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luciash | preference separator ? that is completely different topic - only visual separator if you mean the same thing | [00:11] |
leagris | lib/prefs/user.php line 196 'separator' => ',',
no matter what, it uses a preg_split on user_trackersync_trackers preference to get an array of int from a comma separated string option :) | [00:14] |
commit done and enough coding today :) | [00:25] | |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03leagris r46886 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php
tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn introduced bug where empty tiki_cdn was not handled properly and caused Error: directory '' not allowed by security setting | [00:26] |
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Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Should WYSIWYG be tagged as basic, advanced or experimental? was [Tikiwiki-cvs/svn] SF.net SVN: tikiwiki:[46878] trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48313 | [01:14] |
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marclaporte | panamaus: thanks! | [02:33] |
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marclaporte | Anzhe: hi | [05:21] |
Anzhe | :marclaporte, hello! | [05:22] |
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:marclaporte, have you heard anything from Olaf regarding that localization email I sent on the 22nd? | [05:42] | |
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marclaporte | That is what I was gonna ask you :-)
Olaf must be travelling :-) | [05:45] |
Anzhe | :-) I've heard nothing
btw, do you know of anyone "on the team" who will be attending Wikimania 2013? | [05:46] |
marclaporte | Régis Barondeau
you are going? | [05:53] |
Anzhe | yeah I'll be there | [05:53] |
marclaporte | awesome! | [05:53] |
Anzhe | it's pretty hard to believe
it basically went like this 1. On 2013-08-01 my company will launch our new International Market Research Division 2. the centerpiece of this division is TikiWiki11, we are going to collect and organize all of our data on TW | [05:53] |
marclaporte | I am skipping this year, but make sure to meet http://www.regisbarondeau.com/ ? | [05:54] |
Anzhe | 3. while browsing the TW site I noticed the upcoming events, and that WM was in HK this year
4. I'm in China, so HK is a hop-skip away 5. I applied to the powers-that-be for funding to go to the conference with the goal of optimizing our TW implementation plan | [05:55] |
marclaporte | This is awesome timing :-) | [05:55] |
Anzhe | 6. they agreed, to my amazement
we've never done anything like a knowledge base before, and lots of people think I'm crazy, so to get this conference bankrolled was a real coup anyway, hopefully I can meet some people who know TW while I'm there, because it's new for all of us | [05:55] |
marclaporte | Yes, there will be some users | [05:56] |
Anzhe | I have basic MediaWiki experience but editing existing articles here and there is a far cry from building a goliath market research knowledge base | [05:56] |
marclaporte | But Régis is the one with most experience I would think
And Tiki is a different animal than MediaWiki :-) So the thing to figure out soon is the power of trackers | [05:56] |
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Anzhe | I'm very excited about the trackers and the MindMap
the former should help us manage the workload, the latter is perfect for impressing low-tech bosses ;-) | [05:58] |
marclaporte | :-)
We have plenty of ambition to go beyond MindMaps: http://dev.tiki.org/Visualization | [06:02] |
Anzhe | :@marclaporte, lovely, now roll it out ASAP! ;-)
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marclaporte | :-) | [06:11] |
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Hello Someone bugged memcache in trunk? Call to a member function get() on a non-object in lib/cache/memcachelib.php on line 117 | [15:21] | |
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Jyhem_ | Hello leagris: memcache is not just broken in trunk. It's kind of an abandoned feature
I looked it up in Tiki9 in april and my notes say: fonctionnalité en déshérence (currently unworking/uncared for) :-( | [15:45] |
jonnyb | hi Jyhem_ and leagris
memcache is working, i'm using it in a couple of tiki 11 sites | [15:48] |
Jyhem_ | Summary: Tiki ignores package php5-memcached and package php5-memcache ends up in White Screen of Death | [15:49] |
jonnyb | but it can blow up badly if you don't set it up right (lphuberdeau magic :) ) - i started fixing it but it wasn't easy and so just added some notes somewhere it think | [15:49] |
Jyhem_ | jonnyb: I wish I knew that in april, you were in the same building when it failed me on Tiki9 :-) | [15:50] |
jonnyb | you must have valid entries in your memcache_servers pref, or WSoD | [15:50] |
Jyhem_ | So, not something that iproved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ? | [15:51] |
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Jyhem_ | Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :)
reposting : So, not something that improved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ? Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :) | [15:52] |
jonnyb | trouble is, the caching is done so low in the system that safely reporting problems (like the caching isn't working) is v tricky - catch 22 sort of thing
i fixed a couple of things for 11, but didn't manage to defeat the setup issue jonnyb just jumps into the debugger when confronted with a WSoD | [15:53] |
Jyhem_ | Well, at least xCache is working fine. | [15:54] |
jonnyb | :) | [15:54] |
Jyhem_ | I look up the error log. But really, I did not put effort in memcache, since i had no detailed understanding of what it achieved when running, and i was more passing through all the performance panels one after the other | [15:56] |
jonnyb | from my experience on two servers with it, i think you get a noticeable speed improvement out of cached pages - "feels like" about 10% or 20% maybe | [15:57] |
Jyhem_ | Also, I have that feeling next time I want to improve performances, i would have better results looking up nginx (everybody else seems to anyway) | [15:57] |
jonnyb | no idea what happens under heavy load but i'd guess it all helps
yes, must try nginx and the others one day | [15:57] |
Jyhem_ | Any help is good, except the help which presents a WSOD to the customer :-)
Jyhem_ goes for a cold shower and out. It's too hot here :-( | [15:58] |
jonnyb | :) | [15:59] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46887 10branches/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46876 to 46886 | [16:02] |
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Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Performance admin panel tabs - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48318 | [16:36] |
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Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46888 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/core/Services/AutoSave/Controller.php
tikiwiki [FIX] autosave: Add and deploy checkReferrer routine and some phpdocs | [17:06] |
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Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46889 10branches/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs)
tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Convert autosave.php into a proper "lib" (finally) | [17:34] |
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leagris | well ok the WSOD I know how to go out of it by editing the tiki_preference table. Not sure regular users will know how to go out of this | [17:35] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03lindonb r46890 10trunk/lib/core/Table/Code/ 10(5 files)
tikiwiki [REF] tablesorter: use simpler method of adding classes for setting sort or filter to false and other minor cleanup | [17:38] |
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jonnyb | hey lindonb - having a refactoring saturday too? :) | [17:41] |
lindonb | yes, exactly! | [17:42] |
leagris | I don't know if it is my Firefox setup/extension but the onload performance is terrible
though it is fine with Chrome 167ms requests+http and 1.36s onload | [17:43] |
jonnyb | hi leagris - firefox is notoriously slow but mines fine here at the moment (the messed up the debugger in safari which i was using before)
i did find that using the js can was really slowing it down a lot in some circumstances - try switching that off? | [17:46] |
leagris | what do you mean by "using the js"?
debugger? | [17:51] |
jonnyb | sorry (autocorrect) i meant "js cdn" | [17:51] |
leagris | was disabled
Well, from Firebug profiler 33% time spent was from Thumbnails_capture() (browser internal) hahaha | [17:54] |
jonnyb | :D
don't worry, it should get an update in a few hours, hasn't been one for day! s | [17:55] |
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leagris | doing tests on multiple CDN. 3 is where I get the most perceived performance gain | [18:07] |
jonnyb | leagris: i had a little look too but don't know how to set it up properly - i did find i was still getting "empty" ##i entries in the trusted urls array | [18:08] |
leagris | junnyb did a new commit to fix this last night | [18:09] |
jonnyb | did you have a look at the memcache_servers serialise functions? That would be the cleanest way to do it and you'd get a clean array everywhere
yes, this was today if there's a line end after the last url it counts as a new empty cdn... | [18:09] |
leagris | ah yes | [18:10] |
jonnyb | the test for empty is on the whole pref, not the split elements
hope you don't mind me mentioning it :) (just trying to help) | [18:10] |
leagris | your are of good help | [18:12] |
mmm preg_split on s+ help remove middle empty entries, but not last entry ;D
well trim will do | [18:21] | |
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jonnyb | leagris: try array_filter($array)
hi marclaporte | [18:30] |
fabricius1 | polom | [18:34] |
jonnyb | hi fabricius1
nice1 ;) | [18:34] |
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fabricius1 | :-)
oh | [19:06] |
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leagris | I am on input proofing tiki_cdn entries, soon an update :) | [19:45] |
jonnyb | :) | [19:55] |
fabricius | does anybody has the WikiSyntax for "unbreakable space" off hand? tiki.org loads ages.
actually doc.tiki.org loads ages | [20:01] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03leagris r46891 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php
tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn sanitize cdn preference entries before use + refactoring | [20:02] |
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jonnyb | hi fabricius - didn't know we had one for that | [20:11] |
leagris | fabricus whouldn't entering it being enough? non-breaking-space <altgr><space>, non-breaking-short-space <altgr><v> (used it in French typography before composite punctuations like : ; ? …) | [20:17] |
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lindonb | ~hs~ is the wiki syntax for non breaking space
doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Syntax+Text | [20:22] |
leagris | Not sure a syntax exist for this one: U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE | [20:24] |
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lindonb | leagris: you're probably right, not familiar with that one | [20:26] |
leagris | En français, Il faut un espace court insécable pour séparer les ponctuations composées du texte : « : », « ; », « ? », « … » et les guillemets.
In french, composite punctuations have to be spaced from words, by a short non breaking space. Though a normal size non breaking space is accepted where a short non breaking is not supported. | [20:28] |
lindonb | ah, I see | [20:32] |
fabricius | lindonb: thx, I was looking for ~hs~ | [20:34] |
leagris | Well it si pedantic typography from Imprimerie Nationale. Quebec and other French locale countries don't add any space at all to double punctuations (as in English) ;)
Be sure the LaTeX tools are pedantic enough to follow this rule ;P | [20:34] |
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fabricius | leagris: in german we put the punctuation directly at the last character of a sentence, or of a phrase, etc. and then leave a space after the punctuation: <- this way, <-that way! <- or this way? ... ;-)
leagris: no, very shure, we do not have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space ... maybe we should ask Robert Plummer to get one into the parser? | [20:37] |
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Jyhem_ | Hi, I'm pretty sure we don't have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space
3-4 years ago, after we switched to UTF8, I did some study on browser support of things like non-breaking spaces, half and quarter spaces, half and quarter non breaking spaces, as entered directly in utf-8. The result was: only non-breaking space ( ) was consistently supported ( at the time) :-( No point putting a correct U+202F if it is going to be displayed as a ugly "unknown char" square on 30% of browsers. This is why there is that text on top of tikiwiki/tikiwiki/trunk/lang/fr/language.php We use only normal-width non breaking spaces, so far. But things may have improved and if anyone feels like looking up support for these things on current browsers (and probably also mail user agents), feel free :-) | [20:57] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46892 10branches/ 10(9 files in 8 dirs)
tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Move and tidy edit ajax functions into a new service "Edit" - preview and much cleanup still to do tikiwiki [FIX] Clean cke attributes & classes from html returned to server tikiwiki [ENH] Generally nicer :) | [21:14] |
jonnyb | ok, food time now - more later (tomorrow probably) | [21:16] |
marclaporte1 | jonnyb: why is there still experimental branch? | [21:16] |
jonnyb | i'm making fairly huge refactorings, moving everything into modern services etc (so am like to break something at some point) | [21:17] |
marclaporte1 | ok | [21:18] |
jonnyb | it's more comfortable making a mess here (i have two sites on cron-synced trunk currently ;) ) | [21:18] |
marclaporte1 | It's really nice to see the WYSIWYG energy! | [21:18] |
jonnyb | will merge it all back soon and kill that one - phase 1 already got merged - you played with it?
inline editing | [21:19] |
marclaporte1 | testing here: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum
got some false positives: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum&history_offset=1&diff_style=htmldiff&diff_style=htmldiff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=1&paginate=on&history_pagesize=25 | [21:23] |
jonnyb | that sounds like what i've been fixing this afternoon | [21:26] |
marclaporte1 | doing svn up now | [21:27] |
jonnyb | yes, it was saving all the ckeditor rubbish in the page
is on experimental branch? | [21:27] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46893 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js
tikiwiki [FIX] inline: rogue function call | [21:28] |
marclaporte1 | no, trunk | [21:28] |
jonnyb | i'd prefer someone to have a play before i merge this, i also have to tidy up lots more, at least another day (arildb will hopefully do that soon)
shouldn't be too painful to sw to branches/experimental/ckeditor4 ? ;) | [21:29] |
marclaporte1 | will do
By the way, http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php with MySQL is working well! It's fast | [21:33] |
jonnyb | yes, seems ok doesn't it | [21:34] |
marclaporte1 | LP wrote something about limitation of MySQL size | [21:35] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46894 10trunk/lib/ 10wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_activitystream.php 10core/Search/MySql/Table.php 10core/Search/MySql/Index.php 10search/searchlib-unified.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Performance improvement on mysql full text search indexing by buffering data, some improved error handling | [21:36] |
Jyhem_ | Jyhem_ is lost. Which kind of search is http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php ? | [21:36] |
jonnyb | Jyhem_: tiki-searchindex.php is unified search | [21:37] |
marclaporte1 | https://dev.tiki.org/Unified+Search+with+MySQL+Full+Text+Search#tiki-admin.php_page_search_amp_rebuild_now_amp_loggit | [21:38] |
Jyhem_ | jonnyb: thanks. so traditional mysql full-text search is tiki-searchresults.php got it | [21:38] |
jonnyb | yup | [21:39] |
Jyhem_ | And Tiki 12 is the one where we can compare both on speed and relialability before downgrading tiki-searchresults.php. Good | [21:40] |
jonnyb | i think that's safest - there is some talk about trying to remove it for 12 | [21:41] |
marclaporte1 | lphuberdeau: nextdev.tiki.org seems able to complete now. The error "Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 65535. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs " | [21:43] |
Jyhem_laptop | No no no ! I have some sites with custom modifications of tiki-searchresults.php Why the hell remove things that work ? | [21:43] |
marclaporte1 | demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/ and http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk/ are now running the experimental branch | [21:45] |
jonnyb | thanks marclaporte1 (gone?)
http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk not looking right, but i have to take a break, more later... | [21:50] |
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Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03lindonb r46895 10trunk/lib/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [ENH] tablesorter: add parameter so that plugins can add row groupings and set the data type for sorting and other minor cleanup | [22:10] |
marclaporte | lphuberdeau: http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php is very fast with MySQL. Any idea why we are no longer hitting Row size too large.? | [22:11] |
Tiki-KGB | tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46896 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js
tikiwiki [FIX] inline: leave out empty params (parser artifacts - needs fixing in parser) tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46897 10branches/ 10(17 files in 10 dirs) tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46886 to 46895 | [22:24] |
marclaporte | I am happy, but wondering because we didn't change the number of field on dev.tiki.org (AFAIK) | [22:26] |
fabricius | is there somebody else working on bootstrap at the moment? I mean actually trying T-BS3 in Tiki?
I am working with that on a Tiki pre12 to get a closer understandng of all the related concepts and to find out issues, problems, directions early thus I did setup a little fresh Tiki which I use for testwise concept of proof development, documentation of the steps etc. bilingual (german and english) ... translating now and then I post the link here I would like to get some feedback and maybe stick together with people who are on the same or a similar path fabricius goes out for a few minutes brb | [22:38] |
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fabricius | palim palim | [23:15] |
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