[00:01] refizul marclaporte: yes, email account handling is heterogenous in the wild, and from a server's point of view smtpd and pop3d/imapd are at least two different daemons. But actually I didn't yet reach the Tiki webmail stuff.
[00:02] fabricius refizul: some hint to "storing files in the directory"
[00:03] fabricius not in the folder /files in the tiki root
[00:03] fabricius create one level higher
[00:03] fabricius files
[00:03] refizul I created local/ in tiki-root
[00:03] fabricius files/archiv files/batchupload files/wiki etc
[00:04] fabricius path then: ../files/archiv ../files/wiki ../files/batchupload etc.
[00:04] fabricius in tikiroot is NOT recommended due to security and upgrade maintenance
[00:05] fabricius thats why I always make a "container" for the tikiwebsites in the server account(s) and there a "container" for the sites and inside the tikiroots
[00:07] refizul ? now I'm confused about the containers
[00:07] fabricius tikiwebsites tikiwebsites/site1 tikiwebsite/site2 tikiwebsites/site1/files tikiwebsites/site1/tikiversion
[00:07] refizul ah - ok
[00:07] fabricius tikiwebsites would be the "container" folder for all the tikiwebsites
[00:07] refizul but where to store uploads?
[00:08] fabricius and site1 would be the container for the files and the tikiroot
[00:08] fabricius uploads into the filegallery you mean?
[00:08] refizul something like this, yes
[00:08] fabricius or batchupload for the batchimport to tiki?
[00:08] fabricius ah
[00:08] refizul any upload not tiki intern
[00:09] fabricius hmm all uploads would be "tikiintern" ... ah you mean kind of useruploads instead of webmasterupload for theme etc.
[00:10] refizul yes, user generated content
[00:10] fabricius userupload to tiki then (with tiki as frontend / file gallery)
[00:11] fabricius let's prepare the file gallery first for a SVN checkout of the actual Trunk
[00:11] refizul I want a clear distinction without mix up between the tiki tree and the external stuff
[00:11] fabricius we take "site1" which has the domain example.com - I assume a linux webserver
[00:12] fabricius yes just listen for a minute ;-)
[00:12] fabricius new webhost
[00:13] fabricius create /tikiwebsites (it is the first site to install of a few)
[00:13] fabricius then the container for site1 = example.com
[00:13] fabricius create /tikiwebsites/example.com
[00:13] fabricius now the folder for the SVN checkout (we have ssh access)
[00:14] fabricius /tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK
[00:14] fabricius now the directory for the files
[00:14] fabricius /tikiwebsites/example.com/files
[00:15] fabricius there for the file gallery (I take the German noun "archiv")
[00:15] fabricius /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/archiv
[00:15] fabricius and if we need a higher number of files, than batchupload would be handy
[00:16] fabricius /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
[00:16] fabricius same for wiki, tracker, forum, podcasts
[00:17] fabricius now we head on to the browser to get Tiki (this we made with shh, maybe directly with the Linux shell or the putty)
[00:18] fabricius dev.tiki.org/get+code and copy the line of code for trunk
[00:18] fabricius back to the shell and checkout into tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK
[00:19] fabricius database credentials are written down somewhere, domain is applied to the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK ... run the installer etc. login and lock the installer
[00:20] fabricius now tiki-admin.php?page=filegallery
[00:20] fabricius there look for the setting for the file storage
[00:20] fabricius untick database and tick directory instead
[00:21] fabricius now you have to type in the path: ../files/archiv
[00:21] fabricius same for batchupload (maybe scroll down or a different tab) -> ../files/batchupload
[00:22] fabricius same for the other features
[00:23] fabricius you should setup a ftp-user *specifically* for the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
[00:23] refizul now I see - you do a complete separation of content data and tiki code
[00:23] fabricius now you can do to things to upload your files to your tiki
[00:23] fabricius yes complete separation
[00:23] fabricius as recommended
[00:24] refizul that's a very good method
[00:24] fabricius sadly I have a customer right now, who did the exact opposit and I have to get the files out of a corrupted latin1 database
[00:25] fabricius but that's a different story ;-)
[00:25] fabricius method one:
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[00:26] fabricius STOP - forgot to create at least one file gallery in our Tiki - we do that right now and ... now want to upload three files to our Tiki
[00:26] fabricius method 1 we use
[00:27] fabricius in tiki to the file gallery and click on "upload file"
[00:28] fabricius see a common upload dialogue and choose file from disc - optional file name, category, whatsoever is offered
[00:29] fabricius next step: at the end of the dialogue find a button like "choose another file" click, choose file, optional settings, "choose another file bla bla ... at the end click on "upload file(s)"
[00:29] fabricius done
[00:30] fabricius but what if you do not want to upload 3 but 30 files?
[00:30] fabricius method 1 would waste a lot of time
[00:31] fabricius so method 2:
[00:31] fabricius ftp all 30 files in one move to the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
[00:31] fabricius back to tiki
[00:31] fabricius file gallery
[00:32] fabricius click on "upload files from directory"
[00:32] fabricius you are prvided with a list of the files you just ftped to the folder batchupload
[00:32] fabricius a tickbox left besides each of the
[00:33] fabricius can choose all or just a few of them, and choose dropdown to import in whatever existing filegallery
[00:33] fabricius done
[00:34] fabricius *)
[00:34] fabricius oops
[00:35] fabricius *please mind* that the subfolders of /files must have the appropriate rights set -> CHMOD  755 or 777, I am not shure
[00:36] fabricius guess you need 777, but that might depend on the webhoster
[00:36] fabricius so you see why it is important not to store in the tikiroot, where the domain points to
[00:37] fabricius any questions? I am finished
[00:37] refizul one question:
[00:38] refizul Where is the button "upload files from directory"? Has it to be activated by the admin?
[00:42] fabricius you need permission for that - Admins see it by default ... maybe it is called slghtly different, let me check ... and batchupload must be activeted in tiki-admin.php?page=figal (sorry I mentioned before =filegallery, but its =fgal)
[00:43] fabricius ahh in my english trunk it's called "Directory Batch"
[00:43] fabricius sorry
[00:44] Tiki|bot New Commit:  marclaporte committed r43289 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43289
[00:44] refizul is this a new feature?
[00:46] fabricius no
[00:48] fabricius I am not sure, if I extended the documentation completely ... s.b. I explained this before did add a bit to the docpage ... actually this is one of the first thing I want to make a screencast from
[00:48] fabricius I have been on setting up the new screen capture feature for this on my website I am setting up these days
[00:49] kstingel can anyone help me with SVN filters?
[00:49] fabricius so maybe this weekend there will be a complete docpage and a video, if everything works out well
[00:49] fabricius hi kstingel what are SVN filters?
[00:50] refizul It is all in http://doc.tiki.org/Batch+Upload but I do not see it.
[00:50] fabricius ah I'll check
[00:50] kstingel I want to prevent my SVN client from adding specific lang folders each time I add a tag revision
[00:51] kstingel ... I only understand English, so to save bandwidth, I wasnt to omit the other languages
[00:51] kstingel - wasnt + want
[00:52] fabricius what you are changing for example kstingel?
[00:53] kstingel I only know very basic SVN .... not changing anything, adding to my checked out tag/x.y folders ... it's been a while, and I'm missing a couple I should have
[00:55] kstingel one rule I do know ... make sure you have the latest version, before changing files :)
[00:56] kstingel I don't have latest version of anything ... is at least 5 months since I updated *oops*
[00:57] kstingel and I don't know command line SVN ... I use TortioseSVN :)
[00:58] ricks99 hi karen. do you simply want to add the non-english language folders to your "ignore" list?
[00:58] ricks99 just right-click on them, and select SVN > Ignore
[01:00] kstingel ricks99:  do I need to do that for each tag subfolder, or can it be done globally? ... that is exactly what I was trying to do :)
[01:01] ricks99 from the gui, you have to do it for each tag. :(
[01:01] kstingel good thing I've only checked out some of the tags then :D
[01:02] ricks99 but, iirc, you can edit the settigns/properities file and and have it globally
[01:03] kstingel *adds "learn proper SVN" to study list*
[01:03] ricks99 lol
[01:03] ricks99 just wait until we move to git! ;-)
[01:04] kstingel whaaaa?
[01:04] kstingel now you're makin me nervous Rick
[01:05] ricks99 git-scm.com
[01:05] kstingel *adds "git" to study list too*
[01:05] ricks99 a distributed scm system
[01:05] refizul doc says: Enable "Directory Batch Uploading" using Tiki's Admin Panel (tiki-admin.php) for the "File Galleries" feature.
[01:06] refizul But there is no "Directory Batch Uploading"
[01:07] ricks99 refizul: are you filtering your admin options?
[01:07] kstingel ricks99: I know what git is ... but I have no idea how to use it ... I've had enuf trouble wiv SVN
[01:07] ricks99 may need to enable advanced and experimental (iirc)
[01:08] refizul ricks99: THX, it's in experimental
[01:08] ricks99 kstingel: been using git for other projects. powerful, but completely different paradigm
[01:08] kstingel refizul: when you enable it, there will be a field for you to enter the folder to permit uploading from ... you need to create the folder
[01:08] ricks99 refizul: remember: you can always search for options.
[01:12] refizul I got it. It's activated and available in the left menu.
[01:19] refizul marclaporte: at webmail, there is a port for IMAP but not for POP3? Why that?
[01:24] marclaporte dunno
[01:24] marclaporte we use Zend Framework stuff behind it so if support by ZF, we should try to use
[01:33] fabricius rehi - my pc was hanging - too much running the same time
[01:36] Tiki|bot New Commit:  marclaporte committed r43290 to the Tiki SVN, changing 3 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43290
[01:39] fabricius marclaporte: I tried the jcapture right this evening
[01:39] fabricius I cannot play the video
[01:41] fabricius are there any issues known?
[01:41] fabricius and I couldn't change the capture size and not choose a specific file gallery
[01:42] marclaporte fabricius:  works for me
[01:42] fabricius that's good to hear
[01:42] marclaporte did you try on demo.tiki.org ?
[01:42] fabricius not yet ... will do in a minute
[01:43] fabricius did you have to configure things in the client? the hammurabi thing I mean
[01:45] fabricius eeek somebody seems to have applied the cartograf profile for demotrunk
[01:46] fabricius eeeeek admin password changed on demo.t.o/trunk?
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[01:54] Jyhem polom
[01:54] Jyhem admin password changed on demo.t.o/9x as well :-(
[01:55] fabricius yes
[01:55] fabricius 8x not yet
[01:55] fabricius somebody makes jokes
[01:55] fabricius maybe
[01:56] fabricius I write Leu an E-mail to reset the pw
[01:56] fabricius or maybe just reset the whole db
[02:00] Jyhem I was about to reset it, but I don't find a rset admin password in the installer
[02:00] Jyhem I thought we had one
[02:02] Jyhem shall I reset databases on demo.t.o/trunk and demo.t.o/9x ?
[02:03] Jyhem Oh, Olaf asked me whether he could get permission to edit French in <i18n.tiki.org>
[02:03] Jyhem Who is familiar with i18n.tiki.org ?
[02:04] fabricius half way I am ... did some translations a while ago
[02:05] fabricius errr why olaf should get permission to translate french, whilst he already is admin on i18n, like we all
[02:05] fabricius is there a special french admin group?
[02:05] fabricius kidding
[02:05] fabricius if he wanted, he could just translate
[02:06] Jyhem Well, I know nothing about i18n.tiki.org. What do you want me to answer him?
[02:06] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Tracker item status does not change when item is updated - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45310
[02:07] fabricius that if he ever have had translated German (Olaf Michael), then he can do French aswell
[02:07] Jyhem Here it is: "NOTE, Jean-Marc that I tried to correct this for i18n.tiki.org but it seems I'm not authorized to make corrections in French."
[02:07] Jyhem That's all I know
[02:07] fabricius hmm if he speaks French
[02:08] fabricius maybe he should change the site language to French before he wants to translate it
[02:08] fabricius it is the same procedure for every language
[02:08] fabricius and there is only one Admin group existing - independant from language
[02:08] fabricius it is simply an error 40
[02:09] fabricius ahaha I know the problem!!!
[02:09] fabricius I'll sort it out in a minute - brbr
[02:09] Jyhem k
[02:13] fabricius should be working, when he logs innext time
[02:13] Jyhem what was it ?
[02:13] fabricius oops no ... made a fault ;-)
[02:13] fabricius another minute
[02:14] Jyhem k
[02:14] fabricius my error 40 now
[02:18] fabricius dunno
[02:18] fabricius you need to view the website in the languge you want to translate to -as you always translate from english
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[02:19] * Jyhem waonders what an error 0 is
[02:19] * Jyhem waonders what an error 40 is
[02:19] fabricius I guess, he did not manage to switch to french ... just did not think about that little detail
[02:19] fabricius ah this
[02:19] fabricius the error 40 is sitting just about 40 cm in front of the screen
[02:20] fabricius I get this error frequently
[02:20] fabricius maybe everybody of us at least from time to time
[02:20] Jyhem ahhhh ! A caseof pebcak
[02:21] Jyhem problem exists between chair and keyboard
[02:22] fabricius YES!
[02:22] fabricius and you cannot get away with it
[02:23] fabricius it just stays there until you stand up
[02:24] fabricius most time I just forget to start looking in front of the computer first
[02:25] fabricius So I just switched his preferred language to French ;-)
[02:25] fabricius Olaf had it in English
[02:26] fabricius but at the right side there is a module to switch languages aswell
[02:30] Jyhem I just passed your explanations. I do not believe French counts as his "preferred language" :)
[02:30] fabricius PICNIC is nice aswell
[02:30] refizul I've just found a typo on security. Line: Subscribe to the Tiki project information on Freecode (previously known as Freshmeat) -- The Link there is http://freecode.com/projects/tikii but should be with a single-i at the end
[02:31] fabricius But if he wants to translate French and does notmanage to switch to the right language this might do it well for the moment ;-)
[02:32] fabricius greet him .. would like to meet him again some time - he is a very nice guy
[02:32] refizul Softaculous tells "Space Required : 91.18 MB" - it's a bit more meanwhile, isn't it?
[02:32] fabricius and ... http://i18n.tiki.org/my to switch back the preffered lang ;-)
[02:33] refizul via http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -> external
[02:37] fabricius refizul: didn't find there
[02:37] refizul fabricius: which one?
[02:37] fabricius second one
[02:37] fabricius via http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -> external
[02:38] refizul it's not on tiki.org: http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -> http://tiki.org/Softaculous -> http://www.softaculous.com/softwares/cms/Tiki_Wiki_CMS_Groupware
[02:40] fabricius ah ok
[02:40] fabricius the best bug reports: I found a bug ... guess where, I give you a hint ;-)
[02:40] fabricius :-D
[02:40] refizul I just noticed the bottom of the pages with the lists of links isn't available at community pages?
[02:40] fabricius the freecode thing I didn't find either
[02:40] Jyhem fabricius: I already sent the email, so I would prefer not to change his account properties without warning (or he will waste time figuring what he did wrong)
[02:41] refizul fabricius: security.tiki.org
[02:41] fabricius ah sorry
[02:42] fabricius I just takehat you did mention yesterday in the IRC and today in the devlist once I have some time ...
[02:42] fabricius take that
[02:46] refizul special week: find ten bugs and get a tiki.org account for free
[02:47] marclaporte refizul, lhuberdeau and Tamler :   http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=43288
[02:48] marclaporte fix 1 bug and and another account for free :-)
[02:50] refizul marclaporte: ah, nice
[02:53] refizul fabricius: should I add the security typo to the mailinglist?
[02:54] Tiki|bot New Commit:  marclaporte committed r43291 to the Tiki SVN, changing 4 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43291
[02:54] fabricius refizul: I thought you already did write him an email?
[02:54] refizul I discovered the tikii one recently.
[02:55] refizul The bugs in the mail are other ones.
[02:57] fabricius just was kidding - but it turns out, that security is not connected intertikiwise to the community sites - so maybe a good idea to add it to another mail
[02:58] fabricius I mean no intertiki, no login for me ;-)
[03:02] fabricius fast man
[03:03] refizul What does "loc" mean in the headline of http://stats.tiki.org/Home?
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[03:11] refizul tiki.org down again?
[03:12] refizul http://dev.tiki.org/ : Tiki is unable to connect to the database
[03:13] marclaporte yes, me too
[03:13] marclaporte refizul: lines of code
[03:14] refizul lines of code? I'm lost. What do you mean?
[03:14] refizul ah
[03:15] refizul sorry - I was confused
[03:15] marclaporte stats.tiki.org gives some wonky stats.  Something is fishy. Maybe no set up properly or not suited to our situation.
[03:16] refizul stats is down here
[03:17] marclaporte https://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki is really good and accurate except for an issue to recognize committers for a few months in 2008
[03:22] marclaporte refizul: when the site comes back, I'll give you edit access to info.tiki.org
[03:22] refizul Is this really a coincidence... I file websites' bugs and someone shuts 'em all down ;-)
[03:29] refizul Is it possible to include CSS via HTML-code in the community UserPage?
[03:30] refizul Some hours ago I got: Plugin execution pending approval
[03:38] marclaporte refizul: what is your username on tiki.org ^
[03:41] refizul marclaporte: fmg
[03:44] Jyhem ciao guys
[03:44] * Jyhem needs sleep
[03:46] marclaporte gn Jyhem
[03:48] marclaporte refizul:  I approved the Plugin execution pending approval.  You have a stray [ on http://tiki.org/UserPagefmg
[03:52] fabricius refizul: I have read some of your articles
[03:55] fabricius interesting
[03:56] refizul that's odd - I count as many [ as ]
[03:58] refizul the sites seem to be back
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[04:14] refizul I removed the [ and ] around DIV, but still no success with the vertical centering
[04:16] refizul and again there is: Plugin execution pending approval
[04:16] refizul fabricius: which ones do you mean?
[04:31] refizul Is there something wrong with avatar upload?
[04:33] refizul it seems it uploads an avatar but then nothing happens
[04:52] refizul marclaporte: is the edit access active? I do not see an edit button yet. Maybe I'll correct the "Berater" page tomorrow then.
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[05:24] marclaporte refizul:  not yet
[05:24] marclaporte I'll do now
[05:24] * marclaporte was reviewing http://tiki.org/Teams
[05:25] marclaporte I am quite pleased now with the split of concern / responsibility
[05:34] marclaporte So we have 18 teams, half are techie, half, not techie
[05:43] marclaporte refizul:  log out from info.tiki.org and relogin
[05:44] marclaporte You are now part of the "InfoTwoEditors" group. I just reviewed the permissions for that group. Please let me know if you are missing any
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[07:46] kstingel SVN error in tag/6.0/lib ... URL https://source.jasig.org/cas-clients/phpcas/branches/1.1-stable/source at revision 26272 doesn't exist ... I'll retry after this checkout completes
[07:50] kstingel failed on retry too
[07:51] kstingel is not a major problem for me ... is only pulled down for reference, not actually being used as Tiki install
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[10:24] help-me who can help me?
[10:24] help-me thankful!!!
[10:26] help-me help me please?
[10:26] help-me hello every body
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[11:53] marclaporte refizul: tikii link fixed. Thank you
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[12:11] arildb marclaporte: Got your email reply. The number of new schemas is not that great. For Tiki 10, I think 2 new tables were defined. So, I am not sure if it's worth the effort to automate the process of checking this.
[12:12] marclaporte oh, so only tables, not all schemas...
[12:12] arildb only tables, yes
[12:12] marclaporte right, but there are several checks
[12:13] marclaporte MyISAM
[12:13] marclaporte Which is sometimes forgotten
[12:14] arildb that's true, but the amount is low, and it's not difficult/lot of work to do a manual check. .... I do a check every now and then
[12:15] marclaporte ok
[12:16] marclaporte do you check http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Drop_Table as well?
[12:16] arildb not yet..will do
[12:17] marclaporte tks
[12:17] arildb It's not a part of my regular checking, no
[12:17] marclaporte also https://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Check__tiki.sql_suffixes
[12:17] marclaporte hehe :-)
[12:17] arildb ok
[12:17] marclaporte those are the scriptable ones
[12:18] marclaporte https://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Structure would be hard to automate
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[12:25] arildb marclaporte: About dropping tables ... If this is automated, it should take into account customizations. We use InnoDB and have added foreignkeys several places. The consequence is that the table must be dropped in the "opposite" order as they were added. Otherwise the drop table will fail. An automation should not require the drop, before the create table
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[13:30] jonnyb polomolomolom
[13:30] ricks99 polom :)
[13:31] jonnyb just fixing a (nother) bug in registration/validation and want to change the message displayed if a user waiting for admin validation tries to log in
[13:31] jonnyb hi ricks99 - thanks for the 10th birthday mails, shame no party! :(
[13:32] jonnyb anyway, it currently says "Account disabled" and i'm going to change it to  'Account requires administrator approval' - sound ok?
[13:32] jonnyb or should i do that in the en to en translation do you think?
[13:33] ricks99 sounds good to me
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[13:35] jonnyb just thinking translators will be annoyed if i do this in 9.x now (bit naughty, after the beta)
[13:35] ricks99 think we need to do all/more in just en-to-en
[13:35] ricks99 makes it *much* easier for english-only folks (like me) to make quick tweaks
[13:36] * ricks99 wishes that *all* text strings were externalized
[13:37] jonnyb think i'll put it in trunk, maybe backport one day (after 9.2 release)
[13:38] ricks99 +1
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[13:55] amette polom
[13:55] jonnyb hi amette
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[13:56] amette heya jonnyb :)
[13:56] amette so beta is out, right? quite a bad place to make changes to the installer, isn't it?
[13:56] amette I'd change the default error_reporting level, that's not so bad - I might do that.
[13:56] jonnyb yes, beta happened last night - bug fixes only now until after 9.2 release please
[13:57] amette But I don't know, if I want to go ahead and make the installer be verbose.
[13:57] amette ok, thought so
[13:57] jonnyb and anyway, from now on no more merges back to trunk - so commit to trunk first then backport
[13:57] amette ah, ok, good to know, thanks
[13:57] jonnyb suppose i should update a wiki page somewhere... :)
[13:57] amette some wiki page is always waiting for an update :)
[13:58] Jyhem_laptop polom
[13:59] amette moloq
[13:59] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: let me look at what message was displayed if a user waiting for admin validation tries to log in before refactoring
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[14:04] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: yup, it was already "Account disabled" before :-(
[14:04] Jyhem_laptop 'Account requires administrator approval'  sounds so much better :)
[14:10] jonnyb hi Jyhem_laptop - think i've fixed most of the issues you found in registration/validation - can you check sometime please?
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[14:17] Jyhem_laptop sorry, freeze :-(
[14:17] Jyhem_laptop checking, jonnyb
[14:18] jonnyb thanks
[14:20] jonnyb have to pop out - bbl
[14:21] Jyhem_laptop svn up. I notice everything changed in lang/
[14:21] Jyhem_laptop bbl
[14:45] * ricks99 just downloaded tiki9.2b1... GREAT JOB ALL!!!!
[14:47] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb rocks: it all works fine like it used to :-)
[14:48] ricks99 +100
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[14:56] jonnyb re
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[14:59] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb rocks: it all works fine like it used to :-)
[14:59] Jyhem_laptop thanks
[15:00] jonnyb thanks Jyhem_laptop - hopefully even better than i used to because various things didn't work - registration without a valid tracker item, invalidate email etc etc
[15:07] Jyhem_laptop of course, jonnyb, I meant what worked before seems to work again, esp the user-visible feedbacks. I know you improved a lot underneath, esp security.
[15:07] jonnyb :)
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[17:43] jonnyb sorry about those 4 commits - ended up focussing more on backporting etc and not enough testing (hope it's ok now ;) )
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[18:05] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4305 - - Duration to remember log in  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4305
[18:08] Jyhem_laptop Hmm, do we have ways of mass-approving plugins ?
[18:09] Jyhem_laptop or auto-approving plugins which are created with data channels ?
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[18:21] marclaporte Jyhem: tiki-plugins.php
[18:21] Tiki|bot0 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4306 - - Meta: preview button for this "Bugs & Wish list"  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4306
[18:30] refizul hello :-) new day, new problems...
[18:32] refizul marclaporte: edit at info.t.o is possible, but something is odd. The preview button doesn't show me a preview, but a completely empty editor field. I canceled the edit before breaking things.
[18:35] Jyhem_laptop thanks marclaporte
[18:36] ricks99 refizul: did u click the preview icon? working for me on info.t.o
[18:38] refizul ricks99: yes, 1st edit, 2nd preview (below edit window, left button) -> empty edit window (via https)
[18:38] ricks99 i'm in right now, editing. so issues i can see
[18:39] ricks99 do u have the preview area enabled (the magnifying icon at top of edit/preview area)?
[18:43] refizul I enabled it, preview, it disappears and leaves me with an empty edit window.
[18:44] refizul ah - I see a possible cause
[18:44] refizul the preview button below the edit window has got a popup
[18:45] refizul the preview button above the edit and below the preview section seems to work
[18:46] refizul but the popup ist just an information what's going on...
[18:50] refizul I checked this for another page - there it works almost fine.
[18:50] refizul The problem occurs here: https://info.tiki.org/Berater
[18:53] ricks99 something specifc to that page?
[18:54] refizul I don't know. I wanted to correct several typos.
[18:54] ricks99 hm.. when i edit that page, the preview is closed by default. i had to manually open it
[18:55] refizul And the edit box? Does the text stay inside?
[18:55] ricks99 once i open it, preview works fine
[18:55] ricks99 y, just made a test edit
[18:55] refizul the upper preview button or the lower one?
[18:55] ricks99 previewed and then saved. no issues
[18:55] refizul the problem is the lower one.
[18:55] ricks99 um.. don't remember which button... let me try again
[18:57] ricks99 yup. second buttons dont work. because both buttons use the same id
[18:57] ricks99 elelment ids must be unique per page.
[18:57] refizul ah - can you fix that?
[18:57] ricks99 fist let me switch back to english :0
[18:59] ricks99 quick fix, simiply disabled the second row of action buttons
[19:00] ricks99 need to test in 6.x proposals
[19:00] refizul eh - ugly ;-)
[19:00] ricks99 ugly, but very low risk.
[19:00] refizul found another need-to-fix on your userpage
[19:01] refizul the line: If you're new to Tiki, I encourage you to check out my online book -- the link after this is messed up
[19:01] * ricks99 forgot he *had* a Tiki userpage
[19:13] refizul something is wrong with irc.t.o and https
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[20:17] marclaporte polom
[20:17] jonnyb hi marclaporte
[20:23] Tiki|bot0 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4307 - - Drag & drop images in the editor  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4307
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[20:32] jonnyb taking a break - might be done for the day... (if so, bibi!)
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[21:11] refizul Webmail is considered to be experimental (in tiki-admin.php?page=features)!?
[21:33] marclaporte I would say so
[21:33] marclaporte But I haven't tried in a while
[21:34] marclaporte Did you test it?
[21:34] marclaporte arildb: did you try http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast
[21:34] arildb no I haven't
[21:34] arildb I did look at it though
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[21:38] marclaporte arildb: IMO, this addresses https://dev.tiki.org/item4307
[21:38] marclaporte I am not sure if it works in WYSIWYG though, but it works beautifully in wiki syntax
[21:39] arildb screencasts addresses drag & drop? I don't see the connection
[21:41] marclaporte Read this: http://dev.tiki.org/Copy-Pasting+an+image
[21:41] marclaporte http://dev.tiki.org/ScreenCapture
[21:43] arildb ok, now I see. I will try it out
[21:43] arildb thanks
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[21:52] marclaporte1 arildb: make sure you have java installed as it doesn't prompt you otherwise
[21:52] marclaporte1 lemme know if WYSIWYG works
[21:54] arildb I have Java
[21:55] arildb marclaporte1: I am unable to find how to start jcapture...and the video on http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast says "Media not found"
[21:55] arildb How do I start jcapture?
[21:55] refizul marclaporte1: I didn't test webmail yet. I need a complete testing environment with SMTP/POP/IMAP first.
[21:57] marclaporte1 refizul: when you do, you tell me if it's experimental or not, and we'll change category accordingly
[21:57] marclaporte1 arildb: http://profiles.tiki.org/Screencast
[21:57] marclaporte1 arildb:  you will then see it in the edit toolbar and admin toolbar
[21:57] arildb ok
[21:58] marclaporte1 arildb:  here is the kicker: you can draw on images after you upload!!
[22:01] marclaporte1 And you can do short video with audio too. This will be a revolution for documentation and bug reports
[22:03] Tiki|bot0 New Commit:  marclaporte added kwem to the Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware project - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki
[22:04] marclaporte1 kwem : committer #515 :-)
[22:10] arildb marclaporte1: Got the screen capture icon added to the toolbar. Works fine in wiki editor mode, but jcapture fails to start in the CkEditor.
[22:10] arildb tried in FF
[22:12] arildb same problem in Chrome. jcapture doesn't seem to work in WYSIWYG editor mode
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[22:14] arildb no javascript nor PHP errors reported when I click "screen capture" in WYSIWYG
[22:15] marclaporte1 Jonny worked on this integration, and I am sure he would be pleased if you solved this :-)
[22:16] arildb marclaporte1: You are right. This does ease the integration of images, but it's not regular drag and drop (as the users expect)
[22:16] arildb I am sure he would :-)
[22:16] marclaporte1 once it's in WYSIWYG, it would be draw & drop
[22:16] marclaporte1 and with drawings!!!
[22:17] arildb I don't have time to look at it now, but I will try to look at it after I consult with jonnyb
[22:17] arildb I still consider "Drag and drop of images in the editor" an open wish
[22:21] marclaporte1 ok
[22:21] marclaporte1 Can you show me an example of a FOSS project which has this?
[22:22] arildb I am not sure if it exists. I don't know of any.
[22:25] marclaporte1 When I did my research, I ran into tech limitations of browsers
[22:26] marclaporte1 none of the WYSIWYG editors had this, and you would think that this would be their thing
[22:26] arildb yes
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[22:28] refizul about the experimental: we should give a hint somewhere to activate the checkboxes Basic + Advanced + Experimental in the Admin Home section. It's a bit of surprising that some common mentioned tools are missing in the Advanced section. I walked already two times into this trap.
[22:31] marclaporte1 refizul: I agree
[22:34] marclaporte1 refizul:  you can change them here: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#tags_array_
[22:35] marclaporte1 refizul:  I think it should be "There are some matches in the preferences tagged as experimental. Do you want to see them as well?"  (or something like this)
[22:36] marclaporte1 (When searching)
[22:37] marclaporte1 arildb:  doesn't work in all browsers, but here are some leads: http://www.wikimatrix.org/forum/p3173-2010-03-20
[22:39] arildb ok
[22:42] marclaporte1 refizul:  we need to agree/define what those 4 things mean, and then deploy to all the prefs
[22:45] refizul what does this mean? : Search engine results respect the pref filter.
[22:45] arildb hm-m jcapture doesn't work at all using IE9. That means I am unable to properly debug....not nice
[22:45] refizul Do I get results only from where I set my prefs to?
[22:46] refizul I suppose this is not the case and wouldn't be useful. So what does it mean?
[22:50] refizul hm - this does not refer to the intern search but external engines?
[22:51] marclaporte1 refizul:  I meant for internal search  on tiki-admin.php
[22:51] marclaporte1 refizul: Here a current tags: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#Tags:_what_they_mean
[23:03] refizul How long did it take until you went through all this stuff? Each time I understand something, something else comes along and confuses me again :-)
[23:04] marclaporte1 refizul: I will am confused, after 10 years now
[23:04] marclaporte1 refizul: I still am confused, after 10 years now
[23:07] marclaporte1 But if I reflect on the early years, I would read all the documentation at each release
[23:08] marclaporte1 Within a year, it was like 350 pages already
[23:11] Jyhem_laptop and he would also print it and carry it around :-)
[23:12] refizul I'm at Creating+New+Preferences - and there is a typo - I want to correct it - and the find option in the edit box doesn't show it.
[23:14] refizul ok, done, but can you check whether the find option really works?
[23:15] refizul edit http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences and use the find option for: notice
[23:16] refizul and another hint: I noticed at some pages that the syntax "foo" doesn't produce italic text
[23:24] fabricius refizul: should it?
[23:24] refizul hm - was a missunderstanding, the '' at syntax page looked like "
[23:24] fabricius eh?
[23:25] refizul the wiki syntax doku for italic text
[23:25] fabricius ah ... you r multitasking
[23:25] fabricius you know the difference between " and '' ?
[23:25] fabricius hehe
[23:26] fabricius double quotes and two single quotes
[23:27] fabricius italic needs two single quotes ... you should not mix up with doublequote, whilst it really looks pretty much the same
[23:28] refizul I didn't mix that up - it's just wrong in the documentation. That's why I didn't get it.
[23:28] refizul I'll fix it.
[23:29] refizul no, it's not wrong - but it looks the same as "
[23:29] fabricius ah ... hmm I learned that from the docs the other days, but if it is not mentioned right or it is missunderstandable, yes make it bette
[23:29] fabricius there must be a written hint or so to make it clear
[23:30] fabricius I am fighting with jcapture right now
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[23:35] refizul I repeated the syntax in monospace - should be clear now: https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax+Text
[23:36] fabricius yeah that's nice
[23:37] fabricius further down it is mentioned in a short sentence aswell
[23:46] refizul back to the other problem: find inside edit box
[23:47] refizul it seems as if the search string is found but the edit box doesn't switch its focus
[23:48] refizul this is somewhat unexpected. If one moves the curser, the focus changes to the right place, but without doing so it seems as if nothing happened.
[23:58] refizul this is a problem not only at tiki.org but in Tiki - the find function doesn't work in my installation