[00:15] Robert___ im roberto
[00:15] Robert___ from argentina
[00:16] Robert___ and im searching a new cms to my website ciudadpolitica.org
[00:32] refizul Robert___: hi
[00:32] refizul Robert___: hablo ingles
[00:34] refizul Robert___: What is your question about CMS or especially Tiki?
[00:36] refizul Do you already use Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware?
[00:37] refizul Or is this website a xoops installation right now?
[00:38] refizul Do you need advice to migrate to Tiki on technical level?
[00:38] refizul Do you need advice whether to migrate or not on philosophical level?
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[00:50] Robert___ sorry tel
[00:52] Robert___ wait please
[01:28] Robert___ here im
[01:28] Robert___ sorry
[01:28] Robert___ tel
[01:28] Robert___ my grandma
[01:28] Robert___ My website is now in xoops
[01:28] Robert___ Its an old version
[01:28] Robert___ I like to migrate
[01:29] Robert___ To a cms more oriented to community but with semantics for resources
[01:31] Robert___ this is very good site http://www.aster.it/tiki-index.php
[01:46] refizul .
[01:47] refizul So what stops you from migration?
[01:48] Robert___ i dont know tikiwiki
[01:48] refizul You like to migrate, so just do it if you think Tiki is appropriate for you.
[01:48] refizul ok
[01:49] refizul How much time do you have to administrate the page in average?
[01:49] refizul 2h a week?
[01:49] Robert___ all a day a half an hour
[01:49] refizul this is 3h a week approx
[01:50] Robert___ and how about the security?
[01:50] refizul how much time do you have to spend on migration?
[01:50] Robert___ one week
[01:50] refizul one week full or only private time?
[01:51] Robert___ private time
[01:51] refizul how much is this in hours a day?
[01:51] Robert___ but the migration its not about the whole site
[01:52] Robert___ 2 hours
[01:52] Robert___ i have two question
[01:52] Robert___ one about security
[01:52] Robert___ and the other about the upgrade
[01:52] refizul migration will need to become confident with Tiki - first do a test installation and play around. Maybe 2-5h to get an impression
[01:52] Robert___ ok
[01:53] Robert___ and how about spanish translation?
[01:53] refizul at the beginning, you need some time to adjust Tiki to your needs - including language specification
[01:54] refizul My spanisch is quiet poor, but Tiki is quiet ok AFAIK
[01:54] Robert___ i speak a poor english
[01:54] Robert___ but understand all
[01:54] refizul Tiki is a multilingual system - this was the main reason for me to go here
[01:55] refizul At least one of the coders is from Spain
[01:55] refizul eh - not coders, but contributors
[01:56] Robert___ im know php
[01:56] refizul language is not something to worry if you use Tiki - you can improve missing translations
[01:57] refizul do you have got opportunity to test it?
[01:57] refizul an old PC somewhere or a virtual machine?
[01:57] Robert___ yes, i have a hosting server
[01:58] Robert___ with apache and mysql
[01:58] Robert___ www.ciudadpolitica.org/social
[01:58] refizul so: do a test installation and play around for 1-2 days
[01:58] Robert___ ok, i do this
[01:58] refizul it took me 2 hours to see the potential and I loved it
[01:59] refizul then go step by step and try do do stuff and more stuff
[01:59] refizul then go step by step and try to do stuff and more stuff
[02:00] refizul you will know in less than two days whether Tiki is good for you or not
[02:01] refizul once you migrate - you won't regret it
[02:01] refizul if you need foo or bar (as a blog or a forum or...) later - just activate it. no more installation
[02:02] refizul now about your points above
[02:02] Robert___ yes
[02:02] refizul upgrade and security
[02:02] Robert___ im uploading now the zip in the server
[02:02] refizul Tiki is renewed each 6 months, and each 18 months there is LTS
[02:03] Robert___ i upload the 12 version
[02:03] refizul and there are intermediate updates inbetween
[02:03] Robert___ ok
[02:03] refizul follow the update manual on website and things will be smooth
[02:04] Robert___ good
[02:04] refizul security issues will be fixed in intermediate updates
[02:04] refizul LTS is supported longer
[02:05] refizul former 3.5y or something, now we choosed a 5y lifecycle
[02:05] Robert___ searching for security issues i see this http://www.hacking-etic.cat/?p=823&lang=es
[02:05] Robert___ its in spanish
[02:07] Robert___ you use tikiwiki or are a coder?
[02:08] refizul http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle
[02:08] refizul I am a low level coder, more administrator and user
[02:10] Robert___ of tiki or a other website?
[02:10] refizul https://dev.tiki.org/RoadMap
[02:11] refizul I contributed some PHP code and shell to improve administration
[02:11] Robert___ ok, maybe i need to wait the  Tiki13    (  Tiki13 is planned for April 2014 )
[02:12] Robert___ what its your opinion?
[02:12] Robert___ i hace 16000 members
[02:12] refizul I do more stuff C++ and infrastructure in virtualization
[02:12] Robert___ i have 16000 members, but only 2000 active
[02:12] refizul My opinion is, you should be conservative and take Tiki 12 LTS, and have an eye on Tiki 13
[02:13] Robert___ ok, i see, thanks
[02:13] Robert___ thank you for your attention
[02:13] refizul if Tiki 13 is okay, you can switch to Tiki 15 next year
[02:14] Robert___ OK! and how about the responsive design? and the html5 validate?
[02:14] refizul no problem, you're welcome in the Tiki community
[02:14] Robert___ i read tiki its very complete but the modules are coding independents (sorry for my english =)
[02:15] refizul resp. des. is not my field of experience, but you can ask Torsten about that during the next days
[02:15] refizul he will be back here in IRC in a couple of days
[02:16] refizul look for a nick starting with fab[...]
[02:16] refizul he does Bootstrap design as well
[02:16] Robert___ here in Argentina a big site with Tiki is http://biblioteca.fadu.uba.ar/tiki-index.php
[02:17] Robert___ Ok, i try to contact him
[02:17] Robert___ 12000 files remaning =)
[02:17] refizul AFAIK the origins from Tiki are in South America
[02:18] Robert___ seriously? Good
[02:18] refizul I guess Brazil
[02:18] Robert___ i discover, because im searching for a semantic site
[02:18] Robert___ i see too mediawiki
[02:19] refizul without the idea of Free Software - we would have exploited this idea as well as anything you can provide. Shame on "first world" governments
[02:19] refizul but Tiki community gives everything back to the whole world
[02:20] Robert___ Ok
[02:22] Robert___ Thank you refizul
[02:24] Robert___ i will eat in the dinner now
[02:24] Robert___ my english is similar to a robocall
[02:24] Robert___ =)
[02:24] Robert___ see later
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[04:32] Robert___ hi
[04:32] Robert___ 3700 files left to upload all the tikiwiki
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[05:42] Robert___ oh no
[05:42] Robert___ my php is 5.2
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[15:20] Roberto___ hi everyone
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[17:55] xavi luciash: ?
[17:57] xavi I need some help with the trick of the post-it note (and therefore, the profile I created for it), because I can't manage to get it closed after page reload
[17:58] xavi the example in http://doc.tiki.org/post-it works (placed inside the wiki page), but not when the equivalent code is placed in "Admin home > L&F > Customization fields"
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