[00:11] luciash preference separator ? that is completely different topic - only visual separator if you mean the same thing [00:14] leagris lib/prefs/user.php line 196 'separator' => ',', [00:17] leagris no matter what, it uses a preg_split on user_trackersync_trackers preference to get an array of int from a comma separated string option :) [00:25] leagris commit done and enough coding today :) [00:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03leagris r46886 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php [00:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn introduced bug where empty tiki_cdn was not handled properly and caused Error: directory '' not allowed by security setting [00:44] SkiNut joined #tikiwiki [01:14] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Should WYSIWYG be tagged as basic, advanced or experimental? was [Tikiwiki-cvs/svn] SF.net SVN: tikiwiki:[46878] trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48313 [01:46] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [01:47] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [02:10] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [02:11] rodrigoprimo1 joined #tikiwiki [02:33] marclaporte panamaus: thanks! [03:23] goj_killedByISP joined #tikiwiki [03:25] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [04:56] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [05:21] marclaporte Anzhe: hi [05:22] Anzhe :marclaporte, hello! [05:42] Anzhe :marclaporte, have you heard anything from Olaf regarding that localization email I sent on the 22nd? [05:44] GillesM joined #tikiwiki [05:45] marclaporte That is what I was gonna ask you :-) [05:46] marclaporte Olaf must be travelling :-) [05:46] Anzhe :-) I've heard nothing [05:47] Anzhe btw, do you know of anyone "on the team" who will be attending Wikimania 2013? [05:53] marclaporte Régis Barondeau [05:53] marclaporte you are going? [05:53] Anzhe yeah I'll be there [05:53] marclaporte awesome! [05:53] Anzhe it's pretty hard to believe [05:54] Anzhe it basically went like this [05:54] Anzhe 1. On 2013-08-01 my company will launch our new International Market Research Division [05:54] Anzhe 2. the centerpiece of this division is TikiWiki11, we are going to collect and organize all of our data on TW [05:54] marclaporte I am skipping this year, but make sure to meet http://www.regisbarondeau.com/ ? [05:55] Anzhe 3. while browsing the TW site I noticed the upcoming events, and that WM was in HK this year [05:55] Anzhe 4. I'm in China, so HK is a hop-skip away [05:55] Anzhe 5. I applied to the powers-that-be for funding to go to the conference with the goal of optimizing our TW implementation plan [05:55] marclaporte This is awesome timing :-) [05:55] Anzhe 6. they agreed, to my amazement [05:56] Anzhe we've never done anything like a knowledge base before, and lots of people think I'm crazy, so to get this conference bankrolled was a real coup [05:56] Anzhe anyway, hopefully I can meet some people who know TW while I'm there, because it's new for all of us [05:56] marclaporte Yes, there will be some users [05:56] Anzhe I have basic MediaWiki experience but editing existing articles here and there is a far cry from building a goliath market research knowledge base [05:56] marclaporte But Régis is the one with most experience I would think [05:57] marclaporte And Tiki is a different animal than MediaWiki :-) [05:57] marclaporte So the thing to figure out soon is the power of trackers [05:58] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [05:58] Anzhe I'm very excited about the trackers and the MindMap [05:58] Anzhe the former should help us manage the workload, the latter is perfect for impressing low-tech bosses ;-) [06:02] marclaporte :-) [06:03] marclaporte We have plenty of ambition to go beyond MindMaps: http://dev.tiki.org/Visualization [06:08] Anzhe :@marclaporte, lovely, now roll it out ASAP! ;-) [06:11] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [06:11] marclaporte :-) [06:22] chibaguy joined #tikiwiki [08:31] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [10:04] Jyhem_laptop joined #tikiwiki [10:07] fabricius joined #tikiwiki [10:30] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [10:59] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [11:10] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [11:26] Telesight joined #tikiwiki [11:37] chibaguy joined #tikiwiki [11:54] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [12:08] Anzhe joined #tikiwiki [12:56] aalex_ joined #tikiwiki [13:30] goj_killedByISP joined #tikiwiki [13:51] fabricius1 joined #tikiwiki [14:00] leagris joined #tikiwiki [15:21] leagris joined #tikiwiki [15:22] leagris Hello [15:22] leagris Someone bugged memcache in trunk? [15:24] leagris Call to a member function get() on a non-object in lib/cache/memcachelib.php on line 117 [15:28] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [15:45] Jyhem_ Hello leagris: memcache is not just broken in trunk. It's kind of an abandoned feature [15:47] Jyhem_ I looked it up in Tiki9 in april and my notes say: fonctionnalité en déshérence (currently unworking/uncared for) :-( [15:48] jonnyb hi Jyhem_ and leagris [15:49] jonnyb memcache is working, i'm using it in a couple of tiki 11 sites [15:49] Jyhem_ Summary: Tiki ignores package php5-memcached and package php5-memcache ends up in White Screen of Death [15:49] jonnyb but it can blow up badly if you don't set it up right (lphuberdeau magic :) ) - i started fixing it but it wasn't easy and so just added some notes somewhere it think [15:50] Jyhem_ jonnyb: I wish I knew that in april, you were in the same building when it failed me on Tiki9 :-) [15:50] jonnyb you must have valid entries in your memcache_servers pref, or WSoD [15:51] Jyhem_ So, not something that iproved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ? [15:52] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [15:52] * Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :) [15:52] Jyhem_ reposting : So, not something that improved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ? [15:52] * Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :) [15:53] jonnyb trouble is, the caching is done so low in the system that safely reporting problems (like the caching isn't working) is v tricky - catch 22 sort of thing [15:53] jonnyb i fixed a couple of things for 11, but didn't manage to defeat the setup issue [15:54] * jonnyb just jumps into the debugger when confronted with a WSoD [15:54] Jyhem_ Well, at least xCache is working fine. [15:54] jonnyb :) [15:56] Jyhem_ I look up the error log. But really, I did not put effort in memcache, since i had no detailed understanding of what it achieved when running, and i was more passing through all the performance panels one after the other [15:57] jonnyb from my experience on two servers with it, i think you get a noticeable speed improvement out of cached pages - "feels like" about 10% or 20% maybe [15:57] Jyhem_ Also, I have that feeling next time I want to improve performances, i would have better results looking up nginx (everybody else seems to anyway) [15:57] jonnyb no idea what happens under heavy load but i'd guess it all helps [15:57] jonnyb yes, must try nginx and the others one day [15:58] Jyhem_ Any help is good, except the help which presents a WSOD to the customer :-) [15:59] * Jyhem_ goes for a cold shower and out. It's too hot here :-( [15:59] jonnyb :) [16:02] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46887 10branches/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs) [16:02] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46876 to 46886 [16:24] aalex_ joined #tikiwiki [16:36] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Performance admin panel tabs - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48318 [17:06] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46888 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/core/Services/AutoSave/Controller.php [17:06] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] autosave: Add and deploy checkReferrer routine and some phpdocs [17:32] leagris joined #tikiwiki [17:32] leagris back [17:34] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46889 10branches/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs) [17:34] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Convert autosave.php into a proper "lib" (finally) [17:34] aalex_ joined #tikiwiki [17:35] leagris well ok the WSOD I know how to go out of it by editing the tiki_preference table. Not sure regular users will know how to go out of this [17:38] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03lindonb r46890 10trunk/lib/core/Table/Code/ 10(5 files) [17:38] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REF] tablesorter: use simpler method of adding classes for setting sort or filter to false and other minor cleanup [17:40] lindonb joined #tikiwiki [17:41] jonnyb hey lindonb - having a refactoring saturday too? :) [17:42] lindonb yes, exactly! [17:43] leagris I don't know if it is my Firefox setup/extension but the onload performance is terrible [17:43] leagris though it is fine with Chrome [17:44] leagris 167ms requests+http and 1.36s onload [17:46] jonnyb hi leagris - firefox is notoriously slow but mines fine here at the moment (the messed up the debugger in safari which i was using before) [17:46] jonnyb i did find that using the js can was really slowing it down a lot in some circumstances - try switching that off? [17:51] leagris what do you mean by "using the js"? [17:51] leagris debugger? [17:51] jonnyb sorry (autocorrect) i meant "js cdn" [17:54] leagris was disabled [17:55] leagris Well, from Firebug profiler 33% time spent was from Thumbnails_capture() (browser internal) hahaha [17:55] jonnyb :D [17:55] jonnyb don't worry, it should get an update in a few hours, hasn't been one for day! [17:56] jonnyb s [17:58] lindonb joined #tikiwiki [18:07] leagris doing tests on multiple CDN. 3 is where I get the most perceived performance gain [18:08] jonnyb leagris: i had a little look too but don't know how to set it up properly - i did find i was still getting "empty" ##i entries in the trusted urls array [18:09] leagris junnyb did a new commit to fix this last night [18:09] jonnyb did you have a look at the memcache_servers serialise functions? That would be the cleanest way to do it and you'd get a clean array everywhere [18:09] jonnyb yes, this was today [18:10] jonnyb if there's a line end after the last url it counts as a new empty cdn... [18:10] leagris ah yes [18:10] jonnyb the test for empty is on the whole pref, not the split elements [18:10] jonnyb hope you don't mind me mentioning it :) (just trying to help) [18:12] leagris your are of good help [18:21] leagris mmm preg_split on \s+ help remove middle empty entries, but not last entry ;D [18:23] leagris well trim will do [18:27] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [18:30] jonnyb leagris: try array_filter($array) [18:30] jonnyb hi marclaporte [18:34] fabricius1 polom [18:34] jonnyb hi fabricius1 [18:34] jonnyb nice1 ;) [19:06] fabricius1 :-) [19:06] fabricius1 oh [19:06] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [19:18] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [19:36] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [19:45] leagris I am on input proofing tiki_cdn entries, soon an update :) [19:55] jonnyb :) [20:01] fabricius does anybody has the WikiSyntax for "unbreakable space" off hand? tiki.org loads ages. [20:01] fabricius actually doc.tiki.org loads ages [20:02] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03leagris r46891 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php [20:02] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn sanitize cdn preference entries before use + refactoring [20:11] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [20:11] jonnyb hi fabricius - didn't know we had one for that [20:17] leagris fabricus whouldn't entering it being enough? non-breaking-space , non-breaking-short-space (used it in French typography before composite punctuations like : ; ? …) [20:22] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [20:22] lindonb ~hs~ is the wiki syntax for non breaking space [20:23] lindonb doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Syntax+Text [20:24] leagris Not sure a syntax exist for this one: U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE [20:25] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [20:26] lindonb leagris: you're probably right, not familiar with that one [20:28] leagris En français, Il faut un espace court insécable pour séparer les ponctuations composées du texte : « : », « ; », « ? », « … » et les guillemets. [20:30] leagris In french, composite punctuations have to be spaced from words, by a short non breaking space. Though a normal size non breaking space is accepted where a short non breaking is not supported. [20:32] lindonb ah, I see [20:34] fabricius lindonb: thx, I was looking for ~hs~ [20:34] leagris Well it si pedantic typography from Imprimerie Nationale. Quebec and other French locale countries don't add any space at all to double punctuations (as in English) ;) [20:36] leagris Be sure the LaTeX tools are pedantic enough to follow this rule ;P [20:36] marclaporte1 joined #tikiwiki [20:37] fabricius leagris: in german we put the punctuation directly at the last character of a sentence, or of a phrase, etc. and then leave a space after the punctuation: <- this way, <-that way! <- or this way? ... ;-) [20:40] fabricius leagris: no, very shure, we do not have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space ... maybe we should ask Robert Plummer to get one into the parser? [20:57] Jyhem_ Hi, I'm pretty sure we don't have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space [21:00] Jyhem_ 3-4 years ago, after we switched to UTF8, I did some study on browser support of things like non-breaking spaces, half and quarter spaces, half and quarter non breaking spaces, as entered directly in utf-8. The result was: only non-breaking space (   ) was consistently supported ( at the time) :-( [21:02] Jyhem_ No point putting a correct U+202F if it is going to be displayed as a ugly "unknown char" square on 30% of browsers. [21:03] Jyhem_ This is why there is that text on top of tikiwiki/tikiwiki/trunk/lang/fr/language.php [21:03] Jyhem_ We use only normal-width non breaking spaces, so far. [21:05] Jyhem_ But things may have improved and if anyone feels like looking up support for these things on current browsers (and probably also mail user agents), feel free :-) [21:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46892 10branches/ 10(9 files in 8 dirs) [21:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Move and tidy edit ajax functions into a new service "Edit" - preview and much cleanup still to do [21:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Clean cke attributes & classes from html returned to server [21:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] Generally nicer :) [21:16] jonnyb ok, food time now - more later (tomorrow probably) [21:16] marclaporte1 jonnyb: why is there still experimental branch? [21:17] jonnyb i'm making fairly huge refactorings, moving everything into modern services etc (so am like to break something at some point) [21:18] marclaporte1 ok [21:18] jonnyb it's more comfortable making a mess here (i have two sites on cron-synced trunk currently ;) ) [21:18] marclaporte1 It's really nice to see the WYSIWYG energy! [21:19] jonnyb will merge it all back soon and kill that one - phase 1 already got merged - you played with it? [21:19] jonnyb inline editing [21:23] marclaporte1 testing here: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum [21:25] marclaporte1 got some false positives: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum&history_offset=1&diff_style=htmldiff&diff_style=htmldiff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=1&paginate=on&history_pagesize=25 [21:26] jonnyb that sounds like what i've been fixing this afternoon [21:27] marclaporte1 doing svn up now [21:27] jonnyb yes, it was saving all the ckeditor rubbish in the page [21:27] jonnyb is on experimental branch? [21:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46893 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js [21:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] inline: rogue function call [21:28] marclaporte1 no, trunk [21:29] jonnyb i'd prefer someone to have a play before i merge this, i also have to tidy up lots more, at least another day (arildb will hopefully do that soon) [21:30] jonnyb shouldn't be too painful to sw to branches/experimental/ckeditor4 [21:30] jonnyb ? ;) [21:33] marclaporte1 will do [21:33] marclaporte1 By the way, http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php with MySQL is working well! [21:33] marclaporte1 It's fast [21:34] jonnyb yes, seems ok doesn't it [21:35] marclaporte1 LP wrote something about limitation of MySQL size [21:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46894 10trunk/lib/ 10wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_activitystream.php 10core/Search/MySql/Table.php 10core/Search/MySql/Index.php 10search/searchlib-unified.php [21:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] Performance improvement on mysql full text search indexing by buffering data, some improved error handling [21:36] * Jyhem_ is lost. Which kind of search is http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php ? [21:37] jonnyb Jyhem_: tiki-searchindex.php is unified search [21:38] marclaporte1 https://dev.tiki.org/Unified+Search+with+MySQL+Full+Text+Search#tiki-admin.php_page_search_amp_rebuild_now_amp_loggit [21:38] Jyhem_ jonnyb: thanks. so traditional mysql full-text search is tiki-searchresults.php got it [21:39] jonnyb yup [21:40] Jyhem_ And Tiki 12 is the one where we can compare both on speed and relialability before downgrading tiki-searchresults.php. Good [21:41] jonnyb i think that's safest - there is some talk about trying to remove it for 12 [21:43] marclaporte1 lphuberdeau: nextdev.tiki.org seems able to complete now. The error "Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 65535. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs " [21:43] Jyhem_laptop No no no ! I have some sites with custom modifications of tiki-searchresults.php Why the hell remove things that work ? [21:45] marclaporte1 demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/ and http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk/ are now running the experimental branch [21:50] jonnyb thanks marclaporte1 (gone?) [21:52] jonnyb http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk not looking right, but i have to take a break, more later... [21:53] mlaporte joined #tikiwiki [21:53] mlaporte polom [22:01] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [22:10] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03lindonb r46895 10trunk/lib/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs) [22:10] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] tablesorter: add parameter so that plugins can add row groupings and set the data type for sorting and other minor cleanup [22:11] marclaporte lphuberdeau: http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php is very fast with MySQL. Any idea why we are no longer hitting Row size too large.? [22:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46896 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js [22:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] inline: leave out empty params (parser artifacts - needs fixing in parser) [22:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46897 10branches/ 10(17 files in 10 dirs) [22:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46886 to 46895 [22:26] marclaporte I am happy, but wondering because we didn't change the number of field on dev.tiki.org (AFAIK) [22:38] fabricius is there somebody else working on bootstrap at the moment? I mean actually trying T-BS3 in Tiki? [22:40] fabricius I am working with that on a Tiki pre12 to get a closer understandng of all the related concepts and to find out issues, problems, directions early [22:41] fabricius thus I did setup a little fresh Tiki which I use for testwise concept of proof development, documentation of the steps etc. [22:41] fabricius bilingual (german and english) ... translating now and then I post the link here [22:42] fabricius I would like to get some feedback and maybe stick together with people who are on the same or a similar path [22:42] * fabricius goes out for a few minutes [22:42] fabricius brb [22:47] marclaporte1 joined #tikiwiki [23:15] fabricius palim palim