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[00:34] fabricius see IRC
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[05:42] hrsms I am using PluginTracker, and I discard the data on save.  I have the url parameter set, and I want to include one of the values entered in the form as a url parameter,  Something like mysite.com/PagePluginPointsTo?param={$f_5}.  I tried this, but it is the string "{$f_5}" each time.  Is this possible?
[05:50] fabricius hrsms: why you discard the data on save?
[05:52] hrsms I don't intend to keep the data.  It's part of an attempted workaround for a "wish" I just filed.  I have a tracker with a category field.  I tried to use that in PluginTrackerFilter, but it does not work.  Only "any" is displayed (more...)
[05:54] hrsms So I thought I could use PluginTracker, using only this category field.  And when the user hits save, direct the user back to the same page but with the category selected in the url.  Then I can use that value in PluginTrackerList, in the filter field.
[05:54] fabricius I do not really read, what you want to achieve with this: mysite.com/PagePluginPointsTo?param={$f_5}
[05:55] fabricius what you want to do?
[05:55] hrsms If you don't mind, go to http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder?builder=81
[05:57] hrsms Then try http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder?builder=76
[05:57] fabricius are you looking for this:
[05:57] fabricius tiki-index.php?page=SubmitOrder&autosavefields=5&autosavevalues=tikiwiki
[05:57] fabricius mysite.com/PagePluginPointsTo?autosavefields=5&autosavevalues=whatsoever
[05:57] fabricius ?
[05:59] hrsms I looking at it...
[06:00] fabricius humm hrsms: istn't the above working well?
[06:00] fabricius two different listings
[06:00] fabricius actually I find it quite smart
[06:01] fabricius what I am missing is the following:
[06:01] hrsms My problem is getting the 81 or 76 in there.   Give me a sec, and I'll post the source.
[06:02] fabricius when I go to http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder , then the page is empty ... no list, no way to filter
[06:02] fabricius ah now I understand
[06:03] hrsms I am using PluginTracker so the user can pick a category,... {tracker trackerId="27" fields="217" showmandatory="n" url="Models by Builder?builder={$f_217}" discarditem="y"}
[06:03] fabricius in the prefill field ind the tracker you want to write the field Id
[06:03] hrsms But the selected value does not replace {$f_217}
[06:03] hrsms When the value is there, I filter on it using PluginTrackerList:    {trackerlist trackerId="27" sort_mode="f_217_asc" filterfield="217" exactvalue="{{builder}}" wiki="ModelGalleryTemplate"}
[06:04] fabricius builder is the name of the trackerfield I assume
[06:04] hrsms Actually, no.  I did not think the name had to match.  It's just a url parameter, no?
[06:05] hrsms I think the name of the field is "Modeller
[06:05] hrsms oops.  "Modeller".  I just checked, and that is correct.  Doesn't need to match though, I think.
[06:07] fabricius anyway ... the word builder must be defined somewhere ... when you autofill the trackerfield, how should Tiki know the Id of the field item before or whilst creation? Tiki has to look up the database first, to find out the Id number, which obviously is not existing at that point
[06:07] fabricius Just thinking
[06:08] hrsms I did not understand "in the prefill field ind the tracker you want to write the field Id".  I do not want to prefill any tracker field values.  I want the user to pick a value, and then pass that along via the url so that the TrackerList plugin picks it up.
[06:08] fabricius ahhh hmmmm
[06:08] hrsms See filterfield="217" exactvalue="{{builder}}" in the code above.
[06:09] fabricius existing modellers/builders?
[06:10] hrsms Yes.  So in the example I gave you, a gentleman named Bill Altice has the category "81".  If the user picks that, I want to send them to url="Models by Builder?builder=81.
[06:10] hrsms But in my attempt, I get url="Models by Builder?builder={$f_217} instead
[06:11] fabricius you GET this URL?
[06:11] fabricius by Tiki?
[06:11] fabricius "Models by Builder?builder={$f_217}" <- this way?
[06:11] hrsms If I understand you, yes.  If you don't mind, go to http://www.hrsms.org/home/tiki-editpage.php?page=Models+by+Builder, pick any name, and hit "Filter"
[06:12] fabricius You do not have permission to edit this page.
[06:13] hrsms Sorry.  I didn't mean to have the edit link..  http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder
[06:13] fabricius I might still have a user ... might have forgotten pw - would you mind to check pls?
[06:13] fabricius ah then better
[06:13] fabricius Select a modeller
[06:13] fabricius You do not have permission to insert an item
[06:14] hrsms Pick any user, hit filter, and you will be directed to http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder?builder={$f_217}
[06:14] fabricius hrsms: I have a very very rough idea, what might be wrong
[06:14] fabricius there is NO USER to pick there!
[06:14] hrsms Hmmm.  I guess that is a wish.  When the discard item option is set, it should not need that permission.
[06:15] fabricius pls logout and check yourself
[06:21] hrsms I set (tiki_p_create_tracker_items) for anonymous, then logged out and tried again.  Unfortunately, it now requires you fill in a captcha.  Where did that come from?
[06:22] fabricius anonymous need captcha is default setting
[06:22] fabricius ?page=security or so
[06:22] hrsms I can make a static list of links for each member that has models.  There are not that many, and models are not added that quickly - they take time ;-)
[06:23] hrsms I was hoping to do it a little smarter, and with less room (drop-down).
[06:23] fabricius I see
[06:23] fabricius pls try this:
[06:24] fabricius assuming that the values are in a tracker
[06:25] fabricius replace {$f_217} with fields=217
[06:25] fabricius or field=217, if the first does not work
[06:26] fabricius I go to the doc and look for a potentially more appropriate parameter
[06:28] hrsms replace "builder={$f_217}" with "fields=217"?
[06:29] fabricius try pls
[06:29] fabricius but I think somewhere in your genious idea are a few wires crossed
[06:31] fabricius you add a new item to the tracker, which you do not save, but by choosing the builder you add something to the url ... you are pushing Tiki somewhere
[06:32] fabricius I just do not yet understand, if you push in the same direction where Tiki pulls, of if you work against each other
[06:32] hrsms pushing somewhere?  Is that good or bad ? :-)
[06:33] fabricius if you and Tiki move the idea to the same direction that would be good, yes
[06:34] fabricius fighting against each other, I'd say merely not so pretty much ... good
[06:34] hrsms I think that I will do this:   I will create a new tracker (rather than trying to use 27 in both PluginTracker and PluginTrackerList)....
[06:34] fabricius I would have to look further into it, maybe see the code (wikisyntax) and maybe the tracker ... but I am tired now, it is 6:34pm and I have to sleep a few hours
[06:36] fabricius the goal seems clear: you choose the builder and be linked to the builders wikipage with a builder specific url-parameter
[06:36] hrsms This new tracker will have two fields, the user and a url to http://www.hrsms.org/home/Models%20by%20Builder?builder=X, where X is the category for the builder.  Then I can use to TrackerList plugins, instead of Tracker and TrackerList.  If you give me an email address, I'll send you an update.
[06:36] fabricius smart idea and nearly there, but where are te wires crossed?
[06:38] fabricius ouch
[06:39] fabricius so reduce it from off]
[06:39] fabricius lovely those error-40
[06:39] fabricius as always said: PEBCAK
[06:39] fabricius hehe
[06:40] hrsms ???
[06:40] fabricius Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
[06:40] hrsms :-)
[06:40] fabricius :-)
[06:40] hrsms I will use that at work, for sure!
[06:40] fabricius hehe
[06:40] fabricius and do not forget error 40
[06:41] hrsms Sorry.  You will have to educate me on that also.
[06:41] fabricius you know, this error is sitting 40 centimeter in front of the screen
[06:41] fabricius ususally
[06:42] hrsms Got it!
[06:42] fabricius took a while
[06:42] fabricius :-P
[06:42] fabricius kidding
[06:43] fabricius less than a minute is always good
[06:43] hrsms I .... ummm... was typing and didn't see your response?   yeah.....
[06:43] fabricius :-D
[06:43] hrsms I had to convert to inches first
[06:43] fabricius really kidding
[06:43] fabricius ahh converting problems - I always forget this shure
[06:44] hrsms Error 15 in the USA ;-)
[06:44] fabricius already started to calculate
[06:45] fabricius yeah, take this one for the work ... much better than 40 due to system of measurement
[06:45] fabricius you have imperial system? or is it called differently in USA?
[06:45] hrsms We do enginerring software.  Most of our customers use metric.  We're actually quite use to it.
[06:46] hrsms Imperial?  Hmm.  Yes, it is called that, but maybe more in England.
[06:46] fabricius as said, up to a minute is ok
[06:46] fabricius imperial compared to metric
[06:47] hrsms I think we usually call it "standard" or "english" units
[06:47] hrsms Imperial is for the queen ;-)
[06:49] hrsms Time for sleep here also.  Thanks.
[06:50] fabricius ok, see you
[06:50] fabricius and categories might be a way to try
[06:52] hrsms these are categories.  I am trying to get around that categories do not work in TrackerFilter plugin
[06:53] hrsms More later.  Good night.
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[13:06] jonnyb pom pom polom
[13:14] fabricius polom jonny
[13:14] jonnyb hi fabricius
[13:14] fabricius jonnyb
[13:14] fabricius how are you? hope all well
[13:14] jonnyb ok thanks - you too?
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[13:53] fabricius yupi, good so far
[13:53] fabricius doing stuff, so frequently afk ;-)
[13:55] jonnyb stuff can be like that :)
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[14:21] XGuarden im back
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[14:53] aalex Hello
[14:53] aalex What is wrong with my Tiki trunk installation? I just applied the community profile. http://swingster.net/tiki-index.php
[14:54] jonnyb hi aalex
[14:54] aalex It seems like it's showing templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.tpl
[14:54] aalex hi jonnyb
[14:54] jonnyb looks ok to me - i see the default collab home page
[14:55] aalex oh
[14:55] aalex not me
[14:56] aalex I see only this: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/aalex/3e0e641624e5537d55b4/raw/3ca6645af8dac2bd7954877fe1ad179105592ed8/gistfile1.txt
[14:56] aalex that must be since I am logged in.
[14:56] aalex there must be a problem with trackerlist plugin
[14:56] aalex it's a fresh install
[14:56] jonnyb you see that in the browser? or in the page source?
[14:59] aalex that's the source, indeed
[15:00] aalex it translates as only some headers of an empty table.
[15:00] aalex I disabled the calendar and the trackers and now it's ok.
[15:01] jonnyb i expect the profiles need some updating for tiki 14, but that usually happens just before the release
[15:04] aalex ok
[15:05] XGuarden hello
[15:05] aalex if I delete a tracker, it should delete all its entries, right?
[15:05] aalex hello XGuarden
[15:05] XGuarden I have some question =:0)
[15:06] aalex please go ahead and ask :)
[15:07] jonnyb aalex: yes, deleting a tracker will delete it's items (and fields)
[15:08] aalex thanks jonnyb :)
[15:08] XGuarden ok
[15:09] XGuarden My page: http://uni-action.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Changement+de+pilotes&highlight=pilote
[15:10] XGuarden Curently I use tab for each version of windows
[15:11] XGuarden Can I automaticly just make appear to user the wiki for his opperating system or a selected ok
[15:13] jonnyb hi XGuarden - it looks to me like they don't worjk properly, changing tabs on one set of tabs affects the other ones (and the top level ones don't seem to do anything)
[15:14] jonnyb they all seem to have the same "name" attribute: data-name="user_tabset_01"
[15:15] XGuarden right
[15:15] XGuarden my bad I guest
[15:15] XGuarden im now with tikiwiki
[15:15] XGuarden new
[15:16] XGuarden but changing tab on the main page did't give error, jsute on this page
[15:16] jonnyb not necessarily your bad - tiki 13 has lots of new stuff and some thing like this need fixing still
[15:17] XGuarden I use this code: {BOX()}{include page="Préalables à la procédure de changement du pilote d'imprimante"}{BOX}
[15:18] XGuarden the second one: {BOX()}{include page="Accéder à la configuration des imprimantes"}{BOX}
[15:18] XGuarden So I not using the name attribute
[15:18] XGuarden how to use it?
[15:18] XGuarden Im not sore of the syntax
[15:19] jonnyb http://uni-action.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Accéder%20à%20la%20configuration%20des%20imprimantes seems to work ok
[15:19] aalex yeah, those curly braces are not that easy to use at first.
[15:19] jonnyb :)
[15:19] XGuarden like this?: {BOX()}{include page="Accéder à la configuration des imprimantes" attribute: data-name="user_tabset_01"}{BOX}
[15:19] XGuarden Yah te page you jsut page work ok
[15:20] XGuarden *you just past..
[15:20] jonnyb no, somewhere you must have some {TABS()}bla bla {TABS} which makes the tabsets
[15:21] XGuarden ok
[15:21] XGuarden So I gest it's a bug then
[15:21] XGuarden {TABS(name="user_tabset_01" tabs="Windows XP|Windows Vista|Windows 7|Windows 8" toggle="y" inside_pretty="n")}
[15:21] XGuarden all my tab have exactly this header
[15:22] jonnyb that's why they're getting mixed up - each one has the same name, so just remove the    name="user_tabset_01"   bit from each one
[15:22] jonnyb or make sure they have something different in each one
[15:24] XGuarden What is the difference between put a different name and remove it?
[15:26] XGuarden thanks that fix 2 trouble in same time =:0)
[15:27] XGuarden now: {BOX()}{include page="Préalables à la procédure de changement du pilote d'imprimante"}{BOX}
[15:27] jonnyb without a name set the plugin picks a different one for each tab set, if you supply one it will use it so you have to take care of them being different
[15:27] XGuarden can I make it appear not in a box?
[15:28] jonnyb yes, just don't use the {BOX} tags around it
[15:28] jonnyb in fact, why is it an included page?
[15:28] XGuarden A page can include a lot of subpage and at the end the text is to much on the right, if I remove the box maybe that will be better
[15:29] XGuarden Like I said, im noew with tiki wiki =:0)
[15:29] XGuarden it's because this page will be use in a lot of place
[15:29] jonnyb personally i would only use include pages if the content needs to appear on several pages, but that's up to you :)
[15:30] XGuarden your right.... I fixed it
[15:30] jonnyb :)
[15:30] XGuarden I thinking that I must usge box for use include, but it's not the case =:0)
[15:31] jonnyb no, that just puts a div round whatever's inside it - so you can specify wirdth & background colour etc
[15:36] aalex Wow! It really takes two minutes to change the whole color scheme of a web site with Bootstrap. - and it looks consistent.
[15:36] aalex http://swingster.net/
[15:36] aalex (that's after a few minutes)
[15:37] aalex I am not sure how to configure the home page for registered users.
[15:40] jonnyb have a look at group homepages, aalex
[15:41] jonnyb https://doc.tiki.org/Groups
[15:42] aalex thanks jonnyb
[15:45] XGuarden Now it's better on my site =:0) on my sub menu I use tab for opperating system.
[15:45] XGuarden Any way to automaticky maker usg
[15:45] XGuarden maker user select opperating system somewhere and after only topic for his system will appear?
[15:45] XGuarden Or use dropdownbox
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[15:52] chibaguy_ hi everybody.
[15:52] chibaguy_ AndrewC-L is my son. He's going to do some Japanese translations for us.
[15:53] AndrewC-L Hi
[15:53] AndrewC-L Can I have commit access?
[15:54] chibaguy_ Ok. I have to put on the wizard hat and cloak. Just a second....
[15:55] chibaguy_ Are you familiar with the 3 Rules for committing to the Tiki project?
[15:55] AndrewC-L Yes
[15:55] chibaguy_ Ok.
[15:55] chibaguy_ Do you have a Sourceforge user name?
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[15:56] AndrewC-L Yes, it's andrew-cl
[15:58] chibaguy_ Ok.
[15:58] chibaguy_ You're in!
[15:58] chibaguy_ Welcome to the Tiki Community!
[15:59] AndrewC-L Thanks!
[16:00] jonnyb hi AndrewC-L welcome!
[16:00] AndrewC-L Hi, Thank you!
[16:06] chibaguy_ OK, AndrewC-L, it's official now: you're added to our list at Sourceforge.net.
[16:06] AndrewC-L Ok, Thanks!
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[16:07] * jonnyb applauds politely
[16:08] jonnyb XGuarden: re picking the user's OS to set the tabs up, it could probably be done with some custom javascript, if the browsers reveal which Os is being used, would be fiddly to do, but possible
[16:08] jonnyb polom nelsonko
[16:08] nelsonko polom jonnyb
[16:08] XGuarden ok
[16:09] olinuxx hi there
[16:09] XGuarden Anyway to just ask on the top of the page a "filter" for opperating system. Like this user can chosse to filter for specific OS
[16:10] olinuxx hi jyhem Jyhem_laptop; would you have 10 mins for me in private ?
[16:11] jonnyb XGuarden: yes, you could add a select menu or something in an {HTML} plugin, and use that to set the tabs
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[16:11] jonnyb there is also a {VERSIONS} plugin you might like to look at but is probably similar to the tabs one you're already using
[16:12] jonnyb https://doc.tiki.org/PluginVersions
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[16:34] XGuarden ok
[16:37] XGuarden versio relaod page anyway
[16:38] XGuarden Can I use include inside a fancytable for putting tab content somewhere else?
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[16:39] jonnyb i should think so, might mess up the table (html tables aren't suppose to have heading etc in them) but worth having a go
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[17:11] aalex Seems like tiki-login_validate.php doesn't actually update the user to set its email to confirmed. (in trunk)
[17:12] aalex I might have found a bug. ;)
[17:12] * aalex sigh
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[18:35] olinuxx see you all
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[19:01] XGuarden {BOX(style=MyStyle)}Bla Bla Bla){BOX}
[19:01] XGuarden For the style I can use css style
[19:02] XGuarden But where I need to put my css style?
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[19:46] fabricius polom
[19:46] fabricius XGuarden: into the stylesheet
[19:49] fabricius if you want XGuarden, I explain it to you a bit more briefly :-)
[19:51] XGuarden ok
[19:52] fabricius good. I'll go for an overview about the whole picture (few minutes crash course), but before I start, I go for a coffee ... brb
[19:53] XGuarden lol
[19:54] XGuarden I need to acces by my ftp for edit css or build in fonction.
[19:56] fabricius maybe yes, depending what you want to do :-) ... maybe editing the css files make sense
[19:56] fabricius ok I start the crashcourse now .. :D
[19:57] fabricius content management systems (CMS) usually use themes for the design
[19:57] fabricius many CMS use template frameworks like smarty
[19:58] fabricius a theme usually is made from default or custom templates which you find in Tiki in the directory /templates/...
[19:59] fabricius the stylesheet for colors, shadows, borders, etc. you find in Tiki in the directory /styles/...
[20:01] fabricius in the Tiki yoursite.com/admin.php?page=look (Look and Feel) you can choose which of the stylesheet files you want to use for the design, for example at your site: /styles/fivealive-lite.css, which is the default after a fresh installation of Tiki 13 (or is it fivealive.css?)
[20:02] fabricius you could edit tis file to change the design of your site, but that would not be recommended
[20:02] XGuarden ok
[20:02] fabricius this is, because theses files are always shipped with Tiki, when you do an upgrade and you should not customise those default file
[20:03] fabricius so if you find a nice stylesheet you want to use and customise (instead of building a new one from scratch), you do the following:
[20:03] XGuarden If I only want to edit in same time all wiki page(not border layout) just inside thing that I wrote. How I can do that?
[20:04] XGuarden Because for the current "border" layout is corect.
[20:04] fabricius create a new empty file "mytheme.css" in the /styles/ directory
[20:04] XGuarden I only want to be abot to use style the corect wait for format my text.
[20:04] XGuarden ok
[20:06] fabricius if you want to use the options and images of an existing theme like fivealive, you use the name of that stylesheet adding a dash and an additonal name like this: fivealive-myversion.css
[20:07] fabricius you open the stylesheet (ex. fivealive.css) copy the content and paste it to your newly created custom css file
[20:07] XGuarden ok
[20:07] fabricius after that you go to "Look and Feel" in your Tiki and apply the new theme (stylesheet)
[20:08] XGuarden I will do that, I hope I will not broke everything trying to do that lol
[20:09] XGuarden by the way did you need ftp acess for your test?
[20:09] fabricius now you can open your custom stylesheet via ftp, edit it, save it and reload the page to view the effect
[20:10] fabricius no, I do not need FTP access
[20:10] fabricius Robert wanted to know some details about the PHP of your server, but you haven't been there
[20:11] XGuarden ok
[20:11] XGuarden I use godaddy serveur
[20:11] XGuarden php 5.2
[20:11] XGuarden 5.5
[20:11] fabricius I did send him some source code of different states of the wikipage where we were testing and he has seen the behaviour as we did screensharing
[20:12] XGuarden oko
[20:13] fabricius php 5.5 seems to be obvious, as Tiki13, but some settings are always different from server to server and from provider to provider
[20:13] XGuarden If he want to see setting, I can give him aceess
[20:13] XGuarden to cpanel
[20:16] fabricius he wanted to see the php.ini, but it seems that for now he has enough information to fix the major issue ... we found out, that the "filter function" of the FANCYTABLE (and mostlikely the TRACKERLIST) causes problems with wikiLingo, we found out, that at the moment in certain circumstances the editor does not memorise the parsing setting ... actually after any character is edited ... a bug
[20:16] XGuarden ok
[20:17] fabricius we further more concluded, that it mostlikely makes sense, that the actuall connection between WYSIWYG (CKE) and WYSIWYG (medium.js) would be taken apart and "organised" as "either this or that or none of both" setting
[20:19] fabricius so the seesion and the preseding tests on your site did help Robert a lot for making wikiLingo productive-ready
[20:20] fabricius so back to the css: you have one more option to edit the css, but you should use that with care, as it overwrites every stylesheet saved on the server
[20:21] fabricius in Tiki in the Look and Feel you have a textfield for custom css in the tab "Customisation" - it is the first textfield
[20:22] fabricius there you can write any css and save - will be stored in the database. This css overrides the applied theme. Mind to clear the Tiki cash after editing and saving to bring it to effect
[20:22] XGuarden ok but that will not just adjust my wiki articles, that will affect everything
[20:22] fabricius there is not really a risk, as you can delete, save and clear cash at any time
[20:24] fabricius but it is bad, if you forget about a css setting in there and try to change the same css in a theme and get headaches cause it will not change on the site ;-)
[20:24] XGuarden ok
[20:24] XGuarden SO on your point of view
[20:25] fabricius changing css for the wikipages only has nothing to do wether you work in the database or in the file
[20:25] XGuarden The best way to add css style that will aftect all page but not the layout will be..
[20:25] fabricius you must simply find the right selectors
[20:25] XGuarden I try to remove all html code from my page =:0)
[20:27] fabricius for example: if you want to have a certain component looking different in the right culomn, but not affecting anywhere else, you use the class or Id for the area ... #col3 for the right column
[20:28] fabricius so changing the border of boxes only for the right column: #col3 .box {border: 5px solid red;} ;-)
[20:28] fabricius (would not look so good maybe, but as example)
[20:29] fabricius same for the wikipages
[20:30] XGuarden I look poor but... I cant find the css file on my fts, except those in css folder
[20:31] fabricius do not touch the files in /css
[20:31] fabricius further down there must be a folder /styles
[20:33] XGuarden ok found the folder
[20:33] XGuarden I found
[20:33] fabricius for the record: in near future the folder /styles will be found as a subdirectory of the now empty folder /themes ... I am unsure yet about the exact future structure, know it just roughly ... we will see soon
[20:33] fabricius just for testing: you see folders and .css files - work with fivealive
[20:34] fabricius there are two themes called fivealive: fivealive.css and fivealive-lite.css <- mind the dash in the name of the second one
[20:35] XGuarden It's not what I see in the style folder
[20:35] fabricius Tiki automatically allocates both to the folder with the same name /fivealive
[20:35] XGuarden mobile ioa snow folder only
[20:35] fabricius what you see?
[20:35] XGuarden only tpl file inside
[20:36] fabricius .tpl <-> then you are in the folder /templates/styles ... you do not need that yet - this is the custom templates to be auto-allocated to the stylesheets with the same name
[20:36] fabricius this will be changed
[20:37] XGuarden ok
[20:37] fabricius it will be ABOUT this way for themes (not for dafault templates):
[20:37] fabricius )
[20:38] fabricius /s/ ): / ) :
[20:40] XGuarden ok
[20:41] XGuarden Im now at the right place
[20:41] fabricius /templates contain default templates and default and optional layout
[20:41] fabricius /themes contain selfcontained themes
[20:41] fabricius maybe about this:
[20:41] fabricius /themes/themename/styles and /themes/themename/templates and /themes/themename/options
[20:41] fabricius as said I do not yet 100% know what the developers deside ... I guess mainly Louis-Philippe and Gary will deside whilst discussing objections and suggestions in the dev-list
[20:43] fabricius for the meantime you use /styles/mytheme.css and for allocated custom templates which should apply ONLY for this theme: /templates/styles/mytheme/anytemplate.tpl
[20:45] fabricius So in the end: if you just want to test something, or you need a specific css for a custom module, which shall apply independent from any applied theme, then you use the database via Look and Feel, but in general you edit your custom theme
[20:46] XGuarden ok
[20:46] fabricius If you want to use options, respectively create options and if you have theme-specific images, then you create a folder /styles/mytheme (named exactly same as mytheme.css) and a subfolder /styles/mytheme/options
[20:47] fabricius in /styles/mytheme you put the theme-specific images
[20:48] fabricius in /styles/mytheme/options you put .css files which contain ONLY the css selectors and values which shall be different from the main theme (mytheme.css)
[20:49] XGuarden I will have difficulty to apply it but I will try
[20:49] XGuarden When I will understand it corectly I guest that will be easy
[20:49] fabricius it is just easy - just use the fivealive structure as template
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[20:53] fabricius additionally (optionally) you can create a subfolder for each option in the options folder
[20:53] fabricius OUCH that sounds weird now
[20:53] fabricius more easy:
[20:53] fabricius /styles/mytheme/options/optionname /styles/mytheme/options/optionname.css
[20:53] fabricius If you do that, you can just put option-specific images into that folder and use
[20:53] fabricius .selector {background: url ('optionname/image.png");}
[20:54] fabricius the stylesheet options are just nested into the stylesheet folders alike the stylesheet folders in the folder /styles
[20:54] XGuarden SO i copy folder and I copy the file with the file with name fivealive too.
[20:54] fabricius I hope, that I did not confuse you too much
[20:55] fabricius as said: fivealive has several options and can be used as example to understand the structure
[20:55] XGuarden First step, I copy the  folder right?
[20:55] XGuarden And give the name I want for my custum theme
[20:55] fabricius XGuarden: that depends ...
[20:56] fabricius either you want to create a complete standalone theme with optheme option
[20:56] fabricius then you copy the folder and rename it, then copy the css file and rename it aswell
[20:56] fabricius or
[20:57] fabricius or you want to just use a variation of an existing theme and use the existing options
[20:58] fabricius then you do not touch the folder, but only copy and rename the css file but use a combined name like: existingname-newname.css
[20:58] fabricius so the change after the dash
[20:58] XGuarden ooko
[20:58] fabricius and Tiki will recognise the existing name before the dash as allocation to the existing folder
[20:59] fabricius so that is pretty much it
[20:59] XGuarden nice
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[20:59] XGuarden Im not sure with one I utilise I need to check
[20:59] fabricius I think, I should write a documentation about that on themes.tiki.org and link from doc.tiki.org
[21:00] fabricius you can start for example with fivealive-xguarden.css and do some changes
[21:01] fabricius as we use Bootstrap, I think fivealive-xguarden.css should be a copy of fivealive-lite.css
[21:01] fabricius This is a good theme to start testplaying
[21:02] fabricius later you can create one or a few custom options into /styles/fivealive/options
[21:03] fabricius and after that, at any time you can copy the whole bunch and rename to /styles/xguarden/... and xguarden.css and delete all of fivealive you do not want to keep
[21:03] fabricius or you then start from scratch and finally contribute a new theme to Tiki
[21:03] fabricius anyway, I have to go now - am invited for dinner
[21:05] XGuarden ok good bye thanks
[21:05] fabricius maybe later in the evening - do you want a session on your site for tracker setup training? Just thought about that today afternoon and maybe makle it a screencast ... up to? passion? time?
[21:06] fabricius we could use skype (or else) for audio and together.js for following through the steps
[21:06] fabricius so bye, see you later
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[22:22] refizul polom
[22:23] refizul we can start testing the new mailserver
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[22:31] refizul amette_: hi
[23:41] nelsonko polom refizul
[23:42] nelsonko hi, need to do some testing of mail?
[23:42] refizul nelsonko: hello
[23:42] refizul I've got some organization problems here:
[23:43] refizul one mailbox belongs to someone I never saw on the mailing list
[23:43] refizul probably he won't get the notice in the old mailbox before we switch
[23:44] refizul 2nd problem: who is in charge of the role mailboxes and passwords?
[23:46] refizul regarding testing: the aliases are migrated to @akv.tiki.org and can be tested
[23:46] refizul we cannot test the domain alias setup for @tikiwiki.org and @tiki.org yet
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[23:48] refizul nelsonko: do you have access to the old setup?
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[23:48] refizul it would be helpful if someone checks the aliases old/new
[23:48] refizul amette: hi
[23:49] nelsonko sorry, one at a time
[23:50] nelsonko one issue at a time
[23:50] nelsonko (1) one mailbox belongs to someone - who is it?
[23:56] nelsonko refizul ^