhem Most wysiwyg fans are the very people who can't help, sadly :-(
[13:35] g0th_ it is not for me, it is for the people that will use it later on
[13:35] g0th_ (I think they prefer wysiwyg)
[13:36] Jyhem I can guess. I was talking to jonnyb on that one
[13:36] arildb g0th_: To initialize wysiwyg, I normally start to edit a dummy page and run the profile (6.x) when prompted
[13:36] g0th_ about the logo: I made a category "Public", I set file download permission and wiki  view permission for everyone, I added the file from the file gallery to that category
[13:37] g0th_ arildb: won't that change my whole website?
[13:37] arildb g0th_: I haven't experienced any bad side effects when running the profile.
[13:38] jonnyb g0th_: it sets a couple of minor paragraph handling prefs to something sensible (they default to being weird for historical reasons)
[13:44] g0th_ the image is tiki-download_file.php?fileID=7
[13:45] g0th_ I would really prefer to use file directories
[13:45] g0th_ because I have no root access to the server, in particular it is a real pain to change the permission of files to the user apache
[13:46] g0th_ anyway, the image is not shown, even though it is part of the category "Public" which has tiki download file permissions set for anonymous
[13:49] arildb g0th_: The Tiki permission hierarchy is: global/group -> category -> object. Object overrides category, which overrides global. Maybe you have an override problem. Anyhow, I think for the logo case, you'd be better of placing the image directky in the file system and not in the file gallery
[13:50] g0th_ ok
[13:51] g0th_ the only way to set the user permission accordingly is by sudo chown -R apache.w3backup on the whole /var/www/ essentially
[13:51] g0th_ but I guess that's ok anyway
[13:53] arildb g0th_: All users should be able to read images from the tiki image folder. Should be no need to adjust permissions
[13:53] g0th_ first I try to create a file gallery (so far I used top)
[13:53] g0th_ hmm ok I try
[13:58] g0th_ hmm, I somehow got it to work
[14:09] g0th_ ok it works now, I assigned a whole file gallery (named public)  to the category "public" and added the image to that, now it works
[14:11] Jyhem so filegal-wide categorisation works, but item-specific category  failed. Strange
[14:11] Jyhem Do we have a mass group import ?
[14:12] Jyhem It seems we can only create groups by importing a user
[14:13] * Jyhem grabs something to eat
[14:17] g0th_ maybe I didn't really do item-specific category
[14:18] RobertPlummer polom all
[14:18] g0th_ what I did pefore was: I clicked on "properties" (for the image/file), under properties I could choose a category
[14:18] g0th_ but maybe that's not the same as assigning the category to the object
[14:18] g0th_ dunno, in any case it works now :) (finally after 3-4 hours ;)
[14:19] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Did you see: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/Wiki/List.php?revision=42187&view=markup
[14:20] Bsfez hi Robert
[14:20] RobertPlummer Hi Bsfez
[14:20] jonnyb hi RobertPlummer - briefly (not in detail - panic mode continues here!)
[14:21] RobertPlummer jonnyb: client woes?
[14:21] RobertPlummer I'm somewhat out of the loop if it is tiki under fire.
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[14:58] RobertPlummer Anybody hear of blade login cli login integration with php?
[14:59] RobertPlummer I would imagine that it would use open ldap or something similar.
[15:11] arildb Does anybody know if an import from DocuWiki has been attempted/considered?
[15:13] Bsfez … Not sure 100% it was DocuWiki, but i recall Sylvie talking to me about this kind of import.
[15:13] arildb ok
[15:14] g0th_ re
[15:14] jonnyb hi arildb - i  don't think one exists so far but i did see docuwiki is supported in the PEAR wiki text converter we use, so shouldn't be too hard to add
[15:14] g0th_ solved a lot of issues today :)
[15:14] g0th_ one main issue remains: user information trackers
[15:15] g0th_ I use ldap auth for users, so iirc there is no registration procedure
[15:15] g0th_ but I still would like to add further meta data, how should I do that?
[15:17] arildb jonnyb: I am not familar with the "PEAR wiki text converter", but could be feasable...ok
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[15:18] ohertel hello :-)
[15:19] jonnyb arildb: as used by http://doc.tiki.org/MediaWiki+Importer
[15:19] jonnyb hi ohertel
[15:19] jonnyb arildb: more here http://pear.php.net/package/Text_Wiki/
[15:20] arildb thanks
[15:23] g0th_ hmm I think I will use the extended registration profile
[15:23] g0th_ can a profile be uninstalled?
[15:23] g0th_ to revert the changes back to the way they were before?
[15:26] g0th_ I guess I should really be very careful ^^
[15:27] RobertPlummer g0th_: There is no harm in backing up before hand, no need to over complicate a restore.
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[15:31] CIA-75 tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r42188 10/branches/9.x/styles/jqui/options/ (didiem/ didiem.css):
[15:31] CIA-75 tikiwiki: [NEW] Backport (r42173) from branch 9 of Didiem theme ("DDM" - Doubledot Media -
[15:31] CIA-75 tikiwiki: http://www.doubledotmedia.com) option for Jqui. Based largely on design from
[15:31] CIA-75 tikiwiki: Doubledot Media Ltd. and adapted with permission from Simon Slade. Todo: search
[15:31] CIA-75 tikiwiki: box style doesn't work with IE.
[15:32] g0th_ hmm, another important question
[15:32] g0th_ how do I make a complete backup?
[15:33] g0th_ I have /var/www/homepage.ssl/ (svn repository), /var/www/files/ (where I store all files/images from the wiki, e.g. file gallery), mysql db
[15:34] g0th_ my guess is: I only need to backup the mysql db to revert any profile changes
[15:34] ohertel think so too
[15:34] g0th_ in general, do I need to backup the svn repository too? resp. will rm -r /var/www/homepage.ssl/ and then checkout again damage my wiki?
[15:37] ohertel if you just rm it stuff like img/wiki_up will get lost, thats uplods in wiki pages.
[15:37] ohertel if you store everything in the db, you should be fine, if you only save your db/local.php
[15:38] ohertel just make sure attachments, file galleries etc are in the db.
[15:40] ohertel i always save docroot and export db, just to besure ;-)
[15:48] g0th_ docroot?
[15:49] g0th_ is there a list of services that store in img/etc?
[15:49] ohertel your document root.
[15:50] ohertel cp -R homepage.ssl homepage.bak :-)
[16:03] g0th_ oh dear
[16:03] g0th_ that takes lik 12 hours
[16:03] g0th_ like*
[16:03] g0th_ ouff, the other files will be even worse
[16:04] g0th_ the thing is: we already have an emergency backup system
[16:04] g0th_ so I thought it is not really necessary, for most cases where a backup is needed we only need the mysql database
[16:05] g0th_ but ofc stuff like wiki_up etc should be considered too
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[16:14] ohertel 12 hours? what did xou
[16:14] ohertel you save there? gigabytes of data?
[16:15] ohertel and yes, us
[16:15] ohertel grrrr
[16:15] ohertel and yes, profiles usually dont mess around in the filesystem.
[16:16] ohertel maybe we should add a small backup script that saves the database and all folders needed, looking up your tiki config.
[16:17] ohertel sorry for weird typing, i am on the ipad, fiddling with irc and ssh login to tiki.org ;-)
[16:17] ohertel can reboot the machine from the ipd now. :-)
[16:20] g0th_ you're right it is much less than 12 hours, svn checkout took something like 12 hours but it was really slow somehow
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[21:16] RobertPlummer Woops, I didn't mean to put [NEW], grrr
[21:16] jonnyb :D
[21:16] RobertPlummer That patch has been setting around for a while.
[21:17] RobertPlummer Just after I hit commit did I realize it.
[21:21] CIA-75 tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r42206 10/trunk/lib/core/WikiPlugin/ParserNegotiator.php: [NEW] Remove the url encoding of arguments from toSyntax, and make urlEncodeArgs method seperate to clean things a little
[21:21] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Parser Negotiator is looking cooler and cooler.
[21:22] jonnyb seen you been busy - promise will check progress soon, but now need food...
[21:22] RobertPlummer at some point before 10 I'm going to be pulling wysiwyg out of parserlib and putting it in it's own extended class, then jison and old parser will use some of the same code.
[21:23] RobertPlummer jonnyb: I'm actually working on another project, but every few minutes while using tiki I see a bug or something I can fix quickly, and I do.
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[21:25] GillesM hello
[21:25] jonnyb RobertPlummer: looks like a little is_html trouble with wysiwyg still?
[21:25] jonnyb hi GillesM
[21:26] RobertPlummer jonnyb: in old parser or new one?
[21:26] jonnyb just switch the new one on on my trunk localhost
[21:26] jonnyb switched
[21:26] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Yea, I just turned it on today.
[21:26] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Haven't tested it too much, I know where it is headed though which is why I have not touched it.
[21:27] RobertPlummer jonnyb: New class extending base plugin execution.
[21:27] RobertPlummer I started writing it locally, but couldn't get ckeditor to trigger.
[21:27] RobertPlummer jonnyb: And make sure you svn up, many of those fixed are very very new, just today.
[21:28] jonnyb will do, but later - off for dinner now
[21:28] RobertPlummer coo
[21:28] jonnyb more tomorrow!
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