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[05:14] Tiki-KGB Add some documentation for the new commands for the now deprecated installer/shell.php
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[10:12] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Not working properly - Searching for contents within files in File Gallery  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5193
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[10:21] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: demo.tiki.org's Trunk version search problem. - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51911
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[11:42] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Since today morning I have lost Chosen - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51912
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[11:56] chibaguy polom
[11:57] chibaguy luciash, what is you who yesterday got this error: Fatal error: Call to a member function add_log() on a non-object in C:\BitNami\wampstack-5.5.8-0\apache2\htdocs\Tiki\Trunk\lib\userslib.php on line 237 ?
[11:57] jonnyb hi chibaguy!
[11:57] chibaguy Hi jonnyb :-)
[11:57] jonnyb you in Toronto?
[11:58] chibaguy Nope. Still in Japan. I'm a virtual TikiFester this time.
[11:59] chibaguy TikiFestant?
[11:59] chibaguy TikiFester TikiFestee ?
[11:59] marclaporte hahahhaha
[11:59] chibaguy Will you be able to join the BBB session?
[12:00] jonnyb TikiFester sounds like Uncle Fester a bit
[12:01] jonnyb yes, i'll be there - 10 o'clock?
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[12:01] chibaguy Hmm, 9:30 or 10
[12:02] chibaguy I think the 10 a.m meeting may start at 9:30.
[12:02] jonnyb :)
[12:02] chibaguy Anyway that fatal error only appeared after the "enter your tiki" click at the end of the install. Trying again to view the page results in success.
[12:03] marclaporte chibaguy: your last search and replaced changed db/tiki-secdb_12.1_mysql.sql
[12:03] jonnyb coolio, think that's 15:00 for me here - good as i need to do some errands
[12:03] chibaguy Yeah, marclaporte, I wondered if it was wrong to replace that, should I revert it?
[12:04] chibaguy (I mean in the sqls.
[12:04] marclaporte those files should be deleted
[12:04] chibaguy oh, ok.
[12:04] marclaporte they are specific to each release
[12:05] chibaguy ah, I wondered about the 12.x references.
[12:07] marclaporte they are signature for security. If file changes, so does signature
[12:07] marclaporte but don't worry about it
[12:08] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50876 10trunk/db/ 04tiki-secdb_12.0_mysql.sql 04tiki-secdb_12.1_mysql.sql * [KIL] Deleting release-specific files. Thanks, Marc.
[12:08] chibaguy Oh, uh, ok.
[12:08] marclaporte they should get deleted as part of the release process. https://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Delete_secdb_files_from_previous_versions
[12:09] chibaguy I see.
[12:09] marclaporte ok, great, so one of the steps for 12.1 is done :-)
[12:09] chibaguy :-)
[12:09] marclaporte it's really nice to see all those Bootstrap commits
[12:10] chibaguy Yeah, progress. :-) I'll be back online in a few hours. Getting close to my train stop.
[12:31] luciash polom
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[12:33] luciash hi jonnyb
[12:33] luciash to chibaguy, when he comes back, yes that was the error
[12:34] luciash it seems tiki log related... got it at the end of the installer and when trying to log out
[12:34] jonnyb hi luciash (back with coffee)
[12:38] * luciash too :)
[12:45] luciash oh how i hate when my email client crashes just when i finished writing an email message :(
[12:46] jonnyb ew, nasty
[12:46] * luciash goes to buy more RAM :-p
[12:48] luciash ah, great, lunch here
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[12:58] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50877 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * Add latest aFarkas/html5shiv 3.7.1 to composer
[13:00] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50878 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * Add latest ezyang/htmlpurifier 4.6.0 to composer
[13:06] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50879 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * Add latest jquery/jquery 1.11.0 to composer
[13:12] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50880 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json
[13:12] Tiki-KGB Add latest jquery/jquery-ui 1.10.4 to composer (1.10.3 can be removed if/when 12.x is updated to this)
[13:16] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50881 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json
[13:16] Tiki-KGB Add latest jquery/jquery-timepicker-addon 1.4.4 to composer (and removed 1.2.2 as no longer used  11.x & 12.x are on 1.4)
[13:20] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50882 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json
[13:20] Tiki-KGB Add jquery/minicart 2.6.1 to composer (not updating to latest 3.x version yet as it's totally different, sadly)
[13:22] luciash back
[13:22] luciash minicart, is that something related to Tiki cart ?
[13:23] jonnyb hi luciash - sort of - it's a cart for paypal, bypasses the tiki one
[13:23] luciash ah, so we do not use it yet with B, right ?
[13:24] jonnyb no, it's only for simple e-commerce sites really
[13:24] luciash do we have a wikiplugin or module or other fluffy for it ?
[13:25] jonnyb coo, we're quite out of date on colobox
[13:25] luciash coo :)
[13:25] luciash :D
[13:27] jonnyb i'm thinking that releasing 12.1 is becoming quite a blocker now, as i can't see us branching 13.x until 12.1 is out, and the composer externals need upating for that, so tha'ts why i'm adding these updates now...
[13:30] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50883 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * Add latest jquery/plugins/colorbox 1.5.8 to composer (and remove unused 1.4.14)
[13:32] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50884 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * Restore jquery/plugins/colorbox 1.4.14 which is still used in 11.x
[13:36] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50885 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json
[13:36] Tiki-KGB No change - reorganising ckeditor composer entries according to version, not component
[13:39] luciash jonnyb: i see
[13:39] jonnyb it's so dull... :(
[13:39] marclaporte jonnyb: +1 to the Satis cleanup
[13:39] jonnyb thanks marclaporte :)
[13:39] marclaporte There is at least one thing I don't get with the Satis / Composer stuff
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[13:40] marclaporte Why can't the Github tags (for versions) be used
[13:40] jonnyb i thought they are, aren't they?
[13:41] marclaporte ex.: https://github.com/harvesthq/chosen/releases
[13:42] marclaporte So Github knows each version and since most are using SemVer, it makes sense
[13:43] jonnyb but we use a zip for most of these js libs - currently https://github.com/harvesthq/chosen/releases/download/1.0.0/chosen_v1.0.0.zip for that one, which is the zip for the 1.0.0 tag
[13:45] marclaporte It's strange that we can't just say v 1.1 of  https://github.com/harvesthq/chosen/
[13:46] jonnyb i think it's becasue composer is for php packages really
[13:46] marclaporte Of even better, 1.x and get upgrades
[13:48] marclaporte I like this one :-) http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/50878
[13:50] marclaporte jonnyb:  this will help you: https://www.versioneye.com/user/projects/530909c2ec1375065e000296
[13:52] jonnyb i don't really understand it all, just having a go as no one else is - mainly copy and pasting i'm afraid - best to ask lphuberdeau for the details ;)
[13:53] jonnyb i'm mainly working form https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki+12+Composer+Dependencies
[14:01] jonnyb marclaporte: i finally logged in to versioneye but that link just goes to the home page...
[14:01] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: trunk composer problem - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51920
[14:06] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50886 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json
[14:06] Tiki-KGB Add latest ckeditor 4.3.4 components to composer (and remove unused 4.2.1 - 11.x is on 4.1.1, 12.x is on 4.2.3 which seems to be latest for 4.2.x and trunk will be on 4.3.4 soon)
[14:21] luciash gotta handle some kids, bbl (pop-up in BBB maybe later too)
[14:27] Bsfez There you are ! :D
[14:27] Bsfez Hi All
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[14:46] mike88 possible to get a little help for a newb?
[14:48] mike88 backlinks not showing up, categories plugin displaying ALL categories instead of actual categories
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[15:04] Tiki-KGB [MOD] benchmarking apply button on admin pages, making Reset button less scary. will do the rest if this is sample is acceptable
[15:08] Tiki-KGB 03gezzzan r50888 10trunk/templates/admin/include_look.tpl * [FIX] oops, div closing character was missing
[15:12] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r50889 10trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl * [FIX] This template was replaced
[15:18] Tiki-KGB 03gezzzan r50890 10trunk/templates/admin/admin_navbar_menu.tpl * [FIX] fixing theme control link and moving to generic menu
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[15:23] luciash locate cd /Applications/Terminal.app
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[15:32] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r50891 10trunk/ 10lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js 10lib/smarty_tiki/function.favorite.php * [FIX] Merge conflict in javascript file, broken favorite toggle
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[15:40] jonnyb repolom
[15:40] luciash re
[15:41] * jonnyb catches up on 24 skype messages and 15 emails missed in the last half hour...
[15:41] luciash on my old device from car (parked ;)
[15:42] jonnyb is it bbb time now?
[15:43] luciash check the wiki
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[15:43] luciash there is actual time if u r not on ssl
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[15:56] ricks99 polom y'all
[15:57] jonnyb hi ricks99
[15:57] ricks99 Quick Tiki 12 question... I'm getting "no route found" errors when I try to save pages. I've tried toggling the sefurl on/off, but no difference. Any ideas? something on the server to check?
[15:57] jonnyb we're in bbb http://tiki.org/live
[15:57] ricks99 hiya jonnyb
[15:58] ricks99 ah... i'll take look
[15:58] ricks99 hows tikifest going?
[16:00] Tiki-KGB 03patrick-proulx r50892 10trunk/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl * Bootstrapped the tiki-change_password.tpl
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[16:11] jonnyb hi mike88 - did you ever get a reply to your queries (ages ago)?
[16:24] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r50894 10trunk/ 10(6 files in 4 dirs) * [ENH] Converting flaggedrevisionlib
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[17:18] Tiki-KGB [FIX] elFinder: Update rebuilt elFinder with latest from Studio-42/elFinder (seem to fix the button issue, nothing else broken that i can see)
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[17:33] ricks99 anyone have ideas about my "route not found" issue? ^^
[17:36] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50899 10trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.tabset.php * [REF] Remove redundant legacy classes.
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[17:39] jonnyb sorry ricks99 - lost this window...
[17:40] jonnyb i'm not seeing that - is it coming from route.php do you think?
[17:40] ricks99 y. generated as a error catching in route.php
[17:40] jonnyb is standard LAMP server?
[17:41] ricks99 but (from what i can see) is only suppsoed to occur when the link is ivnvalid (e.g., 404 error).
[17:41] ricks99 y.
[17:42] jonnyb check the pache error_log - there should be more info in there i believe
[17:42] ricks99 on hosted. will see if it isavailable
[17:42] jonnyb a-pache ;)
[17:43] ricks99 but it isn't an "error" per-se, will it be in log?
[17:43] jonnyb yes, should be
[17:44] jonnyb route.php triggers one with the full url and the server query string
[17:44] ricks99 ah. i see.
[17:45] ricks99 lemma fiddle and simply echo the error (can't find the log)
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[17:46] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50900 10trunk/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl * [REF] Removing now-unneeded element.
[17:46] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50901 10trunk/styles/layout/tiki.css * [REF] Remove unneeded legacy classes.
[17:51] ricks99 wtf? somethinge else going on. i've actually deleted route.php and i still get the message. i might have something else screwed up
[17:52] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50902 10trunk/ 10styles/snow.css 10styles/utopias.css * [REF] Remove unneeded legacy classes.
[17:52] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50903 10trunk/styles/darkshine.css * [REF] Remove unneeded legacy classes.
[17:53] ricks99 got it
[17:53] ricks99 here's the msg from the error log: No route found - full:/rick/BRANCH-12-x/tiki-editpage.php query:
[17:54] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50904 10trunk/styles/layout/tiki.css * [REF] Remove unneeded legacy classes.
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[17:57] ricks99 hm... looks like {$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']} is empty
[17:57] jonnyb that's odd - should have the page name in it
[17:58] jonnyb hi xavi
[17:58] ricks99 and only having issue when editing pages
[17:58] xavi hi jonnyb & ricks99
[17:58] jonnyb actaully the page name would be in the POST, not GET params so probably wouldn't show up there
[17:59] ricks99 hm.. the only thing posted to the log:
[17:59] ricks99 error_log("No route found - full:$full query:{$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']}");
[17:59] jonnyb wonder if it's becasue it's  2 dirs down? /rick/BRANCH-12-x/
[17:59] ricks99 $full = looks like the url
[17:59] ricks99 $query is empty
[17:59] ricks99 hm...
[18:00] ricks99 having the same issue at root (working in the "rick" directory for testing)
[18:00] jonnyb is that really where the file is compared to the DocRoot? /rick/BRANCH-12-x/tiki-editpage.php
[18:00] ricks99 yup. foo.bar.com/rick/...
[18:01] jonnyb definitely odd then... a look through the phpinfo output might shed some light - regarding paths etc?
[18:02] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r50905 10trunk/ 10templates/tiki-editpage.tpl 10tiki-editpage.php * [FIX] Fatal error after smarty upgrade on tiki-editpage
[18:02] ricks99 thanks. will check
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[18:04] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50907 10trunk/templates/styles/mobile/tiki-view_tracker_item.tpl * [REF] Replace legacy rules with Bootstrap class.
[18:04] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r50908 10trunk/lib/wiki/wikilib.php * [FIX] Internal server error when using wiki cache
[18:05] ricks99 possibly something host specific - as i've not had problems on other sites
[18:06] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r50909 10trunk/templates/tiki-view_tracker_item.tpl * [REF] Replace legacy rules with Bootstrap class.
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[18:12] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r50910 10trunk/lib/userslib.php * [FIX] Fatal error
[18:12] ricks99 hm...now i'm seeing 403 errors. maybe there's a mod_security rule on host causing an issue.
[18:13] jonnyb was going to suggest some sort of security thing might be getting in the way...
[18:15] ricks99 yeah. i think theres a mod_security rule interfering with tiki-edit.php. but would be nice if route.php told me that to begin with! :)
[18:15] ricks99 time for luch break. thanks for pointers jonny
[18:15] jonnyb ok, byee
[18:19] xavi mmm, may I ask if there is any plan to release tiki12.1 (or 12.1beta) in the following days? Or what is stopping us to release 12.1?
[18:20] xavi I recall that you jonnyb asked/suggested last week to set one day to release 12.1beta...
[18:20] luciash re-polom
[18:21] jonnyb yes, we really should at least release a beta - i'm not aware of any real blockers but people keep coming up with spurious (ihmo) ones
[18:21] xavi +1 to release a 12.1beta asap
[18:25] fabricius Hello, any news about the actual TikiFest, any wiki page, scheduling for online participation ...?
[18:25] jonnyb some people are in bbb - we have a sort of 10 o'clock meeting a ferw hours ago
[18:25] jonnyb lost of info on the wiki page
[18:26] fabricius jonnyb, would you please be so kind to send the link to the wikipage? Stuck in work, but coming to the bbb in a few minutes
[18:27] jonnyb trying to find it, message deluge...
[18:28] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r50911 10trunk/ 10lib/headerlib.php 10composer.json 10composer.lock * [MOD] update jquery to 1.11.0
[18:28] jonnyb https://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha
[18:28] jonnyb fabricius:  ^^
[18:29] jonnyb hi here too xavi
[18:29] jonnyb so whole volunteers to release 12.1 beta? :)
[18:30] jonnyb whole/who
[18:30] xavi +1
[18:30] * xavi rises his hand
[18:31] xavi and someone suggested that 13.x shouldn'0t be branched until until 12.1 is real ease... so maybe the tikifesters in Toronto might be interested in getting a 12.1 out while they are there in Toronto?
[18:32] xavi getting help by people not in toronto, I mean (to prevent too much distraction from there, since the agenda in there seems quite full)
[18:33] jonnyb i think so yes, we stop semi-auto-merging when 12.1 is out and that becomes LTS - i think it would be bad to branch 13.x before that
[18:39] Bsfez Hi all
[18:39] jonnyb hi Bsfez
[18:39] Bsfez release is in the air ? :D
[18:39] jonnyb has been for a while ;)
[18:43] jonnyb Bsfez: xavi said he would have a go at releasing 12.1 beta some time (not now i presume)
[18:45] xavi what about tomorrow Thursday morning (like 9h UTC time)?
[18:45] * marclaporte is getting "No route found. Please see http://dev.tiki.org/URL+Rewriting+Revamp" on latest 12.x when trying to logon
[18:45] Bsfez not now is good
[18:45] Bsfez 9UTC is fine with me
[18:46] jonnyb 9utc should be ok for me too - will be around to help test
[18:46] marclaporte r50837 is suspicious
[18:46] jonnyb xavi: how about doing a mail to the dev list?
[18:47] Bsfez on the task already :)
[18:47] xavi thks Bernard (I would have done it myself otherwise)
[18:47] jonnyb marclaporte: i agree - didn't like the look of https://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/50837 this near a release but didn't test
[18:48] Bsfez Xavi ;)
[18:49] jonnyb obivously not being able to log in to 12.x is a blocker ;)
[18:49] jonnyb although my local is fine
[18:50] Bsfez Guys ? 12.1 Beta ?
[18:50] Bsfez (beta)
[18:51] jonnyb yes, beta (as someone insisted on an alpha)
[18:56] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r50912 10trunk/ 10(11 files in 7 dirs) * [ENH] Replacing the common cluetip usages
[18:56] marclaporte running composer and empyting cache seems to have helped
[19:02] xavi nelsonko: I notice that the list of recordings in live.t.o became rather short. Any clue where all the other recordings are and if there will be some way to have them available for playback again at some point?
[19:02] Bsfez Kids running around… cu l8r
[19:03] xavi it seems that the server for the bbb meetings for tiki became a different one than the usual...
[19:03] nelsonko xavi: I'll check with Fred, we moved servers because the old one is a legacy dedic and he has a new load balanced architecture now
[19:04] xavi ok, in theory in the bbb-setup list they say every now and then that migrating recordings between servers is possible and easy (even If I didn't succeed between two servers of my own in one case when I tried)
[19:04] nelsonko The old one was crashing a fair bit when we tried yesterday
[19:05] nelsonko xavi: fred says he will move them over and will let me know after - later today
[19:05] xavi ok, great
[19:06] xavi nelsonko: I see nextdoc.t.o and nextdev.t.o to be available online again. Congrats!
[19:07] xavi nelsonko: 2 questions still: (1) shouldn't we add some popup for authentication with next next, to prevent google & other bots  indexing them?
[19:07] xavi (2) mothers.t.o is still complaining about missing php 5.5
[19:08] xavi amette around?
[19:08] nelsonko right makes sense
[19:08] * xavi wonders which operating system & version & details amette used for that new server
[19:08] nelsonko yes he is around amette
[19:08] xavi s/mothers.t.o/mother.t.o
[19:09] * xavi wonders if amette and nelsonko (and other admins) did read this section: https://tiki.org/CommunityCoordinationPlanning#Server_management
[19:10] xavi section "2.6.2. O.S. and whether Control Panels"
[19:11] amette heya xavi and nelsonko :)
[19:11] xavi hi amette! :-)
[19:11] amette xavi : check out http://nxt.tiki.org/
[19:11] nelsonko xavi: yes I had a look it is a good time to start the discussion, and when we get to Germany DevOps tikifest might be a good time to actually implement something, rather than just talk.
[19:12] xavi amette: wohoo, Debian with nginx!
[19:12] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Releasing Tiki12.1 Beta - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51932
[19:13] amette :)
[19:13] xavi "rather than just talk", well, Nelson, you did take some decisions already, and a new server is up, etc. (so I guess it has been "just talk", but rather acting before discussing, it seems)
[19:14] xavi s/it has been "just talk"/it has NOT been "just talk"
[19:16] xavi about discussing: I suggested "Shouldn't we keep critical servers with at least 2 sysadmins with root access to them? (to reduce the high bus factor we currently have, and increase our resilience?)"
[19:16] nelsonko xavi: well, moving the server was more of a "fix" for now, but I refer to OS and whether control panel topic
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[19:18] xavi amette: could you please add your knowledge here?: https://tiki.org/CommunityCoordinationPlanning#Servers_list
[19:19] nelsonko xavi: sharing pw is not difficult on clipper-z for example, but the issue is more that it is often that sysadmin do not like each others to make config changes to others systems. It is too haphazard. To increase our resilience might imply a major documentation overhead, but maybe we need it or maybe not - this has yet to be discussed
[19:19] xavi and indicate, for instance, which server is nxt.t.o installed at (I guess the same one where nextdoc and nextdev?), etc.
[19:20] xavi nelsonko: which is a pity, with the current scenario, was that I might have been interested in offering my time and even hosting for mother.t.o, but since we work the way we work, it's been difficult for months to get something out of it...
[19:20] nelsonko yes nxt is just the machine name
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[19:22] xavi and I still have no clue where the issue is... I only know that mother.t.o contniues to be  down I don't know why
[19:22] nelsonko xavi probably your fns is not updated
[19:22] nelsonko dns
[19:22] xavi and you seem to be busy, willing that other help to take some of your commitmetns, but this will not happen magically, if the environment doesn't ease the task for others to know where and when to help, how, etc.
[19:23] nelsonko If you set your etc/hosts file to point to it as indicated as my email said, you can get to it right away
[19:24] * xavi fetching the email of the last day
[19:24] nelsonko I can also create account for you to copy stuff out of changi's server, but I would recommend you don't change anything.
[19:25] nelsonko there are a whole bunch of sites that would benefit from being somewhere else
[19:26] amette xavi: https://tiki.org/CommunityCoordinationPlanning#Servers_list
[19:27] amette I removed the sort plugin and added my opinion on how to order that list
[19:27] amette on that list are domains, not servers currently
[19:27] xavi ok, thks
[19:27] amette so als nelsonko said: nxt.t.o is the server and it hosts the domains nextdoc.t.o and nextdev.t.p
[19:27] amette o even
[19:27] amette and hopefully mother soon
[19:30] xavi amette: do you have any tip regarding this? https://tiki.org/CommunityCoordinationPlanning#Tiki_free-for-limited-time_hosting:_offer_free_tiki_site_to_get_new_admins_self-trained_testing_it
[19:30] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r50915 10trunk/ 10(25 files in 12 dirs) * [ENH] Remove cluetip
[19:32] * jonnyb waves goodbye to cluetip (thanks lphuberdeau)
[19:33] lphuberdeau it was quite a bit of CSS
[19:33] amette well, as you wrote, setting it up is not really hard, we can basically clone show. it then needs a control server, which for show is dev. So ok, it is a bit bigger action, but already done once for show, so it's fine. Where I see more of a problem is the organisational part. Who checks the free sites for spammers? who manages the money? etc.
[19:33] * xavi waves also (and recalls robertplummer saying "The force is strong with you [lp]")
[19:34] nelsonko It's 1.30 here and we are thinking of going to lunch atm :)
[19:34] jonnyb hmm, the user info popups are a bit... simpler (like now just has an interger in instead of user info_
[19:34] xavi amette: do you mind dropping your thoughts on that page, please?
[19:35] xavi nelsonko: when is the meeting with the other guys scheduled for: in 30 min?
[19:35] nelsonko xavi: the clearOS guys, in 3 hours
[19:36] nelsonko sorry, I mean 2.5 hours
[19:36] xavi ah, ok, thks (in 2:30h, according to the schedule in the tiki13 alpha page)
[19:36] amette and regarding the 2+ sysadmins per server: nelson is right, sysadmins are quite allergic to others messing with their systems and I out of respect never do that until explicitly asked. To reduce the bus factor the login should be possible for multiple people on a standard server imho, but there should be some rules, e.g. "Respect the environment", "Fetch data only", "Don't mess with anything" or such.
[19:36] xavi yes, that's it
[19:37] amette that way we stay responsive. it's how it worked with nextdoc/nextdev, too - I just fetched data from changi's server and we're back in the game
[19:37] xavi amette: great, can you drop your draft rules there also? I fully agree with you, but some rules might help loose fear that others can access the server that only one person manages, etc.
[19:38] amette sure, I'll add my 2cents to the page
[19:38] xavi regarding teams, I also proposed some rules (3 rules, as a starting point). Maybe some short list of rules (3?) for sys admin servers might be a good reference guide
[19:38] xavi thks
[19:39] jonnyb also now the context menus on file galleries don't do anything any more... the cluetip removal might take some significant tidying up
[19:40] lphuberdeau hmmm... weird scrollbar on http://nextdoc.tiki.org/Tiki12 (and most other wiki pages I've looked at)
[19:42] * luciash hopes waving goodbye to cluetip is not just that but there is a working replacement already or at least a good plan
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[19:44] luciash weird scrollbar is because someone messed up with codemirror syntax highlighter or the code has change ... it usually appears on pages where code plugin is using codemirror - no idea why (i fixed it once already and do not plan to repeat)
[19:44] luciash iiuc
[19:44] lphuberdeau luciash, cluetip is fully replaced by bootstrap popover
[19:45] luciash lphuberdeau:  excellent
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[19:46] luciash amette: problem with sysadmins is they are lazy to document anything they change - thus they want to manage servers on they own than willing to share it
[19:47] luciash amette: hi bro, btw, long time no see
[19:47] nelsonko btw, admin modules selection of proper tab (due to links such as the edit button) needs to make use of new # bootstrap style links. the whole page needs clean up too
[19:48] nelsonko (in terms of weirdness in input element widths)
[19:50] luciash i tried with #tab2 or #contentt_admin_modules11-2 too, none works on tiki-admin_modules.php
[19:51] amette luciash: hi bro
[19:51] luciash the whole code needs to be rewritten maybe
[19:52] amette luciash: well, if you pay me a manmonth to write an IT concept which covers all the design decisions... from then on, I'll happily document any single change!
[19:53] luciash any idea why so ugly logo ? ->
[19:53] luciash http://nextdoc.tiki.org/preview909
[19:54] amette luciash: and not willing to share is almost an insult... I offered three rules up there which allow anyone to have a look at my setup and copy it - just don't mess with it!
[19:54] nelsonko luciash: this works for me http://nextdoc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_modules.php#contentt_admin_modules11-3
[19:54] luciash amette: was not directed at you ;-)
[19:54] amette luciash: ok then ;)
[19:55] nelsonko lp said after lunch he might want to try change it to use names, because if there are different number of tabs depending on perms etc, it is going to get the wrong tab at times
[19:55] nelsonko (but IMO, that is an existing problem, i.e. it always never took account that)
[19:55] nelsonko ok, lunch for real now. be back soon
[19:56] jonnyb ok, bye bye 'festers - see you tomorrow
[19:56] luciash nelsonko: weird, not for me: tiki-admin_modules.php#contentt_admin_modules11-2
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[19:56] amette yeah, same here
[19:56] jonnyb (off out in an hour or two)
[19:56] amette <- food I mean
[19:56] jonnyb hibye amette
[19:56] amette hibye jonnyb :)
[19:57] luciash nelsonko: on my local copy of trunk
[19:57] luciash i will try on nextdoc
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[20:00] luciash nelsonko: ok, it works only if you come from other page than tiki-admin_modules.php (e.g. Home) - not very convenient
[20:00] luciash nelsonko: anyway, bon appétit
[20:02] xavi bbl in 45' or so
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[20:18] jonnyb more tomorrow, byeeee...
[20:40] luciash lgout from trunk works without log error again, thanks whoever fixed it
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[21:51] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: IP based permissions - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=51943
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[21:53] lphuberdeau question... why t_navbar everywhere instead of just navbar?
[21:53] lphuberdeau spacing is wrong with it
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[22:10] amette live.t.o redirects me to bbb which then Loads to 100% and then says "Connecting to the server.................." and nothing happens... any ideas?
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[22:39] amette ok, were several hoops, but managed, cheers
[22:40] fabricius just checked as guest and see you in ... going, cause I'm in a phone conference
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