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[11:58] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Star name for Tiki 12 (Was Tiki12 + Community meeting) - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49607
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[12:16] Tiki-KGB [ENH]Multiuser Cache added: split apart cached files from different users for the same page or itemId. Thanks Moises for feedback
[12:48] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: double click opens editor - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=49609
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[13:38] Tiki-KGB [FIX] Make user preference "edit on double click" default to 'n' in the user wizard.
[13:38] Tiki-KGB Thanks jonnyb and xavi
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[16:44] mghamsari hi tikiwiki ppl, I'm a newbie and I had a question regarding permissions. How do we rebuild them? For now changes I make as admin aren't shown when I log out.
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[16:48] jonnyb Friday poloms
[16:53] ricks99 mghamsari: b sure to clear your tiki caches
[16:53] ricks99 and hiya jonnyb
[16:53] ricks99 mghamsari: changes normally take affect immediately
[16:54] jonnyb hi ricks99
[16:57] mghamsari ricks99: thank you
[16:57] luciash hoy !
[16:58] luciash mghamsari: try the icon to clear Tiki cache in the quickadmin bar
[16:59] luciash mghamsari: also depends what changes you mean
[17:02] mghamsari luciash: the changes only consist of adding a link to a few modules I have on the home page
[17:03] ricks99 mghamsari: if you've set a cache for the modules, will need to refresh Tiki caches. Also dont forget to clear your browser cache, too
[17:03] mghamsari ricks99: ok will try that
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[17:10] Tiki-KGB [FIX] autoToc: Couple of fixes for IE8 - header is a property and cannot be set, and String.trim() doesn't seem to exist, so use the jQuery one
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[17:20] xavi polom all
[17:22] xavi anyone good at "chosen"? I've just hit a bug in "Assign new module" when chosen is enabled. The dropdown shows no options, and once selected (nothing), the dropdown dissapears (!)
[17:22] xavi luci@irc maybe ^ ?
[17:25] xavi jonnyb, do you feel like helping me to understand the search types in Tiki? (I'm finishing the screen in the admin wizard, which aims to clarify this whole laberynth to end users in simple words)
[17:25] xavi oups, jonnyb is not here :-/
[17:26] xavi or maybe marclaporte is around ?
[17:26] * xavi pinging jonnyb by other means
[17:29] jonnyb 1 mo
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[17:30] Tiki-KGB [FIX] js various: Supply empty "defaultvalue" for prompt function - stops the word "undefined" appearing in IE
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[17:30] jonnyb xavi: with you in a few mins :)
[17:31] jonnyb meanwhile, have you seen https://doc.tiki.org/Unified+Index+Comparison?
[17:34] jonnyb ok, back - fire away :)
[17:34] xavi hi jonny@irc. Yes , I've read  those pages, but still a few questions
[17:34] xavi :-)
[17:34] jonnyb yes, it's a bit technical that one
[17:35] xavi I've found in the documentation (yes, I tend to be a lazy end user starting with the RTFM)....
[17:35] * jonnyb thinks xavi is more WTFM usually
[17:36] xavi :-D
[17:36] jonnyb so what do you need to know - shall we go to bob?
[17:36] jonnyb ha ha - bbb (autocorrect ;) )
[17:36] xavi ...that module search_box was used with "Basic Search" (tiki-searchresults.php), and module search_new used "Advanced Search" (tiki-searchindex.php)
[17:37] xavi but in Tiki12, only module "search" is found, with dozens of settings....
[17:38] jonnyb yes, marclaporte got me to merge the various search modules into one years ago, probably should have dropped some of the silly params by now...
[17:38] jonnyb but that one works in old mysql search mode and uni-search
[17:38] xavi so If I understand correctly, when Basic Search is on, module search uses Basic Search (tiki-searchresults.php), regardless of the preference choice for Advanced Search (Unified index, etc; tiki-searchindex.php )
[17:40] jonnyb if you have both on then Bad Things will happen (probably)
[17:40] xavi so, what is param "Legacy mode" for? will it change the default php file used for search???
[17:40] xavi Legacy mode: Setting to emulate previous behaviour. Default: "" ("search"=search_box, "page"=search_wiki_page, "quick"=quick_edit)
[17:41] jonnyb no, that was to emulate "quick edit", "search-box" etc old modules
[17:42] jonnyb (the idea was to remove quick_edit but someone made a load of changes to it before i managed to work out a migration script
[17:42] jonnyb )
[17:42] xavi yes, exactly: the "search-box" is tied to Basic Search...
[17:42] jonnyb i think they were marked as deprecated at the time
[17:43] xavi I'll try the weird setup: Basic Search off, but module search with Legacy mode "search"=search_box
[17:45] xavi the sad thing is that in a simple test site I have (profile r_test applied), I search for "wordcloud", which is found in only one wiki page, and with Basic Search, I found it; with Advanced search (and default settings; index rebuilt), no match found. :-(
[17:46] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47980 10(11 files in 8 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 47971 to 47979
[17:46] jonnyb seems odd
[17:46] xavi I had a similar result in a production site (intercanvis.net) weeks ago, when I was testing the whole thing... :-(
[17:46] jonnyb using which uni-search engine/s?
[17:46] xavi I'll reproduce in show.t.o, if you wish... it's odd indeed, and happened to me several times, different tiki sites, sizes, etc.
[17:46] jonnyb yes, please do :)
[17:46] xavi uni-search: Lucene
[17:47] xavi default settings in most if not all cases
[17:47] jonnyb and is the index there? (and have stuff in?)
[17:47] jonnyb in temp/
[17:47] xavi good question.... :-) I just fired it through the admin panel.... I'll have a look
[17:47] xavi well, it reported 15 wiki pages, 6 tracker items
[17:48] xavi so something was found by it....
[17:48] * xavi going to dig in the file system
[17:48] jonnyb that's a good sign (if that's what you have)
[17:48] xavi yes
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[17:50] jonnyb hi marclaporte
[17:50] xavi mmm, jonnyb, how do I know if the index is there and some good stuff is inside?
[17:50] xavi I see some files in temp/unified-index/
[17:51] xavi and some of them are "lock" files (zero bytes)
[17:51] xavi segments.gen (20 bytes)
[17:51] xavi segments_6 (41 bytes)
[17:51] jonnyb sounds about right
[17:51] xavi _3.cfs (11103 bytes, seems binary)
[17:52] xavi _3.sti (376 bytes; long string of codes...)
[17:52] xavi ok
[17:52] jonnyb yes, it's all binary stuff, just the fact they're there is good
[17:52] xavi I'll reproduce in show.t.o this issue
[17:52] jonnyb ok, will have a look when ready
[17:55] xavi oups, weird message: I changed uni-search to Mysql Full Text search. Cilcked at rebuild index, and I saw a ermarksbox at the top saying "Error(s). No index available.", even if the search admin panel showed the index results: 15 pages, 6 tracker items
[17:57] xavi anyway... bug reporting in process...
[17:58] jonnyb yes, i get that "no index" error sometimes when switching - it usually doesn't happen again
[17:59] xavi ok
[18:06] xavi :-/ show.t.o instance creation fails for me nowadays
[18:07] xavi who should be pinged about it? Jyhem ^ ?
[18:07] xavi maybe disk full again or something?
[18:07] xavi ^ jonnyb
[18:07] jonnyb hmm, luckily not my department ;)
[18:07] xavi :-D
[18:07] jonnyb can you get demo.t.o to do it?
[18:07] xavi ok, I'll try
[18:08] xavi oups, demo misses 12.x
[18:08] xavi I'll try with trunk
[18:11] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Advanced search (uni-search) fails while Basic search founds the search string  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4797
[18:12] xavi he he, jonnyb : reproduced in http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/ . See here ^
[18:12] * jonnyb looks
[18:13] jonnyb i searched for "tiki" and found a few - looks ok to me
[18:13] xavi see the steps to reproduce in http://dev.tiki.org/item4797
[18:14] jonnyb word cloud finds stuff
[18:16] xavi mmmm, you are not following the steps. The strig to search is "wordcloud", no spaces :-)
[18:16] xavi s/strig/string
[18:16] jonnyb yes, i know, sorry - i did that first
[18:17] xavi ok :-)
[18:17] jonnyb and see no results
[18:17] xavi enable basic search, and you'll see 1 match
[18:17] jonnyb Lucene weirdness i'm afraid
[18:17] xavi mysql FTS in uni-search produces 0 results also (after index rebuilt, of course)
[18:18] jonnyb word*cloud works ok
[18:18] xavi only Basic Search finds it
[18:18] jonnyb hmm, weird indeed
[18:19] xavi I had a similar experience with tracker items, I search for "cherrytree", there is one item which contains "cherrytree" in the description, and no mtches with any of the unified search engines, but only with the Basic Search
[18:19] jonnyb something for lphuberdeau i think?
[18:20] xavi My conclusion is that, we are not ready to disable the Basic Search in favor of the Unified Search only searches
[18:20] xavi maybe
[18:21] xavi ok, back to refining the screen for "search" in the admin wizard, so that others can review the text and improve (reduce, clarify, correct, etc.). We need to help new tiki admins understand all this so that they can decide what type of search they want to use, how to set it up, etc.
[18:22] jonnyb i just added word cloud to a page on my localhost and it gets found
[18:23] jonnyb wonder if it's something to do with the profile installer?
[18:25] jonnyb both 12 and trunk are ok here with finding word cloud when added normally by editing
[18:25] jonnyb but not on demo...
[18:27] jonnyb i just added it to the top of the homepage and now it gets found...
[18:28] jonnyb ah, in your example the word wordcloud is inside a plugin (which oddly doesn't get rendered on http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=r_test5)
[18:28] jonnyb maybe that's why?
[18:32] jonnyb looks like plugin source doesn't get indexed - guess it should?
[18:33] jonnyb maybe a mail to the dev list...
[18:35] luciash mghamsari: just a note. if you put it on HomePage inside the part of GROUP wikiplugin which is visible only for Admins, then it will not be visible to Anonymous...
[18:36] xavi jonny@irc: good catch. However, there are a few prefs to exclude plugins from uni-search, and I had them all disabled, so that plugnis are supposed to be indexed, then?
[18:37] xavi complex laberynth...
[18:45] xavi ok, commited
[18:45] xavi back to search emails for the newsletter
[18:46] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r47981 10branches/12.x/ 10tiki-wizard_admin.php 03lib/wizard/pages/admin_search.php 03templates/wizard/admin_search.tpl
[18:46] Tiki-KGB [ENH]Screen to help tiki admins to setup search feature/s. New short sentences added willing to summarize the state of the art, and simple executive-summaries from all those sources of technical pages in dev about Search. Improvements welcome to help new tiki admins find their way to set up effective search configurations for their sites (if this is still confusing to experienced
[18:46] Tiki-KGB tikiwikiusers, imagine newcomers...). Thanks jonnyb for feedback
[18:50] jonnyb xavi: not sure what unified_excluded_plugins does, i added img to it and reindexed but it still did find my test alt tag i was searching for
[18:50] xavi btw, jonny@irc, this bug might fail in your department: http://dev.tiki.org/item4796 (related to Vimeo, regression after upgrading a 7.x or 9.x site)
[18:50] xavi unified_excluded_plugins: ok. hopefully lphuberdeau will know
[18:51] xavi s/fail/fall
[18:51] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - show.t.o instance can't be created  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4798
[18:54] xavi mmmm, and does anybody know if Boolean Search ( with these syntax options: http://doc.tiki.org/Search+User#Boolean_search ) is applicable to Basic Search, and all cases of Unified Search (Lucene, MysqlFTS, and Elastic Search)?
[18:55] xavi I know I can test all caes myself, but I was thinking that maybe someone knows from the top of his/her head, and I can skip this new "trial and error" again
[18:56] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47982 10branches/ 10(5 files in 3 dirs)
[18:56] Tiki-KGB [bp/r47978][FIX] js various: Supply empty "defaultvalue" for prompt function - stops the word "undefined" appearing in IE
[19:01] xavi mmmm, another failure of unified search :-/. Searching two terms "+foo +bar" works well in Basic Search (found both only in 2 pages), and Advanced Search (lucene, so far), fails: shows 3 matches, but only two are valid, the third one only contains "foo", not "bar".
[19:05] jonnyb don't you need foo and bar in uni-search? (different)
[19:05] xavi and when I set "Lucene Default Boolean Operator" to "AND", then I get just one page as a result (but "bar" is present in a string link "toto-bar-blabla...")
[19:06] xavi searching for "foo AND bar" didn't work for me. And after RTFM, I learned that I have to add "+" to require that the term is present in all results
[19:06] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47983 10branches/ 109.x 109.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-connect.js 109.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-maps.js 109.x/tiki-editpage.php
[19:06] Tiki-KGB [partial bp/r47978][FIX] js various: Supply empty "defaultvalue" for prompt function - stops the word "undefined" appearing in IE
[19:09] jonnyb in Lucene (probably the others too) if you want to match partial words you need to use wildcards - so *bar* should match toto-bar-blabla
[19:10] xavi ah, ok. that's different behavior than in the "Basic Search", then. Should this be pointed to end users in the admin wizard, search screen?
[19:10] xavi maybe not, since it's a starting point for them...
[19:11] jonnyb indeed
[19:12] jonnyb i think uni-search is more like how "other" search engines work - and people can always read the help :D
[19:12] xavi :-)
[19:20] jonnyb http://demo.tiki.org/12x is now open for business :)
[19:21] xavi :-)
[19:21] xavi thks
[19:21] * jonnyb hopes he did it right
[19:38] Tiki-KGB 03robertplummer r47984 10trunk/ 10(33 files in 11 dirs)
[19:38] Tiki-KGB [MOD]Renamed ForwardLink-Protocol to FutureLink-Protocol, refined integration, and relocated.  Changed "ForwardLink" to "FutureLink" and "TextLink" to "PastLink"
[19:38] Tiki-KGB [NEW]Added class "Type", to make IDE integration a bit easier
[19:38] Tiki-KGB [MOD] Refine the object structure of html feed so that there is no casts being made
[19:44] xavi wohooo, robertplummer is back!
[19:47] * changi_ will start alpha => any objection ?
[19:48] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47985 10branches/12.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl
[19:48] Tiki-KGB [FIX] tracker files: Use js to access galleryId and filter vars so only one copy of this code gets added to the page. Reduces problems with multiple files fields on one form.
[19:48] jonnyb hi changi
[19:48] jonnyb go for it - that was the last fix i had for it, so excellent timing! :)
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[19:59] xavi +1 changi_
[19:59] xavi enough for me for today
[19:59] xavi cheers
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[20:00] jonnyb bye xa
[20:00] jonnyb vi...
[20:00] jonnyb changi: i'll lurk nearby, will try and test later
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[20:15] changi jonnyb: what is the name of the release ?
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[20:19] jonnyb hi Bsfez - also good timing
[20:19] Bsfez Hi Jonny !
[20:19] jonnyb changi: i guess it's 12.0alpha
[20:20] Tiki-KGB 03alain_desilets r47986 10trunk/lib/tikilib.php * [Fix] Added missing require for Tracer.php in tikilib.php.
[20:20] Bsfez you finished everything ?
[20:20] Bsfez Marc wanted me to add a theme i have done and he liked
[20:20] jonnyb everything? i doubt it
[20:20] Bsfez lol
[20:21] jonnyb last chance to add stuff
[20:22] Bsfez even a theme ?
[20:23] Bsfez i have two things i'm late with :
[20:23] Bsfez this theme and delivery rtl compatibility for fiveaive themes/options
[20:26] changi Bsfez: should i wait ?
[20:26] changi jonnyb: was talking about the star name
[20:27] Bsfez I guess for the star they were 3/3 votes for Altair :)
[20:27] jonnyb i think the general consensus on the dev list was for Altair (12th brightest ;) )
[20:28] changi ok
[20:28] jonnyb I guess Pascal has final say - we could always change it for the beta if needed
[20:29] jonnyb it's the nice bit of being Release Manager :)
[20:29] changi :)
[20:30] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47987 10branches/12.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Preparing release of 12.0 Alpha
[20:30] changi Bsfez: can i start ?
[20:31] Bsfez jonnyb: you here ?
[20:31] jonnyb yes, still here
[20:31] Bsfez changi: one sec, got case to solve with jonnyb
[20:31] Bsfez ok
[20:31] jonnyb (but need food soon)
[20:31] Bsfez What do you suggest about the theme things...
[20:32] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47988 10branches/12.x/tiki-objectpermissions.php
[20:32] Tiki-KGB [FIX] perms: Trigger the change event on the "beneficiary" checkboxes properly - makes it a bit better but still not 100%
[20:32] changi poke me when you are reade
[20:32] changi s/reade/ready
[20:33] Bsfez Fivealive to rtl can't break anything and i'm not even sure it is an enhencement (actually all the t.o can't work if hebrew is selected)
[20:33] Bsfez it is :
[20:33] Bsfez 1/ make the header notch inversed (rtl)
[20:33] jonnyb sounds complicated - maybe save it for after the alpha?
[20:33] Bsfez 2/ create an rtl css with rtl is used (should be empty
[20:34] Bsfez as BiDi is already made for fivealive
[20:34] Bsfez yes sure i just mean it wait after alpha is released but will be included for t12
[20:34] Bsfez we ok on this ?
[20:35] jonnyb i guess so - changi is ready to do the alpha release, and this sounds too complicated for me now - need food
[20:36] Bsfez ok
[20:36] Bsfez so we release Alpha now
[20:36] jonnyb changi: poke?
[20:36] Bsfez theme + rtl for fivealive will wait
[20:36] Bsfez changi: double poke ! :D
[20:41] Bsfez changi: we are good to release
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[20:56] changi let's start
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[20:58] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47989 10branches/12.x/README * [REL] Update README file for 12.0alpha
[21:02] Bsfez changi: tks and sry for the last second delay
[21:08] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47990 10branches/12.x/ 10(51 files in 51 dirs) * [REL] Update language.php files for 12.0alpha
[21:14] changi >> Changelog updated with 556 new commits (revision 47988 to 47240), excluding duplicates, merges and release-related commits.
[21:16] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47991 10branches/12.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 12.0alpha
[21:26] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47992 10branches/12.x/copyright.txt * [REL] Update copyright.txt for 12.0alpha
[21:30] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47993 03branches/12.x/db/tiki-secdb_12.0_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 12.0alpha
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[21:32] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47994 03tags/12.0alpha * [REL] Tagging release
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[21:45] * jonnyb sees http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/47994
[21:46] jonnyb changi: ping me the tarballs are up  [:)
[21:56] changi upload in progress
[22:01] changi jonnyb: files are uploaded
[22:01] jonnyb super, thanks
[22:02] changi jonnyb: can you do the merge to trun k?
[22:04] Tiki-KGB 03changi67 r47995 10branches/12.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Closing release
[22:04] jonnyb sure
[22:05] jonnyb downloading the gz one
[22:16] jonnyb looking good changi, 12.0alpha gz tarball downloaded and installed fine, thanks! :)
[22:18] jonnyb committing branch update now - no conflict on version (checked)
[22:20] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47996 10(62 files in 58 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 47979 to 47995
[22:26] * jonnyb sees r47995 and thanks changi for it ;)
[22:27] jonnyb nite nite
[22:35] changi nice
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