[00:04] refizul question about sf download hyperlink schema at http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.1/Verification/
[00:05] refizul the files' url end with $NAME/download
[00:06] refizul is it possible to get rid of that? I copy the link and paste it to the commandline to wget the file and then the name is "download"
[00:07] refizul e.g. wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.1/Verification/tiki-9.1.tar.gz.gpg/download
[00:08] refizul or is there a reason to take the hyperlink that way? Is it enforced by sf?
[00:11] refizul the download itself already works without the /download part
[00:31] refizul Is there a http/https toggle button or something, so that a visitor can choose the protocol easily? Example: http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Main_page -- upper right, below log in
[00:36] fabricius don't think so ... never seen in Tiki
[00:37] fabricius btw. the ftp is still putting the files over to the other server
[00:38] fabricius in the meantime I found a php unzip file, translated, downloaded and unzipped 3 different Tiki versions
[00:38] fabricius that's much faster I guess
[00:38] fabricius and got food and ... :-)
[00:38] fabricius but it works
[00:39] fabricius what you are onto right now refizul ?
[00:43] marclaporte refizul:  dunno but maybe in #sourceforge, someone would know?
[00:45] refizul fabricius: I'm collecting info, studying the tiki dev philosophy and considering the best way to continue (with documentation of every step)
[00:46] refizul marclaporte: are they on freenode here?
[00:49] fabricius refizul: cool
[00:49] refizul they link to webchat "Real-Time Support"? oO(...) :-)
[00:50] fabricius marclaporte: the downloadpage on info is massively outdated (and I assume it is not the only one)
[00:51] fabricius marclaporte: I think I join the release team to focus on that task - it is related to the websiterevamp anyway, where I am on
[00:52] fabricius not yet far enough for packaging, but the surrounding stuff like downloadpage must be looked after aswell
[00:52] fabricius maybe I chat with rick aswell, as he makes the announcements, is working on the revamp aswell ...
[00:53] fabricius marclaporte: coming thursday is release? one day 1/2 about?
[00:58] refizul marclaporte: maybe we get an answer during business hours 1200-2100 UTC
[01:20] refizul about dealing with the svn repository: is there any recommendation of a development environment?
[01:22] refizul or is it a better method to keep command line and editor?
[02:26] marclaporte fabricius:  glad you are up to take more responsibility!
[02:27] marclaporte refizul:  I just use shell an edit files directly on the server and commit
[02:27] marclaporte refizul: many people here like phpstorm
[02:27] marclaporte fabricius:  did you read http://tiki.org/Evolution+of+participation#An_example_of_a_happy_path ?
[02:30] marclaporte You could also help with http://tiki.org/Wishlist+Team
[02:45] marclaporte refizul:  one important thing in the Tiki dev philosphy is commit early & often
[02:45] marclaporte So that "easy" cookie thing, go for it, and that's how you get feedback from other devs
[02:50] refizul marclaporte: if the units itself are small, edit and command line are fine. Sometimes I use codeblocks, but I've got no experience how it works together with svn. I know cb and eclipse have got some issues with those kind of repos
[02:54] refizul the cookie thing: easy means: if you know the code already it can be done in little time. I know very well what's going on at a semantic level but not yet at code level
[02:57] refizul since it is important to understand how the code pieces interact I think it will be a good start to figure out the email blueprint first
[02:59] refizul I need to get familiar with the code and the philosophy, this will take a few days.
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[03:31] marclaporte refizul: if anything is not clear or doesn't fee right in these page: http://dev.tiki.org/cat167, please let us know
[03:32] marclaporte refizul: are you usually a PHP coder?
[03:40] refizul marclaporte: I coded some PHP stuff a few years ago, but actually I do either compiler stuff or admin scripting.
[03:43] refizul It's not the point something special is unclear. It's more like I've got my own method to learn and understand. It's slow at the beginning, but then it explodes exponentially (I hope)
[03:44] refizul Usually I do not start at a part of the mosaic but I try to see the whole picture.
[03:47] refizul At least I need to understand the project's skeleton, and to distinguish the important and critical parts from surface stuff.
[03:49] refizul Digging into a 140MB project isn't something done at a Sunday afternoon ;-)
[03:50] refizul I'm pretty confident that I'll find my path through the jungle, and I'm not afraid to ask a lot of questions when they arise.
[03:52] marclaporte super!
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[03:53] refizul Some people around here fear me when I start with questions.
[03:56] refizul The simplest questions are the most difficult ones at the end.
[03:58] refizul Actually I'm in a philosophical dilemma. I must decide how and where to set up my environment.
[03:59] refizul Server? Desktop? Desktop with a chroot? Virtual machine on desktop?
[04:02] refizul A wrong decision here will cause a lot of work in the long run. I need to take in consideration that I want to work from another client.
[04:03] refizul I can sync my workspace up to a server and down to another machine. I can use a remote desktop environment. Or...
[04:07] refizul This decision affects the scripts I need for automatization. And before this infrastructure isn't built I'll definitely not start, because this'd lead into chaos.
[04:07] marclaporte Can you elaborate on the automatization you have in mind?
[04:08] refizul And now it occurs that the best solution here probably is something which I never did, but it's been on my todo list for a long time.
[04:09] refizul Do you have experience with nested virtualization?
[04:09] refizul I guess I need a KVM virtual machine with a Xen VM inside.
[04:11] refizul This would make synchronization (rsync/ssh) and usage of several clients very easy, and it wouldn't disturb my default working environment.
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[04:13] Dylan_ Can anyone help?  I'm having problems getting the tracker plugin to work.  I'm trying to get tracker 2 to display in a wiki page.  Here is the code I'm using: {rss id="trackerId2" max="5" date="1" desc="1" showtitle="1"}.  The result is a blank page however.
[04:18] refizul Dylan_: Was the tracker created properly?
[04:20] Dylan_ I believe so.  The RSS feed for the tracker is working.
[04:20] refizul Can it be a permission issue?
[04:21] Dylan_ Thanks Refizul.  It's possible but I'm pretty sure I've set all permissions correctly and am logged in as admin.
[04:22] Dylan_ Are there any permissions that you can think of that I should check?
[04:22] marclaporte Dylan_:  there is a bug in RSS
[04:26] marclaporte check the RSS code
[04:26] marclaporte https://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5   XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
[04:26] marclaporte It's because of extra f before <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[04:28] marclaporte This is the bug: http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-12135
[04:32] Dylan_ Thanks Marclaporte.  For me the tracker is working fine: http://scl.host852.com/tiki-tracker_rss.php?ver=5&trackerId=2
[04:32] Dylan_ I mean RSS seems to be working fine.
[04:33] Dylan_ The issue is getting the Tracker/RSS feed to display in a wiki page.
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[04:35] refizul Is the opening ``{rss'' correct?
[04:36] help-me hello
[04:36] help-me refizul
[04:37] help-me can you help me please!
[04:37] refizul help-me: yes?
[04:37] help-me i have a problem with tiki article
[04:37] help-me tiki version 9.0
[04:38] help-me only user admin can preview
[04:38] help-me register preview-->blank format text
[04:40] help-me hix hix hix
[04:42] refizul help-me: check all the permissions
[04:43] help-me I config permission register and admin are the same
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[04:46] Dylan_ You may be right Refizul.  I'm not sure that code is correct.  I can get my blog to display in a wiki page with {BLOGLIST(Id=>2, Items=>5)}{BLOGLIST}
[04:46] Dylan_ I'm trying to do the same for a tracker.
[04:46] refizul Dylan_: I guess some code must be there. But with rss I can reproduce the problem
[04:46] Tamler Would it be kosher to ask a question about installing the software?
[04:47] refizul Tamler: sure
[04:48] refizul help-me: no idea what's wrong with preview, sorry
[04:48] help-me hix hix
[04:48] help-me if i start LDAP
[04:49] help-me i can't config some permission
[04:49] help-me can I config some permission?
[04:50] Tamler I'm using a shared db server with a specific port and the install keeps failing to resolve the host:port. I have tested and all settings are correct.
[04:52] Tamler Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I've checked the forums and found older posts with similar issues, but no resolution.
[04:54] refizul host, port, db-name, db-user and db-password are really correct?
[04:55] Tamler yes, i tested and all is well.
[04:55] Tamler I have a bd connection test script
[04:55] Tamler db even
[04:55] refizul php supports database stuff?
[04:56] Tamler yes, test script is php, and the installation script runs up until the point of trying to connect to db
[04:57] Tamler without the :port the script will run but the host will not let me in due to the specific port for the account.
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[04:58] refizul can you try port rewrite (NAT) for testing?
[04:59] Tamler i am not admin on the db machine and it is a shared host webserver
[04:59] refizul not the db, your machine
[05:00] refizul hm - ok, not on the webserver
[05:00] Tamler I do not know then.
[05:00] Tamler I have other CMS that work with the same setup
[05:02] help-me who help me please?hix hix hix!!!!
[05:04] marclaporte Tamler:  which hosting company?  Like Dreamhost or something?
[05:05] marclaporte help-me: did you see http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication ?
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[05:08] help-me yes
[05:08] marclaporte Tamler:  did you try http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation
[05:08] refizul hm - I run a test install
[05:08] refizul I see there is no field for port
[05:08] Tamler yeah
[05:09] Tamler i've been using :port
[05:09] refizul marclaporte: can tiki be used on different db ports?
[05:10] help-me but I can preview article
[05:10] refizul I suppose "host:port" could be interpreted as hostname, not as combination. But I don't know.
[05:10] help-me i'm not ideal of my problem
[05:10] help-me help me please
[05:10] refizul This would be a feature request if this is not posible.
[05:11] Tamler yikes
[05:12] refizul Tamler: do you have ftp access?
[05:13] refizul check this file: lib/core/Zend/Queue/Adapter/Db/mysql.sql
[05:14] refizul look for Host or Host: localhost:3306
[05:17] Tamler i'm looking tho
[05:19] refizul ah - no, wrong file
[05:20] refizul maybe the mysqli.default_port
[05:20] refizul can you modify php.ini or something?
[05:22] refizul or try to modify db/local.php
[05:24] refizul replace the line $host_tiki='localhost';
[05:24] marclaporte http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/db/tiki-db-pdo.php?content-type=text%2Fplain
[05:27] refizul I guess host:port does not work with mysql, but I'm not sure (and I need sleep)
[05:28] refizul I need to check that in a clean environment
[05:28] refizul maybe tomorrow
[05:29] refizul but this is an important question
[05:30] refizul back in some hours
[05:53] marclaporte help-me:  So I confirm two problems with articles   (preview and save)
[05:55] marclaporte refizul:  nested virtualization : I have no experience
[05:56] marclaporte {rss id="trackerId2"  is not valid
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[05:59] marclaporte id is supposed to be a valid RSS feed ID that you set as per http://doc.tiki.org/PluginRSS
[06:04] marclaporte You must create the feedID at tiki-admin_rssmodules.php
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[06:07] marclaporte Dylan_:  ^^
[06:07] marclaporte Dylan: RSS feeds are to send data to other sites or to pull data from other sites. If you want to do this within a Tiki site, you should use the relevant plugin or module.
[06:09] marclaporte Use this instead: http://doc.tiki.org/Module+last_tracker_items
[06:09] Dylan_ Thanks, Marc.  I will try that.
[06:11] marclaporte In a wiki page, it could be something like this:  {module module="last_tracker_items" decoration="n" max="1" notitle="y",trackerId=5,name=Subject,max=1,nonums=y}
[06:31] Dylan_ Perfect.  Thank you, Marc.
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[11:10] marclaporte refizul and Tamler:   about mysql.example.com:3307 instead of localhost -> http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-01-15,7&sel=19#l15
[11:14] marclaporte Someone resolved but seems to have disappeared before documenting: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-11-17,Wed&sel=514#l510
[11:14] marclaporte this person wrote: got it to work on port 3307 by editing php.ini to set default port and using mysql rather than mysqli
[11:17] marclaporte Something related http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-11-21,Sat&sel=48#l44
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[12:45] ricks99 polom y'all
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[13:05] fabricius moloq
[13:08] ricks99 hi fabricius
[13:23] fabricius how r you ricks99 ?
[13:23] fabricius everything is working out well?
[13:25] ricks99 still early in morning for me. need more coffee :)
[13:28] fabricius Ah I just made a can .. send u a pot: d_|
[13:29] fabricius I am fighting with an ugly problem since a few days and dig deeper and deeper
[13:29] ricks99 1 sec.. brb
[13:31] fabricius np
[13:50] ricks99 back.
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[15:35] jonnyb poloms in the afternoon
[15:38] ricks99 polom jonnyb
[15:38] jonnyb hi ricks99
[15:38] jonnyb good to hear of the book update coming for 9 LTS, thanks!
[15:39] ricks99 slowly but surely
[15:40] ricks99 never enough hours in the day
[15:40] jonnyb usually :P
[15:44] fabricius 2moloq Jyhem
[15:44] fabricius 2moloq jonnyb
[15:44] jonnyb hi fabricius
[15:45] fabricius arrgl ... managed stuff on their server, but now have to import locally and the table_files seems to be corrupted
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[15:47] fabricius1 my head is swirrling
[15:47] fabricius1 haha I am two now
[15:50] jonnyb sounds grim IAMfabricius - best of luck!
[15:50] IAMfabricius maybe the shadow will disappear  ... ah
[15:51] * fabricius needs a fag
[15:52] fabricius jonnyb: yes ... I try to solve it and I learn much whilst I do ... but anyway, it eats time hour by hour and day by day
[15:54] fabricius jonnyb: how long it needs to open a 130M large file in a text editor ... there seems to be an error in line 84 aaaaaaaarhgghhh
[16:07] fabricius no point to open such a large file
[16:08] * fabricius starts crying
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[16:14] Jyhem_laptop Hi fabricius. You just want to see line 83-85 ?
[16:14] Jyhem_laptop head -n 85 file | tail -n 3
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[16:15] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: in shell / nano?
[16:15] fabricius or just shell?
[16:16] fabricius maybe the original dump made with phpmyadmin was corrupt - I just dumped the table again with mysqldumper
[16:16] Jyhem_laptop just shell
[16:16] fabricius I try to import that first and see, if another error
[16:17] fabricius ok thx Jyhem_laptop
[16:18] Jyhem_laptop meaning, you can display without editing. Opening 13
[16:18] Jyhem_laptop Opening huge file sin editors can take time and RAM
[16:18] Jyhem_laptop s/file sin/files in/
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[16:28] jonnyb fabricius: (and hi Jyhem_laptop) - i've found if you have a lot of binary in your database using "Use hexadecimal for BLOB" on export from phpmyadmin sometimes helps
[16:29] fabricius thx, I try straight away
[16:39] fabricius jonnyb: if I am right, I had "use hex..." ticked all the time
[16:40] jonnyb it's probably the default - if it's not working like that try unchecking it maybe?
[16:40] fabricius tried
[16:45] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: if I can view only them 3 lines in the shell, couldn't I edit only the three lines aswell?
[16:45] fabricius maybe with nano?
[16:45] jonnyb so fabricius - can you recap (sorry) - where are you stuck now? exporting, uploading or importing?
[16:46] jonnyb can you share the file? (dropbox or something) - i'll try and have a look
[16:47] refizul about yesterday's wget download problem with filenames: http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/community-docs/downloading-via-cli/
[16:48] refizul wget --trust-server-names http://[...] does the job
[16:49] fabricius refizul: thx
[16:49] refizul that's what they told in #sourceforge
[16:49] jonnyb nice, thanks refizul - anywhere on doc.t.o this might fit as a troubleshooting tip? :)
[16:50] fabricius jonnyb: I try to import the table tiki_files, which contains over 360 files and there is an error message, that in line 84 there is a wrong number of ?columns? (or so) and import stos with line 83
[16:51] fabricius haha I managed to open the file in nano!
[16:51] fabricius I love the shell
[16:51] fabricius every day more
[16:51] fabricius one day I will become a text-junky
[16:52] jonnyb you're welcome to it, fabricius - i generally download stuff and work on it locally, like in the 21st century! :)
[16:52] fabricius wooop that was a hbit jonnyb
[16:52] fabricius a hit
[16:52] fabricius anybody knows the shell editor nano? I need to show the line numbers
[16:53] refizul fabricius: a GUI is an important tool to manage all the xterms used for real work
[16:55] refizul fabricius: try ALT + C
[16:56] refizul no, CTRL+C
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[16:58] Harman hello guys
[16:58] fabricius refizul: tried CTRL+C and helped, thx
[16:58] fabricius hi harm
[16:58] refizul fabricius: open the file with: nano -c filename
[16:58] Harman need help with custom css header in tiki... i wish to center the logo..
[16:58] Harman hello fab
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[16:59] Harman my methods of centering logo didnt work..
[17:00] fabricius hah refizul that's cool
[17:00] fabricius thx
[17:02] fabricius hmm after line 83 I have mainly stuff like this:
[17:02] fabricius �^@U^B�^A�^@^M^@^C@^G^OX^]J�нֽ{^MQ��;Ԍz�$�V�%�r�^@�U�^][ьƶ��Uݶ\\��ݶM��Ķ0^QB��U�?[��䑚�f�Z7^Lȑ^U^Q^TKG^\^K$
[17:02] fabricius and I have 687928 lines ouch!
[17:03] fabricius seems that's why it brakes somehow
[17:04] fabricius I do not know, how the files are saved in the original database, which is set in charset latin1
[17:04] fabricius it seems, that I cannot get it out
[17:04] fabricius maybe download 360 files manually?
[17:04] jonnyb that doesn't look like it's exported as hex, looks like raw binary to me
[17:04] fabricius yes
[17:05] fabricius the hole thing is weird
[17:05] fabricius I guess that happens, when you do not setup the app alright from scratch
[17:05] jonnyb best thing i would have thought would be to move the files to the filesystem in 6.x, then upgrade (but if you can't take a good backup it's a bit dangerous)
[17:06] fabricius right at the moment I am at the point, that I promised not to touch the original database
[17:06] fabricius once we fuck that, we ared done
[17:07] fabricius but generally I fully agree with you
[17:09] refizul fabricius: can you dump the database?
[17:09] jonnyb is this file one exported using mysqldump via ssh?
[17:10] fabricius jonnyb: no - I tried mysqldumper and phpmyadmin so far ... I cannot export via ssh, cause I have no ssh access
[17:11] jonnyb ok, the only ssh is on the new server, right?
[17:11] fabricius refizul: yes, I have several dumps, made with diferent settings (started from standart) aswell with phpmyadmin as with mysqldumper
[17:11] jonnyb have you tried adminer?
[17:11] jonnyb http://www.adminer.org
[17:11] fabricius I have ssh on my server, but actually I work locally ... and on their server trying to get the table in the right format, respectively uncorrupted
[17:12] fabricius I tried adminer yesterday morning, but I did not get it running
[17:12] fabricius I could try again, if you recommend
[17:13] jonnyb no idea really, just another option
[17:14] jonnyb you tried exporting the tiki_files table separately?
[17:15] fabricius yes ... I also exported the whole db ... but as the main problem seems to be the table
[17:15] ricks99 argh... trying to include some php within a custom/user module. tried {php}....{/php} but no good. what's the secret?
[17:16] jonnyb ricks99: i think there's a pref to enable that somewhere
[17:16] fabricius is that a smarty ricks99 ?
[17:16] fabricius like {wiki}
[17:17] fabricius maybe you need {php}{literal} ... {/literal}[/php}?
[17:17] ricks99 thx jonnyb. turning off smarty security did the trick!
[17:17] lphuberdeau if you need PHP, why not just create a module?
[17:18] lphuberdeau security settings are not just annoyances...
[17:19] ricks99 lphuberdeau: yeah, might look at that. was hoping to do everythign from within tiki
[17:20] lphuberdeau disabling smarty security is just removing one of those protections that prevent really bad escalations if something goes wrong with the site
[17:20] lphuberdeau I can't think of a single place where this should be recommended
[17:20] ricks99 y. there's alwasys a balance between securty and functionlity
[17:20] lphuberdeau creating a module really is just adding a template and a php file
[17:22] lphuberdeau there are some cases where balance is quite easy to determine, this is one of them
[17:22] ricks99 thanks!
[17:22] fabricius lphuberdeau: asking about the workspace enhancements you made ...
[17:22] refizul How is it possible to edit "Download" at info.t.o?
[17:22] fabricius refizul: need permission
[17:23] fabricius refizul: whatzup?
[17:23] ricks99 refizul: what to change?
[17:23] refizul the wget stuff
[17:23] fabricius lphuberdeau: you made some stuff with data channels - which I not yet understood ... think it has s.th. to do with yaml? ;-)
[17:24] refizul doc.t.o download is a redirection to info
[17:24] fabricius lphuberdeau: on creating a workspace certain things are setup, like a group, a namespace, a wikipage
[17:24] ricks99 refizul: try dev.tiki.org/download
[17:26] Harman anybody help me with custom header css!!!!
[17:26] refizul Get+code is svn stuff, isn't it?
[17:26] fabricius lphuberdeau:  I want to do two things: I) setting up default values for the elements of the workspaces (like default group permissions, content templates etc. II) I want to add more stuff like a forum for each workspace, a file gallery for each workspace ... all with certain preset perms and prefs related to the specific workspace group
[17:27] ricks99 refizul: what are you trying to do?
[17:27] fabricius refizul: yes
[17:27] refizul the wget info should be somewhere in doc
[17:27] ricks99 Harman: it depends what your question is
[17:28] refizul the sf issue with /download at the end of hyperlinks
[17:28] lphuberdeau fabricius, the UI allows you to set-up the groups and the permissions
[17:28] fabricius lphuberdeau: how can I extend or interfere with the creation process?
[17:28] fabricius ok
[17:28] Harman i wish to center the logo image in a perpective
[17:28] Harman so i am gonna add custom css header to that perpective
[17:28] ricks99 refizul: believe it is in the Install guide on doc.tiki.org
[17:29] refizul ricks99: I'll check that
[17:29] ricks99 Harman: when you add the module, can include css for align:center
[17:29] Harman let me try that
[17:30] ricks99 see docs for details: doc.tiki.org/module
[17:30] fabricius Harman: maybe: perspective - category - theme-option - theme control -> theme-option for category or theme-option for perspective
[17:30] fabricius or Harman different logo-module for perspective or for category
[17:31] ricks99 bbl
[17:31] refizul http://doc.tiki.org/Installation&structure=Tiki+Installation+Guide  --  2. Download and unzip - refers to info.t.o
[17:32] fabricius lphuberdeau: let's say, I want a specific type of file-gallery and a forum for each workgroup, how can I add this (extending the creation datachannel? is that the right path to go?)
[17:32] lphuberdeau you can also set-up wiki pages
[17:33] lphuberdeau but yes, if you want more for the moment, you need to go in advanced mode, and there it's similar to a data channel, which is a specialized form of profile
[17:33] fabricius lphuberdeau: there is a consulting portal in my mind --- family-law cases --- each person/case get's a default workspace and different teams will get access there
[17:35] lphuberdeau but really, in my view, you don't really need additional file galleries - files are categorized and the category jail automagically filters those
[17:39] fabricius I am in an early stage and have not yet considered with the interested people, how to structure the files (definitely stored in directory btw)
[17:40] lphuberdeau you can have a tree structure for those documents, it just does not need to be per-project
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[17:40] fabricius a tree-structure without gallery?
[17:41] lphuberdeau file galleries as a tree for the types of document if you wish, but the project/case is a category
[17:41] fabricius or are you thinking about different galleries for different types? ah yes
[17:42] lphuberdeau switch to the case, and you view the files for that case in a common structure
[17:42] lphuberdeau (of file galleries)
[17:42] fabricius this project mainly would deal with similar types (text a odt, pdf, maybe doc and maybe very rarely  table or presentation)
[17:42] lphuberdeau it's not about the binary format of the files
[17:43] lphuberdeau you could have court summaries, communications, or other things lawyers deal with
[17:43] fabricius the treestructure for this specific project would have to be on a per case basis ... this is how the guys are working up to now
[17:43] lphuberdeau it does not matter if it's a photo or a document
[17:44] fabricius but maybe another structure makes more sense --- so I am open to that
[17:44] lphuberdeau they do it the way they do it right now because a shared drive is the tool they have
[17:45] fabricius court summaries, communications etc. as type/gallery and that filtered by case/category might be really smart
[17:45] Harman Fabricius Ricks99: I added new logo module for mobile perpective and then added align:center but after that logo is still on left but now has plenty margin from top
[17:46] fabricius Harman: do you ever worked with *inspect element*?
[17:46] Harman ah nope!
[17:46] fabricius Harman: setup a themeoption (styles/themename/option/optionname.css)
[17:47] fabricius then apply this themeoption in the perspective
[17:47] fabricius -> thus you needed even not a different logomodule
[17:48] fabricius and then rightclick the logo in your browser and click on *inspect element*
[17:48] fabricius see what happens
[17:48] fabricius pleaswe try with Chrome and with Firefox
[17:48] Harman i have one question.. if i have like different module for different perpectives, would that in any way increase loading times?
[17:48] fabricius -w
[17:48] Harman ok let me try
[17:49] fabricius Harman:  hmm I do not think so, but lphuberdeau would know best
[17:50] Harman Iphuberdeau: What do u think?
[17:50] lphuberdeau Harman: yes, it does
[17:50] fabricius ^^
[17:50] lphuberdeau that's why deep category module filtering was added
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[17:51] Harman whoops! whats deep category module
[17:51] lphuberdeau so you can group your similar perspectives/jails and re-use those modules
[17:51] fabricius so lphuberdeau different modules for different categories will not increase loading times?
[17:52] lphuberdeau it's the total amount of modules that cause trouble
[17:52] fabricius lphuberdeau: you mean what you added in Barcelona - category tree?
[17:52] lphuberdeau if you have 100 workspaces with 3 modules each, that's 300 modules to search through every request
[17:52] fabricius for modules
[17:53] lphuberdeau if all those workspaces are actually very similar and they are bound to a parent category, that makes 3 modules
[17:53] lphuberdeau 297 iterations saved
[17:55] lphuberdeau I don't remember the exact name of it, but it's new options on all modules
[17:56] fabricius visibility in category tree I am pretty sure ... you added cause I came by bike :-D
[17:56] fabricius just kidding
[17:56] fabricius wouldn't it make sense to add "not in category tree" aswell?
[17:57] lphuberdeau already there
[17:57] Harman lol.. if tiki were not for free, i would have definitily spent money on it
[17:57] fabricius ah cool
[17:58] fabricius and "not in perspective"? I think that would be handy ... for ex if you need "not in mobile perspective" or so
[17:59] lphuberdeau you might need to bike to montreal to convince me of that one
[17:59] fabricius hehe ... maybe I'll do
[18:04] Harman yes definitely its pretty handy, who came up with that idea by the way/
[18:04] Harman ?
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[18:07] lphuberdeau what idea?
[18:08] Harman module having specific perpective visibility option.
[18:09] lphuberdeau http://dev.tiki.org/Workspace
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[18:11] lphuberdeau hmm.. new link to viewvc is good, but I miss the commit message
[18:14] * jonnyb agrees with lphuberdeau
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[18:15] * Jyhem agrees with lphuberdeau & jonnyb
[18:16] Jyhem message was "correct typo" in fr/language.php
[18:16] lphuberdeau clicking on a link to realize it's just typo fixing is disappointing ;)
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[18:16] Jyhem I can imagine :)
[18:23] * fabricius agrees with lphuberdeau, jonnyb & Jyhem
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[18:44] jonnyb lphuberdeau: what does category_jail_root do? something to do with workspace root i'm guessing (looking at the $considerCategoryFilter bit of getCategories())
[18:53] lphuberdeau category jail only affects under the root when defined
[18:53] lphuberdeau so categories outside of Workspaces are not affected by the jail (they can be selected from objects when editing)
[18:55] jonnyb i found when i added some "outside" categs to category_jail_root in my perspective, those categs disappear (when in that persp) - so seems to work the other way around for me
[19:01] lphuberdeau well, I have a few workspaces created using the ui
[19:01] lphuberdeau and I created categories outside the workspace root
[19:01] lphuberdeau if I switch to a workspace's perspective and edit the home page of that workspace
[19:02] lphuberdeau the categories tab has the workspace category selected, and the outside categories are available
[19:02] lphuberdeau that's  the expected behabbior
[19:03] jonnyb right, so i'm adding this "share_common" option to areas, so when share_common is off that bit should work the other way round for outside categs - i think
[19:05] lphuberdeau I didn't really follow on what that was all about
[19:07] jonnyb just yell if i break anything, i'll try not too :)
[19:08] lphuberdeau it's really not like I was testing everything constantly
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[19:35] jonnyb food time, more tomorrow...
[20:00] refizul I'm digging deeper into things than I intended... about the mysql stuff:
[20:01] refizul I assume the classical host:port doens't work with php/mysql.
[20:02] refizul there are variables mysql.default_port and mysqli.default_port in php.ini
[20:03] refizul if there is a value fixed, the situation is really bad, if a user can not change it
[20:05] refizul if there is no value, the compiled-in value will be taken (or with more precedence the value in /etc/services) unless you use the variable $MYSQL_TCP_PORT
[20:06] refizul I guess this is the reason why free choice of port isn't completely implemented in tiki
[20:07] refizul On a default Debian mysqli.default_port is set to 3306 but mysql.default_port is empty
[20:07] refizul This allows dirty hacks
[20:08] refizul we can implement $MYSQL_TCP_PORT into the tiki code an help users to work around some problems, even if this looks a bit ugly and installation isn't straight forward
[20:10] lphuberdeau I don't understand what the problem is
[20:10] lphuberdeau you can configure mysql to start on a specific port and you can configure tiki to connect to mysql on a specific port
[20:10] refizul this is the essence, maybe I'll write some more details on list
[20:11] refizul the problem is: a user without server, just with webspace and a database access, cannot change the settings
[20:12] refizul this was the case 15 hours ago
[20:12] refizul the databse was running on a non default port
[20:13] refizul he could not change mysql port nor php.ini
[20:14] lphuberdeau tiki's db/local.php?
[20:14] refizul well - what is the setting there for a non default mysql port?
[20:14] lphuberdeau tiki does not rely on default settings
[20:14] refizul it seems that host:port does not work
[20:15] lphuberdeau hmm
[20:16] lphuberdeau actually there isn't
[20:16] lphuberdeau I am really surprised about this
[20:16] lphuberdeau try setting the host to 'localhost;port=3307'
[20:17] refizul maybe it does not work only for mysqli with the mysqli.default_port setting, so you cannot override. This needs to be checked.
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[20:19] lphuberdeau tiki doesn't use mysqli directly...
[20:20] lphuberdeau it's either through PDO or AdoDB, both which use DNS strings
[20:24] refizul lphuberdeau: great - this is the syntax we were looking for. It seems to work.
[20:26] refizul ah - stop. test did not confirm that
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[20:32] refizul hm - it seems to work. and more: it switches from mysqli to mysql
[20:34] Mammy The many Tooltips do not show up in FireFox 12 (and others), but do show up in MSIE.  It looks like the icon-buttons's attributes are miscoded.  It only works in MSIE because MSIE is non-compliant.
[20:37] Mammy Tiki Wiki is incredibly unsophisticated and unrefined.  The first form field on pages does not have focus.  Even beginning programmers ensure this!
[20:37] Mammy BYE !
[20:39] lphuberdeau now that was a detailed bug report
[20:44] refizul test 1: SQLSTATE[HY000] [2003] Can't connect to MySQL server on 'tikitest' (111)
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[20:50] refizul test 2: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'tikitest01'@'tikitest.example.com' (using password: NO)
[20:51] refizul lphuberdeau: the syntax seems to work
[20:51] lphuberdeau I know
[20:52] refizul but now another thing disturbs me - php.ini
[20:53] refizul I set mysql.default_port to 3307 but this did not work
[20:53] lphuberdeau because it might not use the mysql extension
[20:54] lphuberdeau if it is available, tiki will favor using PDO, which is independent of mysql or mysqli
[20:54] lphuberdeau if PDO is not available, it will use AdoDB, which might just apply it's own default, overriding whatever is in php.ini
[20:55] refizul Is this documented in doc.t.o?
[20:57] lphuberdeau I don't know, I don't read much documentation myself
[20:58] refizul What's about writing? ;-)
[20:58] lphuberdeau well, you can write it now that you know
[20:58] lphuberdeau I write enough documentation as it is
[20:58] refizul I'll summarize the mysql stuff
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[22:04] refizul A new hash is born...
[22:05] refizul http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/winner_sha-3.html
[23:07] Jyhem svn commit lang/fr/language.php -m "Correct and consistent translation of passcode (thanks Olaf)"
[23:08] Jyhem (so lphuberdeau doesn't need to click)
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[23:37] refizul Is it possible to create account related wiki pages? I'd like to have something like a Post-It note to sort my stuff and organize my way through the wiki and project.
[23:39] lphuberdeau search for user pages
[23:54] refizul oh - the community section. I didn't notice this at all until now. All I saw was info, doc and dev. That's what I was looking for, thx.