[00:00] fabricius PenguinMan98: we could do a quick Trackers seminar in a few days for you and Telesight, if you want .. trackers are cool
[00:00] fabricius need to find a date
[00:00] fabricius and time
[00:01] PenguinMan98 The page that it's on has the 'public' category set on it.  The blog itself has the 'guide protected' category.  And the blog post is set to 'public' category
[00:01] PenguinMan98 That would be awesome
[00:01] PenguinMan98 All three categories are set to be visible by the anonymous user
[00:01] fabricius aha
[00:02] fabricius but?
[00:02] PenguinMan98 If an anonymous clicks on it, they get told to log in
[00:02] PenguinMan98 If a registered user clicks on it, they get told they don't have permission
[00:02] fabricius hmmm
[00:03] fabricius maybe because Tiki looks up the Blog first and then the BlogPost
[00:03] fabricius So Blog says "no"
[00:03] fabricius Just sought ... maybe weird this setup ... why so?
[00:03] fabricius /s/sought/thought
[00:04] PenguinMan98 I thought of that, but the Blog should say yes because the guide protected category is viewable by the anon user
[00:04] fabricius meaning .. was thinking ;-)
[00:04] fabricius ah yes you said
[00:04] fabricius hmmm
[00:05] PenguinMan98 The point of my set up is that I have a page viewable by the public with a blog on it.  The page itself should be editable by wiki editors and guide staff.  The blog should only be editable by the guide staff.  So it gets the guide protected category.  Then the post in the blog, why does it even ask for a category?  I set it public so everyone could see it.
[00:06] fabricius for you backbrain just to remind, in case you tried all different options - in some cases - some specific permissions - you need to set as global permission ... will not work only in category or sometimes a global permission is needed to "support" a certain category permission ... very rare, butfor some combinations necessary
[00:07] fabricius maybe you do not set a category for the post
[00:07] fabricius leave it with the blog
[00:07] PenguinMan98 Lemme try that
[00:07] fabricius I think the idea is to either categorise the Blog or the Post, but not both ... just thinking
[00:08] * fabricius going for a smoke
[00:08] * fabricius being wet from rain .. was lashing straiught after sitting on bike .. hehe
[00:09] PenguinMan98 nope, that didn't help
[00:09] fabricius args
[00:09] fabricius no object permission?
[00:09] PenguinMan98 I'll try an object permission now.
[00:10] PenguinMan98 The only reservation I have is that I can't put blog posts in that blog that are only viewable by the guides if I set an object permission
[00:10] fabricius oh I meant be sure NOT to have an existing object permission - I avoid due to conflicts you never find after a while
[00:10] PenguinMan98 Oh, well I avoid even setting those permissions for that reason
[00:11] fabricius loet me smok outside and think about it
[00:11] PenguinMan98 kk
[00:11] PenguinMan98 ty
[00:14] luciash PenguinMan98: might be a regression bug too in your Tiki version - I think I recently stumbled upon something simmilar in 9.2 (not to be able to display blog to anonymous)
[00:14] fabricius BTW PenguinMan98 did you see the blog edit button on the bottom left? http://screencast.com/t/vjYQhZl0AC
[00:14] * luciash wonders if anonymous is now "trigger" word for NSA or something
[00:14] fabricius you marked the heading edit buttons
[00:14] PenguinMan98 ah, yes!
[00:14] fabricius Terrorist Anonymous Bomb
[00:15] fabricius ouch we are tracked now
[00:15] PenguinMan98 the heading edit buttons do not edit the headings they are positioned next to though
[00:15] PenguinMan98 That's the bug
[00:15] luciash fabricius: don't say that ! :D b-b-b-b---b-b--b-b-b---b-bomb !
[00:15] fabricius I should not say bomb?
[00:15] fabricius why?
[00:15] luciash on a plane ;)
[00:16] fabricius next time on a plane "bomb bomb bombastic flight"
[00:17] fabricius once Ientered a plane and asked loud "did you see the tires? down to the carcass. ... uhh some people have been looking scared .. but they really have been down
[00:18] PenguinMan98 I had a friend who had a very large object in his backyard.  He claimed he found it one day and rolled it home.  He wanted to know if we knew what it went to.  My buddy and I obliged and went back to examine the object
[00:18] PenguinMan98 It was an aircraft tire
[00:19] PenguinMan98 Which led to all kinds of speculation about where it came from and what happened to the rest of the plane
[00:19] PenguinMan98 It wasn't a small one either. It was a bigger passenger plane tire
[00:20] luciash fabricius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcK5gSRti4g
[00:22] luciash PenguinMan98: wow
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[00:27] h2mster hi
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[00:29] astroo- hello
[00:30] h2mster ;)
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[00:47] PenguinMan98 sup
[00:50] PenguinMan98 What if I just want to turn off the right side section editor buttons?
[00:50] PenguinMan98 like tiki for smarties has them turned off
[00:50] * PenguinMan98 goes hunting in the wiki settings
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[01:16] * PenguinMan98 fails to find it
[01:32] * PenguinMan98 found something but there doesn't seem to be any documentation on the feature
[01:34] PenguinMan98 nope, that wasn't what I wanted at all
[01:34] PenguinMan98 *headdesk*
[01:44] PenguinMan98 this seems to be what I want, but the feature isn't there in the config
[01:45] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/Qi6OuauA07
[01:46] * PenguinMan98 ponders the feasibility of making a separate doc.tiki.org for each revision
[02:12] fabricius PenguinMan98: the headline edit buttons .. easy to switch off
[02:13] fabricius luciash: ouch bomb
[02:24] fabricius PenguinMan98: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons"
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[05:18] astroo- bye people
[05:28] luciash bye astroo-
[05:33] astroo- bye
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[06:22] PenguinMan98 hey everyone
[06:22] PenguinMan98 I'm back
[06:23] PenguinMan98 Tonight's goal is to learn how to customize the look and feel of the homepage and modules on it
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[07:20] * PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom plugins.  Decides that's not gonna work for his needs
[07:32] * PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom modules but that doesn't seem to be what he needs either.  Unless they just conveniently forgot to mention you can use php code in them
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[07:32] PenguinMan98 hey fabricius
[07:33] PenguinMan98 maybe you can point me in the right direction
[07:34] PenguinMan98 I want to take these side bar modules I custom coded, and put them on the wiki
[07:34] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/u61M9VJvq67n
[07:34] PenguinMan98 What is the best way to do that?
[07:36] PenguinMan98 For the one, the data is coming out of the wiki just fine, I just need to style it
[07:36] PenguinMan98 For the second, I need to pull the data from a custom database field.
[07:36] PenguinMan98 table*
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[08:29] fabricius PenguinMan98: I have no time now, i must leave the house. You might ask tonight, if you didn't find a solution by then ... a hint so far: check how the parameters look like in a default module - you could configure a dummy module from the list, give it some parameters in the given fields and check the sriting in the list of the applied modules
[08:29] fabricius PenguinMan98: these parameters you can set for a custom module in this way: parameter1&parameter2&parameter3 etc.
[08:30] PenguinMan98 ok, thank you
[08:30] fabricius PenguinMan98:  for example: nobox=y&page=HomePage&class=anyname
[08:31] PenguinMan98 Yes, but it's plugins that do the php work
[08:31] PenguinMan98 I'm not sure how to interface the two
[08:32] fabricius PenguinMan98: you define a class in the css file of your theme and use this class as parameter for the module
[08:32] fabricius once the plugin is in a module the class of the module apply
[08:32] PenguinMan98 Yes, but I still need to do custom PHP to get info from my database
[08:32] fabricius there are plugins like the plugin {DIV()} which you can apply classes two
[08:33] PenguinMan98 again, that's css. I need php
[08:33] fabricius there should be a Plugin {PHP()} or {SMARTY()}
[08:33] fabricius you can put Smarty code into the custom module
[08:34] PenguinMan98 smarty disables the {PHP} tags by default.
[08:34] fabricius or wikisyntax/wikiplugins, like this
[08:35] fabricius Smarty bla bla {wiki}{literal}wikisyntax including wikiplugins here{/literal}{/wiki}smarty bla bla
[08:36] fabricius inside the wiki literal tags you can use every wikiplugin, which maybe could do the job, so you can try to find a plugin if there is no module and you can combine several plugins and build up a module with it
[08:39] fabricius you can rad about the [list} plugin or some mysql plugin ... I have no time to check now .. this is more advanced stuff and even experienced users have to think a while about how to get something like that togethter - so for now just some ideas to give you a direction
[08:40] fabricius I am very busy outside virtual life theses days, will try to look up when you come back in the evening (European time) and might be better available next week -- interesting task you talk about
[08:40] PenguinMan98 kk ty!
[08:41] fabricius so have fun with modules and plugins and tell me the status lateron, bye
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[09:23] PenguinMan98 oh wtf is this?
[09:24] PenguinMan98 This is the absolute most egregious fail of this entire software.
[09:24] PenguinMan98 You've gone thorugh how many revisions and still haven't figured out how to do this?
[09:24] PenguinMan98 I can't use categories to give my guys permissions to create new wiki pages
[09:25] PenguinMan98 What the hell
[09:33] PenguinMan98 This is core functionality
[09:33] PenguinMan98 Now I have to go in as admin and set up every single page they need.  That's a huge burden on me that I don't need rightnow
[09:56] pengy-frustrated gnite
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[15:50] * marclaporte smells an upgrade
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[17:02] PenguinMan98 hey fabricius , thank you for this: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons"
[17:04] PenguinMan98 only issue is, it didn't seem to work to change it.  Also, how do I get to that page besides typing it in manually?
[17:06] PenguinMan98 oh, that was counter intuitive.  Turning the feature on, turned the edit icons off
[17:06] * PenguinMan98 files that away as silliness
[17:07] PenguinMan98 Back to my huge core screwup problem
[17:07] PenguinMan98 Why can I not use categories to give my editors permissions to create wiki pages?
[17:08] PenguinMan98 I understand the technical problem is that when you create a new page by creating a link on a page, you don't know the category of the page that will be created so when the guy clicks on the ? it doesn't know what permissions to use
[17:08] PenguinMan98 But it seems that this would be very easily solved by defaulting that new page to use the category and permissions of the page he is linking it from
[17:09] PenguinMan98 How did you guys get around this?
[17:09] PenguinMan98 Or did you not?
[17:09] ricks99 PenguinMan98: when using the searc box or quick edit page module, you can specify category
[17:10] ricks99 can also use the "force category" option to require selection of a specific category (or select from a tree of categories) when creating pages
[17:10] PenguinMan98 But force category only works when creating a new page from the wiki -> create new page interface
[17:10] PenguinMan98 Which my users don't seem to have permission to see
[17:11] ricks99 no. should work from any. When saving, user is told he must select category
[17:11] PenguinMan98 So, user A edits page A and puts in a link ((B)).  When he tries to save page A, he gets a popup?  Or what?
[17:12] ricks99 yes. will be told that "category must be selected"
[17:12] PenguinMan98 That seems like it will work.  I'd rather just default it to the category the page he's linking from. It would save hassle
[17:14] ricks99 could b a nice enahancment
[17:15] * PenguinMan98 found on google last night that this conversation has been had since version 2.  He wonders why nobody has done this already so many years later
[17:15] ricks99 probably not that easy
[17:15] ricks99 what if the source page is in multiple categories
[17:15] ricks99 what if the editor has view perm for the category, but not add/remove objects (but still has perm to create wiki pages)
[17:15] ricks99 etc
[17:16] ricks99 lots of possible issues
[17:16] * ricks99 thinks *he* had this converstion since vers 2 ;)
[17:16] PenguinMan98 the conversations I found were with marclaporte
[17:16] ricks99 fwiw, this functionality exists in strutures already (iirc)
[17:17] ricks99 when addinga child page in a structure, you can tell it to inherit the cat
[17:17] PenguinMan98 what's a structure?
[17:17] ricks99 wiki structure: defined browse path with parent/child relationships
[17:17] ricks99 i.e.,: a set of hierarchical pages
[17:18] PenguinMan98 How do you set one of those up?
[17:18] ricks99 http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures
[17:18] ricks99 good starting point :)
[17:20] PenguinMan98 Yeah, (and not to sound whiny but...) except that 9/10 pages on your site are for older versions of tiki and I have to spend an hour trying to figure out how to translate your info to my tiki.
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[17:20] marclaporte polom
[17:20] ricks99 sorry... tiki moves too fast for me to keep up. i try to aim for LTS versions
[17:21] ricks99 but should be easy enuf to figure out
[17:21] PenguinMan98 The feel I get is that the interface was pretty stable up to tiki 9 but for 10 they totally moved everything around
[17:21] ricks99 polom marclaporte
[17:22] ricks99 y. Tiki 10 is not an LTS
[17:22] ricks99 will be end of life shortly
[17:22] PenguinMan98 Well some of us always want the latest version on the assumption that it'll be the most feature rich and stable.
[17:23] ricks99 if you want stability, use LTS
[17:23] PenguinMan98 I just don't know if I can justify the downgrade to tiki 9 at this point
[17:23] ricks99 you should review: http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle
[17:24] ricks99 eseically the "upgrade examples"
[17:27] PenguinMan98 interesting
[17:28] PenguinMan98 I'm not surprised there is no downgrade
[17:28] ricks99 no not possible
[17:28] PenguinMan98 I was expecting a downgrade to involve removing the tiki and starting over
[17:28] ricks99 pretty much
[17:28] PenguinMan98 Which is why I'm not willing to do that
[17:28] PenguinMan98 Users are already actively using the site
[17:29] ricks99 y. if site is already launched, to late to select LTS
[17:30] PenguinMan98 Thankfully this site is just a hobby site and nothing professional
[17:32] PenguinMan98 Already I'm stuck on step 2 of enabling structures because the where it was on tiki 9
[17:33] PenguinMan98 because it's not* where it was
[17:33] ricks99 ?
[17:33] ricks99 are you filtering your admin opitons?
[17:33] PenguinMan98 advanced is on
[17:33] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/N7qGaNtG
[17:33] ricks99 structures is on the admin: wiki page
[17:33] PenguinMan98 oh hang on,
[17:34] PenguinMan98 yeah
[17:34] PenguinMan98 Just noticed that
[17:34] ricks99 ur on the wrong page
[17:34] ricks99 see step 1 on http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures
[17:34] ricks99 remember, u can always search for specifci options
[17:35] PenguinMan98 that didn't help me find the option for toggling the section edit buttons
[17:35] ricks99 odd.what version are you using? in my 9LTS, when isearch for "TOGGLE" it is the second option shown
[17:36] PenguinMan98 I'm in 10.?
[17:36] ricks99 oh. sorry
[17:36] PenguinMan98 And of course it shows up when I do that today just to spite me
[17:36] ricks99 lol
[17:37] * PenguinMan98 crumples up all his pride and throws it out the window
[17:37] ricks99 sounds like a standard PICNIC error ;-)
[17:37] PenguinMan98 ... never heard of that one before
[17:38] ricks99 picnic = problem in chair; not in computer
[17:38] PenguinMan98 Ah, we use PEBCAK
[17:38] PenguinMan98 Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.  (I goofed the acronym)
[17:40] PenguinMan98 So, how do you take existing pages and make them a structure?
[17:41] ricks99 http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Adding+Pages+to+Structures
[17:43] PenguinMan98 actually, I think this is more what I need: http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Creating+Structures
[17:43] ricks99 o. thought u wanted to add an existing page to a structure
[17:44] PenguinMan98 Well, I dont' have any yet. I just enabled them
[17:44] ricks99 o, then y. you must create a structrure before adding antyhing to it
[17:44] PenguinMan98 Do all the pages in a structure need to have the same category?
[17:45] PenguinMan98 There are a few pages I'd like to protect
[17:45] ricks99 no.  they can have any category
[17:45] ricks99 or mulitple categories
[17:45] ricks99 but iirc, theres an option (when creating a child page within a structure) to inherit its parent categories
[17:46] PenguinMan98 Yeah, I turned that on
[17:46] ricks99 your in tiki 10 or trunk (11)?
[17:47] PenguinMan98 10
[17:47] ricks99 be sure to check the existing bugs... make sure u dont hit any bumps
[17:48] PenguinMan98 oh I tend to find them easy enough
[17:48] PenguinMan98 lol
[17:50] PenguinMan98 like making horizontal menus is borked
[17:51] PenguinMan98 if you check the box for []CSS it reloads the page and does nothing
[17:51] ricks99 check box for CSS?
[17:52] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/7NUddFc5R
[17:53] ricks99 o... didn't realize you completely switched gears.
[17:53] ricks99 in 10, i think the menu preview was 'experminatal'. YMMV
[17:53] PenguinMan98 you said find bugs
[17:53] ricks99 don't waste your time in 10
[17:53] ricks99 11 is about to b beta.
[17:53] PenguinMan98 fine
[17:53] ricks99 upon release, 10 is closed
[17:53] PenguinMan98 yup
[17:54] PenguinMan98 I'll happily upgrade
[17:54] ricks99 off to find luch. bbl ttyl
[17:54] PenguinMan98 kk. thanks for your time
[17:54] ricks99 cya
[18:07] PenguinMan98 blah.  I created the structure but the navigation is borked.  It doesn't go into the next page
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[18:22] PenguinMan98 I think I shot myself in the foot by naming the structure the same as an existing page
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[18:47] PenguinMan98 OK.  I finally have the structure working
[18:47] PenguinMan98 Only one little minor teensy weensy detail
[18:47] PenguinMan98 My users STILL cannot create pages here!
[18:48] PenguinMan98 *headkeyboard repeatedly*
[18:52] arildb PenguinMan98: Try to revoke the edit structure permission
[18:52] PenguinMan98 from my public users?
[18:53] PenguinMan98 err, my public category?
[18:59] arildb PenguinMan98: Is the structure linked to a category?
[19:01] PenguinMan98 Yeah, public
[19:03] PenguinMan98 Public is a category that everyone including anonymous users can view but only registered users with voice and wiki edit permissions can change
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[19:04] ricks99|away PenguinMan98: did u give them ability to edit the structure?
[19:04] PenguinMan98 yes
[19:04] ricks99|away and the ability to add items to the category
[19:05] PenguinMan98 ... no
[19:05] ricks99|away if you want them to be able to create a page that will be in a category, they need perm to add items to the category
[19:05] * PenguinMan98 did not know that...
[19:07] ricks99|away i think  tiki_p_add_object and tiki_p_remove_object
[19:07] PenguinMan98 Ok. So I'm looking at this and I'm thinking
[19:07] ricks99|away see docs for details http://doc.tiki.org/permissions
[19:07] PenguinMan98 In my wiki, only users with wiki edit permission can add objects
[19:07] PenguinMan98 but in my forums, registered users with voice can add forum posts
[19:07] ricks99|away edit != add
[19:08] PenguinMan98 'wiki edit' is the name of a group
[19:08] ricks99|away forms can be categorized -- but not specific posts
[19:08] luciash hi
[19:09] ricks99|away hiya luciash
[19:09] luciash there is also tiki_p_modify_category_objects
[19:09] PenguinMan98 So, if I set my category permission to allow all registered users with voice to add items, this would allow  ... wait no. THey can add forum posts already
[19:09] luciash hi ricks99|away who is not away
[19:09] * ricks99|away almost away... vacation next week
[19:10] ricks99|away PenguinMan98: sorry, i'm now confused... thought u wanted to have users work on wiki pages in a category? forums are diffretn
[19:12] PenguinMan98 The deal is, I'm not sure what the category permissions will all affect once set
[19:12] PenguinMan98 I'm trying to be cognizant of how it will affect my forums / etc
[19:12] ricks99|away any object in the category
[19:12] PenguinMan98 Here is my current permissions state for the public category: http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj
[19:12] ricks99|away perms are inhereted from group -> category -> object, and override object -> category -> group
[19:13] PenguinMan98 But my wiki editor user is still not able to create pages
[19:13] ricks99|away first, check your prems for the group: "wiki editor"
[19:14] ricks99|away ur screen shot is shwoing *GROUP* perms -- not categories
[19:14] PenguinMan98 what? No. That's category
[19:14] ricks99|away http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj
[19:14] ricks99|away those are groups
[19:14] ricks99|away anon, reg, etc.
[19:15] PenguinMan98 yes
[19:15] ricks99|away your screenshot http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj is showing GROUP perms -- not category
[19:15] PenguinMan98 That whole page is the permissions for the public category.
[19:15] PenguinMan98 Look at the url
[19:16] PenguinMan98 objectType = category
[19:16] ricks99|away duh. my bad
[19:16] PenguinMan98 The permissions for that group are empty
[19:16] ricks99|away ok. what are the perms for the actual category. they will override the group perms
[19:16] ricks99|away i mean the group
[19:16] ricks99|away *sigh*
[19:17] PenguinMan98 <PenguinMan98> The permissions for that group are empty
[19:18] ricks99|away are you missing tiki_p_modify_object_categories? a requirment for p_add_object?
[19:18] PenguinMan98 probably
[19:19] PenguinMan98 where can I find that?
[19:19] ricks99|away belive it is in the Tiki section. you can use the search/filter
[19:20] PenguinMan98 aha. It's the only thing there
[19:21] PenguinMan98 Nope. Still can't add pages
[19:21] ricks99|away not sure then. if you want, feel free to pm me site info and i'll b happy to take a look
[19:22] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/9DTUkk8jDoar
[19:22] PenguinMan98 That's my permissions
[19:22] ricks99|away fwiw, normally i add all my perms at group level, then remove/filter by using cats. not by adding (as ur doing)
[19:23] PenguinMan98 I think I'll need to shift how I think about the permissions before I can understand what you mean
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[20:11] PenguinMan98 have some awesome music
[20:11] PenguinMan98 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRHx4cPgbE
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[20:43] PenguinMan98 can anyone tell me what tiki_p_blog_post_view_ref does? It's not on the http://doc.tiki.org/Permissions+List
[20:43] PenguinMan98 The text offered is: Can view in module and feed the blog posts
[20:43] PenguinMan98 but what does that mean?
[20:47] PenguinMan98 Also when editing the group permissions, why can you 'select groups' ?
[20:47] PenguinMan98 Seems weird
[20:48] PenguinMan98 What would it mean if you were editing the anonymous group and set the permission for the registered user?
[20:48] ricks99|away iirc, "select group" means the user can seledt the specific group from the grouplist (ie., when adding group field to tracker)
[20:49] ricks99|away allows you to create droplist in forms that include/omit specific groups
[20:49] PenguinMan98 .... can you give me an example?
[20:50] ricks99|away if you have a form (tracker) that has a GROUP field, this way you can assign items to specific groups (e.g., in a call center)
[20:50] PenguinMan98 I think we're not talking about the same thing
[20:51] PenguinMan98 I want to set the group permissions
[20:52] ricks99|away ok
[20:52] PenguinMan98 there are two different buttons to do that: http://screencast.com/t/UMK0v2d3GG
[20:52] PenguinMan98 The top button seems to go to global permissions.  I'm not sure that's what I want
[20:53] PenguinMan98 So I click on the key instead for the Anonymous group
[20:53] ricks99|away global = group perm
[20:53] ricks99|away perms are  being changed thru tiki 11. see dev site for deatils
[20:54] PenguinMan98 So, those two links go to the same place even though there is a URL parameter if I use the key?
[20:54] ricks99|away detailed info (iirc) in the dev roamap
[20:54] ricks99|away afaik
[20:54] PenguinMan98 I see
[20:54] ricks99|away the key preloads the selected group
[20:54] ricks99|away the "manage perm" button at top, starts generally
[20:55] PenguinMan98 k
[20:55] PenguinMan98 That's silliness and needless confusion imho.
[20:56] ricks99|away y. tiki 10 is not a "real' release.
[20:56] PenguinMan98 It's real to me
[20:56] ricks99|away things get changed between LTS in pieces
[20:56] ricks99|away real yes, but very limited lifecycle
[20:56] PenguinMan98 It's what I've got and I've gotta use
[20:56] ricks99|away if you want  toedit the perms for aspecific group, click the key icon
[20:57] PenguinMan98 If you have the 'select groups' set, then it will stay set even if you click the key.  The only change is if you didn't have the group already selected and click the key, it will add it to the groups selected
[20:58] ricks99|away y. the key slects the group
[20:58] PenguinMan98 or if you had already selected the group, the key does nothing
[20:59] ricks99|away y. the key is a hold over from prior verisons that did not allow u to work on multiple group perms at once
[20:59] ricks99|away it is the "old" way
[20:59] ricks99|away check the dev site for fulld etails and explanation and roadmap
[21:02] PenguinMan98 I see
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[22:51] astroo- hello people
[22:55] PenguinMan98 hey astroo
[22:55] PenguinMan98 My clicky finger is soooooo tired now
[22:56] PenguinMan98 but I've completely redone my permissions system from the ground up
[22:58] astroo- hello
[23:37] luciash PenguinMan98: congrats
[23:37] PenguinMan98 Ricks99 helped me see that I'd basically set up a whitelisting style permissions system where only certain things were allowed
[23:38] PenguinMan98 Instead of how it was intended to be used as a blacklist style only restrict what you need to restrict
[23:43] luciash PenguinMan98: yes, whitelisting is better approach if you plan mostly restrictive system, blacklisting is better if you plan open collaborative system and want to restrict only few parts of your site
[23:52] PenguinMan98 My staff are all super excited now that everything works as intended
[23:54] PenguinMan98 I was beginning to freak out I had this great wiki and nobody was using it
[23:54] PenguinMan98 It was that they couldn't
[23:54] PenguinMan98 fixed now
[23:55] PenguinMan98 Now, I return to the issue of a customized module appearance / css