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| marclaporte | Telesight: should be, if 18n.tiki.org is up to date
Lauwenmark: well some things can be fixed fast. If it's a surgical change, you can modify your instance, and the real change can be in 12.0 and 11.1 | [01:11] |
| Lauwenmark | marclaporte: I found the single line to change so the 11 can work :)
marclaporte: in absolute_urls.php, the variable $url_host is the one I needed to redefine. | [01:16] |
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| fabricius | Lauwenmark: re ... nice to hear, you found a solution ... would you mind, to document that on do.tiki.org? :-)
sry doc.tiki.org | [03:02] |
| Lauwenmark | fabricius: Sure, but I'd suggest making this an optionally settable variable from one of the administrative panels.
(there are several cases where autodetection is not desirable and better being user-defined instead) | [03:03] |
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hello, anyone experienced to help me configure my tiki wiki? | [08:18] |
| fabricius | experienced might be some of us :-)
hi rug what's the problem? | [08:30] |
| rug | ok i am new to the tiki
I want to create menus I have created menus, assigned to a module, but can't display | [08:41] |
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| rug | hello
anyone to help? | [08:49] |
| fabricius | sure rug
lets start easy | [08:51] |
| rug | ok thx | [08:51] |
| fabricius | you want to display a menu on your Tiki website | [08:51] |
| rug | yes | [08:52] |
| fabricius | you created a menu
Id=? | [08:52] |
| rug | yup | [08:52] |
| fabricius | 43? | [08:52] |
| rug | yes
its 46 | [08:52] |
| fabricius | ok, so it is the first menu you create in this brandnew Tiki instance (cause the first menu is the main application menu Id=42 .. active by default)
ah so you have setup a few before | [08:53] |
| rug | yes | [08:54] |
| fabricius | 43, 44, 45 and now 46 | [08:54] |
| rug | but all dont appear | [08:54] |
| fabricius | ah ok
sure, when you create a menu, it never appears - ist just exists | [08:54] |
| rug | sure | [08:54] |
| fabricius | which is logical and good so, after you understood a few basics about Tiki | [08:55] |
| rug | ok, this means there is a syntax i am missing | [08:55] |
| fabricius | mainly .. you can use the same menu multiple times
so you need to deside, where the menu Id=46 should appear | [08:55] |
| rug | so in tiki, the about,home,..... how are they called and how to setthem up? | [08:56] |
| fabricius | about, home? what you mean?
you mean a standart navigation menu? | [08:56] |
| rug | i mean the ordinary so called menus
sure yes | [08:56] |
| fabricius | lets keep it simple - Tiki does not mind, for which purpose you use a menu - on a wikipage, as main navigation horizontal or vertical or as secondary menu or in a footer
where you want to display the menu Id=46? | [08:58] |
| rug | Basically, I want to create different menus for multiple departments of my company. There will be authentication requirement to each member to access his/her dptment data. | [08:58] |
| fabricius | a) which module zone (footer, header, left or right column, ...)?
b) horizontal or vertical menu? | [08:59] |
| rug | i'd like horizontal | [08:59] |
| fabricius | ok
I guess you want the "top bar" zone between the header and the columns | [08:59] |
| rug | exactly | [09:00] |
| fabricius | that is the typical zone for horizontal main navigation
cool did you do a lot of trial error configuration yet in this instance, or is it mainly like freh installed? fresh | [09:00] |
| rug | 46 NOC NOC Department d 0 Edit Configure/Options Delete Clone this menu and its options 43 IT Department d 1 Edit Configure/Options Delete Clone this menu and its options 44 IDC IDC Department d 0 Edit Configure/Options Delete Clone this menu and its options 45 FOC FOC DPtment d 0 Edit Configure/Options Delete Clone this menu and its options 42 Application menu Main extensive navigation menu d 192 RESET Clone | [09:02] |
| fabricius | normally the module zones (see: tiki-admin.php?page=look) are set to be "only visible if module" .. which is fine for us
We do not need the list for now | [09:02] |
| rug | I created just as a brief of what I did | [09:02] |
| fabricius | you need to go there: /tiki-admin_modules.php | [09:02] |
| rug | i created modules also | [09:03] |
| fabricius | ok
no custom modules? you do not need custom modules for navigation menus only for very advanced setups | [09:03] |
| rug | it is a custom module | [09:03] |
| fabricius | arrgl
no problem | [09:04] |
| rug | ok can i delete that custom module? | [09:04] |
| fabricius | so you did setup a custom module and wonder, why it does not appear?
just leave it like it is ... you might use it later or change it later .. just ignore it for now | [09:04] |
| rug | or, can I delete everything I did and start from scratch in order to ease your help? | [09:05] |
| fabricius | to display a module you need to apply it to a module zone
no ... nothing necessary to ease my help maybe a minute to get another coffee and have a fag on the balcony :-) so are you in tiki-admin_modules? | [09:05] |
| rug | yes i am | [09:06] |
| fabricius | three tabs, you see it?
use the left tab - click on it then find a button to apply a new module | [09:06] |
| rug | i can see 4
add new module? | [09:07] |
| fabricius | yes! | [09:08] |
| rug | ok | [09:08] |
| fabricius | click on the button | [09:08] |
| rug | yup | [09:08] |
| fabricius | you find a drop down and there you can chosse aswell all preset modules as your custom modules | [09:09] |
| rug | module name, there is a dropdown to choose from | [09:09] |
| fabricius | we use a preset module
the module "menu" obviously preset modules have advantages above custom modules, as you have preset parameters and fields to type in your values for custom modules you have to find out your self and type in manually so we use the preset one the viewport must change and you have a four-tab dialogue for configuring the module tell me when you are there or if you do not find it | [09:09] |
| rug | ok | [09:11] |
| fabricius | ah good
main necessary settings now: 1st tab: drop down "topbar" instead of "top" (top=header) 2nd tab: menu Id = 46 | [09:11] |
| rug | ok
there is nowhere i can put the id only position,order,cache time and groups | [09:12] |
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| fabricius | that is tab 1 | [09:14] |
| rug | sure | [09:15] |
| fabricius | position: topbar | [09:15] |
| rug | yup | [09:15] |
| fabricius | rest is ok | [09:15] |
| rug | yup | [09:15] |
| fabricius | groups obviously refers to the group which can see the module
tab 2 now | [09:15] |
| rug | ok | [09:16] |
| fabricius | menu Id - you see the field
structure Id stays empty ... this is for "magic menus" for later on (adfvanced use with wiki structures) -f type = vert is default anyway, but you can set the value if you want | [09:17] |
| rug | ok I can see Menu not Menu Id | [09:18] |
| fabricius | ok, use that .... things evolve over times
the rest you keep empty but for your interest: here you could define css selectors for the menu (#id for the #dom, ... etc. | [09:19] |
| rug | ok, | [09:20] |
| fabricius | you need the 3rd tab now
here you configure the way how the module is displayed and optionally aplly a css selector to the menu nesessary for a typical topbar main navigation: nobox=y | [09:20] |
| rug | so, I have to find a menu Id i created and fill it. right? | [09:21] |
| fabricius | you do not want a module title and decoration on top of the menu
that was already in the previous (2nd) tab ... just use the Id 46 | [09:21] |
| rug | ok | [09:22] |
| fabricius | then in 3dr tab prameter=nobox / value=y
3rd I mean | [09:23] |
| rug | yup | [09:23] |
| fabricius | everything else keep empty (meaning default)
4th tab now no setting at this moment, but look at it to know it here in the 4th tab you can configure, in which context the module should be visible like depending on a perspective or a category or only when a certain page(s) is active or a theme or a feature (section like blog, forum, etc.) for your usecase we could consider to use perspectives, but that is too advanced for the first day ... we look at this another day ;-) | [09:23] |
| rug | ok | [09:26] |
| fabricius | so you can save the module and it should appear
ls confirm pl confirm | [09:26] |
| rug | ok | [09:26] |
| fabricius | arrgl -> pls <- | [09:26] |
| rug | ok | [09:27] |
| fabricius | ok means "visible"? | [09:27] |
| rug | sorry Im going out for 10 mins | [09:28] |
| fabricius | so I get a fag :-)
fabricius smoking | [09:28] |
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| rug | I am back
sorry for it Are u still there Sir? | [09:56] |
| Hello fabricius | [10:14] | |
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| fabricius | ah rehi
just did some work ... yes still here and you? | [10:31] |
| rug | yes i am | [10:32] |
| fabricius | ok | [10:32] |
| rug | i see | [10:32] |
| fabricius | you have so far 4 menus for 4 workgroups, if I see it right!? | [10:32] |
| rug | right | [10:34] |
| fabricius | do you have any experience in user-permission management aka role-permission model? | [10:36] |
| rug | yes I have | [10:38] |
| fabricius | cool
for workgroups the perspectives feature can be interesting, but we leave that for later - as said each menu need to be visible for a certain workgroup I imagine, that there might be people which are member in more than one group so Tiki must know, when to display which menu (module) | [10:40] |
| rug | sure | [10:42] |
| fabricius | and prevent to display four horizontal menus at the same time, if one user is member of all foru workgroups
so you need to setup an identifier for the Tiki objects (wikipages, articles, forums, etc.) to allocate them to a workgroup an an identifier to allocate the users to a workgroup (or several) you can imagine, that the identifier for users are the ... groups and for the objects they are the ... categories in Tiki you can use categories for different purposes mainly identifying and group objects and secondly to apply permissions for groups of users in groups of objects (categories) I recommend to mainly use category permissions and to avoid general permissions and object permissions (use them only in really necessary situations) you can create several trees of categories use one tree for permissions only and another for navigation only .... you must find out a good way of organising this for your project as you have experience with this, you know, that this is one of the main time eating tasks | [10:42] |
| rug | that's ok | [10:49] |
| fabricius | for your question now, we just need 4 categories and four sample wikipages
the sample wikipages might represent "landingpages" for the workgroups the 4 categories represent the identifier for the workgroup related content as the admin can see everything, you can setup the 4 usergroups lateron | [10:49] |
| rug | ok | [10:51] |
| fabricius | step 1: create categories
ahh step 0: activate the categories feature in /tiki-admin.php?page=features then step 1 ;-) | [10:51] |
| rug | yeah | [10:54] |
| fabricius | /tiki-admin_categories.php | [10:54] |
| rug | the cat link was missing | [10:54] |
| fabricius | yeah - it is missing, when inactive
fabricius is back in a minute | [10:54] |
| rug | ok | [10:54] |
| fabricius | rehi
did you setup the 4 catgories or you need help with it? | [10:58] |
| rug | oh! Im very sorry i am unable to continue. there is an urgent case i need to solve
thank you and i wish i cud meet you here for further help | [11:00] |
| fabricius | so either come back another day or write to the devlist or the forum or write me an IM in the community page tiki.org - you might register there
my username there is "Torsten" community website I mean https://tiki.org/Community | [11:01] |
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laurei: did you figure out how to embed Tiki content yet? | [11:44] |
| laurei | hi mlaporte still no, i had a play with views but couldn't really understand | [11:46] |
| mlaporte | laurei: You could use the print mode or the raw mode | [11:46] |
| laurei | raw sounds nice
what's that? mlaporte | [11:47] |
| mlaporte | https://themes.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Template%20Tricks&pagenum=3#show_the_content_without_columns
That page has a lot of goodies There is also a raw mode which doesn't interpret wiki syntax but that won't help you So for any wiki page, you should be able to get the page without top/left/right/bottom modules | [11:50] |
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| mlaporte | Things to check: if you click a link in the page, does it maintain the look? (without modules)
laurei: I am supposing here there is no concern with login / perms? It's sort of like an iframe? | [11:57] |
| laurei | mlaporte I am using pretty intense role based access control
iframe would be fine | [11:58] |
| mlaporte | So how do you share auth between systems? | [11:59] |
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| mlaporte | Telesight: are you OK for translations or still blocked? | [12:02] |
| laurei | mlaporte ldap, if the user needs to sign in in a few different places it's ok as long as the passwords are synced | [12:04] |
| mlaporte | laurei: so from other system, you embed Tiki pages (without borders) but if page is protected, it should be a login box? | [12:04] |
| laurei | that would be fine mlaporte until i figure out session sharing, etc | [12:04] |
| mlaporte | laurei: ok, and there is a way to sync groups too | [12:05] |
| laurei | tikiwiki has nice ldap group syncing mlaporte, i just create a permissions group for every ldap group | [12:05] |
| mlaporte | session sharing could be done with CAS (which is configurable within Tiki, but you need to set up CAS Server) | [12:06] |
| laurei | mlaporte: is cas just a session thing or is it a complete replacement for ldap plugin | [12:07] |
| mlaporte | not replacement, but to manage sessions | [12:07] |
| laurei | mlaporte so i can manage sessions based on the ldap users, that would be ideal | [12:07] |
| mlaporte | Do you have a lot of users? | [12:08] |
| laurei | mlaporte around 50
but even if it was 3, that user experience is worth weeks of messing around :) | [12:09] |
| mlaporte | hehe | [12:15] |
| laurei | i see your name around alot mlaporte what do you do @tiki | [12:15] |
| mlaporte | http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index_p.php?page=Tiki12 makes a nice page, but links in them go to normal pages, so you could try with Short URLs off (Maybe Short URLs is conflicting with keeping the tiki-index_p...)
I discovered Tiki in 2002 while building online communities and found it really awesome and I thought "If only it could also do XYZ as well" 11 years later, I am still thinking that :-) | [12:19] |
| laurei | I had a look at the codebase once, it scared me to see so many files
but i can't find anything that is as flexible | [12:23] |
| mlaporte | I think we now have the best development model in the World (well, for a vastly-featured web app)
I have analyzed many and got inspiration from them | [12:25] |
| laurei | mlaporte: I'd love to see a nice template built on bootstrap.js if i can get my snippets working i might do that next | [12:27] |
| mlaporte | Codebase is huge, somewhat messy and has 3 different generations of code in it, including some PHP4 stuff
Bootstrap is going to be awesome! And a good example of how Tiki has best development model With any other web app, they have to sacrifice tons of extensions when they make a (necessary or desirable) enhancement to the infrastructure In Tiki, because we a have a unified code base and data structure, we can make it all evolve without sacrificing part of the commmunity | [12:27] |
| laurei | "...and how much would you expect to pay for all this.." :) | [12:32] |
| mlaporte | And with Long Term Support (LTS) versions, site admins can upgrade at their own pace. There is a proposal currently on the table to extend support period to 5 years (instead of 3.5 years now, and 2 years we had for the 1st LTS version) starting with Tiki12 | [12:34] |
| laurei | mlaporte: I guess it would depend on the figures of people sticking with old versions, i personally upgrade whenever i can | [12:35] |
| mlaporte | There is a split in the community, which can even lead to tensions because of these conflicting objectives
Most of the site admins prefer LTS and don't want to upgrade. Tiki does all they need, which is why the picked it. But most of the people committing code is to get enhancements and the new versions laurei: you said you can't find anything as flexible. What did you compare it to? | [12:36] |
| laurei | mlaporte I spent a few hours on wikimatrix, all of them, I really need RBAC, and SVG, i think i chose twiki and tikiwiki
perl ain't my thing | [12:43] |
| mlaporte | Ah, how those two names are close :-)
How "iki" makes all the difference :-) There is also an ikiwiki (!) | [12:44] |
| laurei | haha, i would have chosen twiki because they claim fortune 500 companies bla bla, i think i even installed it but I wasn't going to be able to code anything for it | [12:46] |
| mlaporte | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiwiki
hmmmm, do you think we should add some fortune 500 companies on info.tiki.org ? | [12:47] |
| laurei | yes mlaporte it would make me more comfortable lol | [12:48] |
| fabricius | hehe - which of them use Toki?
errr Tiki sry | [12:48] |
| laurei | theres a toki?
oh | [12:48] |
| mlaporte | hahahah | [12:48] |
| laurei | sounds japanese tokiwoki | [12:48] |
| fabricius | oh noooo - there is a typo
hehe | [12:48] |
| laurei | does tikiwiki use a vcs for storage, i like the idea of that | [12:49] |
| fabricius | vice city story?
hhe version control system version control in sence of history? yes for wikipages, yes for sheets | [12:50] |
| laurei | in the sense of using git or svn
its not a big deal i don't know how i'd use it like that, but i do like using standards | [12:51] |
| fabricius | version control in sence of new version of files and archive old versions?
yes for file galleries version control system in sence of downloadable source code (development)? yes for Tiki source code => sourceforge => svn I run myprojects via svn | [12:52] |
| laurei | i mean the documents themselves | [12:53] |
| fabricius | minor upgeades: shell ... svn up ... tiki-installer + upgrade database ... mostly finished in a few minutes
so files file gallery you upload a file into the file gallery -> either in the database, or in a folder in the document root of Tiki or strongly recommended outside the document root of Tiki then you can upload a new version of the file, if necessary and still have the old version archived or several old versions but this is not via git or svn ... its Tiki internal | [12:54] |
| mlaporte | When I started out, TWiki was, by far, the best wiki out there. It's the first Enterprise wiki. I considered very seriously using that. However, I felt that 1- PHP was better suited for this and more accessible 2- Storing in a DB was much much better than storing in the file system 3- Tiki's other features (blog, forums, etc.) were needed for community management and if they were not bundled, I would waste a lot of time picking stuff, ma | [12:57] |
| laurei | have any of you guys used sharepoint or whatever they are calling it, how do they compare | [12:59] |
| fabricius | by the way: storage in the database and storage in directory documentroot/files is only to make it working from default installation
it is strongly recommended to create a directory outside the document root of Tiki and use a path like this: ../files/gallery instead of /files, which would be inside the document root I never used sharepoint, but I think I have to look at it, as Tiki might become a competitor after getting some missing stuff wrapped up mlaporte: are you still thinking, that storing in the db would be batter than storing in the file system? ... I have bad experience with database, cause database grows extremely with file storage (just one point) | [12:59] |
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| fabricius | long ago I did read about the recommended directory storage (outside root) and since I only do that from conviction
... I do that only ... err ... I do only store in the file system cause I am convinced .... shame, English still is a foreign language for me | [13:03] |
| mlaporte | fabricius: what laurei means is to be able to edit a wiki page via Git or SVN like http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/Git-Wiki | [13:05] |
| fabricius | ah - he referred to documents ... I have a look
humm would we need that? I mean we have "history" for the pages and we can compare versions and everything | [13:05] |
| laurei | I have no idea fabricius it just "sounds" good :)
i guess using standards is always good | [13:07] |
| mlaporte | Torsten: file system for binary files is OK. But in TWiki and DokuWiki, all the data (pages, users, page metadata, etc.) are stored as text files. For this, I much prefer a real database | [13:09] |
| laurei | but i can't think of a use case except for backing up because you still have permissions, git doesn't handle that well | [13:09] |
| fabricius | mlaporte: I agree
I do not think, that we would need to be able to edit wiki pages via git or svn why involve a third party, if we have a very stable core feture for it integrated deeply in our software? | [13:10] |
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| fabricius | feature
hate these typos, but cannot really avoid them hi ricks99 | [13:12] |
| ricks99 | polom fabricius | [13:13] |
| fabricius | moloq | [13:13] |
| laurei | actually fabricius mlaporte I just remembered why it would be good, you just don't worry about how you store the data, just simply put in the creds and transfer the data to the git system which stores it | [13:15] |
| ricks99 | :-) | [13:16] |
| fabricius | hmm ... I do not worry about how to store the data anyway ...
I 'click edit or create' - 'edit' - 'save' stored in the database including history and permissions and all why worrying? I mean, if you start coding a wiki from scratch, you could use git-wiki for versioning alright I do not see the point for Tiki, even the idea of git-wiki might be quite cool in itself ... a nice use for git | [13:17] |
| mlaporte | https://dev.tiki.org/File+Gallery+Revamp is coming so any features you see in SharePoint or Alfresco, just add | [13:20] |
| http://www.fossil-scm.org/ is an intriguing distributed SCM. I could envisage using this with Tiki for synching of profiles and perhaps to make Tiki distributed | [13:27] | |
| laurei | whats the difference between fossil and git | [13:29] |
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polom who is in charge of the domains *.tiki.org? only marc? maybe changi ? Jyhem , any clue, since you were involved in the show.t.o recent domain, I guess? | [19:19] |
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| Jyhem | xavi: Marc is, but probably not only Marc.
Maybe even me, but I'm in a huge emergency Gotta get spiral back up | [19:54] |
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| xavi | ok, Jyhem, no worries, thanks for the info.
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