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[00:06] luciash arildb: yes
[00:06] luciash arildb: there is such settings that displays the login screen
[00:06] arildb hi luciash
[00:07] arildb good... I could not find it
[00:08] arildb luciash: do you know where?
[00:10] luciash arildb: tiki-admin.php?page=general&cookietab=3
[00:10] arildb checking
[00:11] luciash "On permission denied, display login module (for Anonymous)"
[00:11] luciash arildb: for your second question, just use the url param to go back to the tracker plugin page
[00:14] arildb Thanks luciash, will try that
[00:17] arildb luciash: the automatic rediect to the login page doesn't work very will (Tiki 9). I get to the page, but it's not really the login screen
[00:29] arildb looks good in trunk using Fivealive
[00:30] arildb not so good - but workable - in Tiki11, using Coelesce
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[02:22] PenguinMan98 Question:
[02:22] PenguinMan98 I created a menu and gave it three menu items.
[02:23] PenguinMan98 Then I created a module in the 'topbar' and put the menu in it.
[02:23] PenguinMan98 Now the menu appears as a vertical menu on the top left of the page on the same level as the login box
[02:24] PenguinMan98 I want it to be a horizontal menu but I can't seem to edit it anymore.  If I go into the modules page and go to 'topbar', it's empty.
[02:24] PenguinMan98 The question is: Where did that menu go?
[02:24] PenguinMan98 The next question is: How to make it horizontal
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[03:34] panamaus uh sorry, wrong channel
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[04:23] luciash PenguinMan98: what Tiki version ?
[04:24] luciash PenguinMan98: in newer Tiki versions, there is the menu module - you have many options for it including specifying horizontal or vertical type menu...
[04:25] luciash PenguinMan98: in older versions you needed to create custom "user module" and put the code {menu id=XY css=y type=horiz} into the module textarea
[04:26] luciash PenguinMan98: where did your menu go ? no idea ... :)
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[05:35] PenguinMan98 luciash: version 10.  Clicking horizontal doesn't change the preview at all.  Clicking the checkbox for css actually reloads the page and doesn't do anything.  And I figured I'd have to figure that out on my own
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[16:56] xavi polom
[16:57] xavi yesterday I tried another tiki upgraded to Tiki11, and I was surprised with a few things that didn't work as expected (probably regressions)
[16:58] xavi and I enabled elFinder but could find no was to use it in file galleries....
[16:58] jonnyb hi xavi - ew...
[16:58] jonnyb there's a new "view" drop down menu replacing the various browse, list, admin views
[16:59] xavi hi jonnyb, well, maybe it's just more documentation is needed (I can help with that), and maybe I did hit 3 regressions
[16:59] jonnyb try "finder" mode on that one
[16:59] xavi ok, there i go....
[16:59] jonnyb yes sorry, no docs :(
[16:59] xavi I?ll help with that as soon as I have some more time for that in the following weeks....
[17:00] xavi I think I'll try to reproduce first the issues in demo.t.o/11.x
[17:00] xavi and I'll try to get elFinder working there in file galleries with this view that you say
[17:01] xavi when I understand how it works to enable it, how to use it, etc. then I can help documenting it for other end users :-)
[17:03] xavi so Jonny, is a file gallery like this one in demo.t.o expected to be accessed through el finder?: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6
[17:03] xavi or is elFinder in 11x still only for files in trackers?
[17:03] jonnyb yes, it's in 11.x
[17:04] xavi then, how can I use elFinder in this file gallery: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6   ?
[17:04] jonnyb pick "finder" on the new view drop down menu near the nav buttons
[17:04] xavi ok, therer I go....
[17:04] jonnyb i'll send you here: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6&view=finder
[17:05] jonnyb it'll...
[17:05] xavi Ah, go it , finally!
[17:05] xavi uff, I would have never searched for it there....
[17:06] xavi anyway, at least, I?ll make some screenshot and add it to the documentation in doc.t.o 11x  etc
[17:09] xavi aha, and we can define the default view per file gallery, great! (therefore we can pre-select elFinder in some file gallery of our site, etc)
[17:09] xavi nice
[17:11] xavi jonnyb, I've clicked at preview an image (png) through the right-click-menu on teh image (Vagrant Chilling), it's displayed in a popup black box with the image inside (nice!).... but I currecntly can't close that box
[17:12] xavi I've clicked at the red icon with the circled cross (upper left) but no effect (chromium here)
[17:12] xavi uff, I could after maximizing the image, then another icon at the bottom showed up, which allowed to close the popup box
[17:14] xavi mmm, duplicating images (there is an option there) do not duplicate them (unable to copy "File Galleries/dsfg/New Svg Image drawing".
[17:17] xavi ok, I'll file some bugs in the bug tracker (I'm not sure wether they are regressions or not, since I didn't use elFinder before)
[17:19] jonnyb sorry, back now
[17:19] xavi np
[17:19] jonnyb yes, closing the preview is a known (bad) bug
[17:19] xavi ok, therefore I don't report this bug, I understand
[17:19] jonnyb click elsewhere on the elfinder pane or press space (must fix that one!)
[17:20] jonnyb duplicate should work... 1 mo
[17:20] xavi the option to duplicate files  should be removed (or fixed)
[17:20] xavi ok
[17:21] jonnyb copy/paste files works though, doesn't it?
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[17:21] xavi no idea, I haven't tried
[17:21] xavi (yet)
[17:22] xavi I'll try ...
[17:22] jonnyb i've also definitely fixed the issue with the apert icon covering up the text... maybe demo's not up to date
[17:22] jonnyb 1 mo more, brb
[17:23] xavi copying from my file manager in my computer and pasting into the file gallery didn't do anything (if that was expected to copy files over the file gallery)
[17:25] xavi mmm, resizing the preview of "Fisier Text" shows "NULL"
[17:25] xavi and regarding extensions, I reckon that users might prefer to have the option to see the file extensions...
[17:26] xavi and they are hidden, since a few versions or so, isn't it?
[17:27] xavi I noticed that there is an option to sort files "by kind", but since no extension is shown, I do not know what to expect from png, jpg, bmp, etc. , or doc, docx,  odt files, etc.
[17:27] jonnyb b
[17:28] xavi to me, there should be an option to allow hiding (or not) the file extensions (I miss the extensionof files, and I know some users that will miss them also)
[17:28] jonnyb drag files from your (local) desktop and drop them on elfinder to upload - copy from local i don't think is part of html5
[17:29] xavi ah, ok, I didn't know. I'll try then (before you talked about "copy and paste", and that's what I tried... :-) I didn't know the details of html5)
[17:29] xavi wohoooo, draging files from local desktop onto file galr with elfinder works like a charm! nice"
[17:30] jonnyb but only a maximum of 20 sadly (seems to be a browser limitation)
[17:30] xavi ok
[17:30] jonnyb also (so far) only files work, not folders
[17:30] xavi for more, probably webdav would be better
[17:31] xavi he he, reorganizing folders by drag and drop in elFinder also works, nice! :-)
[17:31] jonnyb what shows in elfinder is the file "name", not "filename" which is still there if you need the extension etc, just not visible (yet) in elfinder
[17:31] jonnyb yes, mainly upload and move around is good
[17:31] jonnyb new galleries and renaming work ok too
[17:32] jonnyb and yesterday i added unzip :)
[17:32] xavi file names with extenion: ok, and how can I enable to display file name with extension?
[17:32] xavi I can't find it yet...
[17:32] jonnyb all needs more polish for 12, but not bad for now i think
[17:32] xavi yes, looking pretty good right now, good job, jonnyb!
[17:32] jonnyb switch back to one of the old views
[17:33] xavi ok, switched back, still no extensions shown
[17:33] jonnyb you can add that as another column, or do file properties (which is tricky as it's white text on white in that theme)
[17:33] jonnyb http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-upload_file.php?galleryId=6&fileId=1
[17:37] xavi mmm, ok, so right now there is no way in elFinder to display filename (= with extension) instead of just name (without extension). Is that right?
[17:38] xavi I did select in filegal properties to display "filename only" instead of "name", and then, the filename with extension is shown in the former views, but not yet in elFinder view
[17:39] xavi I noticed a column on the right (in elFinder) with informtion about the file type (when the file gal is displayed in "detailed" mode, but still, it wook me a while to notice that the information was there somewhere, since the column  was hidden on the right....
[17:40] xavi ok, anyway, good enough so far everything. ElFinder in file galleries looking pretty good already
[17:40] xavi my congratulations, jonnyb!
[17:40] jonnyb filename not used in elfinder yet, should obey the gallery pref
[17:40] jonnyb thanks :)
[17:40] xavi jonnyb: shall I report the issue about duplicating files showing the error?
[17:42] jonnyb the get info popups appear in the wrong place
[17:42] jonnyb i'll just fix it - in the middle of something else just now (remind me if i forget ;) )
[17:43] xavi he he, I'll forget myself... so I'll drop a bug report (so that I remember - or marc or others - in the future) :-)
[17:43] jonnyb :P
[17:43] xavi in fact, that's why the bug tracker is there, as a reminder :-)
[17:45] xavi he he, and I did set demot.o/11x to use strasa.css, and popup boxes show up below the text area, so they are half hidden, at the most
[17:47] xavi reproduced here: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/display50
[17:56] * xavi wishes luciash, chibaguy or ricks99 where here....
[17:56] xavi s/where/were
[17:57] xavi oups, jonnyb, http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6&filegals_manager=fgal_picker_id shows no files in the file gallery (to me that elFinder should be shown but it's not)
[17:57] xavi I mean in the popup window to upload files, while that file gallery selected has elFinder view pre-selected in the dropdown box.... but no file is displayed to be selected, etc.
[17:57] xavi glups, and selecting in the drop down views something different than ElFinder, and refressing the browser window shows no file again with (again) elFinder pre-selected
[17:57] xavi admin toolbars icon is missing in the wysiwyg toolbars
[17:57] xavi as well as the icon to choose or upload files to file gals
[17:58] jonnyb we reduced the default set of tools for toolbars a while back, i think there were too many "image" ones
[17:58] xavi this is not image but "file/s"
[17:59] jonnyb elfinder does work in the filegals_manager
[17:59] xavi i.e. if you want to upload a pdf to be inserted there
[17:59] jonnyb yes, the default set was deemed to be overloaded (a few webinars ago) so i took a load out
[17:59] jonnyb all those can be got from the plugin help popup
[17:59] xavi oh well, iot does not right now in demo.t.o/1.x: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6&filegals_manager=fgal_picker_id
[18:00] xavi one icon for files is  needed there, imho
[18:00] jonnyb ah, that good old "document.getElementById(maincol).baseURI" bug - it's fixed but demo's not up to date
[18:01] xavi which bug: elFinder in fagl_picker_id ?
[18:01] xavi or pop up boxes shown below central column text area?
[18:02] jonnyb no, it was an arildb thing about the side columns
[18:02] jonnyb but it borks javascript, so elfinder fails
[18:02] xavi ok
[18:02] jonnyb just finishing off something, will svn up demo 11 when i can...
[18:04] * jonnyb svn up's 11x on demo
[18:06] jonnyb tiki-admin_system.php?do=all seems to make quite a mess of itself - will try and clean it up...
[18:07] * xavi reporting some bugs in the bug tracker, in the mean time
[18:08] jonnyb elfinder works again on http://demo.tiki.org/11x/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6&filegals_manager=fgal_picker_id
[18:11] xavi nice, jonnyb! :-)
[18:12] xavi and are you aware of the too-big size of pdf icon when files uploaded are pdf's? REproduced again here: http://demo.tiki.org/11x/HomePage (at the lest of "Cancoll")
[18:12] jonnyb now at least you can read 'Unable to copy "File Galleries/dsfg/Vagrant Chilling".' properly ;)
[18:12] xavi :-)
[18:13] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - duplicating files through elFinder fails with perm error message (for admin)  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4567
[18:13] jonnyb if you try and show it as an image - seems fair enough to me
[18:13] xavi he he, but this is a regression: i didn't try to show it as an image. I did upload it as a file, through file upload (plugin file)
[18:14] xavi and it used to be shown in a smaller size
[18:14] jonnyb but it's using the image plain, no?
[18:14] xavi geoff sppotted this issue weeks ago (I've read it somewhere)
[18:14] xavi I didn't mean to use any image at all, I just indicated to show an icon for the pdf file
[18:15] xavi let me show an example in 9.x
[18:15] jonnyb isn't the {files} plugin for files?
[18:15] xavi see this: http://ueb.vhir.org/tiki-index.php?page=2013-06+BBDD+per+a+la+Recerca+Biom%C3%A8dica&structure=UEB&page_ref_id=411#Material
[18:15] xavi I mean this: http://ueb.vhir.org/dl1007&thumbnail=y&x=16
[18:16] xavi 32x32 pixels
[18:16] jonnyb right yes, they got big! :)
[18:16] xavi yes :-) they are growing, since it's a few versions higher :-D
[18:16] jonnyb actually i think it was me, i had to fix some stuff for svg files and moved a few things around in there...
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[18:24] jonnyb i just got that thing where you get redirected to a tiki-download_file.php?blah=blah when you log in - seen it a couple of times before and Jyhem_ had reported it too... odd one!
[18:26] jonnyb xavi: how do you end up with that weird pdf in an img plugin syntax?
[18:27] xavi jonnyb: using the tool in the toolbar that disappeared in 11x :-)
[18:27] xavi PluginFile, and select (in advanced) icon=y
[18:28] xavi Pluginfiles adds icon by default (for more usability)
[18:28] jonnyb aha - but it looks like an img plugin - i think wysiwyg is getting muddled
[18:28] jonnyb (another thing to fix ;) )
[18:29] xavi mmm, however, isn't this issue something non-realated to wysiwyg?
[18:29] xavi see https://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+11x#General_regressions   (the last one)
[18:30] xavi it's not using wysiwyg at all, just displaying with an img plugin both urls, same structure, in 11.x and 10.x, and in 11.x it gets displayed way bigger
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[18:36] jonnyb yes, i know, but when i edited the page in it shows that plugin as an img one
[18:36] xavi ah, ok
[18:37] jonnyb ah, right - i se what's happening - it shows the img plugin code generated by the file plugin - will remove from the "render" list (it's confusing)
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[18:45] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - edit wiki page with strasa.css shows popup boxes hidden below the text area  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4568
[18:51] Jyhem_ jonnyb: Yes! I never figured out how to reproduce, though :-( On Tiki 9. Did you get it on a site which uses perspectives ? Mine did and I was wondering if that was related.
[18:52] jonnyb hmm, i wasn't using perspectives but there are a couple...
[18:53] jonnyb i was using file galleries though just before (as anon) so was guessing that somehow the server referrer uri had got muddled up
[18:54] jonnyb have left a break point in the relevant place to i might be able to catch it in the act (or course it wouldn't do it again when i retried!)
[18:55] Jyhem_ No, I nearly never use files galleries on that site. I don't manage the content. Then again this is an extremely rare occurence...
[18:55] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Icon missing for Plugin File (or to upload a file) in default and upgraded toolbars  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4569
[18:55] Jyhem_ Yes, what I said: I never figured out how to reproduce :-(
[18:56] jonnyb we'll catch it eventually - most elusive!
[18:57] xavi btw, jonny, in a site that I updraded recetnly from 10.x to 11.x, the two tools to upload files (through the toolbar) where removed
[18:58] xavi related to http://dev.tiki.org/item4569 , and to the nice feature to "choose or upload files" that Jyhem coded a few versions ago :-)
[18:58] xavi s/Jyhem/Jyhem_
[18:58] xavi removed from the toolbar, I mean
[18:59] Jyhem_ Good luck with the hunt. I gotta go to the "neighbourg's meal", since I have this status ;)
[18:59] xavi see you jyhem_
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[19:23] samu89 Hello guys
[19:24] samu89 I'm newbie on tiki dev
[19:24] samu89 and i need a litle help...
[19:25] xavi hi samu89, welcome. just ask
[19:25] samu89 ok]
[19:25] samu89 i want add a feature to file list gallery
[19:25] samu89 to show the files categorized
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[19:28] samu89 i discovered the file which maybe be responsable to organize it
[19:28] samu89 but i don't understand how it works
[19:29] samu89 In resume: i need only add one more "if, isset" or i need edit others files
[19:29] xavi samu89: did you try using first the plugins that allow you to display content based on categories, etc?
[19:29] samu89 too
[19:31] samu89 No, in true
[19:32] samu89 The ask: can i show the tables how categories with plugins? Like: homeworks, tests, etc.
[19:34] xavi samu89: last sentence, can you try again rewording the sentence?
[19:34] xavi (I don't get it)
[19:34] samu89 ok
[19:35] samu89 I don't know if you understand the feature, so, i explain again
[19:36] xavi which feature?
[19:36] samu89 In file galleries, i want show files separed by types, like: "pdf, doc, ppt".
[19:37] samu89 The feature which i want make
[19:37] xavi he he, this is (partly) coming in Tiki11 with elFinder view in file galleries
[19:37] xavi let me make also a screenshot about it, and improve the documentation
[19:39] samu89 please wait
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[19:58] samu89 Xavi?
[19:58] samu89 Xavi?
[19:59] xavi hi samu89, sory, I'm documenting that file gallery improvments right now
[19:59] xavi so what else do you need to code that feature? (I don't know how to code it myself)
[20:00] samu89 i send the screeshot to you
[20:00] samu89 right?
[20:01] xavi samu89: say the question first
[20:01] xavi I haven't opened that file, until I know why should I open it
[20:01] xavi and best approach is to upload the file somewhere, and post the link here, so that anyone available can help, now or in the future, etc
[20:02] samu89 ok
[20:02] xavi would you open in your home computer a file sent by someone you don't know with an attachment?
[20:02] samu89 ok
[20:03] xavi I mean, you have to understand the point of view of the people that will try to help you, but don't know you, etc.
[20:03] xavi so what is your next question, then?
[20:06] samu89 Now, the screen: http://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload/2013-06/1371233126.or.2591.png
[20:07] xavi ok, thanks, and your question is?
[20:07] samu89 i have problems to understand tiki code, because i can't found methods and functions
[20:07] xavi how to commit that? how to make that optional?....
[20:07] samu89 No
[20:07] samu89 How add feature to code
[20:07] xavi see this: http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+world
[20:07] samu89 if i need only add one more "if"
[20:08] xavi subscribe to the tikiwiki-devel list (see https://tiki.org/Lists ) and ask there
[20:09] xavi did you make your feature optional?
[20:09] xavi are you aware of the 3 dev rules in tiki? https://dev.tiki.org/3rules
[20:10] xavi maybe it's not just how to add on e more "if"...
[20:10] xavi so welcome to Tiki, again, take it easy, and thanks for your contributions! :-)
[20:13] samu89 Ok, i start my work. =P
[20:13] samu89 *i will
[20:14] xavi ok, nice :-)
[20:17] xavi samu89: see this: https://doc.tiki.org/File+Gallery#File_Gallery_improvements_in_Tiki11
[20:17] xavi and specially this one: https://doc.tiki.org/display841
[20:18] samu89 I thank you for all help =P
[20:18] xavi ^jonnyb: I did my 2 cents with the documentation of your improvements with file gals and elFinder
[20:18] xavi samu89: you are welcome :-)
[20:18] xavi ok, my time to disconnect
[20:19] xavi well, last question, samu89: where are you from?
[20:19] xavi portugal? brazil?
[20:19] samu89 brazil
[20:19] samu89 and you?
[20:19] xavi he he , rodrigoprimo is also from BRazil (nice to see more devs from Brazil :-)
[20:20] xavi me from L'Hospitalet de Llobregat, Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain, Europe, ...
[20:20] xavi ok, time to disconnect for me
[20:20] xavi see you all
[20:20] xavi and nice to meet you samu89
[20:20] jonnyb nice, thanks xavi :)
[20:21] xavi you are welcome! :-)
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[20:22] rodrigoprimo samu89: welcome to the tiki community :)
[20:22] rodrigoprimo samu89: nice to see other devs from brazil joining
[20:24] samu89 nice to meet you, xavi
[20:25] samu89 hello rodrigoprimo, i feel so too
[20:25] rodrigoprimo samu89: let me know if you need any help
[20:25] samu89 (até podemos conversar em português, hehe)
[20:26] samu89 well, i want show files by categorie, like file types
[20:28] samu89 like this:  http://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload/2013-06/1371233126.or.2591.png
[20:28] samu89 and add option to show categorized or linear view
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