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[02:14] ashylarrythecabl hi, anyone here?
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[03:49] micheal99 Hi, I need help with setting ads, anyone here?
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[04:28] fabricius micheal99: hi, still there?
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[10:06] csasalu What are the pros and cons of tikwiki when compared to Drupal
[10:16] fabricius Hi csasalu
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[10:34] csasalu Hi Fabricius
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[11:09] fabricius are you still there csasalu? hopping on and off a bit
[11:10] fabricius the pros and cons of Tiki compared to Drupal ...
[11:10] fabricius that depends on the use case and how good you know the system
[11:11] fabricius there are thing you can do with Tiki, which you cannot do with most other systems including Drupal
[11:12] fabricius on the other hand, if you know Drupal and you need certain things, where Drupal is specialised for, you might be better of with that
[11:13] fabricius Tiki is very good, if you want a quick to use, yet extendable Wiki or a quick web vcard based on wikipages
[11:14] fabricius especially with the new Tiki pre-13 and the Bootstrap integration
[11:14] fabricius Tiki is maybe first choise, if you want to avoid external plugins, yet need a lot of features and functions
[11:15] fabricius you can use Tiki as a content management framework
[11:15] fabricius the community is a very good point for Tiki
[11:16] fabricius Tiki has its bumps and holes, yet I love to work with it, as it is very good in a lot of things
[11:19] fabricius I mean, if you compare a Seahawk Helicopter and a Mack Road Train Truck, you'll find out, that both can transport things from A to B
[11:19] fabricius the truck can drive longer distances than the Seahawk flies and the Truck can carry more and heavier loads, yet it can neither swim nor fly ... it really depends on what you want to do
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[11:27] fabricius In my point of view Tiki is like ship ... a helicopter carrier with Seahawk and a bunch of cars and smaller vessels.
[11:27] fabricius All out of the box included ... install and use, whilst for the car you would need no extra licence, the helicopters and the ship and vessels need a few more instructions.
[11:27] fabricius Still you can keep the ship and vessels in the harbour and just use the cars for the start.
[11:27] fabricius Drupal seems more to be like the harbour with a garage of cars or vans. sure you can get vessels, ships and helicopters to the harbour from external sources. But tightly integrated are just the cars and vans.
[11:27] fabricius So you must compare a lot of factors and for a project the software is only a bunch of factors to compare ... personnel, support, budget, etc. etc. etc.
[11:27] fabricius Hi Telesight
[11:33] Telesight Hello fabricius
[11:37] Telesight You are in a poetic mood?
[11:42] fabricius hehe ... this was just a different sort of picture for a mor technical/specifical explanation above, just before you entered
[11:42] fabricius but yes, in a way I am
[11:42] fabricius do you like it?
[11:42] fabricius the story of the Tiki ship ...
[11:43] fabricius or the flying submarine
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[11:54] Telesight Tiki is like an expressomachine, all is there to enjoy, with Drupal the deciding moment the coffee is missing ...
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[12:06] xavi polom....
[12:06] xavi Happy New Tiki-year to all
[12:08] xavi fabricius & Telesight: feel free to help Marc documenting the objective differences between pairs of software ("Tiki vs ..." pages)
[12:08] xavi i.e.: http://tiki.org/Tiki+vs+Drupal
[12:08] xavi You might add a new section entitled "Explained in a poetic mood..." (or similar)... ;-)
[12:11] fabricius xavi, I just wanted to answer the question of the other guy as good as possible ... to write such a pairing, I would want to have a more brief knowledge of the compared app ... but "Explained in a poetic mood" is a nice idea
[12:12] fabricius PS xavi, did you read the wikiLingo mail?
[12:12] xavi wikiLingo email: not read yet
[12:12] fabricius please comment and importantly answer questions! I need questions to be asked for preperation of the lecture
[12:13] * xavi in a hectic mood to finish a first version of https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12from9
[12:34] * xavi finished first draft, and updated the left-column menu in doc.t.o: "New in version" accordingly
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[12:58] jonnyb 2014 poloms
[12:58] xavi :-)
[12:59] jonnyb hi xavi, how you?
[12:59] xavi hi jonnyb! welcome to the 2014 Tikiverse!
[12:59] jonnyb thanks :)
[12:59] xavi fine, thanks. Last surgery was magic for my body. :-)
[13:00] jonnyb wow, glad to hear it
[13:00] jonnyb so a good xmas etc i hope?
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[13:02] xavi yes, it was :-) And you?
[13:06] xavi jonnyb, btw, if you move some production site from Tiki 9 LTs to Tiki12 LTS, and you want to tell your customers what's new with such change, I finished a first merge of doc pages here: https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12from9
[13:07] jonnyb xavi: xmas was good thanks, didn't look at a single line of code! :D
[13:07] xavi I needed that for users of sites where I'm admin and I upgrade from LTS to LTS, so I thought that it might be welcome for others
[13:07] jonnyb i'm getting redirected to the installer - i hate that!
[13:07] xavi he he, that's good news, then :-)
[13:08] xavi oups
[13:08] jonnyb was a "fix" in 12 not to show the "cannot connect to database" message but to go straight to the installer instead - bad idea...
[13:09] xavi some sort of message "Site is being upgraded" for the periodic daily upgrades to *.t.o sites might be better... changi, what do you think?
[13:27] jonnyb xavi: wow, https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12from9 (finally loaded) is huge! well done and thanks!
[13:28] xavi you are welcome! Tiki improvements in Tiki12 from Tiki9 are huge indeed! :-)
[13:29] xavi btw, jonnyb, is there an easy way to add some external package to composer, but remove the "fat" from that package through some automated procedure already?
[13:30] jonnyb yes, there's a CleanVendors object that gets called after the install...
[13:31] jonnyb lib/core/Tiki/Composer/CleanVendors.php
[13:31] xavi case: anythingslider-themes. I added a few extra ones for our http://doc.tiki.org/PluginSlider , but the package in github contained many images, which added extra weight (+1Mb), and license issues
[13:31] jonnyb you added them to vendors_extra right? should work fine...
[13:32] xavi aha.... maybe then there is a better way than just what I did in r49306
[13:32] xavi I added by hand the needed files at vendors_extra folder...
[13:33] jonnyb probably easier in this case
[13:33] xavi ok
[13:33] jonnyb if there's more to delete than keep
[13:33] xavi yep
[13:52] jonnyb having trouble logging in to dev.t.o - anyone else? (tiki.org seems ok)
[14:09] Jyhem_laptop polom and happy new Tiki-year !
[14:10] jonnyb hi Jyhem_laptop , Tiki New Year to you too :)
[14:10] Jyhem_laptop hi xavi, hi jonnyb
[14:11] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: I agree with you. "cannot connect to database" is useful info. getting to the installer is not
[14:11] xavi hi Jyhem_laptop!
[14:11] xavi Jyhem_laptop: you'll like this: http://r.tiki.org/r_test10_clickme
[14:12] xavi jonnyb, you too, even if you don't use PluginR for production, you'll like those interactive charts generated in wiki pages ;-)
[14:12] Jyhem_laptop xavi: I spend tomorrow with Joël :-) I don't think we showed you what we did with our custom R plugin :-(
[14:12] xavi "what we did ... :-( "?
[14:13] xavi sad because of what you did, or because you didn't show me? :-)
[14:13] xavi ^ Jyhem_laptop
[14:14] Jyhem_laptop because you didn't see it. I thought he showed and he thought I did
[14:14] xavi :-D
[14:14] * Jyhem_laptop looks at clickme
[14:15] jonnyb re the no more db errors tying i added a comment to https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12#Decision_needed (and am giving up again now)
[14:16] luciash polomyall
[14:16] Jyhem_laptop Happy Tiki Year luciash
[14:16] xavi hi luciash!
[14:16] luciash Jyhem_laptop: you too :)
[14:16] luciash hola xavi !
[14:17] xavi :-) did you melon seeds produce some fruit at some point in 2013?
[14:17] xavi ^ luciash
[14:17] xavi s/you/your
[14:18] luciash xavi: unfortunatelly i put them outside too late it seems, they only managed to bloom in time but then they did not catch before winter so no fruits produced :)
[14:18] xavi oups.... maybe next time, within 2014? :-)
[14:18] luciash xavi: and it is much colder here than in Barcelona generally you know
[14:19] xavi I know, I know... but I was surprised that they produced seedlings already in your garden (was it a greenhouse?)
[14:19] luciash maybe, yep, i need to start early this year ! i have several seeds left just in case ;)
[14:19] luciash yup, a folio-house
[14:20] xavi he he... seeds are magic! Re: I updated my own tiki site: "Seeds for change" ;-) http://seeds4c.org
[14:20] luciash cool ! i need to check it out
[14:20] xavi and I recently made public the configs of my dual boot or tri-boot computers, etc.
[14:20] xavi plus other documentation page that I formerly kept only for myself...
[14:21] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Column spacing question - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=50839
[14:21] xavi he he, luciash, whatch out the improved plugin slider in Tiki12.x, being in use at the homepage ;-)
[14:22] * xavi back to updating profile r_test with the clickme example
[14:22] luciash xavi: lively ! very nice :)
[14:22] xavi :-)
[14:24] luciash xavi: do u have something about the seeds there actually or just computer stuff ? :)
[14:25] xavi he he, some place holders for "biological seeds", plus "knowledge seeds", plus "digital seeds" (online and offline), etc.
[14:25] xavi using "seeds" in a more general way, not only for biological seeds.
[14:26] luciash xavi: and can i switch the site to english ?
[14:26] luciash xavi: i see
[14:26] luciash :)
[14:26] xavi switch to English? Isn't it in English for you????
[14:28] Jyhem_laptop xavi: clickme is amazing. Especially the interactive way to deal with hiding/showing stuff in example 2. I just printed a page and the hidden colors actually stay hidden in the print version. Joël needs to see that !
[14:28] xavi wohooo! :-)
[14:29] luciash xavi: nope, catalan :)
[14:29] xavi luciash: about the language in that page. I did notice something weird, and maybe that's the same that you saw. Did you ask because of the language of the comments section?
[14:30] xavi The site is in English: see left column: Mobile: "Switch to mobile site" (this is not Catalan)
[14:30] xavi plus "Login", etc.
[14:30] Jyhem_laptop Right now I have a tiki-plugin with drop-downs for homogeneous groups selection and then refresh the page. Now it could be interactive ^^
[14:30] xavi is the problem just with the comments section for you?
[14:30] luciash xavi: ah, ok, it seems i was browsing to some cataln content page and it switched the interface automagically, ok, no prob then :)
[14:31] luciash xavi: plus yes, comments stay in catalan always
[14:31] xavi @luciash: aha, ok
[14:31] luciash xavi: "Comentaris"
[14:31] xavi yes :-) This seems to be a i18n-bug
[14:34] jonnyb xavi: is the page https://dev.tiki.org/make+a+wish+-+thank+you to do with you? It says IN BIG WRITING to click the watch icon but as that's set by default now clicking on it would unlatch the item...
[14:35] xavi jonnyb: I didn't do that. And yes, I noticed that it's never been working properly. However I didn't find out how to fix properly, so I left as is...
[14:36] xavi jonnyb: I just edited that page every now and then to (aim to) improve the contents
[14:36] jonnyb me too - was just wondering...
[14:37] jonnyb (will get back to the many bugs!)
[14:37] luciash jonnyb: it watched whole tracker for me at some point instead of my item by clicking it
[14:37] jonnyb ew, nice
[14:37] jonnyb (hi luciash :) )
[14:40] luciash hoy jonnyb :)
[14:41] jonnyb i got an email about my new wish, so at least that bit works :)
[14:41] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: white page on show php error = no - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=50841
[14:41] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Re-validate user by email no longer seems to work (pref: email_due)  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5085
[14:51] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - After validation new users don't get redirected to their group home page  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5086
[14:52] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r49326 10branches/12.x/lib/init/tra.php * [FIX] tr: missing global
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[15:44] Tiki-KGB [MOD] .htaccess in temp allows js and css files, so that scripts for the R clickme package can be much shorter reusing getwd() for the output path.
[15:46] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r49328 10(12 files in 10 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 49287 to 49326
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[15:50] Jyhem_laptop luciash: Central European Summer Time Tiki Fest / Camp sounds great :-) I'm interested :-)
[15:50] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r49330 10trunk/lib/init/tra.php 10trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 49326 to 49329
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[15:51] Jyhem_laptop On a not quite unrelated note: who is coming at Fosdem ? Put your names here: https://tiki.org/TikiFestFosdem2014 !
[15:51] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Many-to-may relations not working in 12  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5087
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[15:57] jonnyb polom marclapo1 and marclaporte  :) Tiki New Year!
[16:00] marclapo1 polom jonnyb  and happy new year as well :-)
[16:00] jonnyb :)
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[16:14] Jyhem_laptop Happy Tiki new year, marclaporte :)
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[16:15] Jyhem_laptop see you in Fosdem ?
[16:16] marclaporte Jyhem_laptop: hope
[16:16] marclaporte Jyhem_laptop: no
[16:16] marclaporte Jyhem_laptop: I wish you all a fantastic event!
[16:17] marclaporte FOSDEM is special
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[16:21] Jyhem_laptop :'-(
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[17:08] luciash re
[17:08] * luciash is back
[17:09] luciash Jyhem_laptop: u r welcome; i do not see it bright for me regarding FOSDEM tho, sorry
[17:28] Jyhem_laptop Curious people getting to http://show.tiki.org/ will now be less confused, I hope
[17:32] marclaporte Jyhem +1
[17:32] marclaporte even better to link to a page about show on dev or doc
[17:33] Jyhem_laptop in addition or instead ?
[17:35] marclaporte addition
[17:51] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Score feature got system error using MySQL 5.6.16  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5088
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[18:58] xavi time to disconnect for me (ubuntu upgrade time)
[18:58] xavi see you
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[19:31] new1 Hi, unable to use adavanced image editor in which i can make thumbnails, aligning image in center, changing sizes, and all, earlier it was there is previous release but i dont see it in 12..
[19:43] Jyhem marclaporte: added
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