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[03:04] Jurugo I'm a newbie. Are all the themes on the tikiwiki theme page available for 10.2? I'm hosted on bluehost
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[14:36] Tiki-KGB 03arildb r47790 10trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/autoToc.js * [FIX] Avoid JS error in AutoTOC. Thanks jonnyb
[14:40] arildb Hi xavi
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[14:44] arildb Alain mentioned that the admin wizard steps can be confusing. ... and I guess it can be a bit confusing being "forced" through many with lots of things which may be all new things.
[14:46] arildb Maybe we should a another "big button" on the first wizard page "Skip detail configuration",which would take the user to the last wizard page, where a profile can be run
[14:48] jonnyb hi arildb and all - thanks for the autotoc js fix (by why not use jQuery? ;) )
[14:49] arildb jonnyb: The code is from jcarter, and I integrated it. I am not aware of similar functions in jquery
[14:49] arildb I think the current implementation works well
[14:50] jonnyb yes, it's nice - so is this a 3rd party library? (in which case we shouldn't be changing it)
[14:50] jonnyb oh yes, it's the "WTFPL" one :)
[14:51] jonnyb so it's all not jQuery dependent - i only looked at the diff
[14:52] arildb WTFPL ilcense, yes :-) No not jquery dependent
[14:52] jonnyb btw, the jQuery version of that would be: $("#outerToc").css("opacity", 0.5)
[14:53] arildb sorry...jQuery is used I see ... should  change the call?
[14:55] jonnyb odd - just to use jquery once then ignore it - don't bother unless you want to rewrite the whole thing - i think we have more pressing things to do imho :)
[14:55] arildb yes, I will leave it
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[15:21] xavi polom
[15:21] xavi hi arildb
[15:21] arildb Hi xavi
[15:21] xavi reading the irc log....
[15:21] xavi "Skip detail configuration": good idea, as always
[15:24] arildb ok...I will wait for the branching which should occur soon
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[15:24] Tiki-KGB [FIX]i18n of 3 strings in the js part of a tpl file. Thanks luciash and jonnyb for tips on how to fix it.
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[15:33] xavi arildb, in addition, two more suggestions of improvements:
[15:34] xavi (1) indicate in a first screen (the first? a new second one?) to the new user that he/she is expected to pass the mouse over the info icon to get more information on each setting that is new to him/her.
[15:35] xavi (2) alternatively, tweak the code behind admin wizard so that when we say {preference name=foo} we can add a new param like: {preference name=foo showdesc=1}, and therefore, the description of that feature is automagically displayed in clear text before (or after) the feature name
[15:36] arildb Maybe hints can be used. I will check a little (later)
[15:36] xavi regarding (2), I "dislike" reqriting things over and over again, and that's why I suggest always if possible to improve the description of the feature, in the corresponding core php file for teh feature, so that this effort can be reused later anywhere else
[15:37] arildb yes, I agree
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[16:40] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Full time Tiki position in Montréal or Québec city - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49418
[16:46] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47795 10trunk/ 03templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_localfiles.tpl 03lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_localfiles.php
[16:46] Tiki-KGB [NEW] localfiles plugin: Assist in showing links to files or directories on local drives or shared file servers.
[16:46] Tiki-KGB Likely to only work fully on IE for Windows based intranets - more work to be done on behaviours for different browser types and security settings.
[16:46] Tiki-KGB See http://dev.tiki.org/item4534
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[17:14] Tiki-KGB [NEW] Add a "Use default preferences" button on the first admin wizard page.
[17:14] Tiki-KGB Make it easier to avoid stepping through the wizard and only use profiles
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[17:34] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47797 10trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php
[17:34] Tiki-KGB [FIX] wysiwyg: Restore the ckeditor html image toolbar item for html wysiwyg (thanks arildb)
[17:34] arildb jonnyb: great!
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[17:35] jonnyb arildb: seems to work ok here, i checked normal and both types of wysiwyg but not inline
[17:36] arildb jonnyb: I will chack a little now
[17:36] jonnyb still having trouble with toolbars admin though, see mail on devlist
[17:36] jonnyb thanks :)
[17:36] arildb s/chack/check
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[17:53] arildb jonnyb: I still get the img plugin for pages in html format (using inline editing)
[17:54] arildb same in the fullscreen editor too
[17:55] arildb Note: I had elFinder activated .... shouldn't matter, or?
[17:55] jonnyb yes, that does different things
[17:55] arildb ok. I will turn it off and try again
[18:02] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Simplest way to substitute links in a page - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49423
[18:03] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Use Zend_Currency for currency field type in trackers  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4776
[18:04] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r47798 10trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_files.php * [FIX] Perm checking error: cannot download when have perm
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[18:10] arildb jonnyb: I don't get any html img tags. Only plugins. Testing in FF
[18:11] jonnyb you added the "new" image tool?
[18:13] arildb I clicked on "Choose or upload images"
[18:13] jonnyb last time (around tiki 6 i think) when the tikiimage tool worked in different ways for html or wiki it got very messy and people wanted the "normal" wiki one as an option too, so now they are two separate toolbar items so admins can chose
[18:13] jonnyb choose
[18:13] jonnyb thats the wiki plugin tool
[18:14] jonnyb you need to go to toolbars admin and add the ckonly Image one too (or instead)
[18:14] arildb ok...will try
[18:14] arildb jonnyb: The table plugin in wysiwyg-html is using the wiki-syntax dialog. The CkEditor/html dialog is much better. The "templates" button should go. .... some thoughts
[18:15] jonnyb yes, too much to do always
[18:18] arildb yes, I understand.... I have had a look in toolbarslib, but I am pretty lost :-(
[18:19] arildb jonnyb: html img ok in fullscreen wysiwyg-html. Checking inline...
[18:21] arildb jonnyb: Inline editing just got much nicer!!
[18:21] jonnyb :)
[18:21] arildb new html syntax works really well
[18:22] arildb and resize image "on the go" ...excellent
[18:31] arildb jonnyb: elFinder insert the plugin code in the img dialog's url field, e.g. {img fileId="1" thumb="y" rel="box[g]"}.
[18:32] arildb ...after "Broswe Server"
[18:32] jonnyb oh? when i tried it (full page html wysiwyg) it entered "display42" in the url box
[18:33] jonnyb probably won't work from elfinder yet though
[18:33] arildb I tested using inline editing ... testing fullscreen editor...
[18:33] arildb same thing
[18:34] jonnyb with elfinder?
[18:34] arildb elFinder activated, then browsing for files using the new html img editor
[18:34] jonnyb switch to non-elfinder view - i didn't think that would work yet
[18:34] arildb El finder seems to find the file, but inserts the plugin code, instead of the file url
[18:35] arildb right
[18:35] jonnyb yes, it has no idea about ckeditor yet
[18:35] arildb The admin wizard sets the  Finder view to the defaul file gallery view. Is this ok?
[18:36] arildb ...if El Finder is selected
[18:36] arildb It certainly makes it a lot user friendlier to work with the galleries
[18:38] fabricius arildb:
[18:38] fabricius I do not agree
[18:39] fabricius because elFinder causes issues, when you want to use Tiki for hidden file galleries
[18:40] fabricius meaning a certain group that should get access to only one certain file gallery, should not see the other file gallery
[18:40] fabricius tiki_p_list_galleries has to be deactivated
[18:40] fabricius but then elFinder would not work
[18:40] fabricius el Finder lists all galleries or non
[18:41] fabricius you still can limit access, but you see them
[18:43] arildb fabricius: is this fixable?
[18:43] arildb The case exists with or without the admin wizard
[18:44] arildb maybe make the default view a part of the files wizard page, and keep the standard view as the default?
[18:45] arildb ...but explain that the Finder View must be enabled to have drag and drop?
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[18:50] arildb fabricius: I am adding the file gallery default view setting to the files wizard page
[18:51] arildb And will remove the "hard" setting of the default view
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[18:53] jonnyb hi fabricius - sounds like you should check out user file galleries, have done quite a bit of work on them since 9.x
[18:53] jonnyb need a break, mbbl
[19:26] arildb fabricius: I have added an option to set ElFinder as the default view. It is initially off. However, I am not quite happy with the result
[19:27] luciash polom
[19:28] arildb It adds an option: Set ElFinder as the default file gallery view. If checked, ElFinder is set as the default view. But I feel this is a "bug fix" option. As a user I may have difficulty understanding it. If ElFinder is active, I would expect it to be the default view
[19:29] arildb Maybe the problem case you mentioned is solved, as jonnyb indicated?
[19:29] * arildb thinks to commit or not to commit?
[19:31] luciash arildb: for newbie better would be something descriptive
[19:31] arildb luciash: any suggestions?
[19:32] luciash imho, something like "Use enhanced drag and drop interface for file galleries (ElFinder)"
[19:32] arildb yes, better
[19:33] arildb The feature description already says something similar.
[19:35] arildb The problem I have is, if I select ElFinder, (having a similar description) why should I then not chose to activate it? The extra choice seems to add "confusion"
[19:36] luciash dunno, where else is elfinder used ? if nowhere else, one checkbox should be enough
[19:36] arildb So the current el finder options read
[19:36] arildb 1) Use elFinder UI
[19:36] arildb 2) Set ElFinder as the default file gallery view. (can be improved)
[19:37] arildb To me it appears better to have only 1 choice. Nr 2 is implicit.
[19:37] luciash i would make it default and maybe add checkbox a "Use old school file galleries interface" instead (even)
[19:38] luciash if mature enough
[19:38] luciash as in stable
[19:38] arildb but then why would I enable ElFinder, if I wanted "old school"?
[19:39] luciash no, i mean only 1 option which would opt-out of these two preferences
[19:39] luciash i suppose it is two preferences because in future it can be applied not only to file gals
[19:40] Tiki-KGB 03alain_desilets r47801 10trunk/lib/ 10(7 files in 5 dirs) * - Marked several broken tests as Skipped.
[19:41] arildb luciash: I added option #2 just now locally based on comment from fabricius. I haven't committed yet. The commit state has only option 1 and sets the finder view the default gallery view, if elfinder is selected.
[19:42] arildb If I understand you right, you also prefer the commited state with only option 1, or?
[19:42] luciash arildb: but what would make people select elfinder first ?
[19:42] luciash arildb: yes
[19:42] arildb fabricius: What do you think?
[19:45] fabricius arildb luciash and jonnyb: I think "my usecase" is not so untypical if we abstrahise it - in specific, I did install a Tiki to provide private downloads to people from different peergroups. On eample peergroup is official people involved in my family-law-case ...
[19:46] arildb fabricius: Can you confirm that this is a problem when using Tiki 12?
[19:46] fabricius yes
[19:46] fabricius fresh installation (SVN)+
[19:46] arildb right
[19:46] arildb maybe setup a show instance?
[19:47] fabricius arildb luciash and jonnyb: the person(s) I give access to a certain file gallery shoiuld not even see which other file galleries I have or IF I have other file galleries ... but if I use the elfinder I HAVE to give the permission tiki_p_list_gallery in global permissions
[19:47] luciash ah, so elfinder is used elsewhere (plugin ?), then it makes sense to have it a separate option, ok
[19:47] arildb If this can be solved, would it then be ok to leave it as it is, i.e. Finder view is the default, if ElFinder is selected?
[19:48] Tiki-KGB 03alain_desilets r47802 03trunk/lib/test/wiki-plugins/TranslationOfTest.php
[19:48] Tiki-KGB - Created new plugin TranslationOf, which will assist in the translation of links to pages.
[19:48] fabricius arildb luciash and jonnyb: BUT instead I only want to give tiki_p_view for a certain filegallery, respectively for a category and categorise the file gallery
[19:48] arildb fabricius: Do you, or do you plan to, use ElFinder in any of these installations?
[19:48] fabricius yes!
[19:49] fabricius I use elFinder there, but not for limited external users
[19:49] fabricius let me explain the other way around:
[19:50] fabricius I give one of theses professionals a login/group without general permissions
[19:50] arildb This seems to be a bug like thing. Would be good to have a show case.
[19:50] fabricius but with tiki_p_view_filegallery for a certain gallery
[19:51] fabricius then for this group elFinder does not work - it stays empty with a non-access error message
[19:52] arildb fabricius: I think I understand the case, but show will have a better memory and easier to communicate. This sounds like something that needs fixing.
[19:54] arildb You also have the possibility of manually "correcting" the default after the wizard is run.
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[20:02] Tiki-KGB - Created new plugin TranslationOf, which will assist in the translation of links to pages.
[20:04] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Tiki 12 Branch & Profiles - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49424
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[20:36] fabricius arildb: sorry for disappearing - got some guest in the flat
[20:36] arildb fabricius: I will soon commit a "similar" solution. Looks better
[20:37] fabricius arildb: I could make up a showcase, but the next days I have no time for that
[20:37] fabricius sorry
[20:37] arildb ok... option coming soon
[20:37] fabricius arildb: the problem is always the non-experienced user and the non-tecchie
[20:39] fabricius arildb: I figured out and know now, but my eperience leads me to the focus to make a better user experience for new users, for less experienced users, for professional company users - always a matter of marketing aswell
[20:39] arildb PLease try the soon-to-be-commited change, when you get time.
[20:40] fabricius I will svn-up the existing site and eventually I can setup a "show-group" to test the setup
[20:41] fabricius an extension could be to make elFinder effectively usable without tiki_p_list_filegalleries and without global permissions at all
[20:42] fabricius arildb luciash jonnyb: the category permissions do not have the option tiki_p_list_galleries ... maybe it would be that simple to add this permission to category permissions?
[20:44] fabricius arildb luciash jonnyb: It would be fine, if elFinder lists all directories where the user has permission, but just should not list restricted galleries
[20:44] fabricius idea?
[20:44] arildb are you saying that tiki_p_list_galleries is only a global permission, and that it should be at object level, which will also enable category permissions?
[20:45] fabricius jup
[20:45] fabricius MAYBE that would fix the problem
[20:45] arildb I am not sure which implications that would have...
[20:45] fabricius either
[20:46] fabricius I mean if I have tiki_p_list for a category, I should be able to list those categorised galleries
[20:46] fabricius maybe worth to give it a try?
[20:50] arildb you can try it. Do you know how to change it?
[20:51] fabricius no, not being a coder
[20:51] fabricius could you help me?
[20:51] fabricius got to look into some code before - basic .tpl changes and tried to read some of the .php ... still very much groundworking
[20:51] arildb search for tiki_p_list_galleries
[20:52] arildb Let me search for you
[20:52] fabricius must go afk for just a few minutes
[20:55] arildb fabricius: I assume you mean the permission tiki_p_list_file_galleries
[20:56] arildb fabricius: in lib/userslib.php line 3569. It specifies tiki_p_list_file_galleries as a scope = global. Change it to object
[21:06] Tiki-KGB 03arildb r47804 10trunk/ 10lib/wizard/pages/admin_files_storage.php 10lib/wizard/pages/admin_files.php 10templates/wizard/admin_files_storage.tpl
[21:06] Tiki-KGB [MOD] Finder view is no longer auto-activated if elfinder is selected.
[21:06] Tiki-KGB Added elfinder detail section "Set ElFinder as the default file gallery viewer".
[21:06] Tiki-KGB Changed because of finder view side effects. Maybe revert when elfinder is more stable
[21:06] Tiki-KGB 03arildb r47805 10trunk/templates/wizard/admin_files.tpl * [ENH] Less spacing between the sections
[21:20] fabricius arildb: this did not do the job -> still error: "Invalid backend configuration. Readable volumes not available."
[21:20] arildb ok
[21:20] arildb did you clear the cache before the test?
[21:21] fabricius arildb: but actually the perm DID appear in category perms as you said (after clearing cache)
[21:22] arildb Maybe you come up with more ideas later...
[21:24] fabricius in my point of view elFinder can be the default view for groups which can be allowed to list all directories, but not global default
[21:24] fabricius standart Tiki works fine
[21:24] fabricius In this respect I see some parallelity between WYSIWYG and elFinder
[21:24] arildb I committed the admin wizard option, I mentioned. Please take a look when you have time
[21:25] fabricius I would never recommend wysiwyg as default setting
[21:25] fabricius I do in a few minutes
[21:25] arildb wysiwyg works well for me
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[21:38] fabricius arildb: I svn up now
[21:38] arildb ok
[21:38] Bsfez Hi all !
[21:39] arildb Hi Bsfez
[21:39] fabricius arildb: in trunk there is a folde /x - do you know what that is?
[21:40] arildb No I don't
[21:40] Bsfez branching is starting (time to think of a star name)
[21:41] arildb Beetlejuice?
[21:42] Bsfez lol
[21:46] arildb or maybe it's called Betelgeuse :-)
[21:48] fabricius arildb: you added this option: Set ElFinder as the default file gallery viewer. ?
[21:49] arildb fabricius: yes
[21:49] arildb it is no longer done automatically
[21:50] fabricius I think, a kind of remarksbox could be helpful with a note, that it works only if user can list all file galleries?
[21:50] fabricius Anyway the option is fine - I think it should not be ticked by default
[21:51] fabricius do you have any idea how to make elFinder working without global tiki_p_list_..
[21:51] arildb It only does that when the finder is the deafult view
[21:51] arildb fabricius: check with jonnyb
[21:51] fabricius does what?
[21:51] fabricius ah ok
[21:54] Bsfez yeah right Arild and it has already been used
[21:54] Bsfez return array(
[21:54] Bsfez 1=>'Spica',			// 0.9
[21:54] Bsfez 2=>'Shaula',		// 0.95
[21:54] Bsfez 3=>'Ras Algheti',	// 1.0.x
[21:54] Bsfez 4=>'Capella',		// 1.1.x
[21:54] Bsfez 5=>'Antares',		// 1.2.x
[21:54] Bsfez 6=>'Pollux',		// 1.3.x
[21:54] Bsfez 7=>'Mira',			// 1.4.x
[21:54] Bsfez 8=>'Regulus',		// 1.5.x
[21:54] Bsfez 9=>'Tau Ceti',		// 1.6.x
[21:54] Bsfez 10=>'Era Carinae',	// 1.7.x
[21:54] Bsfez 11=>'Polaris',		// 1.8.x
[21:55] Bsfez 1=>'Spica',            // 0.9
[21:55] Bsfez 2=>'Shaula',        // 0.95
[21:55] Bsfez 3=>'Ras Algheti',    // 1.0.x
[21:55] Bsfez 14=>'Betelgeuse',    // 3.x
[21:57] arildb polar star?
[21:58] arildb maybe that's "Polaris"...
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[22:30] Tiki-KGB 03yonixxx r47808 03branches/12.x * [BRANCH] Creation, branches/12.x 0 to 47807
[22:48] Tiki-KGB 03yonixxx r47809 10branches/12.x/lib/setup/wiki.php * [REL]Preparing 12.x
[22:58] luciash were there any star names candidates ?
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[23:08] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47811 10branches/12.x/tests/testfile.txt * [REL] test
[23:08] arildb Bsfez: I checked the $profilesLink variable, which was updated during the branching, but I could not find any other references, which means (I assume) that is it never used.
[23:09] arildb The profiles have been moved to the (last page of) the admin wizard.
[23:09] arildb There the links are hardcoded to tiki-admin.php?profile=&categories%5B%5D=12.x&categories%5B%5D=Featured+profiles&repository=http%3a%2f%2fprofiles.tiki.org%2fprofiles&page=profiles&preloadlist=y&list=List#step2
[23:09] arildb They all appear the same
[23:10] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47812 10trunk/tests/testfile.txt 10trunk/lib/setup/wiki.php 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 47807 to 47811
[23:21] Bsfez arildb: i saw it wasn't going anywhere on previous version but i preferred to follow the branching process step by step. ^^
[23:23] arildb ok
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