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| jonnyb | changi: been trying debugging search/shell.php but not getting anywhere - too tired i think
+1 hour for you though | [00:01] |
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| changi | jonnyb: still there ? | [00:20] |
| jonnyb | just about | [00:20] |
| changi | jonnyb: found it, dddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddd parser
:) | [00:20] |
| jonnyb | :D | [00:20] |
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| changi | my dirty fix : + if (preg_match('/{REDIRECT/', $this->value))
+ return ""; Alias is broken in parser so lucene cannot index it i think i read something about that on the mailing list last week jonnyb: i wish sometime to find a bug which is not related to the parser :) | [00:24] |
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| jonnyb | most alias tests seem ok for me in 10.x - examples? | [00:27] |
| changi | jonnyb: when i exlude page which containt {REDIRECT plugin it's working | [00:27] |
| jonnyb | actually via email pls - needs to sleep now
sounds like {redirect} needs seem sort of "if not indexing" check | [00:27] |
| changi | jonnyb: need to sleep too | [00:29] |
| jonnyb | more tomorrow then, thanks for your efforts :)
nn | [00:30] |
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| refizul | database down? dev/doc | [01:20] |
| changi | refizul: yes refresh in progress
refizul: back online | [01:21] |
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| Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: wkhtmltopdf on windows - tiki 9.2 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45611 | [01:57] |
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quick suggestion for the API Doc generation ... would it be worth adding phpDocumentor2 to the third_party tools, then we could use a custom "phpdoc.xml" config file to create the API Docs under <base>/docs/api ... then admins could create the docs (locally) if they want them | [08:56] |
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| Bsfez | polom | [10:12] |
| luciash | hi Bsfez
do u get dev list messages twice too ? | [10:13] |
| Bsfez | Hello Luciash, tks for your feedback, yes pdf prob was server config
i don;t get double messages | [10:13] |
| luciash | ok, must be only me | [10:14] |
| Bsfez | i guess some other would have talked about it. | [10:15] |
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| Tiki|bot | Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4346 - - Uploading files into a file gallery fails from within a tracker with files larger than approx. 600 kByte - http://dev.tiki.org/item4346 | [10:42] |
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| jonnyb | hey xavi - long time no polom! :) | [12:16] |
| xavi | hey jonnyb, yes :-) | [12:16] |
| jonnyb | rodrigoprimo too - hi all | [12:16] |
| rodrigoprimo | hi jonnyb and xavi! | [12:17] |
| xavi | in my case, some people using Tiki for a few years, are getting desperate because of the onlie traffic (100Gb) apparently due to ovearload in tiki forums....
hi rodrigoprimo :-) and they are considering to migrate away from Tiki :-/ .... they are using 6.4 on shared hosting... and looking for lightweight forums... | [12:17] |
| jonnyb | xavi: this is what the guy was asking about yesterday | [12:19] |
| xavi | I couldn't look at the data myself... (I don't even know if we have the data to see the bandwitdh partitioned in some way to identify the source of overconsumption....) | [12:19] |
| jonnyb | are the forums full of huge images or video or something? | [12:19] |
| xavi | yes... that's the guy
nope simple text forums | [12:19] |
| jonnyb | and tried tweaking robots.txt?
like tell them not to index the forums at all for a start? | [12:20] |
| xavi | but mnay many visitors from all around Spain (and overseas) every now and then when a new call for funding is open (for fellowsips in research, new contract oportunities in public research agencies, etc) | [12:20] |
| jonnyb | and what do the tiki logs show, are there really that many people using the site? seem unlikely | [12:20] |
| xavi | mmm, I can check that....
(I hope I will recover somehow a cpanel acces to the site, I used to have one... years ago) | [12:21] |
| jonnyb | i wonder what the stats for tiki.org forums are
maybe ask Oliver what he gets there? | [12:21] |
| xavi | yes, so do I (I wish we hace some piwik access to our sites)
s/hace/had | [12:21] |
| jonnyb | yes, without more data you can't really tell if moving to another platform would make any difference, if there really are that many people reading the forums then need to get more beefy hosting | [12:22] |
| xavi | jonnyb, do you know any easy way to see the load of a wiki page, where does it come from? | [12:23] |
| jonnyb | how do you mean "load"? - the total size? | [12:23] |
| xavi | some sort of easy partitioning of the page load, how much size from images, how much from js, from html,e tc | [12:23] |
| jonnyb | probably in slow or something? | [12:23] |
| xavi | in "slow"?
xavi knows almost nothing on this aspect is this a website? | [12:23] |
| jonnyb | slow == slow (new mac os autocorrect - grrrr!) | [12:24] |
| xavi | I recall reading something about Yslow | [12:24] |
| jonnyb | that's what i was trying to type! | [12:24] |
| xavi | :-D
ah, ok :-) | [12:24] |
| jonnyb | yslow
or the network panel in webkit | [12:24] |
| xavi | ok, checking (than ks) | [12:24] |
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| jonnyb, see pm | [12:48] | |
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| xavi | bbl | [12:53] |
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| polom y'all | [13:43] | |
| jonnyb | hi ricks99 | [13:48] |
| ricks99 | hiya jonnb | [13:49] |
| jonnyb | off out for fun in the mud and rain, bbl :) | [13:53] |
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| Bsfez | hi ricks99,
polom all | [14:08] |
| luciash | polom | [14:10] |
| Bsfez | Luciash solved your problem with the list ? | [14:11] |
| ricks99 | polom Bsfez | [14:11] |
| Bsfez | tks for the tip about carousel.
But still i though we have a new way to display slideshow on tiki10 | [14:13] |
| ricks99 | ricks99 still using tiki9lts for most sites | [14:17] |
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| luciash | Bsfez: list ? | [14:19] |
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polom all Anyone know how to generate a pem file if I already have an ssl cert? :) | [14:25] |
| ricks99 | polom RobertPlummer
can't help with perm file :( | [14:27] |
| RobertPlummer | "pem", it is a certificate file.
I think it is "cat server.crt server.key > server.pem" | [14:28] |
| luciash | i did not use pem file
just crt on ubuntu there are some scripts and i just used that for localhost SSL testing | [14:31] |
| gour | RobertPlummer: that's correect, iirc | [14:38] |
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| gour | concat key & cert files into *.pem | [14:39] |
| Bsfez | luciash: you were getting twice email from dev list
ricks99: about carousel, i have already a div surrounding it with "width: singleimagewidthvalue" and "overflow:hidden". You advised me to do this a year ago ! :) | [14:41] |
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| ricks99 | hm... should work then | [14:44] |
| Bsfez | RobertPlummer: i always use to do such thing https://www.rapidssl.com their "How to section" was ok for me
ricks99: yes, but no :D it seams that all the images are displayed for a few seconds (the time it takes to load all the images) | [14:45] |
| gour | ricks99: thank you for reply on your blog
gour is praying that ricks99 finishes lts editions of the books soon | [14:46] |
| ricks99 | is too! ^^^
ricks99 is too! ^^^ | [14:47] |
| Jyhem_laptop | polom | [14:48] |
| gour | gour hops not only praying :-)
*hopes | [14:48] |
| ricks99 | real life sometimes gets in the way :) | [14:48] |
| Jyhem_laptop | Jyhem_laptop sends good vibes to Ricks | [14:49] |
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| RobertPlummer | thanks all for your pointers, we are close! | [14:51] |
| Bsfez | :) | [14:55] |
| luciash | Bsfez: ah, i did not try to solve it... i just leave it as it is | [14:55] |
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| luciash | jonnyb: wb, that yslow mac issue was funny thing :)
(to read) | [15:17] |
| jonnyb | hi luciash - autocorrect is too keen on this os
but turning it off is also annoying for my many real typos! :) | [15:17] |
| luciash | can it learn new things ? | [15:18] |
| jonnyb | i think so, as you add stuff to the dictionary it should use them let me try with yslow :) | [15:20] |
| luciash | cool :) | [15:22] |
| Bsfez | i see we had the same fun installing ML :D | [15:29] |
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| RobertPlummer | I'm back to wysiwyg!
polom jonnyb, you in to tiki today? | [16:03] |
| jonnyb | hi RobertPlummer - yes, bits & pieces | [16:04] |
| RobertPlummer | Wondering, had an issue at the beginning of ckeditor where it wants to insert an object.
jonnyb: If there isn't one there already, it puts a "<br />" in my configuration, in the old one it puts a "<p></p>" | [16:05] |
| jonnyb | do you have wiki_paragraph pref on? | [16:06] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: I've found that I can put something that isn't see-able (at least in firefox) <span>­</span>
jonnyb: At this time that pref isn't handled in the jison parser | [16:06] |
| jonnyb | tiki is unusable without it on imho | [16:07] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: explain | [16:07] |
| jonnyb | it's a requirement for wysiwyg | [16:07] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: Not the new one | [16:07] |
| jonnyb | doing page layout using <br> is nonsense, not semantic and totally unpredictable | [16:08] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: The reason we don't "need" it is that line breaks are handled using special <br /> tags
jonnyb: It is valid html5, no? | [16:08] |
| jonnyb | imho paragraphs should be wrapped in <p> tags | [16:08] |
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| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: I've found a way to handle line breaks which was the reason we brought in <p>, correct
? jonnyb: This is new parser only, I don't see a feasible way of doing it in the old parser. jonnyb: Anyhow, they are temporary anyway, they are just a translation component that gets converted back to "n" after it is handled at the server. jonnyb: But only the special line breaks go back to "n" jonnyb: deliberate "<br />" are handled separately, as well as "%%%" (forced line breaks) | [16:09] |
| jonnyb | all sounds very different, sorry (again) can't get into it now | [16:12] |
| RobertPlummer | Anyway, the question I had for you was do you see problem with putting a noise element at the beginning that is removed on post-back? | [16:12] |
| jonnyb | i just find that without wiki_paragraph you can't do proper page layout (for instance and {DIV} plugin you use ends up with a <br> after it, which is usually wrong | [16:13] |
| Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Code Highlighting - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45614 | [16:13] |
| jonnyb | you mean a creditor fake object? | [16:14] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: Couldn't we handle that scenario?
jonnyb: Sort of, I saw that, ensure how it works as of yet. | [16:14] |
| jonnyb | i don't understand the question | [16:14] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: ckeditor puts an element at the begging that I don't want there because it won't parse back exactly, which not acceptable, I need a way of handling that item.
jonnyb: Is putting an unseen item at the beginning an acceptable fix? | [16:16] |
| jonnyb | anyway, lphuberdeau: a quick question for you. Why is tiki-jsplugin.php set to not cache? it's big and loads on every anonymous pave view and looks partially responsible for xavi's bandwidth disaster. Seems it was your commit here: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/tiki-jsplugin.php?r1=30664&r2=30663&pathrev=30664 long long ago...
RobertPlummer: what element? (it's probably there for a reason) | [16:17] |
| xavi | issues with bandwidth from forums open to (many) anons: related to this: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-11-26,Mon&sel=372#l368 (precarios.org - they funded some optimization done in tiki5 or similar for trackers and somewhere else, from lph, etc.)
thks jonnyb for looking at it | [16:21] |
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| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03fmg-sf r44091 10branches/10.x/setup.sh
tikiwiki [ENH] default to exit after executing a command | [16:28] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: It is kinda hard to explain. ckeditor modifies the document when it initially loads, inserting something that shouldn't be there. I seem to have it handled "cleverly", which is something I don't like, but I think ckeditor is very very "clever". | [16:30] |
| ricks99 | ricks99 wondering why his jquery qtip isn't working... :( | [16:31] |
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| gour | i played a bit with 10.0beta, but now i'll re-install 9.2...when do you expect 10.0 release? | [17:02] |
| arildb | gour: what kind of problems did you experience? | [17:03] |
| jonnyb | hi gour - any day now hopefully | [17:03] |
| gour | any day?
arildb: well, i did import my small WP blog and tried to put it as homepage, but somehow visiting homepage did not work...it always tried to access some page containing link to blog, something like blogid=1 or so...i had seourls enabled now will try with 9.2 | [17:05] |
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| gour | what is your stanza in regard to myisam vs innodb?
as far as tiki is concerned... | [17:07] |
| arildb | myisam is the Tiki default. InnoDB was added in Tiki 8 | [17:08] |
| gour | does the performance suffer with the latter? | [17:09] |
| arildb | InnoDB has the benefits of being "crash proof" and it does not lock the entire table to change data in a table | [17:09] |
| gour | gour hopes to be able to use mariadb on production soon... | [17:09] |
| arildb | I run almost all of the installations on InnoDB | [17:12] |
| gour | on my localhost i did install mariadb-5.5.x, but it's not officially in the debian, so production will have to wait... | [17:13] |
| arildb | InnoDB supports foreign key and referencial integrety. Tiki does not use this feature | [17:13] |
| gour | in the meantime, doing our 1st baby tiki steps :-)
is it possible in tiki to use one language for the back-end and another for the front-end? this is common feature, but not every CMS does support it | [17:13] |
| ricks99 | backend? you mean for admin user? | [17:15] |
| luciash | language is user preference so if admin logs in with language set to english, the "backend" is english | [17:15] |
| gour | yes | [17:15] |
| ricks99 | y. each user can have their own lang pref | [17:15] |
| gour | what about front-end visible for the anon. visitors? | [17:15] |
| ricks99 | set site default | [17:16] |
| luciash | it will be what u set as default language | [17:16] |
| ricks99 | also, there's an option to auto-select language based on user browser | [17:16] |
| gour | ahh, ok...then it seems it's easy :-) | [17:16] |
| luciash | or by user browser lang preference if u enable the feature | [17:16] |
| ricks99 | hi luciash | [17:16] |
| luciash | hi ricks99 :) | [17:16] |
| gour | ricks99: well, i usually do all my work in english (as admin) but e.g. have front-end stuff in native (croatian) lang | [17:17] |
| ricks99 | y. then set lang pref for Admin user | [17:17] |
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| ricks99 | ricks99 admins several non-english sites... even though he only speaks english | [17:18] |
| gour | good, good
luciash: if, due to wanting support for mobile sites and having responsive theme, is it difficult to use some other css framework or how does *lite copes with responsiveness? | [17:19] |
| luciash | gour: it does not support responsive CSS yet but we have jQuery mobile layout preference in Tiki which copes with that somehow | [17:24] |
| jonnyb | gour - if you use the tiki mobile feature it doesn't use *lite any more (as far as i remember) - it uses jquery.mobile | [17:25] |
| luciash | gour: it is on my todo list to try some techniques for responsive CSS layout which are popular these days | [17:25] |
| gour | jonnyb: ahh, good to know, thanks
luciash: ;) seeing memory consumption for tiki-install (even with apache) is much more pleasurable than the same with typo3 jonnyb: i sent email to marc with some of the points discussed yesterday about fossil if he considers it worth to be discussed | [17:29] |
| jonnyb | b
i saw some additions to a page on dev.t.o somewhere | [17:41] |
| gour | interesting | [17:45] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44092 10branches/10.x/tiki-setup.php
tikiwiki [FIX] timepicker addon depends on jquery_ui so move include inside that block (was breaking mobile) | [17:46] |
| gour | jonnyb: maybe this one http://dev.tiki.org/Distributed+revision+control ? | [17:51] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44093 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/WikiCKEditor/Handler.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Create a helper element that is later filtered away so that ckeditor doesn't insert an extra '<br />' at the beginning of what is being edited | [17:52] |
| tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44094 10trunk/lib/ckeditor_tiki/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [NEW] Creation of jisonformat plugin tikiwiki [ENH] fork formatted types, so jison can manage them as wiki syntax tikiwiki [ENH] Define styles and their types so they are converted back to wiki syntax tikiwiki [ENH] Move configs into jisonline so we can better know what is going on there | [17:58] | |
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| gour | gour is waving to marclaporte
somewhere in the docs and/or in ricks99|away books, i read that the name of 'admin' account cannot be renamed, but i'm not sure if i noticed that 10.0 is changing it? | [18:05] |
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| ricks99|away | gour: can't change admin username in 10 afaik
simply create a new user with any name, and add to admins group | [18:14] |
| gour | ricks99|away: that's ok...i just consider knowing admin name is a bit of security risk, isn't it? | [18:17] |
| ricks99|away | without password, not much use | [18:18] |
| Jyhem_laptop | separator candidates so far: :+: -:- :-: +:+ | [18:19] |
| ricks99|away | ricks99|away sorry that he opened that can of worms ^^^ | [18:20] |
| Jyhem_laptop | Jyhem_laptop thought he could keep concentrating on Tiki9, but another big data conversion was too frightening to ignore. | [18:22] |
| ricks99 | my only issue was/is that forcing :: --> ::: without giving users an automated way to make the transitions is bad idea
jquery question: the jq tooltip seems to require that the title/popup text be included in a link's "title" attribute or external file. any way to use a named div elsewhere on the page instead? | [18:23] |
| arildb | rick99: It's not "forced". A highlighted message comes up requesting the user to activate the option, when namespaces is activated | [18:26] |
| Jyhem_laptop | well, I'm glad we had the discussion before rather than after. | [18:27] |
| ricks99 | arildb: yes, but there no notification that it will break everything
when we eliminated img gallery, we created a way to let users convert to file gallery when we moved icons from ../pic/.. to ../img/.. again, we created a way to automate this | [18:27] |
| Jyhem_laptop | did we eliminate img gallery? | [18:28] |
| ricks99 | deprecated
sorry | [18:28] |
| Jyhem_laptop | :) | [18:28] |
| ricks99 | just wanted somethign similar for :: -> ::: | [18:28] |
| Jyhem_laptop | Jyhem_laptop noticed deprecated features are the most stable ones | [18:28] |
| ricks99 | lol | [18:29] |
| Jyhem_laptop | The switch from ../pic/.. to ../img/ worked fine, but not overnight. | [18:29] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44095 10trunk/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php
tikiwiki [FIX] phpunit was throwing an error for the included ";" at end | [18:30] |
| ricks99 | y. i apologize for picking up on the ::: issue so late in the game. I was unaware of it until i started seeing broken pages on t.o sites | [18:30] |
| arildb | I think we should add the
'Center text using ::: instead of ::' option to the namespace setting area. This makes it easier to switch to :: | [18:32] |
| ricks99 | its already a dependcy right?
need a way to let admins know that it will break existing usages | [18:33] |
| arildb | yes, but the setting itself is not in the namespace settings-area | [18:34] |
| ricks99 | no. but enabling namespace option should require ::: as dependcy | [18:34] |
| arildb | When html sytax is used there is no breakeage. Nor for fresh installations
Is there a need for this dependency if the separator is e.g: :+: ? | [18:34] |
| ricks99 | breakage in terms of upgrades | [18:35] |
| arildb | I mean the default separator | [18:35] |
| ricks99 | no
afaik | [18:35] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44096 10branches/10.x/lib/parser/parserlib.php
tikiwiki [FIX] parser: Move the point where parser options get saved and reset for plugin execution to just before the actual plugin gets run. $this->option gets used in the meantime for $outputFormat calculation etc. | [18:36] |
| Jyhem_laptop | no, that's the advantage of these funny-looking separators :+: -:- :-: +:+
I suggest someone sets up a convene plugin to choose one Jyhem_laptop needs to leave now | [18:41] |
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| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44097 10trunk/lib/test/core/JisonParser/HtmlToWikiTest.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Added the real world wysiwyg test in tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44098 10trunk/lib/ 10parser/parserlib.php 10core/JisonParser/WikiCKEditor/Handler.php tikiwiki [FIX] Move BOF (beginning of file) character out of the Jison parser and into the parser instantiator tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44099 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/Wiki/Handler.php tikiwiki [FIX] externals don't get split at ':' | [19:00] |
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| gour | i installed 9.2 and applied Personal-blog profile. on my personal blog site, blog is at the homepage and posts are named as http://tld/year/month/date/name-of-post for e.g. 'Name of Post' post (using classical WP permalinks). otoh, non-profit org use concrete5 and the homepage only has 'newest' teasing part of the post, while the posts are going to http://tld/blog/name-of-the-post for the post entitled
'Name of The Post'. i did enable sefurl in tiki, but the posts are now looking as http://atmarama.sites.djangohosting.ch/blogpost5-Introducing-Tiki-Profiles for 'Introducing Tiki Profiles' post. my question is from where is this 'blogpost5' in the post title and how to get rid of it and have same permalinks as in concrete5 (or WP) without any further redirect trickery? | [19:08] |
| ricks99 | belive it is required/default
without the "blogpost5" prefix, url looks like a wiki page afaik, it is a redirect to tiki-blog... | [19:14] |
| gour | hmm...this sucks
it means we'd lose our old urls :-/ | [19:23] |
| ricks99 | just use redirects | [19:26] |
| gour | i set redirection for all my urls to add 'www', but forgot my testing domain does not resolve with it...should i dig in the db with phpmyadmin? | [19:26] |
| ricks99 | i meant in your htaccess. just add redirects for old url -> new | [19:28] |
| gour | wouldn't i use old site's rankings that way? | [19:29] |
| ricks99 | ? | [19:30] |
| gour | besides that, i hope to use nginx instead of apache... | [19:30] |
| ricks99 | ok | [19:30] |
| gour | that 'add www prefix' is stored in db? | [19:31] |
| ricks99 | y. all prefs are in db
use the admin panel -- easier | [19:32] |
| gour | can't access site & admin panel :-) | [19:33] |
| ricks99 | ah | [19:33] |
| gour | ok, so, dig in db...have to go afk. bbs | [19:33] |
| ricks99 | all prefs in tiki_prefs table | [19:34] |
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| marclaporte | I want to use PluginList like I used to used Pretty Trackers: any tips for me? | [19:49] |
| arildb | Running the latest Tiki 10 from SVN, I get the following PHP notice ...
PHP (5.4.8) NOTICE (E_STRICT): File: D:OpenSourceTikiWikiwwwtiki10libcoreWikiPluginHtmlBase.php Line: 9 Type: Declaration of WikiPlugin_HtmlBase::exec() should be compatible with WikiPlugin_ConditionBase::exec($data, $params, $index, $parser) | [19:51] |
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| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03arildb r44100 10branches/10.x/ 10(5 files in 3 dirs)
tikiwiki [bp/r44002][FIX] Fix the all get_faq references. They were not updated when the faq functions were moved out of TikiLib. tikiwiki Ref: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=4343#content2 | [20:14] |
| jonnyb | hi changi|away (when you get back) - just tested 20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki and seems to work, thanks!
checking into the redirect thing now... arildb: yes, i've been seeing that notice - one of RobertPlummer's i believe? | [20:19] |
| RobertPlummer | On it!
thanks guys for bringing that to my attention. | [20:20] |
| jonnyb | i was ignoring it until after 10.0 (and a few of mine ;) ) | [20:23] |
| RobertPlummer | odne
done | [20:32] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44101 10branches/10.x/lib/core/ 10WikiPlugin/Negotiator/Wiki.php 10WikiPlugin/HtmlBase.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Make button compatible with condition base | [20:34] |
| RobertPlummer | there we go | [20:34] |
| jonnyb | :) | [20:34] |
| marclaporte | gour: about old vs new URLs: this would be a great new Tiki feature | [20:36] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: This is crazee, ckeditor changes all sorts of things on load. Very confusing. | [20:44] |
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| jonnyb | meh, looks like the redirect problem on doc was my fault | [20:45] |
| Bsfez | polom | [20:46] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44102 10branches/10.x/lib/parser/parserlib.php
tikiwiki [FIX] parser: rollback r44060 (and 44096) as the plugin issue was fixed elsewhere (probably in r44061). tikiwiki Fixes redirect plugin breaking search indexing - thanks (and apologies) to changi. | [20:46] |
| jonnyb | just rolled back so should be ok now | [20:46] |
| RobertPlummer | polom Bsfez | [20:46] |
| jonnyb | hi Bsfez | [20:46] |
| Bsfez | how things are going ? | [20:46] |
| jonnyb | if changi|away becomes not away i guess we get some more upgrades :) | [20:46] |
| RobertPlummer | I'm getting much closer with wysiwyg. | [20:46] |
| Bsfez | great news ! | [20:46] |
| RobertPlummer | Bsfez: I have most of the toolbar items working now. | [20:47] |
| jonnyb | RobertPlummer: yes, creditor is quite a beast! | [20:47] |
| Bsfez | waow ! Tiki10 or trunk ? | [20:47] |
| RobertPlummer | Bsfez: But am running into some anomalies with ckeditor and it changing content on the fly.
trunk | [20:47] |
| jonnyb | ha ha, autocorrect strikes again - ckeditor i mean | [20:47] |
| Bsfez | RobertPlummer: long time i didn't see what trunk looks like :D | [20:48] |
| RobertPlummer | For example, just after a table and just before a div, it thinks I want and not <br /><br /> | [20:48] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: turn it off !
RobertPlummer: ok… well if we got a good wysiwyg in trunk (T11) we can really expect T12 with a correct plugin. sry, correct tool | [20:48] |
| RobertPlummer | Bsfez: plugin?
jonnyb: Any way to turn off autocorrect? | [20:49] |
| Bsfez | i meant a correct tool for end-user
yes you can turn it off (i have done so) | [20:50] |
| RobertPlummer | With ckeditor? Bsfez, how? | [20:50] |
| Bsfez | confusion…. | [20:50] |
| jonnyb | is a mac thing | [20:51] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: you can turn off auto-correction on your mac | [20:51] |
| jonnyb | we deserve it :) | [20:51] |
| changi|away | polom | [20:51] |
| jonnyb | i did, but then missed it (when it was getting it right, my typing is rubbish!) | [20:51] |
| RobertPlummer | I have tons of tests that I'm really hammering the wiki -> html -> wiki and I have it working very well. But as soon as it hits ckeditor, it tries to "fix" what isn't broken. | [20:51] |
| jonnyb | hi changi | [20:51] |
| RobertPlummer | and it breaks it | [20:51] |
| jonnyb | redirect issue sorted | [20:51] |
| RobertPlummer | polom changi | [20:51] |
| Bsfez | hi changi
I guess i'll be more available to test wysiwyg after 10final. I'll be glad to help | [20:52] |
| changi | jonnyb: i didn't find a pretty way of fixing the redirect issue, maybe RobertPlummer can help | [20:53] |
| Bsfez | RobertPlummer: i have a Tiki where i use infinitecarousel (was Tiki6). Don't we have a better (new) way to display a slideshow on a wiki page ? | [20:53] |
| jonnyb | sorry, fixed i think | [20:53] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03arildb r44103 10trunk/templates/admin/include_wiki.tpl
tikiwiki [ENH] Add the "Center text syntax" option to the namespace option settings. Makes it easier to use :: as a namespace separator | [20:54] |
| RobertPlummer | Bsfez: {SLIDER()}{SLIDER} | [20:54] |
| jonnyb | in r44102 just now
Tiki-KGB being a bit slow this evening | [20:54] |
| Tiki-KGB | jonnyb: My master told me to not respond. | [20:54] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: This auto-correct thing could be a deal breaker | [20:55] |
| Bsfez | tks RobertPlummer | [20:55] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: Might *have* to find an editor that doesn't do that. | [20:55] |
| jonnyb | what auto-correct thing? on Mac OS? | [20:55] |
| Bsfez | LOL | [20:55] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: CKEditor is changing my html without my permission on the fly at initial loadup. | [20:55] |
| changi | jonnyb: a bit slow, i receive the email at 20:53 and 1 minute later it display it in IRC :) | [20:56] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: So we've solved the issue of stabilizing the conversion process, and now our weakest link is ckeditor. | [20:56] |
| jonnyb | :) | [20:56] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
:) | [20:56] |
| jonnyb | RobertPlummer: what was that totally jquery one marclaporte found a while back? might be worth looking at less complicated alternatives... | [20:57] |
| RobertPlummer | Yea, there are 2 that are very promissing. | [20:57] |
| changi | jonnyb: nice, thx you | [20:57] |
| jonnyb | i see tinymce in quite a few things now
changi: sorry, was my bad in the first place (although it was to fix a bug reported by Bsfez, so i'll try and blame him! ;) ) | [20:57] |
| changi | jonnyb: no problem, it was good to take 3 hours to find the origin :)
changi testing on doc.to | [20:59] |
| jonnyb | add on a couple here today | [20:59] |
| changi | changi it works :)
Bsfez: should we switch dev now ? | [20:59] |
| jonnyb | jonnyb stands by | [21:00] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: feedback me do we have other issues ? | [21:01] |
| jonnyb | no other new ones i'm aware of
still the few "not going to fix" ones as on the dev page i think | [21:02] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: http://aloha-editor.org/demos.php | [21:02] |
| Bsfez | ok i though i missed something. :) | [21:02] |
| jonnyb | the search index rebuild was failing on doc yesterday, but is fixed in svn now | [21:03] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: so why we don't update dev ? | [21:03] |
| jonnyb | waiting for your official go-ahead (sir :) ) | [21:04] |
| Bsfez | don't we
Monseigneur !!! :D changi: we are good to update dev ! If it goes smooth i'll ask ohertel to update t.o | [21:04] |
| jonnyb | then i'll update http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+10x (don't want to do it mid-upgrade) | [21:05] |
| Bsfez | sure
i update 10x page | [21:05] |
| changi | RobertPlummer: it's nice
jonnyb: refresh take 9 minutes instead of 1 hour yesterday, really thx you | [21:06] |
| jonnyb | suspiciously quick, no? for such a big site i mean
wow, aloha is amazing - editing in 3d! | [21:08] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: Can I get a couple +1's to do a test implementation? | [21:10] |
| changi | RobertPlummer: +1000000
:) | [21:10] |
| gour | marclaporte: i'll post to the user seeking for some wisdom... | [21:10] |
| RobertPlummer | I see a weakness, with aloha, no source view. I imagine we could make one. | [21:11] |
| refizul | polom | [21:11] |
| changi | refizul: hi | [21:11] |
| Bsfez | hi refizul | [21:11] |
| Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03arildb r44104 10trunk/templates/admin/include_general.tpl
tikiwiki [ENH] Add the "Center text syntax" option to the namespace option settings, in admin | general too. | [21:12] |
| changi | Bsfez: regression about tweetid is fixed | [21:12] |
| RobertPlummer | jonnyb: the jWYSIWYG seems very immature and very buggy though, so I'm torn | [21:12] |
| changi | Bsfez: and fully backported
changi upgrading dev | [21:12] |
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| RobertPlummer | marclaporte: oops, didn't see you where here (polom) | [21:14] |
| changi | don't think he is physicaly here :) | [21:15] |
| Bsfez | great work changi ! | [21:15] |
| refizul | any nginx experts around? | [21:15] |
| jonnyb | jonnyb likes http://www.aloha-editor.org (even checked the license out, look ok for tiki) | [21:16] |
| changi | refizul: not an expert, but an advanced user | [21:17] |
| jonnyb | hi refizul - also interested but not even installed nginx yet | [21:17] |
| changi | i'm playing with nginx for 3 month as reverse proxy with 600 websites :) | [21:18] |
| jonnyb | how many tikis? ;) | [21:18] |
| refizul | I try to run Tiki native on nginx, bit get only "File not found." | [21:19] |
| changi | jonnyb: 40, but not for long, Strategy 2013 is to move them to Liferay
refizul: with php-fpm ? | [21:19] |
| gour | changi: is there some place on t.o where rewrite rules and workaround for sefurls are posted? | [21:21] |
| jonnyb | gour: you might try looking at the stuff for iis (web.config files) | [21:21] |
| gour | in which table is setting to add 'www' to url stored? afaics, it's not in the preferences? | [21:21] |
| jonnyb | yes, it's a pref - in general i think | [21:22] |
| gour | jonnyb: iis? it reminds me on iie :-) | [21:22] |
| marclaporte | http://www.aloha-editor.org/license.php is GPL but they specify that we can ask for exception | [21:22] |
| jonnyb | hmm, in the code it says dual MIT & GPL license | [21:23] |
| refizul | changi: yes, with the -fpm | [21:23] |
| gour | jonnyb: there is, afaict, one nging-related problem mentioned here - http://www.stevestreeting.com/2012/05/09/apache-to-nginx-php-fpm-part-1/ | [21:23] |
| changi | Bsfez: dev is on 10.x | [21:23] |
| Bsfez | kk ! | [21:23] |
| gour | jonnyb: i do not have access to the site's admin, have to find it in the db | [21:23] |
| marclaporte | jonnyb: it's complicated: http://www.aloha-editor.org/license-faq.php | [21:24] |
| gour | solved...dns propagated, so my alias is working now and i can fix it within tiki | [21:25] |
| jonnyb | gour: i thought the default should be to do nothing, so maybe it's something else | [21:25] |
| gour | jonnyb: i usually redirect non-www to www, but my 'testing' domain didn't have www.domain alias | [21:25] |
| jonnyb | marclaporte: i see, so we'd need an exception | [21:25] |
| gour | set in dns | [21:25] |
| RobertPlummer | I'm not ruling out ckeditor just yet, I think it would take a great amount of work to get it working, and we don't even know if it will not modify on the fly our page data.
But after a search, it does look hopeless. marclaporte: Can you work your license magic with them and I will go ahead and run a few tests to see it if it feasible? | [21:34] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: you remember i talk about problem with the image used by "recommended on facebook" and article ? I found the problem. If article don't have own image but topic icon, the first icon found is sent | [21:36] |
| gour | huh...created new article which contains native character in the post title and when wanting to save it i get: Error Notice: invalid variable value: $_GET["articleId"] = 2-Novi-lanak ? | [21:37] |
| jonnyb | ah, nice hunting | [21:37] |
| gour | tiki has problem with utf-8? | [21:37] |
| jonnyb | gour: occasionally ;)
everyone does | [21:38] |
| gour | jonnyb: hmm, that's not good | [21:38] |
| Bsfez | the page : http://www.avtalyon.org.il/article426 will show the "printing" icon as i recommend it | [21:38] |
| jonnyb | but not recently afaik | [21:38] |
| gour | jonnyb: it's 9.2 | [21:38] |
| jonnyb | by the way, dev.t.o looking ok on 10.x | [21:38] |
| gour | i hoped that native support thingies are from the past :-) | [21:39] |
| Bsfez | i'll keep it somewhere for when we got time to deal with it | [21:39] |
| jonnyb | more of a constant battle...
thanks Bsfez - i have to go and eat now | [21:39] |
| Bsfez | jonnyb: bon appetit ! :) | [21:40] |
| jonnyb | may bbl
merci, and bravo changi | [21:40] |
| Bsfez | i have a doubt, tweetid bug has been resolved ? | [21:42] |
| changi | Bsfez: yes | [21:43] |
| Bsfez | ok i update http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+10x
oh jo nny just did it. Cool | [21:44] |
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| gour | another gotcha (with articles)...my article's url is http:/tld/article2-Novi-lanak but originally the article is named 'Novi članak' and I'd suppose that CMS would either create http://tld/article2-novi-clanak page alias and/or allow me to customize it according to my preferences. do i miss something here? | [21:59] |
| RobertPlummer | I've loaded up the aloha editor and the verdict..........
It doesn't edit some things, but it does edit others. | [22:04] |
| gour | it looks that 10.0 behaves better in this regard :-) | [22:12] |
| Bsfez | RobertPlummer: is there a doc for {SLIDER} ? I wonder if the plugin can pick images from a file gallery | [22:16] |
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| changi | see ya all | [22:24] |
| RobertPlummer | Bsfez: I don't think there is. It is supposed to be very very similar to the tabs plugin. | [22:25] |
| Bsfez | found a very nice trick ! I set several "{img class="carouselimages" randomGalleryId="60"}" for content. That way i have on each reload a selection of pictures from a specific file gallery.
^^ | [22:26] |
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| fabricius | Bsfez, may I post that on the doc page doc.tiki.org/PluginImg ? | [22:57] |
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| Bsfez | fabricius: well still experimenting it but so far look it does the work : http://avtalyon.org.il/HomePage
fabricius: need some tweak to position but nothing serious | [23:01] |
| refizul | harddisk too small to install the complete system :-( 4GB with 2GB root partition was a little optimistic | [23:06] |
| Bsfez | shit happens :) | [23:06] |
| fabricius | Bsfez: seems not to work | [23:08] |
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| Bsfez | ? | [23:08] |
| fabricius | Bsfez: top seems to be a slider plugin, which one time in FF worked and after that in FF and in Chrome does not work
I could change the 3 horizontal pics on reloading - once and only after clearing the caches | [23:08] |
| Bsfez | Mac FF working fine, checking others | [23:10] |
| fabricius | your HomePage seems to be cached and the slider seems to be permanently folded out
FF 17.0 and Chrome 23.0.something - Ubuntu 12.04 (Linux) | [23:10] |
| Bsfez | Mac Chrome is ok too and pictures are changing…
Mac Safarin need an overflow:hidden or something like this same for window IE9 weird now Safari Mac is ok | [23:13] |
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| Bsfez | IE9 Windows still a problem, but, seams the problem is with the slider plugin as it took a while before he resize pictures.
after 15seconds it is working and i never see same images. | [23:17] |
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| Bsfez | fabricius: i reduce number of images to 4 but that doesn't change the delay with IE9…
{SLIDER(width="320px" height="240px" expand="n" resizecontents="y" buildarrows="n" buildnavigation="n" buildstartstop="n" autoplay="y" pauseonhover="y" playrtl="y")}{img randomGalleryId="8"}/////{img randomGalleryId="8"}/////{img randomGalleryId="8"}/////{img randomGalleryId="8"}{SLIDER} | [23:22] |
| fabricius | Opera 12.11 Linux 64bit not working
Bsfez: are you sure, that randomgallery is working in slider? | [23:26] |
| Bsfez | yes as you can see in the code, this is a set of 4 images. On each refresh i see 4 different images. May be there is a confusion there. It doesn't pick randomly pictures on the fly, but at each realod (refresh). | [23:29] |
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| Bsfez | Opera on Mac, same behaviour (no good) as windows IE9
But the problem is with the plugin… at http://avtalyon.org.il/test2 i changed to : {SLIDER(width="320px" height="240px" expand="n" resizecontents="y" buildarrows="n" buildnavigation="n" buildstartstop="n" autoplay="y" pauseonhover="y" playrtl="y")}{img src="display146"}/////{img src="display151"}/////{img src="display152"}/////{img src="display153"}/////{img src="display154"}/////{img src="display155"}/////{img src="display156"}/////{img src="display157"}{SLIDER} | [23:33] |
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