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| Tiki|bot | Recent Bug: - Tiki wishlist bug - http://dev.tiki.org/item4765 | [00:29] |
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| Tiki-KGB | 03arildb r47655 10trunk/ 10templates/wizard/admin_text_area.tpl 10lib/wizard/pages/admin_text_area.php
[MOD] Add the text-area wizard page to the Wysiwyg HTML mode wizard "continue path". However, do not include code mirror and plugin section. [ENH] Add the edit plugin toggle option 03arildb r47656 10trunk/lib/wizard/pages/admin_text_area.php * Fix comment | [01:40] |
| marclaporte | marclaporte is impressed by arildb and xavi | [01:41] |
| arildb | :-)
marclaporte: I found a problem i draw. Doesn't work properly. Added it in the bugtracker. Otherwise, it's easy to add the "fancy" features now. ... makes Tiki kind of like a new product. (I never used profiles much) | [01:42] |
| marclaporte | :-) | [01:56] |
| arildb | ElFinder is awsome! I love it
In the admin wizard,if Elfinder is selected, all dependencies are enable and the finder view is set as the default file gallery view. Hope this is OK. Enable drag & drop for the user, but will overwrite the default view (for those not wantng Elfinder) | [01:59] |
| marclaporte | how far to have elFinder as the default interface? | [02:05] |
| arildb | it is now, if you select Elfinder in the admin wizard. So, easy to activate now. Should also make it easy to evaluate...I assume lots more people will actually try it. | [02:06] |
| marclaporte | Does it deserver to be experimental? | [02:06] |
| arildb | I have not used it much. So, I really cannot say, but so far...no problems
Now it's easy to test. This decision can be made later, or? | [02:07] |
| marclaporte | sure, no rush
I think in Tiki13, the old interface should be ripped out and we converge all efforts on elFinder | [02:11] |
| arildb | Yes, I tend to agree. This Elfinder is so much better
Though maybe 13 is too early to remove it Elfinder should get some runtime first | [02:12] |
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polom polom | [12:37] |
| arildb | Hi jonnyb ... back from the high north? | [12:42] |
| jonnyb | hi arildb - yes, deep south at about 51º now :)
almost equatorial! | [12:43] |
| arildb | hopefully a little warmer | [12:44] |
| jonnyb | yes indeed - high of 21c here today apparently
been struggling to keep up with your commits recently, been working hard! thanks :) am now trying out the new wizard for the first time... will send feedback to the dev list | [12:45] |
| arildb | thanks | [12:49] |
| jonnyb | just wondering why "Full Wysiwyg Editor is optional" seems to be part of "HTML mode" - is that intentional? | [12:51] |
| xavi | hi jonny@irc, welcome back! :-)
hi arildb | [12:52] |
| jonnyb | hi xavi
how's the leg? | [12:52] |
| xavi | xavi houseworking (aside of tiki) right now
leg is doing fine, thanks :-) (after 2 h of exercise every morning) | [12:52] |
| arildb | "Full Wysiwyg Editor is optional" ... yes, I added it to HTML when the text editor is wanted...though not good to combine. For wiki format, it's always optional...or? ... if not Wysiwyg is not selected. | [12:54] |
| jonnyb | surely the optionality for wysiwyg isn't dependent on the format of the page?
the toolbar button depends on that pref, afaik not on wysiwyg_htmltowiki | [12:55] |
| arildb | No, the wizard attempt to make the setup as "good as possible". So, it's only the wizard display | [12:56] |
| jonnyb | oh right, you've made it set it if you pick "compatible" - hmmm...
just trying to work out how it all works - as lphuberdeau said, shame it's not done with services... :( | [12:56] |
| arildb | Services add another element that may fail. As long as the wizard is hooked up to the login process, avoiding them may be better. The "same" code (user wizard) can be wrapped in a service, if needed. | [12:59] |
| jonnyb | do services fail for you? i've not seen that... (as long as js is enabled i guess)
feature_fullscreen isn't a text area thing, it's a wiki page feature i think | [13:00] |
| arildb | No services work well, but still an extra element | [13:01] |
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| jonnyb | in a similar way feature_categories is not a wiki feature - applies to anything
as does jCapture | [13:03] |
| arildb | Yes, but structures have a categorize option. To "process" it, the category setting should be known. Thus categories moved up to same level as structures | [13:04] |
| jonnyb | i guess i should do a reply via email with all this... | [13:04] |
| arildb | jCapture ... added there in my initial test page. STill there. Should be somewhere, I think | [13:04] |
| jonnyb | but i think that is misleading, and not applicable to all installation types | [13:04] |
| arildb | Maybe a more general question about installation "type" can be made earier in the wizard. | [13:05] |
| jonnyb | also 'm wondering why auto TOC is there twice, and even gets it's own page for just one input (i know it's your baby ;) ) | [13:05] |
| arildb | The wizard layout is ...first main page...then detail page afterwards. Opened if main feature is selected
This way the details can also be enetered. The user is only asked for details about main features that are enabled | [13:06] |
| jonnyb | ok, i just got to the categories page | [13:07] |
| arildb | no prefs there, but a details page, which guides the user to where it is configures | [13:07] |
| jonnyb | hmm, but now i'm back on a wiki page about structures... | [13:08] |
| arildb | again a detail prefs page, because you selected structures | [13:08] |
| jonnyb | hmm, ok - maybe there's a better way to show this graphically - didn't seem obvious to me (but i guess i'm not a typical user) | [13:09] |
| arildb | there may be better ways...it has been evolving quite a bit lately. | [13:10] |
| jonnyb | i guess this is why tiki 12 has been postponed? too fluid now to branch i guess... | [13:10] |
| arildb | A graphical guidence about what's coming would be good | [13:11] |
| jonnyb | yes, hard to tell where you are in it - a progress bar thing would help
hmm, http://dev.tiki.org/RoadMap says tiki 12 is due in 8 days | [13:11] |
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| jonnyb | generally though, the wizard works well and covers most features - so well done arildb | [13:14] |
| arildb | thanks jonnyb. The framwork seems to work, and it's easy to alter the wizard pages and order. There's still some work to be done on the content. | [13:15] |
| jonnyb | have a few real world things to attend to, bbl | [13:18] |
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| Tiki-KGB | 03yonixxx r47657 10trunk/lang/he/language.php * [TRA] hebrew translation progress
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| Tiki-KGB | 03yonixxx r47662 04trunk/styles/greenvalley/rtl * [REM] integration of the new rtl management theme system - greenvalley
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| 03xavidp r47674 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_structures.tpl * [FIX]Add missing tr tags
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| Tiki-KGB | 03jonnybradley r47678 10trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-maps.js
[FIX] maps: Check for central map position before finding the correct layer (fixes js error on new tracker items) | [18:02] |
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03arildb r47680 10trunk/styles/layout/design.css [FIX] Make plugins (better) visible, when the inline editor is used with themes using a non-white background | [18:18] | |
| arildb | Hi Bsfez, you mentioned the need to move the inline styling out of the admin wizard, to make it scriptable. How should this be solved. Use design.css, or? | [18:20] |
| xavi | arildb, regarding wizards: there is some duplication of information (at least, lots of overlapping) between the hard coded description of a preference in the admin_xxx.tpl and the info shown in the popup box when passing the mouse over the icon of the question mark (defined in the description fields of the corresponding feature definition elsewhere in TIki) | [18:27] |
| arildb | Hi xavi | [18:28] |
| xavi | In addition, the screen is sometimes a bit cluttered with text all over the place. Example: templates/wizard/admin_wiki.tpl : there is lots of text all over the screen
so I was wondering whether it wouldn't be better if we improve the description in the pop up box (good anyways), and allow the user to pass the mouse over one icon of those questions marks to know more about one feature the interface would be way cleaner xavi in brainstorming mode ^ | [18:28] |
| arildb | The textual description should be checked/updated. I don't see a big problem with preferences being shown several places, e.g. categories. They are somewhat different cases. Yes, the admin_wiki page has quite a bit of text.
mouse of description. Helps content overload, but user must detect it, and a bit hadr to read several sections. Maybe a "more ->>" button, which pops a description section of the template page not pop, but makes an inline div visible Azure uses a nice help feature. The help button is at the bottom. Up pressed, the help screen open from the bottom and up. s/Up pressed/If pressed | [18:30] |
| xavi | ok, no idea myself (skills limited here) | [18:34] |
| arildb | If we made a special div id, e.g. wizardHelpSection, then have the wizard frame present the More->> button and if pressed, show the wizardHelpSection, which is defined in the page .tpl file
Maybe that can work? Then maybe get rid of all(?) help text in the main page section, but also develop the mouse-over descriptions. | [18:35] |
| xavi | mmmm, well, the other example was the structures page, which was clean with just the options (fairly descriptive themselves), plus the info shown in the popup over the info icon. Maybe this simple technical solution is enough? (once the user learns that this icon shows more info, then we are done, and we reuse the same system and info like elsewhere in Tiki admin panels?) | [18:37] |
| arildb | Yes, the structure page, I agree...but the options are kind of obscure without a description
I agree that the mouse over option is much cleaner | [18:38] |
| xavi | to me, the first parapgrah introducing the specific help screen is fine (again, like in the structures page), but then, we can re-use the system (and info, improved where needed) of popup boxes
I wonder why some preferences don't have the info icon and extra popup box xavi searches in the code | [18:38] |
| arildb | we can do that...develop the system preference descriptions and limited in page description to what is "required". An additional Help section may not be needed | [18:41] |
| xavi | yes, +1
and some of them show nothing because: 'description' => tra(''), | [18:41] |
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| xavi | Ok, I can help with that
btw, what did you have in mind for the user wizard? arildb ? ^ | [18:42] |
| arildb | user wizard...prime purpose validate that the wizard framework can be used with more wizards. Second reason, make a starting point for "user things", e.g. tutorials | [18:43] |
| xavi | ok. I presume that the first wizard for users might be the one guiding them over the user settings in Tiki | [18:44] |
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| arildb | maybe ... The framework seems to work well with both. So, it's there to be developed further | [18:45] |
| xavi | I mean, if MyTiki is enabled, and USer Preferences screen, etc., then show the user the basic first questions to set up his/her account to match his/her wishes: info public/private, languages, etc | [18:45] |
| arildb | yes...maybe that | [18:46] |
| xavi | Ok, I'll see how much time I can allocate for that during tomorrow
Once we have this basic user wizard in place, we'll need an extra option in the admin wizard: "Show user wizard on first login for new users: [ ]" | [18:47] |
| arildb | We should not enable the wizard at login time for user in Tiki 12.
This present additional complexities, which we should avoid right now. | [18:49] |
| xavi | nope, but let the tiki site admin do that id he/she wants in his/her site
for instance but anyway, step by step... this can be done later if needed (12.1, etc) | [18:49] |
| arildb | Somebody meantioned smething about a "start-up" module, which was run the first time a user logs in. This would run after the actual login, I assume
Does such a thing exist? | [18:51] |
| xavi | no idea
mmmm, in fact yes, there is some setting in an admin panel to send new users to one url once they are successfully validated and login for the first time,e tc. ^but this is a one-time approach better than nothing as a starting point... and the tiki site admin can choose to do that... (we can add that option somewhere in the admin wizard; maybe at the "Community" section) | [18:52] |
| arildb | I am sure this can be re-programmed, so it is opened repeatedly until the user checks "Don't open again" | [18:54] |
| xavi | ok | [18:54] |
| arildb | Using the login wizard can also be used to signal important messages, e.g. security alerts to admins, who can then maybe subscribe to them.
or important system messages to users | [18:55] |
| panamaus | oh my. my users are bugging out this morning because the user drop-down list in "tasks" has stopped working
I think my system has surpassed some arbitrary threshold of users that the drop-down feature of user lists converts to a standard text field entry how to fix this? hmm. | [18:57] |
| arildb | panamaus: How many users do you have? | [18:59] |
| xavi | arildb: nice | [18:59] |
| panamaus | arildb: 100 | [19:00] |
| arildb | panamaus: I am not aware of any such limit. 100 is not that many. | [19:02] |
| xavi | panamaus: check your "Admin home > Look and Feel > Pagination (4th tab): Maximum number of users to show in drop down lists"
present at least in Tiki9+ | [19:03] |
| panamaus | arildb: No, but if I delete one and have 99, my drop-down lists return. | [19:03] |
| xavi | panamaus: that's the setting that triggers the change, afaik | [19:04] |
| panamaus | xavi: Ah! Curious - my system is set to 50 | [19:04] |
| xavi | try playing with that setting | [19:04] |
| panamaus | xavi: thank you
arildb: thank you too! | [19:05] |
| arildb | :) | [19:05] |
| jonnyb | panamaus:
oops sounds like user tasks has some arbitrary limit set, so probably needs the code fixing | [19:06] |
| panamaus | jonnyb: yeah wouldn't surprise me. tasks is a little clunky | [19:07] |
| jonnyb | is an old feature, somewhat neglected | [19:08] |
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| need food etc, more tomorrow... | [19:26] | |
| xavi | welcome panamaus | [19:28] |
| Tiki-KGB | 03arildb r47681 10trunk/ 10lib/prefs/feature.php 10templates/wizard/admin_structures.tpl
[ENH] Cleanup the "structures" wizard detail page Use system descriptions for preferences. Develop them, rather than loading the wizard pages with text. [ENH] Add a description to feature: Open page as structure | [19:30] |
| panamaus | xavi: polom | [19:30] |
| xavi | hi panamaus
arildb: we are doing the same thing! (I already modified that, and have the strings saved in the corresponding prefs .php files) | [19:31] |
| arildb | ah...sorry ... go ahead | [19:32] |
| xavi | but have not commited anything yet | [19:32] |
| arildb | just over-write....I will stay off | [19:33] |
| xavi | ok, thks. I mean, this is something I can do with my skills set . You can do other things with your way-higher skills set :-) | [19:33] |
| arildb | :-) | [19:33] |
| Tiki-KGB | 03jonnybradley r47682 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/11.x 47381 to 47559
03yonixxx r47683 10trunk/lang/he/language.php * [TRA] hebrew translation progress | [19:36] |
| xavi | arildb: what should we do about this?: "PENDING: It should be possible to create and assign a dedicated file gallery folder for jcapture recorded files." | [19:37] |
| arildb | ah yes...I will take a lok at that | [19:38] |
| Tiki-KGB | 03tikii18nbot r47684 10trunk/lang/ 10(51 files in 51 dirs) * update language files with get_strings.php | [19:42] |
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[ENH]Clean interface a bit by means of moving descriptive text shown next to preferences in wizard screens into the description box shown upon mouseover next to each preference (thanks arildb). Minor layout improvements in some screens (jcapture & namespace). Distinguish pref names for show user's info on mouseover and improve description (thanks jonnyb) | [20:38] | |
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| Tiki-KGB | 03arildb r47686 10trunk/ 10templates/wizard/admin_jcapture.tpl 10lib/wizard/pages/admin_jcapture.php
[MOD] jCapture wizard detail page specifies the file gallery by name. It will be created if it doesn't exist. If it is already specified, the field is read-only. | [22:08] |
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| arildb | Does anybody user Wysiwyg in html mode AND the wiki text editor at the same time. Not configured both as active, but actually using both... | [22:29] |
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| arildb | ...another question, is anybody using only(!) the wysiwyg in wiki mode? Thus not using the wiki text editor
The questions are related to the design of the admin wizard marclaporte: What's your experience regarding these questions? | [22:31] |
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| marclaporte | arildb: I have historically avoided WYWISYG because it was experimental | [22:52] |
| arildb | ok | [22:52] |
| marclaporte | I felt that the issues were bigger than the benefits
But I look forward to dogfooding on *tiki.org | [22:53] |
| arildb | but maybe you know the preferences/common use of other html mode users? | [22:53] |
| Tiki-KGB | 03arildb r47688 10trunk/ 10templates/wizard/admin_wysiwyg.tpl 10lib/prefs/wysiwyg.php * [ENH] Clean up descriptions on the wysiwyg wizard page. | [22:56] |
| marclaporte | I know of some sites using WYSIWYG-HTML exclusively | [22:57] |
| arildb | yes, that's how I know it.
I believe this is the rule. So, maybe the admin wizard can drop the option "wisiwyg is optional" when HTML mode is selected. For wiki mode it is implicit if "wysiwyg is default" is selected. | [23:07] |
| marclaporte | Geoff is a good person to ask | [23:09] |
| arildb | ok | [23:10] |
| Tiki-KGB | 03arildb r47689 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_wysiwyg.tpl * [ENH] Some layout and text changes
03arildb r47690 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_editor_type.tpl * [ENH] Add some more space to the editor type wizard page | [23:12] |
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