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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47530 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_editor.tpl * [ENH] Some rewording on the editor wizard page [00:08]
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arildbah... I forgot to give Bernard a thanks in the commit for the rewording. [00:19]
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BobCFYI, last evening I submitted a question about centering {img.....stylebox....}. It is not possible. Today, I found an alternative - ::{COLORBOX(fgalId="49" fileId="3090:3091:1781:1758" showallthumbs="y" thumb="y" showtitle="y") /}::
Thanks for your help last evening. Bye for now.
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47531 10trunk/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl
[REVERT][r47457][FIX] Only show inline edit icon, when wysiwyg feature is also enabled.
Make inline editing be a separate feature, not dependent on feature wysiwyg 		[00:42]
03arildb r47532 10trunk/ 10templates/admin/include_wysiwyg.tpl 10lib/prefs/wysiwyg.php
[MOD] Make "Inline wysiwyg editor" be a separate feature, not dependent on feature wysiwyg.
List "Inline wysiwyg editor" together with "Full wysiwyg editor" in the wysiwyg admin panel 		[00:50]
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03arildb r47533 10trunk/lib/ 10(8 files in 2 dirs)
[NEW] Let wizard pages decide if they should be shown or not.
Thanks Bernard 		[01:56]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47534 10trunk/ 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 03templates/wizard/admin_language.tpl 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_language.php
[NEW] Add admin wizad page: language
Test page for conditional display. Only dummy content is displayed.
Page is only displayed, if the system language = hebrew (for testing/demo only) 		[02:32]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47535 10trunk/ 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_auto_toc.php 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 03templates/wizard/admin_auto_toc.tpl
[NEW] Admin wizard detail setting page for Auto TOC.
Uses conditional display. Only shown, if Auto TOC is selected. 		[02:58]
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03arildb r47536 10trunk/ 03templates/wizard/admin_namespace.tpl 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 10templates/wizard/admin_wiki.tpl 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_namespace.php
[NEW] Admin wizard detail setting page for Namespace
Uses conditional display. Only shown, if namespaces are selected.
[ENH] Remove the namespace seperator setting in the wiki setup page.
It's now in the detail settings page.
03arildb r47537 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_auto_toc.tpl * [ENH] Rename to Auto TOC setup 		[03:14]
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03arildb r47538 10trunk/templates/ 10wizard/admin_namespace.tpl 10wizard/admin_auto_toc.tpl * [ENH] Add link to doc.tiki.org page for feature detail pages
03arildb r47539 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_wiki.tpl * [FIX] Link 		[03:38]
refizullogin option "remember me" does still not work properly, but now I noticed a difference between Chrome and Firefox in a local Tiki11 installation
Chrome worked fine for several days, Firefox kicked me out after ~90 minutes of inactivity. I configured "remember for one month".
This is odd, I'll keep an eye on that issue. 		[03:46]
Tiki-KGB03arildb r47540 10trunk/templates/tiki-wizard_admin.tpl
[ENH] Moved wizard bar to the top of the displayed page.
Maneuvering through many screens of different sizes is easier then.
03arildb r47541 10trunk/ 03templates/wizard/admin_jcapture.tpl 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_jcapture.php
[NEW] Admin wizard detail setting page for jCapture.
Uses conditional display. Only shown, if jcapture are selected.
Incomplete 		[03:58]
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03arildb r47542 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_editor.tpl * [ENH] Add "Problems with SEFURL" to known wysiwyg limitations [04:42]
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03arildb r47543 10trunk/ 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 10templates/wizard/admin_files.tpl 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_files_storage.php 03templates/wizard/admin_files_storage.tpl
[NEW] Admin wizard detail setting page for file storage.
Uses conditional display. Only shown, if more information is needed for the selected file storage.
[ENH] Remove storage details from the files and file gallery wizard page.
Moved top the file storage detail page.
03arildb r47544 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_files.tpl * [ENH] Rename sections in Files and File Gallery page 		[05:06]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47545 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_wiki.tpl * [ENH] Better description of namespace usage [05:15]
03arildb r47546 10trunk/templates/wizard/wizard_bar.tpl
[ENH] Rearrange wizard bar buttons, so they remain fixed while navigating back and forth.
Also separate Cancel from Save and Continue to avoid problems with varying text size in the Continue button (called Finish in last step) 		[05:26]
arildbHi marclaporte
The current steps in the admin wizard are now starting to look better.
However, in the last step: INitialize Tiki, the "apply profile now" doesn't do what it says. It directs me to the admin profiles panel.
There, I have to search for the profile manually
The link in the admin wizard should do what it says, and apply the profile immidiately, when the link "apply profile now" is click for one of the profiles.
We should also make sure the presented profiles actually work for the release they are linking from.
I am not very familiar with profiles 		[05:28]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47547 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_files_storage.tpl
[FIX] Only show the storage parts needing more information
[FIX] typo 		[05:46]
03arildb r47548 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_editor.tpl
[ENH] Add wysiwyg admin icon to the wizard editor page, to visually associate where in the admin panel this information can be found. 		[06:00]
marclaportearildb: the link can't work because profiles for Tiki12 don't exist yet [06:06]
arildbah..ok. does it look like they will be there by the time Tiki 12 is released? [06:07]
marclaportemarclaporte predicts interesting debates about what should go in wizard vs admin panel vs profiles [06:07]
arildbhe he...yes [06:08]
marclaportearildb: yes, https://tiki.org/Profiles+Team will do as soon as we branch [06:08]
arildbsounds good [06:08]
marclaporteyou can test with 11.x link in the mean time
It was a little clunky before because of need to click 1 or 2 extra times for it to work 		[06:09]
Tiki-KGB03arildb r47549 10trunk/templates/ 10(7 files)
[ENH] Add icons "of belonging" to the different sections on the wizard pages, to visually associate where in the admin panel this information can be found. 		[06:10]
marclaportearildb: I suggest to try to stay with the word "preference" vs setting as it's the term we historically use [06:11]
arildbyes, that's better [06:11]
marclaportearildb: I am really glad you planned for more wizards in the future. This is a game-changer for Tiki! [06:12]
arildb:-) [06:12]
marclaporteIf you want to laugh (or cry!), check out http://dev.tiki.org/AdminUIRevamp20071210 where, over 5 years ago, it was discussed to make the Admin UI more task oriented instead of feature oriented.
To be fair, this meeting did lead to a revamp of the installer, a revamp of the admin panels, better default prefs, etc.
We also made all the prefs dynamic which makes all this easier without duplication galore :-)
arildb: another recent possibility is https://doc.tiki.org/Local+Profiles 		[06:16]
arildbyes, local profiles look interesting
The Admin Wizard is starting to look good now,I think. Hopefully, somebody else will do a bit more polishing. I am calling it the day. 		[06:22]
marclaportegood job Arild! [06:27]
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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - 9.x: Can NOT export fields nor synchronize a big tracker - http://dev.tiki.org/item4756 [12:10]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Hold back Inline editing as a separate feature - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49183 [12:39]
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polom y'all [13:26]
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Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r47550 10trunk/ 10installer/installlib.php 10console.php
[FIX] Attempt to load tiki-setup.php on an uninstalled database causes the commands to fail. 		[14:00]
lphuberdeauarildb, this one should solve the issue you had yesterday trying a clean install from the console [14:01]
arildbok ... I got to know about the console in this process :-) [14:02]
lphuberdeaure-install would work but not clean-install [14:04]
arildblphuberdeau: Did you have a chance to have a closer look at the Admin Wizard, and Are you still "very worried" about the integration in Tiki12? [14:04]
lphuberdeauwell, I can at least log-in now after a fresh install [14:06]
arildbhe he...yes, that always helps [14:07]
lphuberdeauI like that it removes much of the junk in HomePage
in terms of UI, I'm not sure about the show on startup checkbox
seems to me like you either make it to the end and when you hit finish, it goes away, or just be able to skip and go back to the normal flow 		[14:07]
arildbyes, especially good if inline editing is enable. The user can work directly on the front page afterthe install. [14:10]
lphuberdeauI think it's still a rough decision, because it has not been tested so much, and if it's not enabled by default, it won't be used [14:10]
arildbWhen people are experimenting with Tiki, they may want to run the wizard several times ... as do I in development. [14:11]
lphuberdeauI have been thinking for a long time that the home page as it was gave the impression that wiki syntax is too complex
perhaps a quick link to start the wizard from the admin panels? 		[14:11]
arildbyes, the Admin Wizard must be on, to have any effect.
a link from the admin panel exists, though a little hard to find
but that is certainly an option, if there are concerns about the stability
if not enabled at login, the current profile page (for Admin) will not be available, unless we change the homepage back to how it was. 		[14:11]
lphuberdeauactually, editing the title with inline messes up the fancylist plugin
(oops?) 		[14:14]
arildb...or difficult to rach
I have seen the fancylist problem
s/rach/reach 		[14:14]
lphuberdeauany way you could enable it from the installer when entering the site? Like enter Tiki and start the Wizard?
kind of wondering if it should be enabled in a little softer way in 12.0, and eventually by default as it is now for 12.1 		[14:16]
ricks99maybe a wizard module that starts the wizard? we used to have a "new user" module (default on new install)
(sorry for jumping in) 		[14:17]
arildbThere are currently 2 entry points. 1) during tiki-login and 1 during change-password. The latter is used during the regular Tiki installation. The former is used during the console install and regular logins
a softer way, yes maybe. Though I am not sure how. Also as long as the core functions (wizardlib) are stable, changing the page set doesn't have much effect.
a module on the frontpage, to auto-start the wizard...that could work. 		[14:17]
ricks99ricks99 recalls we used to have a "new user" module that was enabled, by default, on new installs [14:20]
arildbI don't have great concerns about the stability though, as long as we get to test all the trigger points (installations/logins) The wizard itself is not complex. [14:21]
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lphuberdeauone thing though... don't use header('Location: ...') to redirect
use $access->redirect() 		[14:25]
arildbok. What's the difference? [14:25]
lphuberdeaulittle more abstraction [14:27]
arildbok [14:27]
lphuberdeauhaving exit and die all over the code is just a bad practice
(also makes automated testing nearly impossible) 		[14:27]
arildbyes, I agree [14:27]
lphuberdeaufor the error messages, you can also use redirect and pass a message [14:28]
arildbbtw. I think I saw a header call without an exit in the change-password file (I believe it was). I believe the execution will then proceed, or? ... not sure if this is intended or not. Is so, the wizard may break something, since it doesn't return. [14:29]
lphuberdeauI've been hunting those down for years now, but people keep adding them [14:32]
arildb:-)
I have to head out a bit bbl 		[14:32]
Tiki-KGB03nkoth r47551 10trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php * [FIX] warning on command line install from tiki with no db yet [14:46]
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Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r47552 10trunk/lib/core/Tiki/Profile.php
[ENH] Make sure paths to profiles in the local install are relative to avoid trucation and better support file moving 		[15:18]
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ricks99hiya chibaguy [15:38]
chibaguyhey ricks99 [15:38]
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refizullittle problem (Tiki 11): items in 'User Menu' do not appear in the menu. Is there another option besides 'Preference name: feature_usermenu' which has to be enabled? [15:54]
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lphuberdeauis that "My Tiki"? [15:57]
tikiguestI am having trouble registering at tiki.org, specifically the anti-bot verification code is constantly being rejected as mistyped. I've tried over half a dozen codes. I'm using firefox with adblock plus, noscript, and requestpolicy add-ons (each one has tiki.org whitelisted). Any ideas? [15:58]
ricks99tikiguest: Did you enter the correct passcode (different than then CAPTCHA?
tikiguest: i just tested and succesffully regiseted 		[16:02]
refizullphuberdeau: "My Tiki" is active, and it shows several items, including "User Menu", but the items I defined in "User Menu" are not displayed [16:04]
lphuberdeauah, sorry, I don't know about that at all [16:04]
refizulExample here: http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-usermenu.php [16:05]
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ricks99refizul: iirc, it doesn't actually add your user menu items as subitems in the main menu. rather, it is simply a list of options on the page. [16:08]
tikiguestricks99: Yes, I entered the passcode correctly. My internet connect is spotty at the moment. Sorry I keep dropping out. [16:09]
ricks99refizul: the menu items are listed on tiki-usermenu.php -- but not shown as sub items in the actual admin/main menu
tikiguest: i was able to register succesfully just now as a test. 		[16:10]
tikiguestI just tried to register in Iron (Chrome fork) and I have the same problem.
I don't doubt it's on my end. And I don't think I'm being obtuse about anything. 		[16:11]
Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r47553 10trunk/lib/core/Search/Indexer.php
[FIX] Pref index rebuild should not be done with the content index rebuild and it should certainly not be done from Search_Indexer 		[16:12]
refizulricks99: yes, they are listed, but this does not look like the intended behaviour [16:12]
ricks99as per the docs, that's the way it works. [16:13]
tikiguestBeneath the email field I also see a message that states "A valid email is mandatory to register". Is this a permanent message, or is it an indication that the email address is problematic? [16:14]
ricks99refizul: you have to Menu > My Tiki > User Menu will list the items. They're listed on a single page -- not part of the actual application menu itself [16:14]
refizulI cannot even click them in the list. But I was asked whether to open a new window or use the actual one. Is there a module for those items? [16:14]
tikiguestJust figured it out, it's a permanent message.
Still can't register though. 		[16:15]
ricks99tikiguest: when you tab through the fields, tiki will attempt to validate. if invalid, you'll see
refizul: on http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-usermenu.php?menuId=1 working for me
i'm able to click your demo item in the list
opens in same window, as defined
refizul: ah... now I see your issue. Not sure :( 		[16:15]
refizulmaybe this is an "not yet finished" feature?
Or it got lost at some time in the past? 		[16:19]
ricks99don't know, sorry :( you're running Tiki 10? maybe try in the current or LTS versions? [16:21]
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refizulI noticed in Tiki11, but demo.t.o has got a loop problem with Tiki 11
IIRC I've seen this problem before, that was Tiki 9 a few months ago 		[16:23]
tikiguestOK, my registration finally seemed to take. I just kept resubmitting the registration and it eventually worked. Weird. How long does a new registration take to be activated? [16:32]
ricks99what's ur tiki username? i'll activate it now [16:34]
tikiguestDavid M. Besonen [16:35]
ricks99u should get validation email momentarily [16:36]
tikiguestthx [16:36]
ricks99be sure "@tiki.org" is in your emails "accepted" list if you use spamblocker
and welcome to the community :) 		[16:37]
tikiguestricks99: Activated. Thanks for your help. A couple other questions if you have time. I downloaded a Bitnami Tiki 11 stack for Windows to test the software out. I first attempted to set up a calender and was stymied. Do you know if there is any reason I might not be able to do this with the Bitnami stack? Clicking on the one of the templates (that apparently configures Tiki in various "typical" ways) on the welcome page di
is just operator error, where do I get a list of baby steps needed to set up a calendar? 		[16:47]
chibaguytikiguest: I use the Bitnami wamp stick with no particular errors.
or issues
well, short urls doesn't work, but this seems to be a general Windows issue - same problem with WampServer 2 and Xampp. 		[16:49]
Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r47554 10trunk/lib/ 10tikidate.php 10setup/javascript.php * [ENH] Shave off 1.4M of memory usage on every page load [16:52]
tikiguestchibaguy: So you are using the Bitnami WAMP stack (and installing Tiki yourself) and not the specific Tiki stack? [16:52]
chibaguyYes, I installed the Bitnami WAMP stack and then just made a folder in htdocs for Tiki installations. [16:54]
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chibaguyI have trunk and branches 9, 10, 11, plus various other Tiki installations for other purposes.
I just tried making a new calendar in trunk and it went smoothly with no problems. 		[16:54]
Just made a new calendar in branch 11 in Bitnami Wamp. It worked as designed. [17:04]
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Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r47555 10trunk/lib/ 10parser/parserlib.php 10comments/commentslib.php
[FIX] Using the plugin parser to extract the code block instead of using the custom technique that ignores arguments 		[17:14]
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chibaguy: Thanks for testing that. It's probably my lack of experience with the basic conventions that are used to operate Tiki. What is the first step in creating a calendar on a clean Tiki install (assume I'm logged in as Admin)? 		[17:24]
chibaguyAh, make sure the calendar feature is turned on, on tiki-admin.php?page=features. Then just click "Create Calendar" on tiki-admin_calendars.php.
You can edit details of the calendar or just give it a name and click "save". 		[17:30]
tikiguestchibaguy: Thanks. I have a calendar. [17:35]
chibaguyThat's good. You're welcome. :-) [17:36]
tikiguestchibaguy ricks99: or anyone else for that matter, what is the recommended minimum server requirements for Tiki to perform responsively where maybe 25 people will be actively using Tiki simultaneously in any particular moment? [17:39]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Description footer - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=49188 [17:40]
chibaguytikiguest: I don't really know. Maybe 256MB? [17:41]
tikiguestSo probably not that much. And is Tiki 11 generally considered to be stable (I understand it is not an LTS release)? [17:45]
lphuberdeauit really depends a lot on what features you are using
11 is quite stable, and 12 is coming rather quickly - should be an easy upgrade 		[17:46]
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tikiguestlphuberdeau: Imagine many features. Also, I'm curious about minimum processor time and disk i/o (in addition to available ram) as I imagine these might also impact responsiveness.
Is 12 in beta?
If it is I'd probably just start with 12. 		[17:49]
lphuberdeauthere are really a lot of factors into play, what kind of hosting are you looking into? [17:50]
tikiguest12 is an LTS release? [17:51]
lphuberdeau12 is expected to branch soon, and release mid-october (might be end of october, hard to predict)
12 will be an LTS
are you going with a VPS, dedicated server or host internally? 		[17:51]
tikiguestthx
Probably a manged VPS.
managed 		[17:53]
lphuberdeaumake sure PHP is set-up properly with bytecode cache, and that it has enough memory available to hold all the active code [17:55]
tikiguestk [17:55]
lphuberdeauthat alone might eat-up 128-256M of ram, but it will reduce the overall memory consumption significantly and make everything more responsive [17:56]
tikiguestAny other performance tips? [17:57]
lphuberdeauyou can never have too much ram [17:57]
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lphuberdeau chibaguy ricks99: and anyone else I missed, thanks for the help. One last question before I give up on this spotty Internet connection. Are the times on calendar events only allowed to be set in half hour increments (that's at least the default I'm seeing)? [18:13]
lphuberdeaudon't know about calendars, sorry [18:21]
arildbHi lphuberdeau
I had a look at tikiaccesslib and redirect( $url = '', $msg = '', $code = 302 )
You suggested using this instead of the header call. That should be fine
However, if I understood right, you also suggested using this for error messages. What's the url in this case?
just empty? 		[18:23]
lphuberdeaudepends on the situation I guess
alternatively, you can use the errorreport lib to just display a message 		[18:26]
arildbFor a piece of code like ...
if (empty($pages)) {
$smarty->assign('msg', tra("No wizard pages specified"));
$smarty->display("error.tpl");
die;
}
How do you suggest rewriting it? 		[18:28]
lphuberdeauwithout knowing the context, it's hard to say
I just think error.tpl and die is a horrible solution
you can redirect to the first page of the wizard with your message 		[18:30]
arildbyes, unclear to me too ... but c'est la vie
I will change the header calls for now 		[18:31]
lphuberdeauif it were a service, I would just throw a not found exception
that would send a 404 		[18:32]
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tikiguestlphuberdeau: I found the calendar setting for "Split hours in periods of". The default is 30 minutes. Does anyone know if reducing this default setting to 1 minute impacts calendar and/or general Tiki performance? [18:41]
Tiki-KGB03arildb r47556 10trunk/lib/wizard/wizardlib.php
[ENH] Use the accesslibb redir call, instead of the header call.
Better abstraction. Thanks lphuberdeau 		[18:42]
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ricks99tikiguest: no performance impact (afaik). it only changes the display when vewing event days [18:45]
Tiki-KGB03arildb r47557 10trunk/tiki-change_password.php * [FIX] Use accesslib redir instead of the header redirect (missing an exit) [18:52]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47558 10trunk/tiki-wizard_admin.php * [ENH] Skip the array indexes when building the wizard page array. [20:20]
03marclaporte r47559 10branches/11.x/lib/perspectivelib.php * [bp/r47436] [FIX] Wrong permission was checked
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Reminder of webinar tomorrow Thursday, September 19, 2013 at 19:00:00 UTC (click for time zone in your city) - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49193 [22:33]
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Tiki-KGB03arildb r47561 10trunk/ 10(7 files in 3 dirs)
[NEW] Admin wizard page to select the basic Editor Type. Text or Wysiwyg.
[MOD] Renamed the page editor to wysiwyg, and remove the feature_wysiwyg preference.
03arildb r47562 10trunk/ 10templates/admin/include_wysiwyg.tpl 10lib/prefs/wysiwyg.php
[REVERT][r47532][MOD] Make "Inline wysiwyg editor" be a separate feature, not dependent on feature wysiwyg.
List "Inline wysiwyg editor" together with "Full wysiwyg editor" in the wysiwyg admin panel
03arildb r47563 10trunk/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl
[REACTIVATE][REVERT][r47457][FIX] Only show inline edit icon, when wysiwyg feature is also enabled.
Make inline editing be a separate feature, not dependent on feature wysiwyg
03arildb r47564 10trunk/lib/wizard/pages/admin_namespace.php * [FIX] updated comment 		[22:50]
skulltrailhello guys
Anybody known what central header template? 		[23:00]
........... (idle for 54mn)
Tiki-KGB03arildb r47565 10trunk/lib/setup/wiki.php
[NEW] Create a Tiki front page in HTML format, if wysiwyg HTML mode is selected.
Enables full inline editing of front page. 		[23:56]
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