#tikiwiki 2013-07-14,Sun

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fabricius	polom	[00:53]
refizul	polom & hello fabricius	[00:54]
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fabricius	anything going on?	[01:39]
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refizul	it's running - yeah.	[02:33]
fabricius	cool refizul: congratulations mail or the Tiki or all 3? ahh mail was Penguin so the Tiki	[02:34]
refizul	and just in time - tomorrow is an important day for the project	[02:34]
fabricius	ah	[02:35]
refizul	Tiki connected to a mailinglist	[02:35]
fabricius	customer or association? ah yes good are you familiar with git?	[02:35]
refizul	atm association, but maybe a customer later, if they can afford employees	[02:35]
fabricius	PenguinMan98 did explain me some of it yesterday I did setup the Codiad editor and besides 4 demo and 1 training Tiki 15 coding Tikis	[02:36]
refizul	I don't now the details, because I almost don't use it, but basically it's svn with branching and decentralisation	[02:36]
fabricius	now I am thinking to try to connect the editor to Git ... there is an Admin panel and I think it is possible on a per user base	[02:37]
refizul	now: party!	[02:37]
fabricius	you go out?	[02:37]
refizul	no, too late now for that	[02:38]
fabricius	are you interested to have a look at the editor? I needed some review, if that is a useful tool for Tiki coders - at least for training sessions - I am not a coder and thus my personal expertise on this is limited	[02:38]
refizul	I've been working >10 hours and this is not much compared to the days before	[02:39]
fabricius	no need to work ... just an offer to view if you'd be interested. you can at any time	[02:40]
refizul	I'm not capable of deep thinking, looking, or straight walking anymore	[02:40]
fabricius	no problem - yesterday night I was faling from the chair as well (literally in the german meaning ;-) ) falling	[02:41]
refizul	unfortunately there is no champaign around	[02:41]
fabricius	you know: falling down the chair from tiredness gg I could lookup the internet how to wrote one in chat ... but still would stay virtual I guess you need physical champaign ??	[02:41]
refizul	or champagne	[02:42]
fabricius	btw, I could go to the balcony and get my last fag .. arrg already did an hour ago ahh gosh yes champagne .. I did not get it	[02:43]
refizul	however, still some beer	[02:43]
fabricius	so cheers then hope it is cold	[02:43]
refizul	no	[02:43]
fabricius	arrrgs	[02:43]
refizul	worked too long	[02:43]
fabricius	warm plastic bottle from Aldi? would not be a fest I think	[02:44]
refizul	glass bottle	[02:44]
fabricius	at least	[02:44]
refizul	I'm not satisfied with this installation, but at least it seems to work	[02:45]
fabricius	whats the problem? structure?	[02:45]
refizul	it's a Tiki9	[02:45]
fabricius	LTS can eb upgraded lateron /s/eb/be	[02:45]
refizul	I wanted Tiki11 and then Tiki12 LTS, but there is too much trouble yet	[02:46]
PenguinMan98	GIT is a LOT different from SVN	[02:47]
refizul	forum mailout does not work in Tiki11, Zend problem and forum/mailinglist merge is the main reason for that Tiki	[02:47]
PenguinMan98	GIT was not built for repository control. It just turns out that's everyone's favorite use for it	[02:47]
fabricius	hehe	[02:48]
refizul	as HTML was not developed for email, but...	[02:48]
fabricius	often things get popular for things they haven't been intentionally developped	[02:48]
refizul	that's called hacking	[02:49]
PenguinMan98	Creative utilization	[02:49]
refizul	hacking as in making hot soup with a coffee machine	[02:49]
PenguinMan98	I used to do that all the time, only it was cup-o-noodles	[02:53]
fabricius	YEAHHH I made with similar than cup noodles alright PenguinMan98: I would like to get one test positively running with Git - lets say setting up the Giut master repo for developer 15 and maybe then a push pull thingi with a Git account ... I think to setup one on github	[02:56]
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PenguinMan98	ok First off, git is the repo, master is just a branch.	[03:23]
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fabricius	aaaaargh	[03:24]
PenguinMan98	heh	[03:24]
fabricius	I wil neeeeeeever get it	[03:24]
PenguinMan98	Naw, it's really simple Treating master like just any other branch is beautiful and simple	[03:24]
fabricius	I do not clearly get the words .. the meanings humm I will ask you some question in a few minutes ...	[03:26]
PenguinMan98	OK. Git manages the repository for you and gives you a default branch to work with called 'master'	[03:26]
fabricius	must finish s.th. quickly	[03:26]
PenguinMan98	You can make as many other branches as you like and jump from branch to branch as you please. Any code changes that you make are made outside of any git branches. Thus, if you make a change and then switch branches, the change goes with you. It's not until you commit the change to a branch that it's fixed there and when you change branches then, it stays in the branch you want it in.	[03:27]
fabricius	let me finish first and the I concntrate on the git, OK? only minutes	[03:29]
PenguinMan98	no sweat	[03:29]
fabricius	so finish rehi you know the setup of the wiki4.me server? account root -> codiad / info.wiki4.me / some more directories and no domain on it I recon, it would make sense to create a directory "git" on that level and into that create the directories for the git master(s) am I right PenguinMan98 ? how can I check, if Git is installed on the server? my idea is, that anybody, who has ssh access to that server can push/pull with git (only trusted developers, or temporary for trainees) am I on the right track, gitwise?	[03:42]
PenguinMan98	try opening command line and typing 'git' and see what it says And yes, the newbies are going to be committing most likely but not much else Maybe pull if you want them to pull changes from a central repo Since each instance is individual, I wouldn't recommend having them push	[03:51]
fabricius	one question will be, how to "clean" the developer spaces, once they are finished ... with not much timeconsuming workflow latest shortly before a new lesson Since each instance is individual, I wouldn't recommend having them pushan with: "Since each instance is individual, I wouldn't recommend having them push"? btw PenguinMan98 - tyoping git in the terminal brings back a lot of commands and explanations ... Git is installed on the server next step?	[03:53]
PenguinMan98	OK Go to the development code folder for one of the 15 tikis And as for reverting? It's ridiculously simple. I'll show you in a minute	[04:00]
fabricius	I go there in the terminal? ok, I am in dev15	[04:04]
PenguinMan98	OK. Git init	[04:05]
fabricius	.git/	[04:05]
PenguinMan98	great! now you can use: git add _____ to add files to the repo or: git add -A	[04:05]
fabricius	where is the repo?	[04:06]
PenguinMan98	to add them all There isn't one yet, but it will be stored in the .git folder	[04:06]
fabricius	where is the .git folder? this .git/ what came back? it is actually IN the codebase of dev15?	[04:07]
PenguinMan98	It sits in the folder with the code, yes	[04:07]
fabricius	ahhh	[04:08]
PenguinMan98	but git should auto-exclude it	[04:08]
fabricius	we need to develop a workflow and document this ok, go on pls	[04:08]
PenguinMan98	once you've added all the files to the repo, (use 'git status' to double check) , then you use git commit to commit it. There are two variations.	[04:09]
fabricius	so I use git add -A? running	[04:09]
PenguinMan98	For a first time, yes. We can talk about excluding files later the only file you really want to exclude is db/local.php	[04:10]
fabricius	it is a fresh install anyway and no customised files in it .. assuming you did not start to code or alter yesterday	[04:10]
PenguinMan98	but if you aren't pushing the repo to a public place, there is nothing wrong with leaving it in	[04:10]
fabricius	ah yeah local.phop MUST be excluded, but I can even take it back out later, isn.t it? ahh and I have several .SVN files in it aswell and .htaccess	[04:11]
PenguinMan98	yes. We can take it out later if you feel it's important	[04:12]
fabricius	best would be to exclude all directories starting with a "." plus local.php for now it is just a test anyway in case we would crash dev15, we could delete the content of ahhhh of dev15/Tiki12 ... already fu**** it up	[04:12]
PenguinMan98	k. once you've added the files with git add -A or however you do it, then either 'git commit' which will take you to a screen showing your changes and prompt you with a VI interface to enter a commit message, or 'Git commit -m "Some commit message"	[04:13]
fabricius	one directory too high	[04:13]
PenguinMan98	ok.	[04:14]
fabricius	we should delete the whole .git/ and move one level deeper and do it again	[04:14]
PenguinMan98	This is very easy to undo. Yes. Delete the .git/ and that's it.	[04:14]
fabricius	ok there is no .git inside ???? the terminal must recognise .files by default, isn't it? strange I try again	[04:14]
PenguinMan98	try cd .git see if it works you might need to sudo to delete it	[04:16]
fabricius	nope .. just had to ls -a instead of ls it is there	[04:18]
PenguinMan98	kk I almost always use ls -lah	[04:18]
fabricius	-lah? means? ah .. have it huge amounts of info ;-)	[04:21]
PenguinMan98	looovely info	[04:23]
fabricius	what is h? -l clear -a clear, but -h? PenguinMan98: no Tiki inside .git	[04:24]
PenguinMan98	There shouldn't be. We didn't commit	[04:27]
fabricius	after git add -A	[04:27]
PenguinMan98	commit	[04:28]
fabricius	how?	[04:28]
PenguinMan98	git commit	[04:28]
fabricius	dumb wuestion dumb question	[04:28]
PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 pat pats	[04:28]
fabricius	hehe	[04:28]
PenguinMan98	^^	[04:28]
fabricius	works fabricius thinks about he will ever understand this fabricius thinks if and how and when fabricius but is delghted by the guidance of PenguinMan98 fabricius even forgot the basic grammar, as he is sooo concentrated on this in the early morning ... even forgot he is tired and should sleep before breakfast	[04:31]
PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 is glad to be able to give back a little	[04:36]
fabricius	that's the reason most of us start to get committed to the community family like PenguinMan98: why my terminal stays in the git commit mode now?	[04:37]
PenguinMan98	save it	[04:39]
fabricius	not coming back to shell mode	[04:39]
PenguinMan98	:q	[04:39]
fabricius	ah save ah	[04:39]
PenguinMan98	or exc + zz	[04:39]
fabricius	not working	[04:41]
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	thx .. vi ... escape (esc) + ZZ => save thx PenguinMan98 for expl. in query (just if s.b. reads the log one day) so what I do with the repo now?	[04:56]
PenguinMan98	ok now that you've committed, type git log it should show you the last few commits. In this case, only one The name of a commit is a long-ass hexidecimal string	[04:57]
fabricius	commit author date next?	[04:58]
PenguinMan98	Thankfully, it's random enough after 6+ characters that GIT can usually get the right one so most people reference commits by just the first 6 characters of the name. write them down now. Make sure you know what the initial commit name is Then, whenever you need to change the repository back to this initial state, all you have to do is type: 'Git checkout __commit_name__' And now you know how to revert	[04:59]
fabricius	what is the initial commit name?	[05:00]
PenguinMan98	a long-ass hexidecimal string	[05:00]
fabricius	ahhhhh dumb question again lol	[05:00]
PenguinMan98	You only need the first six characters	[05:00]
fabricius	shure?	[05:00]
PenguinMan98	it's cool	[05:00]
fabricius	sure?	[05:00]
PenguinMan98	yes <PenguinMan98> Thankfully, it's random enough after 6+ characters that GIT can usually get the right one so most people reference commits by just the first 6 characters of the name.	[05:00]
fabricius	you said "most people" and "Git can usually get the right one" so most and usually enough gg	[05:01]
PenguinMan98	use 8 characters then PenguinMan98 shrugs	[05:02]
fabricius	hehe ok understand ... I can use all, but after 6 it gets very very unlikely to go wrong	[05:03]
PenguinMan98	yep	[05:04]
fabricius	and if, then repeat and then use more ??	[05:04]
PenguinMan98	yes	[05:04]
fabricius	ok got it	[05:04]
PenguinMan98	they can make a billion commits to the repository it makes no difference. git checkout __hex__ restores it to its initial state You can do this with any commit too So if you want to upgrade the tikis, you revert them to the initial configuration, then upgrade them and commit. Then take note of the new commit name Then revert back to that one instead use git log to see the commit history	[05:04]
fabricius	hummm I start to understand does it delete new files swell? and what is with the content of dev15/Tiki12 .. I mean the SVN Tiki installation ... is that chenged aswell? I mean, we code in dev15/Tiki12 and not in dev15/Tiki12/.git understand what I mean? /s/chenged/changed is it one way or two ways?? still not understood? I think, I am nearly there .. brain still tries to stay in reluctance mode, but cannot keep the counter pressure .. I'd say I am shortly before understanding hummm is it, that the actual code is not stored in .git? just kind of necessary metainformation and stuff like that .. encrypted pieces .. ?? and from here - can I commit from here to another directory on a server and finaly to sourceforge?	[05:07]
PenguinMan98	Yes, if you add new files, the git checkout will remove them And yes, it can go two ways. If you remember the most recent commit name, you can go back to it with git checkout too Git starts by making a copy of everything you currently have. Then, every time you make a change, it stores only the changes. the 'deltas' is what they say When you go forward or backward, it just applies or removes these deltas (changes) to go from one state to the next	[05:25]
fabricius	aha seem to undestand it if I wanted to commit to sf ... not from the testing environment here, but in general ... how to do that? lets say I would use codiad on my local machine or on my personal server account	[05:36]
PenguinMan98	commit to 'sf' ?	[05:39]
fabricius	I assume, I simply must commit from Tiki12 and exclude local.php and .git to sourceforge	[05:39]
PenguinMan98	oh Yes. first things first, remove local.php git rm --cached db/local.php That command should clear out the file and any cached copy of it for the history of the repo. adjust the path as needed of course then commit the change	[05:39]
fabricius	adjust the path? arrrgl ... wouldn't local.php be deleted in Tiki12 aswell? no good, cause then no database and not connected to subdomain anymore	[05:41]
PenguinMan98	No. Only in the repo you run the command in.	[05:42]
fabricius	I meant dev15/Tiki12 I did set up things, that this is connected to a database and thus accessable via subdomain as running site to check whats the result of changes no local.php in dev15/Tiki12 -> no database -> no running website	[05:42]
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fabricius	afaik in SVN you commit single files mainly ... so no problem with local.php in the repo - from that point	[05:48]
PenguinMan98	And no, that command will only delete git's copy not the actual file If you want git to ignore that file from now on, you go to the directory the file is in and create a new file named .gitignore Inside the .gitignore file, you add the line local.php/ save it Then add the .gitignore to the repository and commit it	[05:49]
fabricius	ahhhh nice!!!	[05:56]
PenguinMan98	yep! Add more files to the .gitignore file by appending them to the first line. Don't use newlines.	[05:56]
fabricius	all in one line	[05:57]
PenguinMan98	(( Truthfully, I'm not sure if newlines are fine or not. I've just only ever seen it all on one line. Here's my .gitignore http://screencast.com/t/tRG3yOE43	[05:57]
fabricius	hummm will I have to add local.php or db/local.php into the file .gitignore?	[06:03]
PenguinMan98	put the .gitignore in the /db directory and just add local.php http://screencast.com/t/YehvSsoZ I tend to ignore the .gitignores. I've been told this is a bad idea	[06:04]
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fabricius	errrr PenguinMan98: what is a bad idea? r u joking?	[06:15]
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PenguinMan98	Nope. If you ignore the .gitignore file too, then everyone who pulls your code has to ignore the file too After you give them a copy that doesn't have your passwords in it	[06:21]
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fabricius	do not understand now ahh the others gits ignore them by default, if you ignore your ignore?	[06:33]
PenguinMan98	no. you have to commit your .gitignore to the repository otherwise the people who pull your repository will have to create their own It's more a nuisance than anything	[06:36]
fabricius	ah I have now a file .gitignor in Tiki12/db sry .gitignore content: local.php/.svn/.gitignore humm is ther a difference to be made between files and folders? .svn is a folder	[06:39]
PenguinMan98	I dont think that's an issue It should ignore the whole folder I say should, but I've had issues with it in the past When new files are added inside the directory, Git likes to try and add them to the repository anyway It's something I haven't quite figured out yet	[06:41]
fabricius	ok I thank you very much it is nearly 7 now ... verrry tired	[06:43]
PenguinMan98	no sweat	[06:44]
fabricius	I have to slep fast and deep now ... I appreciate all your help thank you a lot I hope we will use that in the one or the other way, anyway I learned a lot I say good bye now	[06:44]
PenguinMan98	ok! Good night!	[06:46]
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	tikiwiki 03ccardinal r46674 10trunk/lang/fr/language.php tikiwiki French translation added	[21:52]
	tikiwiki 03lindonb r46675 10trunk/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl tikiwiki Notice	[22:00]
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	tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46676 10branches/11.x/templates/comment/list.tpl tikiwiki [FIX] Backport r46672 Display comment form by default broken	[22:38]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03syracine r46677 10trunk/lib/logs/logslib.php tikiwiki [FIX] Bug 4509 - Fix troncate of comment in Action Log when multi-bytes caracteres are used	[23:40]
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