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[11:19] LordVan hi
[11:26] LordVan Anyone using tiki spreadheet and can tell me how well it works / how mature it is? ;)
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[15:00] olinuxx hi
[15:26] fabricius polom
[15:27] fabricius LordVan, still there? Just saw your question.
[15:27] LordVan yes still here
[15:27] fabricius hi
[15:27] fabricius I am using spreadsheet not intensely, but here and there
[15:28] LordVan so how is it from a usability / stability point of view?
[15:28] LordVan lets say compared to google docs calc
[15:28] fabricius you cannot compare it with OpenOffice or Google Docs .. it is not a fraction same comfortable
[15:28] fabricius BUT
[15:29] fabricius the basic functionality is there
[15:29] fabricius ist seems to be stable
[15:29] LordVan well i don't need much formular,..
[15:29] fabricius you can include the sheets and even single fields into wikipages
[15:30] fabricius and it is over all well integrated, as long as you are comfortable with JavaScript
[15:31] fabricius no chance for text readers and nonJS (see accessibility for handicapped persons or security issues for JS avoiders)
[15:31] fabricius hence I am half way sure, that the raw output on a wikipage might work without JS
[15:34] fabricius to make it short: I like the sheets feature as an interesting enhancement
[15:36] fabricius for a private or a non-profit project I have no objections to use it, if it meets requirements and in case a huge professional budget project, funding further development might be a worth to consider alternative towards cloud features like google docs
[15:37] fabricius for what you want to use it, if I may ask?
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[16:56] LordVan fabricius, thanks for you answer
[16:56] LordVan and sorry for being afk myself
[16:57] LordVan fabricius, just to document some stuff for a small film project we are doing
[16:57] LordVan fabricius, i mainly want to put things like the list of people,.. in a spreadsheet in there
[16:57] LordVan like who is going with whom in a car,..
[16:58] LordVan anyway i gotta get going but i'll prolly try tiki spreadsheets out later myself
[16:58] LordVan fabricius, thanks again
[16:58] LordVan cya
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[18:50] Telesight What will be the main new features in Tiki14? (the list on tiki.org seems not complete)
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[19:58] LordVan there is no way to get tikiwiki work with postgresql is there?
[20:23] Telesight LordVan: As far as I know, no
[20:23] LordVan damn
[20:23] LordVan i prefer postgres
[20:23] Telesight Why?
[20:23] LordVan well guess i'll set up mariadb quickly
[20:27] LordVan btw
[20:27] LordVan Telesight, just a personal preference ;) -- goes back some years
[20:27] LordVan anyway
[20:27] LordVan if i just want a quick working install (photos, wiki, spreadsheet) which version is best 9.2 or the dev version ? ;)
[20:28] Telesight Well MySQL is not bad, the whole internet is running on it ..
[20:30] LordVan Telesight, i had some bad experiences back in the day and also i don't like oracle (which is why i am going to use mariadb)
[20:31] LordVan anyway more importantly: 9.2 is the best idea to get somethign up and running quickly right?
[20:31] LordVan or was there something good with spreadsheets in the newest dev one?
[20:33] Telesight I am not familiar with MariaDB, I use Mysql 5.x
[20:34] LordVan Telesight, well they forked it for several reasons
[20:34] LordVan also there was some pretty nasty mysql bug a while ago (with sorting) -- some people who use dbmail suffered from that
[20:37] Telesight Ok, sad.
[20:39] LordVan yeah dbmail stores different chunks of an email in different rows if it's longer
[20:39] LordVan so because of the sorting problem they all got gibberish
[20:39] LordVan anyway
[20:39] LordVan i gotta decide about which version to use for my little project ^ ^  prolly latest STABLe though hehe
[20:42] Telesight so it became a poem generator ...
[20:42] LordVan Telesight, well yes but of mime-parts
[20:43] LordVan like a bit of base64 encoded pdf in the middle of your email text
[20:46] fabricius LordVan: hi
[20:46] fabricius there is something between 9.x and trunk
[20:47] fabricius 12 LTS old style theming/template system, but new style themes structure
[20:48] LordVan fabricius, hm what would you suggest?
[20:48] LordVan oh and thanks for your advise earlier :D
[20:49] fabricius 13 new style theming/template system based on Twitter Bootstrap .. might be a bit of a bumby road for a productive project up to 15 LTS, but on the other hand no transition necessary of a lot of non-Bootstrap to Bootstrap afterwords
[20:52] fabricius So I support a midsized NGO project at the moment who do a transition from Joomla!/MediaWiki to Tiki and strongly advised them to use 13 ... but they have tecchies and a bunch of people and can cope with a bumpy road ... 12 can be another very good alternative, especially, when responsive Bootstrap design is not an issue for a longer period
[20:52] fabricius stability: 12
[20:52] fabricius design: 13
[20:52] fabricius plans to go to 15: 13
[20:54] fabricius so both have advantages and disadvantages ... I am one of the guys, who completely focus on 13, but I know mostly what I do, have a good connection to the devs (as active community member) and have recommended and supported the switch to Bootstrap
[20:55] LordVan fabricius, well i just want to set up a completely fresh install where i need photo storage, wiki/text stuff and a spreadsheet
[20:55] LordVan so no migration
[20:55] LordVan and nothing long time
[20:55] fabricius do you have a good knowledge in HTML, know Bootstrap, know Tiki since a while, do not fear a bumpy road, etc. then 13 is fine
[20:56] LordVan it  is likely that i take it off in 2 mohts
[20:56] fabricius then maybe better go with 12
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[20:57] fabricius technically an upgrade from 12 to 13 is no problem anyway, but adapting configuration and content might need more time and thinking than usual, cause of the design changes to default responsiveness
[20:59] LordVan fabricius, definitely 12 then ^ ^
[20:59] LordVan but i somehow donÄT get the version numbers to be honest
[20:59] fabricius if you have a look at the Tiki community websites which have been upgraded, you might see what I mean ... looks like a bad situation, but just needs a new appropriate theme and some reconfiguration in respect of design, layout and up to date parts of the content
[20:59] LordVan 9.2 , 12, 13, .. ?
[21:00] fabricius 9.x, 12.x, 13.x are the branches
[21:01] fabricius as 13.0 (alpha / pre-release) was branched a few weeks ago, now trunk is the pre-14
[21:01] fabricius once 14.0 will be branched, then trunk will be the pre-15
[21:02] fabricius and so on
[21:02] fabricius the branches are getting minor upgrades step by step over the weeks and month
[21:02] LordVan ok but why keep 9.x around?
[21:03] LordVan i thougth that 12.2 is LTS
[21:03] fabricius like 9.0 alpha/pre-release, 9.0 beta (alpha and beta are not really official namings afaik), the 9.0 RC1, RC2, ... (release canditates) and then finally 9.0
[21:04] fabricius 9.x is an LTS branch still supported
[21:04] fabricius actually the long term support period is longer than the next LTS release
[21:04] LordVan ah
[21:05] LordVan that is what i found confusing
[21:05] fabricius what I see as not bad
[21:05] LordVan so i will get 12 ;)
[21:05] fabricius ok, so maybe we have to explain that better
[21:05] LordVan well tbh i did not look a lot
[21:05] LordVan i just looked at the main download page and was like .. hmm
[21:05] fabricius a version is not getting the LTS status from .0, but only later, when proven in production
[21:05] LordVan what .. latest stable 9.2 .. ok whatever i take that
[21:05] LordVan ;)
[21:06] LordVan fabricius, makes sense
[21:06] fabricius take the latest 12
[21:06] LordVan ok thanks :D
[21:06] fabricius since a few years, not changed up to now, we have a 6 month release period and every third version LTS
[21:07] LordVan :)
[21:07] fabricius so 3.x LTS, 6.x LTS, 9.x LTS, 12.x LTS, 15.x LTS
[21:07] fabricius and that is why one has to decide whether or not taking the bumby road 13 and 14 to 15
[21:08] fabricius so now I think that is all to know up to the detail
[21:08] fabricius have to VoIP now (call coming in)
[21:08] fabricius c u later
[21:19] LordVan k ;) thanks again
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[22:04] fcpd I have TikiWiki 12.2 installed. My Admin panel only displays Upgrade to 12.2  I would like to upgrade to 13.x  How to I do this via the Admin panel? Thanx!
[22:08] fabricius hi fcpd: I think, you have to do at the server first
[22:08] fcpd could you refer me to a page wherein I could learn how to do this, server side? I am comfortable and have cPanel, but I do not want to loose all my trackers.  ;)
[22:09] fcpd thanx for the quick reply btw
[22:12] LordVan hm i accidentally applied a profile twice
[22:12] LordVan now i have the menu at the top more than once
[22:12] LordVan what's the best way to fix this?
[22:12] LordVan ah never mind found it
[22:12] LordVan admin->menus ^^
[22:59] LordVan can i change my tikiwiki to not let non-registered users see any content easily?
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