#tikiwiki 2012-09-30,Sun

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Who	What	When
amette	yup, they are very nice, too	[00:00]
marclaporte	I like the clocks! http://dev.tiki.org/System::Clocks sends me to home page?	[00:00]
amette	me too actually no - it sends me to /Development ?! which probably is the home page	[00:01]
fabricius	hehe	[00:02]
amette	but I really want to see System::Clocks	[00:02]
fabricius	use: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=System::Clocks	[00:02]
amette	aaaaaah dirty little hack G	[00:03]
fabricius	{include page="System::Clocks" start="!Start-Berlin-London-UTC-Montreal" stop="!End-Berlin-London-UTC-Montreal"}	[00:03]
amette	the stop can be seen on the other page?!	[00:04]
fabricius	should not checking ahhhh damned	[00:04]
amette	:)	[00:05]
fabricius	that seems to be a bug see here: {include page="tagcloud" start="!Start" stop="!End"} http://wikiforyou.eu no !End shown on the page which includes! to show the stopmark makes no sense atall	[00:06]
amette	yup... maybe a missing newline or such? I mean: it works on your site..	[00:07]
fabricius	yes, but mine is a pre-10 maybe nees a fix for 9er branch	[00:08]
amette	ah, possible	[00:09]
fabricius	I think, I remember, itworke in 9 before sorry, my "d" hangs on the keyboard ... it seems frequently to be reluctand to type all the time	[00:09]
amette	I know these problems - too much tobacco fell into your keyboard and now it jams it ;) but just take it out, clean it and put it back in	[00:11]
fabricius	I tell you what I usually o: I wait until it rie out and then I type harer until it's crushe into ust	[00:13]
amette	lol amette had to laugh about the missing 'd's wait a bit longer and it will destroy the mechanism underneath the key - not a good option	[00:13]
fabricius	oh opps my " " hanged again	[00:14]
amette	G	[00:14]
fabricius	hah I`ve got one!	[00:14]
amette	press the key down, grab it at the upper edge and pull gently, it will come off - takes a bit of courage at first, but basically it's quite harmless	[00:14]
fabricius	you see, it's alrea y rying out	[00:15]
amette	hehe	[00:15]
fabricius	slowly it seems	[00:15]
amette	or blow into your keyboard - that's the coward's option ;)	[00:15]
fabricius	maybe I should start to hammer, to check if it's rie enough d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d dddddddddddddd d dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ahhhh worrrks!!	[00:16]
amette	take a hammer for it to make sure	[00:16]
fabricius	yes, that is one of the advantages of laptops against the new tabs ... you at least can take a hammer, if the keyboard hangs ... try that on a tab or on a smartphone	[00:18]
amette	no problem, it'll create a nice spider web on the display ;)	[00:19]
fabricius	sure and you need not to download an app for that ... saves storage and performance ... good idea though didn't think so smart first hand but that brings me to a general idea: since my Android is broken and I use my old standart mobile phone since a few month, I could just paint some apps on it saves even more storage and performance and I nee not to buy a new smartphone	[00:20]
amette	wicked idea! As soon as my phone breaks I'll get a piece of wood and paint my apps on it!	[00:23]
fabricius	grrmbl ... still have to type hard enough to crush the dirt under the "d"	[00:23]
amette	Especially the display readability in bright sunlight will be amazing!! honestly - do youself a favour and try to clean it	[00:23]
fabricius	amette yes ... we could make a website out of that	[00:24]
amette	let's bring that to kickstarter! We'll be millionaires in no time!	[00:24]
arildb	I am unable to apply profiles in the latest SVN pre9.2 version. Anybody else with the same problem?	[00:25]
fabricius	amette what do you think, wouldn't it be an idea just to try out to simply paint the next website and send it as screenshot or so? saves plenty of coding time	[00:25]
amette	yeah, absolutely, paint it and send by mail! That also fixes all the rendering problems with different browsers! snail mail that is - e-mail again only creates new problems arildb: nope, not had that problem - can you elaborate?	[00:27]
fabricius	arildb sorry, I simply didn't try that ... not worked with profiles for a while, whilst I have enough ideas, where I want to use again in future ... maybe I'd check when I get some time (not now, as I develop new business ideas with amette)	[00:27]
arildb	Just installed a fresh SVN pre9.2 version. Activated WYSIWYG. When the editor opens, it prompt to install the profile: : WYSIWYG_6x. Attempting to apply this fails. Seems unable to reach the profile server. However, I cann reach it via the browser: http://profiles.tiki.org/profiles	[00:30]
amette	hehe hmmm.... what error message?	[00:30]
arildb	no error message (as far as I see)	[00:31]
fabricius	arildb did you try to apply with another browser? sometimes some browser is reluctant to go ahead with certain stuff (mostly Chrome)	[00:31]
amette	hmmm, no idea.. sorry	[00:31]
arildb	tried FF. wil try other browsers	[00:32]
fabricius	for ex, sometimes I cannot upload files to Tiki with Chrome, but with Firefox	[00:32]
amette	chrome really pisses me off recently... although I use it as my default browser and mainly really do love it - it does have some weird issues on some pages	[00:32]
fabricius	I really need an autorecycle testing website some cron svn autonulling the database everyday could go there and quickly check applying profile for 9.x on a new babyface fresh installation	[00:33]
amette	well, if you have shell access that's really not tough to set up	[00:34]
fabricius	I have just to lazy to figure out	[00:34]
amette	;)	[00:35]
fabricius	but maybe I should really do soon	[00:35]
amette	new challenges are the best way to learn	[00:35]
arildb	same effect in all browsers all browsers = Chrome & Opera	[00:36]
amette	hang on, I have a 9.x checkout... let me just install a database, then I'll try here	[00:38]
arildb	http://profiles.tiki.org status seems to indicate a down state. However, (I can reach it via my browser).	[00:39]
amette	does your server have some firewalling?	[00:39]
fabricius	fabricius goes for a fag	[00:41]
amette	hope you didn't roll it over your keyboard ;)	[00:42]
fabricius	ahhh and plugs the laptop to the powerline (5%)	[00:42]
arildb	I am running on localhost and port 80 is open. Does the profiles server use a special port?	[00:42]
amette	nope, it's all via http afaik	[00:43]
marclaporte	arildb: http://bluehost.tiki.org/simplescripts/tiki-admin.php?page=profiles also can't connect	[00:43]
arildb	which Tiki version runs on bluehost?	[00:44]
marclaporte	In the early days of profiles, this happened more, but I guess there are still some cases of issues	[00:44]
amette	yeah, I can't get a list of profiles either	[00:46]
fabricius	hmm maybe setting up a simple test-profile, that changes just one single preference, so it could savely be tried on a running site? just an idea	[00:47]
marclaporte	fabricius: in my case, it's not even getting the list of profiles	[00:49]
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arildb	can it be a server problem? I am running 9.2 from SVN. Is anybody else running SVN 9.2?	[00:52]
marclaporte	try from the command line wget http://profiles.tiki.org/profiles	[00:55]
fabricius	arildb: you mean pre-9.2? hmmm yes, I should have at least one of these checking	[00:57]
arildb	marclaporte: wget is not a windows command. So, it didn't work	[00:58]
marclaporte	ok, well, something similar see if the web server can access that URL	[01:00]
arildb	yes, I can reach it using the browser	[01:02]
marclaporte	but your Tiki can't list them?	[01:04]
arildb	that's correct	[01:06]
fabricius	my Tiki pre-10 can't list aswell maybe not connected? arrg I have an old 8.1 running cannot list there aswell	[01:11]
arildb	sounds like a server problem	[01:14]
fabricius	sounds like a problm with profiles.t.o	[01:15]
mose	heya marc (and everybody)	[01:15]
fabricius	uhhh my "e" is hanging ... maybe hammered too hard polom mose	[01:15]
mose	hola fabricius	[01:15]
fabricius	a question I have related to profiles since ages ... if I want to use one or a few profiles in a customers context ... and for whatever reason this profile would have to be not public ... is there a way to use a profiles repository, that is not public, but "secure" with a login / group permissions?	[01:22]
Jyhem	For the UI oriented devs: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/09/26/useful-javascript-libraries-jquery-plugins/	[01:31]
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marclaporte	fabricius: maybe with tokens? nice to see you mose! arildb: I suggest you ping lphuberdeau, sylvie or jonnyb about the profiles not connecting ... For the record, Amit909 was asking me about MathJax, so I made this: http://doc.tiki.org/MathJax	[01:46]
arildb	I am going to bed soon. Will check again later.	[01:48]
amette	brace for commit	[01:53]
marclaporte	mose: this may be something interesting for you: https://doc.tiki.org/Server+Check	[01:54]
amette	now it got really messy... ... I'm dreading the cleanup meanwhile. but phase 1 of tiki-check.php is finished now! :) \o o//	[01:54]
marclaporte	mose: more for PHP than Ruby, but...	[01:55]
amette	o/	[01:55]
marclaporte	Congrats Amette!	[01:55]
amette	cheers mate :)	[01:55]
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marclaporte	can anyone confirm that this page loads? https://tiki.org/Major+use+cases	[02:11]
amette	yes, it loads - forever.... ... then wsod.	[02:11]
mose	wow it's still there ?	[02:13]
marclaporte	what could be wrong? http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=major+use+cases mose: what is still there?	[02:13]
mose	the white page of death	[02:13]
marclaporte	hahahahah oh yeah	[02:14]
mose	quite an old feature	[02:14]
marclaporte	but the LeftColBug is long gone	[02:14]
mose	I'm so obsolete	[02:15]
marclaporte	:-)	[02:19]
	amette: http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-check.php (not bad) :-)	[02:24]
amette	WTF?!? yeah, that's an easter egg I deliberately built in	[02:28]
marclaporte	that is trunk	[02:28]
amette	WTF?!?! I'm stumped....	[02:28]
marclaporte	huh?	[02:29]
amette	ah, after reload it works LOL	[02:29]
marclaporte	I don't see what you are seeing? What are you talking about?	[02:29]
amette	I just saw a bunch of weird characters :D	[02:29]
marclaporte	hehe	[02:29]
amette	probably the http authentication interfered with my browser G	[02:30]
marclaporte	yup	[02:30]
amette	yeah, now I like it, too :) ah, nice, I start to like the check considering the (non)-writeable directories, too	[02:30]
marclaporte	yes, it already caught a problem :-)	[02:31]
amette	yup :) the upload_tmp_dir check is really just an educated guess if it is dangerous - if it is not definitely dangerous, we tell the user to check it manually I don't know how good that is, but I just copied it over at least better than nothing so I put info as a state there, if it is not checkable it will never become good/green though	[02:31]
Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop really likes http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-check.php	[02:37]
amette	:)	[02:37]
Jyhem_laptop	I think some other LGPL open-source web apps will integrate some version of it :)	[02:38]
amette	that would be quite an accolade :)	[02:39]
marclaporte	for sure! (or GPL since they can include as a lib)	[02:39]
amette	yeah, it's freely available for all of them	[02:40]
marclaporte	I wish Tiki Check had existed many years ago :-)	[02:43]
amette	amette too I can see myself using it to set up a server much more quickly before running into issues while configuring Tiki.	[02:43]
marclaporte	so how should we promote it in Tiki? Links in tiki-admin.php? as part of the main admin menu?	[02:48]
amette	we could put it into "Crosslinks to other features" :P sorry, but that just crossed my mind - I think it's one of the things that has to go - does anyone use it productively? A link in the Admin menu might be a good idea as now there are also things that check for fitness of your setup while running Tiki already. I have actually been thinking about this while moving over features from tiki-admin_security.php and tiki-admin_system.php.... ... maybe in the long run it might be feasible to create even a dedicated admin panel for things like these? Admin->General has the version check, perhaps put a link there to "Check if your Tiki can work properly"?	[02:50]
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Jyhem	We already have Admin → Security Admin and Admin → Cache/Sys Admin So it could be a direct link from Admin also then you do't need to have an icon :) Jyhem is truggling agains codemirror s/struggling In http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=PluginRemarksbox&page_ref_id=3461 I just can''t add the missing remarksboxes below, because it auto-selects the above plugin instead of creating a new one :-(	[03:18]
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Jyhem	thank god for "toggle highlighter"	[03:28]
amette	yeah, sadly it is sometimes necessary :-\|	[03:29]
marclaporte	Admin->General has the version check, perhaps put a link there to "Check if your Tiki can work properly"?v ^^^^^^^^^^ +1 to that idea! Jyhem: that is the kind of bug report that Tiki Screencast will be good for. I know what you mean because I have seen this before, but Robert may not know about it...	[03:34]
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Jyhem	marclaporte: if I set "Protect all sessions with HTTPS", can I still have anonymous access in http ? Usually, there is no reason for anonymous to be in https, since anonymous only accesses public information by definition	[03:44]
marclaporte	Jyhem: no	[03:57]
amette	a good reason for anonymous to access a web site by HTTPS is that she doesn't want to disclose which information exactly she accesses e.g. my employer should not know that I access WikiPedia information about a serious desease, my employer only knows that I go to WikiPedia amette making assumptions about employers and implications, but you get the idea disease even	[04:01]
Jyhem	Yes, but that only means that people who want to use https must have it available.	[04:04]
amette	every browser has it available?!	[04:04]
Jyhem	My use case is a public website with some protected sections. So the logged in people don't want the data to filter out. The rest is totally public and should benefit from caching	[04:05]
amette	caching doesn't work with https?	[04:06]
Jyhem	I believe https somewhat is an indication that copies should not be kept in every proxy around the internet. Or local cahes.	[04:07]
amette	let them be kept whereever... they are encrypted. ah, I see... you mean your proxy servers don't cache it then?!	[04:07]
Jyhem	They are not. The communication is encrypted. With symetric keys which expire fast and keep changing. but the data itself is just transferred	[04:09]
amette	I think it would be a smart move of proxy servers not to cache as the key is different for each user	[04:10]
Jyhem	the proxy servers would need to achieve a man-in-the-middle attack to cache the unencrypted data	[04:10]
amette	so no content is ever the same they could cache the encrypted, but it would be quite useless only a reload from the same session/browser would hit the cache	[04:10]
Jyhem	the encrypted is useless because it's a two-person encryption, constantly renegociated	[04:11]
amette	the encryption isn't useless, but the prox is	[04:11]
Jyhem	worse: reload from the same session/browser time out anyway I meant"the encrypted data is useless", not "the encryption is useless"	[04:11]
amette	yeah	[04:12]
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ionhead	joined #tikiwiki hey, someone here who can help me with a problem with smarty? in an old tiki i displayed the name of the current user with eval and $user but in 9.1 i get only invalid parameter	[17:38]
lindonb	not that familiar with this, but does PluginSmarty work?	[17:46]
ionhead	i think so, button do work fine	[17:47]
lindonb	and it can be used to display variables?	[17:47]
ionhead	no, that seems to be the problem in the older version i used it works without problems	[17:47]
Jyhem_laptop	in a wiki page? Have you tried {{user}} ?	[17:48]
ionhead	no -_- dose not work with {{user}} it displays {{user}} or did u meant in the smarty statement ?	[17:48]
Jyhem_laptop	No, I just checked. This actually requires the feature: Wiki argument variables (found in textarea)	[17:53]
marclaporte	ionhead: how old was your previous Tiki install?	[17:54]
ionhead	verry old :) 5.4	[17:54]
marclaporte	not that bad Maybe {$prefs.user} will work You want to display in wiki text or template?	[17:55]
ionhead	in a wiki text	[17:56]
Jyhem_laptop	{$prefs.user} would be in smarty, yes? {{user}} was meant in wiki syntax	[17:56]
ionhead	yes $prefs.user did not work, either	[17:57]
Jyhem_laptop	did you find feature_wiki_argvariable in tiki-admin.php?page=textarea ? "Wiki argument variables"	[18:00]
ionhead	no, i'm still searching for it but i can't find it -_-	[18:01]
Jyhem_laptop	tiki-admin.php?page=textarea&highlight=feature_wiki_argvariable	[18:03]
ionhead	ok, got it	[18:03]
Jyhem_laptop	I can see it in tiki 6. I have no tiki 5 good	[18:03]
ionhead	i had to display experimental features	[18:04]
Jyhem_laptop	experimental? That has been present for ages	[18:05]
ionhead	ok, {{user}} works now hmm, stange i'm on 9.1 at the moment	[18:05]
Jyhem_laptop	I start most of my pages with -={{page}}=-	[18:06]
ionhead	but i had to check the experimental checkbox to see the option thank you very much	[18:06]
Jyhem_laptop	no prob	[18:10]
ionhead	another more general question can i do the upgrade directly form 5.4 to 9.1? or would it be better to upgrade first to all major releases between?	[18:11]
marclaporte	you can do direct	[18:15]
ionhead	ok, thx	[18:15]
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arildb	I must say I liked the old IRC "New Commit" reporting much better. Then it was possible to see what the commit was about without having to open the link in the browser. Nice with the browser link too, though.	[18:32]
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JayW	joined #tikiwiki Hello.. is there someone who can take a quick look at my registration page and tell me why it's doing what it's doing? http://my.absa.org/tiki-register.php Q: Why is it giving me an error right off the bat before I register?	[19:09]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Auto-submitting my registration form? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45262	[19:17]
marclaporte	JayW: I can confirm that it's not supposed to be like that	[19:22]
JayW	thanks.. that's at least good to know.. I've had other people tell me that when they go to set up another user/password (because we're testing the system) this page auto-fills with their previous information and submits the form automatically.. I figured it was an MS Explorer thing (which I don't have.. because I'm on a Mac) I was wondering if it was an ajax thing (not knowing much about ajax)	[19:23]
marclaporte	you could try to deactivate AJAX stuff in the admin panel search for jquery or AJAX and deactivate stuff that looks like it could be it	[19:25]
JayW	I'll give it a try..	[19:26]
marclaporte	There have some fixes recently there but I don't if it solve it You could try a pre 9.2: http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build	[19:26]
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JayW	turned ajax off.. problem is still there.. can you think of anything else that would make tiki auto-submit a form?	[19:30]
marclaporte	JayW: The anti-bot is also busted	[19:31]
JayW	yeah.. that's my next task! I never should have upgraded to 9.1!	[19:31]
marclaporte	Try http://doc.tiki.org/Server+Check to see if your server has GD/ImageMagick All this was working before? In which version?	[19:31]
JayW	9.0	[19:32]
marclaporte	oh that is surprising	[19:33]
Guest80319	tikiwiki 03mose r4299 10trunk/ 10_jscalendar/lang/calendar-fr-utf8.js 10_jscalendar/lang/calendar-fr.js tikiwiki fixed the lang file for jscalendar fr	[19:33]
JayW	yeah..	[19:33]
marclaporte	woah, a commit from mose!! Guest80319: that was a long long time ago, no?	[19:33]
Guest80319	marclaporte: My master told me to not respond. tikiwiki 03lindonb r43214 10trunk/ 10comments.php 10templates/comments.tpl tikiwiki Notices tikiwiki 03sylvieg r43215 10branches/9.x/ 10(5 files in 3 dirs) tikiwiki [FIX]show the poll is closed + user has voted tikiwiki 03lindonb r43216 10trunk/templates/comment-header.tpl tikiwiki Notices tikiwiki 03lindonb r43217 10trunk/templates/comment-body.tpl tikiwiki Notices tikiwiki 03lindonb r43218 10trunk/templates/comment-footer.tpl tikiwiki Notices tikiwiki 03lindonb r43219 10trunk/templates/comment.tpl tikiwiki Notices tikiwiki 03lindonb r43220 10trunk/tiki-forum_import.php tikiwiki Notice	[19:36]
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changi	I love KGB "My master" :)	[19:37]
marclaporte	hahahahha JayW: I predict 9.2 will solve half the problems you are experiencing	[19:37]
JayW	and when is it out?	[19:38]
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marclaporte	There is no set date for minor releases. It's as needed and according to people that volunteer to do it :-) But you can grab 9.2 daily snapshot here: http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build changi: should we worry about http://quality.tiki.org/job/Tikitrunk%20PHP5.4%20Compatibility/violations/ ?	[19:39]
JayW	yeah.. I might just go back to 9.0.. I HAVE to get this working for the client tomorrow!	[19:40]
marclaporte	You do consulting? What kind?	[19:42]
JayW	I design and maintain websites.. unfortunately i'm not much of a programmer.. just an HTML hack.. :-)	[19:44]
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JayW	tiki-check.php was helpful.. I might be playing with my php.ini file in the near future.. but it says I have GD.. so. captcha should be working.. :-(	[19:56]
marclaporte	If not already done, make sure to be listed at http://info.tiki.org/Consultants	[19:57]
JayW	Thanks.. I will once I feel I know tiki a bit better.. :-) by the end of this project maybe..	[19:58]
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changi	marclaporte: don't think we have to	[20:19]
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changi	marclaporte: do we have enough commit to release a 9.2 ?	[20:26]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03changi67 r43222 10trunk 10trunk/tiki-list_file_gallery.php tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/9.x 43201 to 43205	[20:28]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: changi67 committed r43222 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43222	[20:32]
marclaporte	changi: I would let amette backport tiki-check.php and templates/tiki-check.php first	[20:35]
changi	marclaporte: ok	[20:38]
marclaporte	But yes, we have enough commits. Release early and often!	[20:38]
	changi: what do you think of http://quality.tiki.org/job/Tikitrunk%20PHP5.4%20Compatibility/violations/ ?	[20:52]
changi	marclaporte: don't think it will be a problem	[21:02]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03changi67 r43223 10trunk/ 10(7 files in 6 dirs) tikiwiki PSR Checkstyle - see http://qa.tiki.org/job/TikiTrunk_PSR_Compliant	[21:04]
Jyhem	hey guys! In case anyone wonders, the complete checkout of tiki is : 37G tikiwiki/ :-)	[21:05]
marclaporte	polom Jyhem	[21:06]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: changi67 committed r43223 to the Tiki SVN, changing 7 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43223	[21:07]
marclaporte	and compressed?	[21:07]
changi	jyhem: what's the goal	[21:09]
Jyhem	what would be the point ? changi: newly installed servers have so much room, the first couple days :-)	[21:09]
changi	Jyhem: lol	[21:09]
Jyhem	so i was curious	[21:09]
marclaporte	Here is another goal for you: http://meta.ohloh.net/2012/09/a-lucky-break/	[21:10]
Jyhem	At first, I just needed a local copy of svn on the server, to get tiki-check on my production, to see what more needs to be tuned. And then it got out of hand :)	[21:11]
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Jyhem	marclaporte: nice :)	[21:14]
marclaporte	Surely someone has 40 gigs available for this :-)	[21:15]
Jyhem	Yes… Backups. Are you confident that nothing more needs to be done on the tiki servers backup front ? I read changi and ohertel's emails. They really don't need any help :)	[21:15]
changi	marclaporte: i have 2 copy of the tikiwiki repository (full history) marclaporte: pascal and jonny: have another one :) marclaporte: shoule i implement KGB ? or tiki bot is enough ? s/shoule/should/	[21:17]
marclaporte	Jyhem: the rest of data at SourceForge? Jyhem: all the other sites http://tiki.org/Domains	[21:26]
Jyhem	marclaporte: wait! This is not my server we are talking about. :-(	[21:30]
changi	Jyhem: oh, he left	[21:31]
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Jyhem	strange. anyway, gotta eat: the microwave is calling :)	[21:34]
changi	marclaporte: what do you think of using a specific tool to handle bugs like redmine ?	[21:34]
marclaporte	I think we don't have a tool problem	[21:36]
changi	ok, was just a proposition	[21:37]
marclaporte	The first thing we need is people to do triage There are two on this list: http://tiki.org/Wishlist+Team	[21:38]
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marclaporte	AFAIK, they are not monitoring the bug reports Once we have volunteers who intend to triage/monitor the wishes, we can have a discussion about how to do this The bug reports will be just as ignored in redmine :-)	[21:39]
changi	you're right, but maybe people would be more volunteers with a tool, and from outside, it will show that we are more structured	[21:43]
marclaporte	It is a big job to change systems. Data migration, etc.	[21:45]
changi	the first step is to have a Ldap with user. i've tested ClearOS, but ldap is a little to poor, i propose to user phpldapadmin! s/to/too	[21:49]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: sylvieg committed r43224 to the Tiki SVN, changing 6 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43224	[21:53]
changi	marclaporte: need to go, see you	[21:59]
marclaporte	changi: 1 more thing Tiki10 bug tracker will have a killer feature: http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast but indeed, once we have LDAP, new possibilities will emerge	[22:03]
fabricius	marclaporte: what I read about LDAP? Tiki as LDAP server? LDAP built in Tiki natively? missunderstood? afk brb	[22:18]
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sylvieg	what do we need to do now when addign a new perms in installer schema . I thought user_permissions was not used any more? fabricius no tiki has no ldap server it communicates only to a ldap server with a couple of formats...	[22:52]
fabricius	sylvieg: sure, but I was just stumbling over that what Marc mentioned: "but indeed, once we have LDAP, new possibilities will emerge" I was kind of not-believing, but hoping the unhopable ;-)	[22:59]
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fabricius	Ja ei der Jyhem ... wie geht's? Comment �a va? Jyhem_laptop	[23:01]
Jyhem_laptop	s'geht so… My laptop just froze and I can't figure out why did you solve the encoding issue the other night ?	[23:02]
fabricius	no, nearly but slightly misse is still no strike missed I am fighting with the backup and reimport the problem is that they have 130 MB of files in the table_files I can get them out, but whatsoever I try, the last import makes a double entry error	[23:04]
Jyhem_laptop	Ohh, is that the same project as the DROP table issue ?	[23:06]
fabricius	I do not want to swicth to directory in their original installation YES! it is awful and in the meantime somehow magically the original database (they say) is corrupt ... missconfigured in one or two points .... but nobody known did any changes just misterious all the time I had no access, so I do not know what they did and it seems that the original backups somehow are gone or deleted	[23:06]
Jyhem_laptop	Yes, nobody ever did anything.	[23:08]
fabricius	so I now desperately try to get an early version, a dump with a filefree database and a filestructure outside the tikiroot and zip that a clean working base backe up and untouche in the then original want to workout from there	[23:09]
Jyhem_laptop	Hmmm, classic example of so called "security" which is just setting pit traps where legitimate people need to walk :-( And when nobody can get any work done, they kind of assume that they are "safe".	[23:11]
fabricius	then I can take many dumps of that i want and try upgrades and recodings and whatsoever until we have an entity free version with complete content	[23:11]
Jyhem_laptop	So you rebuild their system at home ?	[23:12]
fabricius	I rebuild it on their server but three days I had my son with me, so no work all day, just a bit in the late evening and more different projects there but I think, they are in a hurry now ... free tomorrow, so I hope, I can help	[23:12]
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