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[01:26] wu-lee can anyone tell me how to infer a tiki database schema version from the database?
[01:27] wu-lee I have a website meltdown, system error page beginning "Unknown column 'version_minor' in 'field list'..."
[01:27] wu-lee I appear to have a mismatched database to the installation
[01:37] wu-lee gah, nevermind, I see the smoking gun now...
[01:37] marclaporte heh
[02:02] wu-lee smoking gun #1: move file gallery into database. web server times script out. website broken.
[02:02] wu-lee smoking gun #2: my precautionary backup prior to this mistakenly used wrong database name, contained old version of website database
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[11:05] foster_ hi. I'd like to what to set in tiki, If stored versions of pages doesn't contain diacritic. some letters are like:  slúžiť
[11:08] foster_ *forget word "ask". sry
[11:12] foster_ noone knows?
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[11:49] fidel foster_: i dont even understand what you are asking for - mind re-stating your question in other words? ;)
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[13:17] jonnyb polom
[13:18] jonnyb luciash: you about? seems the CIA bot has fallen off, can you fix it - or anyone else?
[13:18] jonnyb missing it...
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[13:25] Caarrie|away jonnyb: http://cia.vc/
[13:27] jonnyb coo, that explains it - thanks Caarrie|away
[13:27] Caarrie|away i might be able to have Tiki|bot show the commits, let me tweak stuff
[13:31] Caarrie|away !rehash
[13:32] Caarrie|away !st
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[13:32] jonnyb yay, nicely tweaked Caarrie|away! :)
[13:33] Caarrie|away but the rss feed does not show what you changed :(
[13:33] jonnyb or the commit msg - hmm, which rss is that?
[13:33] Caarrie|away http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_keepsake.php?group_id=64258
[13:34] Caarrie|away if you can find a better feed i could use that instead
[13:34] jonnyb i'll have a rummage...
[13:38] jonnyb wonder if we could set something up on http://code.tiki.org
[13:38] Caarrie|away looks like git on sf supports this but not svn
[13:39] jonnyb :(
[13:45] Caarrie|away is there a mailing list for the commit messages?
[13:47] Caarrie|away ah there is but no rss feed...
[13:49] jonnyb no, i couldn't even find the one you did, so that's better than nothing i guess
[13:49] Caarrie|away http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=tikiwiki-cvs
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[13:51] Caarrie|away that any better?
[13:51] jonnyb i guess the link's handy - seems a bit verbose though
[13:52] Caarrie|away !sf
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[13:52] jonnyb i'm looking in the sf.net project admin bits to see if there's anything we can switch on
[13:52] Caarrie|away a little less text there
[13:53] jonnyb cool - can you control that? "Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware SVN repository" could be just Tiki SVN
[13:54] Caarrie|away i am not sure of that but i can look into it
[13:54] jonnyb "committed revision 43163" could be "committed r43163"
[13:54] jonnyb etc
[13:55] jonnyb https://sourceforge.net/apps/ideatorrent/sourceforge/ideatorrent/idea/65/
[13:55] Caarrie|away yea that is about git
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[13:57] jonnyb so nothing for svn :(
[13:57] Caarrie|away nope :(
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[13:59] jonnyb oh well, thanks for getting something going, i'm going to write some code! :)
[13:59] Caarrie|away yw
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[16:21] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Featured Links, external script and permissions - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45233
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[17:41] marclaporte A new bot?
[17:41] jonnyb hi marclaporte - yes, CIA has gone :(
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[17:42] jonnyb Caarrie|away fixed up a new one - http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-09-27,Thu&sel=27#l23
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[18:18] amette nice initiative, Caarrie|away :)
[18:18] Caarrie|away np
[18:23] amette oh, sad story with CIA :(
[18:35] marclaporte who set up the new bot?
[18:35] marclaporte who know what happened to cia?
[18:41] jonnyb marclaporte: it's on http://cia.vc - Caarrie|away set up the new one (thanks!)
[18:45] marclaporte ouch
[18:48] amette dev down?
[18:48] amette I mean: dev down!
[18:48] marclaporte http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle as well
[18:48] marclaporte changi: ping
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[18:55] Caarrie|away http://pastebin.com/9RBBniM1
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[19:02] amette really bad story with CIA... lesson learned: get your backups onto a harddisk you physically own
[19:02] jonnyb indeed - scary stuff!
[19:02] jonnyb (and hi amette :) )
[19:02] amette heya jonnyb :)
[19:16] amette dev back
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[20:03] arildb I get "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" at http://dev.tiki.org/ ... so down again
[20:08] changi arildb: don't have that
[20:08] arildb trying again
[20:09] arildb works now
[20:17] fabricius polom y'a all
[20:17] fabricius http://dev.tiki.org just showed up all right (and unexpectedly fast
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[20:42] changi Oh tikibot is now showing commit
[20:42] changi nice Tiki|bot
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[21:18] jonnyb ok, i'm about done for the day... see you tomorrow
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[22:47] RobertPlummer polom all
[22:47] amette moloq Robert
[22:47] RobertPlummer I have 2 sites, both running the same version of tiki.
[22:47] RobertPlummer Databases are the same.
[22:47] RobertPlummer They are on the same server.
[22:48] RobertPlummer Yes, one thinks javascript is on, the other thinks it is off.
[22:48] RobertPlummer I have honestly never had this issue, what do you guys think?
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[22:49] amette no clue, but if the database is exactly the same, they have the same settings for hostname, cookie-domain, etc. - perhaps something along those lines?
[22:51] RobertPlummer Ah, maybe.
[22:51] RobertPlummer It looks like nextdev has the same problem.
[22:51] RobertPlummer Somehow javascript is not being loaded.
[22:51] RobertPlummer at least most of it.
[22:51] RobertPlummer I think that option should be removed.
[22:51] RobertPlummer tiki now depends on javascript;
[22:52] amette which option?
[22:52] amette ah, k
[22:52] amette yeah, disabling it would just break the tiki, wouldn't it?
[22:52] RobertPlummer if ($prefs['javascript_enabled'] != 'n') {
[22:52] RobertPlummer like 259 of tiki-setup.php
[22:52] RobertPlummer also the != 'n' looks a bit alarming.
[22:53] RobertPlummer Shouldn't it be  == 'y' ?
[22:53] amette doesn't the reasonable check here depend on the default value?
[22:55] amette I mean like the decision for which check is the reasonable one
[23:01] RobertPlummer I'm not sure what you mean.
[23:01] RobertPlummer It is logical to check it
[23:01] RobertPlummer But the value is not being set right, thus killing tiki.
[23:02] RobertPlummer Where does global $prefs originate?
[23:02] amette I haven't looked at tiki-setup.php in years (literally), so I don't know for sure, but I thought that if the default is e.g. 'y' then it would make sense to check for != 'y'...
[23:02] amette .. no, that doesn't make sense either.
[23:03] amette now that I wrote it
[23:03] RobertPlummer It should always be looking for positive.
[23:03] RobertPlummer Or y
[23:03] RobertPlummer it should never look for n
[23:03] RobertPlummer because n == ''
[23:04] RobertPlummer That line should be "if ($prefs['javascript_enabled'] == 'y') {"
[23:04] amette even if n == 'n' - as long as y is always set as 'y', it is much more sensible to check for 'y', true
[23:04] RobertPlummer Exactly
[23:04] RobertPlummer And that is outlined in our creation of prefs.
[23:05] amette ah, ok, then for sure
[23:05] amette would it even fix your issue?
[23:05] RobertPlummer Found it!
[23:05] amette :)
[23:05] RobertPlummer line 303 of setup/prefs.php
[23:05] RobertPlummer 'javascript_enabled' => 'n',
[23:05] RobertPlummer Red flag!
[23:06] RobertPlummer Jumping into history, I want to find offender.
[23:06] RobertPlummer Probably a nasty merge
[23:07] amette there are other prefs that are also set to 'n'
[23:07] RobertPlummer And that is fine.
[23:07] amette oh, why?
[23:07] RobertPlummer But javascript_enabled is a pretty important one to be set to 'y'
[23:07] RobertPlummer Some things are defaulted to being off.
[23:07] RobertPlummer Like sheet
[23:07] amette I think that has historical reasons when we still tried to live without javascript ;)
[23:08] amette but shouldn't they then be '' and the check == 'y' ?
[23:08] RobertPlummer Yes,
[23:08] RobertPlummer amette: wanna do some code cleanup?
[23:08] RobertPlummer :_
[23:08] RobertPlummer :)
[23:08] amette I didn't ask because of too much free time... ;)
[23:09] amette ... but understanding the inner workings of Tiki seemed worth discussing this! :)
[23:09] RobertPlummer I am back to 2010, and I see it still being set to n
[23:10] RobertPlummer I think this feature should be removed.
[23:10] RobertPlummer Because of how much it is ignored.
[23:10] amette I hate to say it, but I think you are right.......
[23:10] RobertPlummer And because tiki needs javascript.
[23:10] RobertPlummer It is an ajax animal.
[23:10] amette I don't hate saying that because I disagree with you, but because I really liked websites working without javascript.
[23:11] amette But nowadays... yeah... I think even the login doesn't really work without javascript any more?!
[23:11] RobertPlummer It does.
[23:11] amette ah, k, so that was changed
[23:11] RobertPlummer Let me rephrase.  I think it should be default to 'y'
[23:11] amette what is the most fundamental thing in Tiki that breaks without JavaScript?
[23:11] RobertPlummer a simple 1 char change :)
[23:12] amette :)
[23:12] amette yeah, that would be a compromise I could live with quite comfortably.
[23:12] RobertPlummer trackers, sheet, tons of modules, captcha (I think)
[23:12] * amette nods
[23:12] RobertPlummer I just don't know why I have 2 sites and 1 works, the other does not.
[23:13] amette I wonder why I could use all that stuff... I don't remember ever explicitly switching on javascript..
[23:13] RobertPlummer It is linked to think y vs n
[23:13] RobertPlummer I know, I don't even think you can access this feature on the admin panel.
[23:13] RobertPlummer You have to insert it directly into the db.
[23:13] amette ah, lol
[23:13] amette then it should probably be removed completely
[23:14] RobertPlummer I feel the same, but I know what'll happen on the devel list.
[23:14] amette or is there some code that recognizes if the browser is capable of js and then sets it accordingly?
[23:14] amette hehe
[23:14] RobertPlummer I don't know.
[23:15] amette Disable JavaScript   (found in features, general)
[23:15] amette "Disable JavaScript for testing purposes even if the browser allows it."
[23:15] amette so maybe there is some automagic
[23:16] amette but the checkbox is not checked here...
[23:16] amette ... so it shouldn't be 'n'...
[23:20] RobertPlummer It doesn't seem to matter how I set it, it is being set to 'n'.
[23:20] RobertPlummer I think it might be the filter.
[23:20] RobertPlummer Perhaps with some of the stuff we are doing with spam?
[23:22] amette I haven't yet wrapped my mind around all the spam stuff... but I don't know how what I understood so far could interfere here.
[23:23] RobertPlummer Don't they both use the filter?
[23:23] amette which filter?
[23:25] RobertPlummer tiki-filter or jitFilter
[23:25] RobertPlummer nm, it is neither of them.
[23:25] RobertPlummer $prefs['disableJavascript'] is overriding itl
[23:25] RobertPlummer lol
[23:25] RobertPlummer we have a disableJavascript pref and a javascript_enabled pref?
[23:26] RobertPlummer a little redundant?
[23:26] amette a little
[23:26] amette disableJavascript is for testing purposes, ok...
[23:26] amette ... but wouldn't it be enough to just disable javascript then?
[23:26] RobertPlummer I agree
[23:27] amette BUT: if the javascript_enabled is some automagic browser recognition (as it is not available in admin panel), then it does make sense again to have an override pref
[23:27] RobertPlummer Not if it is stupid.
[23:27] amette lol
[23:28] amette apparantly it does needs some bigger changes though to make it less stupid
[23:29] RobertPlummer So how is it being set to 'y' when it is defined as 'n' in global.php
[23:31] RobertPlummer What is really difficult about this is that I have to debug remotly, if I had it broken locally, I could fix it in a few seconds with phpstrom.
[23:31] RobertPlummer storm
[23:31] amette yeah, a debugger is a great thing
[23:31] amette you can't setup remote debugging?
[23:32] RobertPlummer phpstorm is so powerful
[23:32] RobertPlummer amette: Have you used it at all?
[23:32] amette nope, I use vim
[23:32] RobertPlummer awe man.
[23:32] RobertPlummer We have a free licence for it.
[23:32] amette I probably can edit waaaayyy faster than you! :)
[23:32] RobertPlummer lisence
[23:32] RobertPlummer lsl;dfkj
[23:32] amette free as in beer license - no, thanks
[23:32] amette lol - yup, exactly like that :)
[23:33] RobertPlummer licence
[23:33] RobertPlummer I bought a new keyboard....
[23:33] amette yeah, yeah :P
[23:33] RobertPlummer I have a hp pc running linux with a mac keyboard ;P
[23:33] RobertPlummer If you can't beat them, join them.
[23:33] amette that sounds like quite a bastard :D
[23:33] amette hrhr
[23:33] RobertPlummer It has it's moments.
[23:34] RobertPlummer You may be able to edit faster, but I can find the problem quicker.
[23:34] RobertPlummer I guarantee it
[23:34] amette I agree that my debugging interface is not as slick, but I really like the editor! :)
[23:34] RobertPlummer Honestly though, I've been using nano quite a bit.
[23:35] amette I tried Eclipse (with PHPEclipse) years ago and the thing that drove me away from it was the crappy editor.
[23:35] RobertPlummer I like vim, but I find it very quirky, but they all lack something.
[23:35] RobertPlummer Yea, it is bad.
[23:35] RobertPlummer I urge you thought to download phpstorm, it really is fantastic.
[23:35] RobertPlummer Just try it.  The developer team is awesome over there.
[23:36] amette ok, I'll try it one day when I have my quality time to do things just for fun
[23:37] amette so far I'm quite happy with my vim with ctags and my debugger integrated
[23:37] amette and you know: in the middle of evil...
[23:37] amette ... there's always 'vi' ;)
[23:40] RobertPlummer lol
[23:40] amette *g*
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[23:49] Jyhem_laptop polom RobertPlummer, amette
[23:49] amette moloq Jyhem_laptop
[23:50] Jyhem_laptop Just read this discussion. I think there is a misunderstanding about the meaning of  'javascript_enabled'
[23:50] * amette just was about to ask, if you know more...
[23:50] amette please enlighten us! :)
[23:51] Jyhem_laptop disableJavascript is a pref, that's right. But 'javascript_enabled' is not a pref (I believe)
[23:51] amette ok, so we got that right?
[23:51] Jyhem_laptop 'javascript_enabled' is for trying to detect/test if the browser is javascript-capable
[23:52] amette alright
[23:52] Jyhem_laptop So it starts with 'n' and there is some attempt at javascript, which usually works, and then it is set to 'y'
[23:53] Jyhem_laptop if the javascript detection fails (someone is with lynx or has javascript disabled), it stays to 'n'
[23:53] Jyhem_laptop does this make sense ?
[23:53] amette yup, totally
[23:54] amette any idea on the initial problem RobertPlummer had?
[23:54] Jyhem_laptop no, I just remebered looking at this code years ago. No idea if someone broke it, or even what it did in detail :-(
[23:55] amette yeah, I could imagine (just as Robert) that it got broke while introducing AJAX stuff...
[23:56] Jyhem_laptop well maybe, ajax is recent, and there are still very few Tiki devs who "get" it. I certainly don't
[23:56] * amette steps back, too
[23:57] Jyhem_laptop I don't even understand how the ajax queries are authenticated. Do they carry the php session cookie info?
[23:59] * amette steps even further back
[23:59] Jyhem_laptop or does the ajax query reuse the same persistent http connection which got the page transferred? This is all mysterious
[23:59] amette but that is an interesting question... big potential for security issues there.
[23:59] * Jyhem_laptop hopes amette has a wall behind him :)