fabricius: need to find a date
and time
PenguinMan98: The page that it's on has the 'public' category set on it. The blog itself has the 'guide protected' category. And the blog post is set to 'public' category
That would be awesome
All three categories are set to be visible by the anonymous user
fabricius: aha
but?
PenguinMan98: If an anonymous clicks on it, they get told to log in
If a registered user clicks on it, they get told they don't have permission
fabricius: hmmm
maybe because Tiki looks up the Blog first and then the BlogPost
So Blog says "no"
Just sought ... maybe weird this setup ... why so?
/s/sought/thought
PenguinMan98: I thought of that, but the Blog should say yes because the guide protected category is viewable by the anon user
fabricius: meaning .. was thinking ;-)
ah yes you said
hmmm
PenguinMan98: The point of my set up is that I have a page viewable by the public with a blog on it. The page itself should be editable by wiki editors and guide staff. The blog should only be editable by the guide staff. So it gets the guide protected category. Then the post in the blog, why does it even ask for a category? I set it public so everyone could see it.
fabricius: for you backbrain just to remind, in case you tried all different options - in some cases - some specific permissions - you need to set as global permission ... will not work only in category or sometimes a global permission is needed to "support" a certain category permission ... very rare, butfor some combinations necessary
maybe you do not set a category for the post
leave it with the blog
PenguinMan98: Lemme try that
fabricius: I think the idea is to either categorise the Blog or the Post, but not both ... just thinking
-: fabricius going for a smoke
fabricius being wet from rain .. was lashing straiught after sitting on bike .. hehe
PenguinMan98: nope, that didn't help
fabricius: args
no object permission?
PenguinMan98: I'll try an object permission now.
The only reservation I have is that I can't put blog posts in that blog that are only viewable by the guides if I set an object permission
fabricius: oh I meant be sure NOT to have an existing object permission - I avoid due to conflicts you never find after a while
PenguinMan98: Oh, well I avoid even setting those permissions for that reason
fabricius: loet me smok outside and think about it
PenguinMan98: kk
ty
luciash: PenguinMan98: might be a regression bug too in your Tiki version - I think I recently stumbled upon something simmilar in 9.2 (not to be able to display blog to anonymous)
fabricius: BTW PenguinMan98 did you see the blog edit button on the bottom left? http://screencast.com/t/vjYQhZl0AC
-: luciash wonders if anonymous is now "trigger" word for NSA or something
fabricius: you marked the heading edit buttons
PenguinMan98: ah, yes!
fabricius: Terrorist Anonymous Bomb
ouch we are tracked now
PenguinMan98: the heading edit buttons do not edit the headings they are positioned next to though
That's the bug
luciash: fabricius: don't say that ! :D b-b-b-b---b-b--b-b-b---b-bomb !
fabricius: I should not say bomb?
why?
luciash: on a plane ;)
fabricius: next time on a plane "bomb bomb bombastic flight"
once Ientered a plane and asked loud "did you see the tires? down to the carcass. ... uhh some people have been looking scared .. but they really have been down
PenguinMan98: I had a friend who had a very large object in his backyard. He claimed he found it one day and rolled it home. He wanted to know if we knew what it went to. My buddy and I obliged and went back to examine the object
It was an aircraft tire
Which led to all kinds of speculation about where it came from and what happened to the rest of the plane
It wasn't a small one either. It was a bigger passenger plane tire
luciash: fabricius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcK5gSRti4g
PenguinMan98: wow
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astroo-: hello
h2mster: ;)
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PenguinMan98: sup
What if I just want to turn off the right side section editor buttons?
like tiki for smarties has them turned off
-: PenguinMan98 goes hunting in the wiki settings
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-: PenguinMan98 fails to find it
PenguinMan98 found something but there doesn't seem to be any documentation on the feature
PenguinMan98: nope, that wasn't what I wanted at all
*headdesk*
this seems to be what I want, but the feature isn't there in the config
http://screencast.com/t/Qi6OuauA07
-: PenguinMan98 ponders the feasibility of making a separate doc.tiki.org for each revision
fabricius: PenguinMan98: the headline edit buttons .. easy to switch off
luciash: ouch bomb
PenguinMan98: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons"
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bye people
luciash: bye astroo-
astroo-: bye
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hey everyone
I'm back
Tonight's goal is to learn how to customize the look and feel of the homepage and modules on it
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-: PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom plugins. Decides that's not gonna work for his needs
PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom modules but that doesn't seem to be what he needs either. Unless they just conveniently forgot to mention you can use php code in them
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PenguinMan98: hey fabricius
maybe you can point me in the right direction
I want to take these side bar modules I custom coded, and put them on the wiki
http://screencast.com/t/u61M9VJvq67n
What is the best way to do that?
For the one, the data is coming out of the wiki just fine, I just need to style it
For the second, I need to pull the data from a custom database field.
table*
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PenguinMan98: I have no time now, i must leave the house. You might ask tonight, if you didn't find a solution by then ... a hint so far: check how the parameters look like in a default module - you could configure a dummy module from the list, give it some parameters in the given fields and check the sriting in the list of the applied modules
PenguinMan98: these parameters you can set for a custom module in this way: parameter1¶meter2¶meter3 etc.
PenguinMan98: ok, thank you
fabricius: PenguinMan98: for example: nobox=y&page=HomePage&class=anyname
PenguinMan98: Yes, but it's plugins that do the php work
I'm not sure how to interface the two
fabricius: PenguinMan98: you define a class in the css file of your theme and use this class as parameter for the module
once the plugin is in a module the class of the module apply
PenguinMan98: Yes, but I still need to do custom PHP to get info from my database
fabricius: there are plugins like the plugin {DIV()} which you can apply classes two
PenguinMan98: again, that's css. I need php
fabricius: there should be a Plugin {PHP()} or {SMARTY()}
you can put Smarty code into the custom module
PenguinMan98: smarty disables the {PHP} tags by default.
fabricius: or wikisyntax/wikiplugins, like this
Smarty bla bla {wiki}{literal}wikisyntax including wikiplugins here{/literal}{/wiki}smarty bla bla
inside the wiki literal tags you can use every wikiplugin, which maybe could do the job, so you can try to find a plugin if there is no module and you can combine several plugins and build up a module with it
you can rad about the [list} plugin or some mysql plugin ... I have no time to check now .. this is more advanced stuff and even experienced users have to think a while about how to get something like that togethter - so for now just some ideas to give you a direction
I am very busy outside virtual life theses days, will try to look up when you come back in the evening (European time) and might be better available next week -- interesting task you talk about
PenguinMan98: kk ty!
fabricius: so have fun with modules and plugins and tell me the status lateron, bye
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PenguinMan98: oh wtf is this?
This is the absolute most egregious fail of this entire software.
You've gone thorugh how many revisions and still haven't figured out how to do this?
I can't use categories to give my guys permissions to create new wiki pages
What the hell
This is core functionality
Now I have to go in as admin and set up every single page they need. That's a huge burden on me that I don't need rightnow
pengy-frustrated: gnite
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hey fabricius , thank you for this: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons"
only issue is, it didn't seem to work to change it. Also, how do I get to that page besides typing it in manually?
oh, that was counter intuitive. Turning the feature on, turned the edit icons off
-: PenguinMan98 files that away as silliness
PenguinMan98: Back to my huge core screwup problem
Why can I not use categories to give my editors permissions to create wiki pages?
I understand the technical problem is that when you create a new page by creating a link on a page, you don't know the category of the page that will be created so when the guy clicks on the ? it doesn't know what permissions to use
But it seems that this would be very easily solved by defaulting that new page to use the category and permissions of the page he is linking it from
How did you guys get around this?
Or did you not?
ricks99: PenguinMan98: when using the searc box or quick edit page module, you can specify category
can also use the "force category" option to require selection of a specific category (or select from a tree of categories) when creating pages
PenguinMan98: But force category only works when creating a new page from the wiki -> create new page interface
Which my users don't seem to have permission to see
ricks99: no. should work from any. When saving, user is told he must select category
PenguinMan98: So, user A edits page A and puts in a link ((B)). When he tries to save page A, he gets a popup? Or what?
ricks99: yes. will be told that "category must be selected"
PenguinMan98: That seems like it will work. I'd rather just default it to the category the page he's linking from. It would save hassle
ricks99: could b a nice enahancment
-: PenguinMan98 found on google last night that this conversation has been had since version 2. He wonders why nobody has done this already so many years later
ricks99: probably not that easy
what if the source page is in multiple categories
what if the editor has view perm for the category, but not add/remove objects (but still has perm to create wiki pages)
etc
lots of possible issues
-: ricks99 thinks *he* had this converstion since vers 2 ;)
PenguinMan98: the conversations I found were with marclaporte
ricks99: fwiw, this functionality exists in strutures already (iirc)
when addinga child page in a structure, you can tell it to inherit the cat
PenguinMan98: what's a structure?
ricks99: wiki structure: defined browse path with parent/child relationships
i.e.,: a set of hierarchical pages
PenguinMan98: How do you set one of those up?
ricks99: http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures
good starting point :)
PenguinMan98: Yeah, (and not to sound whiny but...) except that 9/10 pages on your site are for older versions of tiki and I have to spend an hour trying to figure out how to translate your info to my tiki.
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polom
ricks99: sorry... tiki moves too fast for me to keep up. i try to aim for LTS versions
but should be easy enuf to figure out
PenguinMan98: The feel I get is that the interface was pretty stable up to tiki 9 but for 10 they totally moved everything around
ricks99: polom marclaporte
y. Tiki 10 is not an LTS
will be end of life shortly
PenguinMan98: Well some of us always want the latest version on the assumption that it'll be the most feature rich and stable.
ricks99: if you want stability, use LTS
PenguinMan98: I just don't know if I can justify the downgrade to tiki 9 at this point
ricks99: you should review: http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle
eseically the "upgrade examples"
PenguinMan98: interesting
I'm not surprised there is no downgrade
ricks99: no not possible
PenguinMan98: I was expecting a downgrade to involve removing the tiki and starting over
ricks99: pretty much
PenguinMan98: Which is why I'm not willing to do that
Users are already actively using the site
ricks99: y. if site is already launched, to late to select LTS
PenguinMan98: Thankfully this site is just a hobby site and nothing professional
Already I'm stuck on step 2 of enabling structures because the where it was on tiki 9
because it's not* where it was
ricks99: ?
are you filtering your admin opitons?
PenguinMan98: advanced is on
http://screencast.com/t/N7qGaNtG
ricks99: structures is on the admin: wiki page
PenguinMan98: oh hang on,
yeah
Just noticed that
ricks99: ur on the wrong page
see step 1 on http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures
remember, u can always search for specifci options
PenguinMan98: that didn't help me find the option for toggling the section edit buttons
ricks99: odd.what version are you using? in my 9LTS, when isearch for "TOGGLE" it is the second option shown
PenguinMan98: I'm in 10.?
ricks99: oh. sorry
PenguinMan98: And of course it shows up when I do that today just to spite me
ricks99: lol
-: PenguinMan98 crumples up all his pride and throws it out the window
ricks99: sounds like a standard PICNIC error ;-)
PenguinMan98: ... never heard of that one before
ricks99: picnic = problem in chair; not in computer
PenguinMan98: Ah, we use PEBCAK
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. (I goofed the acronym)
So, how do you take existing pages and make them a structure?
ricks99: http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Adding+Pages+to+Structures
PenguinMan98: actually, I think this is more what I need: http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Creating+Structures
ricks99: o. thought u wanted to add an existing page to a structure
PenguinMan98: Well, I dont' have any yet. I just enabled them
ricks99: o, then y. you must create a structrure before adding antyhing to it
PenguinMan98: Do all the pages in a structure need to have the same category?
There are a few pages I'd like to protect
ricks99: no. they can have any category
or mulitple categories
but iirc, theres an option (when creating a child page within a structure) to inherit its parent categories
PenguinMan98: Yeah, I turned that on
ricks99: your in tiki 10 or trunk (11)?
PenguinMan98: 10
ricks99: be sure to check the existing bugs... make sure u dont hit any bumps
PenguinMan98: oh I tend to find them easy enough
lol
like making horizontal menus is borked
if you check the box for []CSS it reloads the page and does nothing
ricks99: check box for CSS?
PenguinMan98: http://screencast.com/t/7NUddFc5R
ricks99: o... didn't realize you completely switched gears.
in 10, i think the menu preview was 'experminatal'. YMMV
PenguinMan98: you said find bugs
ricks99: don't waste your time in 10
11 is about to b beta.
PenguinMan98: fine
ricks99: upon release, 10 is closed
PenguinMan98: yup
I'll happily upgrade
ricks99: off to find luch. bbl ttyl
PenguinMan98: kk. thanks for your time
ricks99: cya
PenguinMan98: blah. I created the structure but the navigation is borked. It doesn't go into the next page
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PenguinMan98: I think I shot myself in the foot by naming the structure the same as an existing page
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PenguinMan98: OK. I finally have the structure working
Only one little minor teensy weensy detail
My users STILL cannot create pages here!
*headkeyboard repeatedly*
arildb: PenguinMan98: Try to revoke the edit structure permission
PenguinMan98: from my public users?
err, my public category?
arildb: PenguinMan98: Is the structure linked to a category?
PenguinMan98: Yeah, public
Public is a category that everyone including anonymous users can view but only registered users with voice and wiki edit permissions can change
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ricks99|away: PenguinMan98: did u give them ability to edit the structure?
PenguinMan98: yes
ricks99|away: and the ability to add items to the category
PenguinMan98: ... no
ricks99|away: if you want them to be able to create a page that will be in a category, they need perm to add items to the category
-: PenguinMan98 did not know that...
ricks99|away: i think tiki_p_add_object and tiki_p_remove_object
PenguinMan98: Ok. So I'm looking at this and I'm thinking
ricks99|away: see docs for details http://doc.tiki.org/permissions
PenguinMan98: In my wiki, only users with wiki edit permission can add objects
but in my forums, registered users with voice can add forum posts
ricks99|away: edit != add
PenguinMan98: 'wiki edit' is the name of a group
ricks99|away: forms can be categorized -- but not specific posts
luciash: hi
ricks99|away: hiya luciash
luciash: there is also tiki_p_modify_category_objects
PenguinMan98: So, if I set my category permission to allow all registered users with voice to add items, this would allow ... wait no. THey can add forum posts already
luciash: hi ricks99|away who is not away
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ricks99|away: PenguinMan98: sorry, i'm now confused... thought u wanted to have users work on wiki pages in a category? forums are diffretn
PenguinMan98: The deal is, I'm not sure what the category permissions will all affect once set
I'm trying to be cognizant of how it will affect my forums / etc
ricks99|away: any object in the category
PenguinMan98: Here is my current permissions state for the public category: http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj
ricks99|away: perms are inhereted from group -> category -> object, and override object -> category -> group
PenguinMan98: But my wiki editor user is still not able to create pages
ricks99|away: first, check your prems for the group: "wiki editor"
ur screen shot is shwoing *GROUP* perms -- not categories
PenguinMan98: what? No. That's category
ricks99|away: http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj
those are groups
anon, reg, etc.
PenguinMan98: yes
ricks99|away: your screenshot http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj is showing GROUP perms -- not category
PenguinMan98: That whole page is the permissions for the public category.
Look at the url
objectType = category
ricks99|away: duh. my bad
PenguinMan98: The permissions for that group are empty
ricks99|away: ok. what are the perms for the actual category. they will override the group perms
i mean the group
*sigh*
PenguinMan98: <PenguinMan98> The permissions for that group are empty
ricks99|away: are you missing tiki_p_modify_object_categories? a requirment for p_add_object?
PenguinMan98: probably
where can I find that?
ricks99|away: belive it is in the Tiki section. you can use the search/filter
PenguinMan98: aha. It's the only thing there
Nope. Still can't add pages
ricks99|away: not sure then. if you want, feel free to pm me site info and i'll b happy to take a look
PenguinMan98: http://screencast.com/t/9DTUkk8jDoar
That's my permissions
ricks99|away: fwiw, normally i add all my perms at group level, then remove/filter by using cats. not by adding (as ur doing)
PenguinMan98: I think I'll need to shift how I think about the permissions before I can understand what you mean
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PenguinMan98: have some awesome music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRHx4cPgbE
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PenguinMan98: can anyone tell me what tiki_p_blog_post_view_ref does? It's not on the http://doc.tiki.org/Permissions+List
The text offered is: Can view in module and feed the blog posts
but what does that mean?
Also when editing the group permissions, why can you 'select groups' ?
Seems weird
What would it mean if you were editing the anonymous group and set the permission for the registered user?
ricks99|away: iirc, "select group" means the user can seledt the specific group from the grouplist (ie., when adding group field to tracker)
allows you to create droplist in forms that include/omit specific groups
PenguinMan98: .... can you give me an example?
ricks99|away: if you have a form (tracker) that has a GROUP field, this way you can assign items to specific groups (e.g., in a call center)
PenguinMan98: I think we're not talking about the same thing
I want to set the group permissions
ricks99|away: ok
PenguinMan98: there are two different buttons to do that: http://screencast.com/t/UMK0v2d3GG
The top button seems to go to global permissions. I'm not sure that's what I want
So I click on the key instead for the Anonymous group
ricks99|away: global = group perm
perms are being changed thru tiki 11. see dev site for deatils
PenguinMan98: So, those two links go to the same place even though there is a URL parameter if I use the key?
ricks99|away: detailed info (iirc) in the dev roamap
afaik
PenguinMan98: I see
ricks99|away: the key preloads the selected group
the "manage perm" button at top, starts generally
PenguinMan98: k
That's silliness and needless confusion imho.
ricks99|away: y. tiki 10 is not a "real' release.
PenguinMan98: It's real to me
ricks99|away: things get changed between LTS in pieces
real yes, but very limited lifecycle
PenguinMan98: It's what I've got and I've gotta use
ricks99|away: if you want toedit the perms for aspecific group, click the key icon
PenguinMan98: If you have the 'select groups' set, then it will stay set even if you click the key. The only change is if you didn't have the group already selected and click the key, it will add it to the groups selected
ricks99|away: y. the key slects the group
PenguinMan98: or if you had already selected the group, the key does nothing
ricks99|away: y. the key is a hold over from prior verisons that did not allow u to work on multiple group perms at once
it is the "old" way
check the dev site for fulld etails and explanation and roadmap
PenguinMan98: I see
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hello people
PenguinMan98: hey astroo
My clicky finger is soooooo tired now
but I've completely redone my permissions system from the ground up
astroo-: hello
luciash: PenguinMan98: congrats
PenguinMan98: Ricks99 helped me see that I'd basically set up a whitelisting style permissions system where only certain things were allowed
Instead of how it was intended to be used as a blacklist style only restrict what you need to restrict
luciash: PenguinMan98: yes, whitelisting is better approach if you plan mostly restrictive system, blacklisting is better if you plan open collaborative system and want to restrict only few parts of your site
PenguinMan98: My staff are all super excited now that everything works as intended
I was beginning to freak out I had this great wiki and nobody was using it
It was that they couldn't
fixed now
Now, I return to the issue of a customized module appearance / css