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   <br> polom
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   olinuxx: guten tag fabricius
   fabricius: hi olinuxx
   <br> jut pooped in by autoconnect
   <br> have to leave again .. working all day
   <br> bubu
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   luciash: hiya all
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   <br> wutt
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   <br> polom
   luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: hi gary
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   <br> pom pom polom
   <br> hi xavi - long time no (IR) see :)
   xavi: polom-back
   <br> yes jonny :-)
   <br> I'm at work already, first day I re-use irc from behind the work proxy, etc. after  more than a year with no connection from here....
   jonnyb: nice, well done
   xavi: thks :-)
   <br> unluckily, much less time for tiki at work...
   <br> we are still using Tiki9, and I don't see any time in the next future to upgrade to Tiki12 at least... (maybe in the next months...)
   chibaguy: hi luciash. sorry, was in the shower.
   jonnyb: shame
   chibaguy: hi jonnyb and xavi.
   xavi: hi Gary
   jonnyb: hi chibaguy
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   <br> oops
   <br> so, chibaguy and luciash (and anyone else) - if we are to have theme options (theme_active_option pref?) - how should it work?
   <br> maybe it's on a wiki pages somewhere already?
   -: jonnyb reads http://themes.tiki.org/How+To+Add+a+New+Theme
   chibaguy: jonnyb, I don't know. As I understand it, LP doesn't like having multiple files for a theme. Maybe kind of a unilateral decision to get rid of the old system.
   jonnyb: but that's what the C stands for, i thought?
   chibaguy: C?
   jonnyb: Cascading?
   chibaguy: ah
   jonnyb: but maybe with LESS there's no point in that?
   chibaguy: Well, for anyone using Less and variables to make themes, it's really just as easy to do another full theme than to make a parent theme and an option.
   jonnyb: i still can't compile LESS properly :(
   luciash: I wonder why should not we have theme options ?
   chibaguy: Or to make an option for a theme, rather.
   luciash: ahh, those less guys
   <br> :)
   chibaguy: I think options are useful for people who don't want to use variables.
   jonnyb: indeed - seems like madness to duplicate the entire css if you just want to change a few colours
   chibaguy: and just want to overwrite some rules.
   luciash: yep
   jonnyb: having to use LESS does make it quite a bit harder to contribute
   luciash: it is also more work when something changes in main theme, you need to recompile option ?
   <br> is there some technical difficulty to continue to use the option system we had till now ?
   chibaguy: Well, maybe so, if the option touches the changed part.
   jonnyb: presumably
   chibaguy: according to LP
   jonnyb: yes, luciash - the themes have been implemented as a totally separate new system
   luciash: that kinda sucks
   chibaguy: What I did for the fivealive options in trunk is just put an import statement at the top, to get the main theme file.
   <br> kludgy but it works.
   luciash: ah, so no problem then ?
   jonnyb: so the option files are just the changed bits?
   chibaguy: but for the time being anyway, the url has to be input in the custom theme file text field to select the theme.
   <br> yes
   <br> as before.
   luciash: what is the problem then ? the options do not appear in the dropdowns ?
   <br> sorry i seem to be far off
   chibaguy: right
   jonnyb: totally different dropdowns
   <br> the styles dir has gone from trunk
   luciash: i know but i presumed the options will be just moved from styles/Foo/options/ to themes/Foo/options/
   jonnyb: nope, sadly not
   chibaguy: it seems the new themes directory mirrors the bootstrap directories, with themes/mytheme/css/tiki.css and themes/mytheme/less/tiki.less
   luciash: where are they supposed to be then ?
   chibaguy: I think you're right about themes/Foo/options/(probably then css/tiki.css).
   <br> According to Torsten, LP has an idea about options implementation but I don't know what it is.
   <br> Obviously it'd be good to know.
   jonnyb: preferably before we release 14 :)
   chibaguy: (that is, themes/Foo/options/Optionname/css/tiki.css)
   <br> yeah, preferably. ;-)
   <br> jonny, would you like to skype or email LP?
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   jonnyb: ok, will do
   chibaguy: thanks.
   jonnyb: i agree on the suggested files layout, should support themes/Foo/options/Optionname/templates/credits.tpl etc
   <br> maybe also fints etc?
   <br> fonts
   <br> i'll mail the devlist, don't think LP is on the arty one
   luciash: yes, +10
   chibaguy: right
   <br> Currently each theme folder contains css, fonts, icons, images, less, and templates subdirectories.
   luciash: sounds good
   jonnyb: right - how does that fit in with the new iconset thing? i don't quite see why we have icons per theme and other ones with a pref (or do we?)
   chibaguy: yeah, I don't know. Seems like icon overkill.
   <br> I think it was two separate initiatives.
   luciash: iconset does not install in themes/Foo/icons/ ?
   chibaguy: No, it's more global, it's in themes/iconsets/
   luciash: I see
   chibaguy: the theme and the icon set are each configurable separately.
   <br> (as things are now)
   luciash: can a theme then override global iconset ?
   <br> (could/should ?)
   chibaguy: Probably it should be able to. I don't think the implementing has gotten that far yet. gezza is working on it.
   Tiki-KGB: 03jyhem r52745 10branches/13.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl * [FIX] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
   <br> 03jyhem r52746 10trunk/templates/admin/include_login.tpl
   <br> [FIX][bp/r52745] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
   <br> 03jyhem r52747 10branches/12.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl
   <br> [FIX][bp/r52745] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
   chibaguy: If you have ideas or suggestions, etc. please edit dev.tiki.org/Icons :-)
   <br> or post on the dev list
   jonnyb: ok, have sent an email to the dev list re: options
   <br> hope it's ok :)
   <br> by the way, is http://themes.tiki.org supposed to be using tikinewt them?
   luciash: eh, nope, weird
   jonnyb: :P
   luciash: i would expect fivealive-lite grape iirc
   jonnyb: me2
   chibaguy: heh, I wonder if I did that. I'll switch it back anyway.
   <br> Time to sleep here.
   <br> g'night.
   jonnyb: nite nite, chibaguy
   Tiki-KGB: 03jonnybradley r52748 10trunk/lib/core/Services/Payment/Controller.php
   <br> [ENH] payments: Add a new action to add mulitple items to a cart (used in custom code only so far)
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   Tiki-KGB: 03jonnybradley r52749 10branches/ 1012.x 1012.x/lib/comments/commentslib.php
   <br> Various forum fixes from 13.x - part 3 (process_inbound_mail fixes 1)
   <br> [bp/r52693][FIX] forums: Several fixes and improvements for process_inbound_mail for forums (was quite broken).
   <br> Use the html part if there's no text part available, and use the root 'body' section as a last resort (it's usually the source)
   <br> Ignore error report emails (needs more testing and possibly logging)
   <br> Try and find the message referred to in in-reply-to and use that topic if there is one
   <br> Also some code tidying and comments added
   <br> [bp/r52694][FIX] forums: Restore mail in operation for feature_wiki_discuss.
   <br> Had been totally commented out as there was no feature or page_exists check - added them.
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   Tiki-KGB: 03jonnybradley r52750 10branches/ 1012.x/templates/admin/include_forums.tpl 1012.x 1012.x/lib/comments/commentslib.php 1012.x/lib/prefs/forum.php
   <br> Various forum fixes from 13.x - part 4 (process formatted mails)
   <br> [bp/r52714][ENH] forums: If using WYSIWYG use the html part in process_inbound_mail if available. Needs to be purified (before parsing to wiki if wysiwyg_htmltowiki) as email html can be messy
   <br> [bp/r52733][FIX] forums: Make the recently added "parse html in incoming forum emails" optional with a new pref, as it often cannot cope with complicated table based html emails.
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   <br> Various forum fixes from 13.x - part 5 (avatars)
   <br> [bp/r52741][FIX] forums: Use modifier avarize as tiki-show_user_avatar.php is buggy and doesn't support static avatars
   <br> [bp/r52742][FIX] forums: Use modifier avarize as tiki-show_user_avatar.php is buggy and doesn't support static avatars (missed some)
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   Jyhem: polom
   <br> anyone playing with Tiki on cloudy platforms ?
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   luciash: <u>Jyhem</u>: hi, nope, sorry
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   Tiki-KGB: 03jyhem r52752 10trunk/ 10lib/setup/absolute_urls.php 10lib/prefs/feature.php 10templates/admin/include_general.tpl * [FIX] Make it (r52330) optionnal
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