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Tiki-KGB03jyhem r52753 10branches/13.x/ 10templates/admin/include_general.tpl 10lib/setup/absolute_urls.php 10lib/prefs/feature.php
[FIX][bp/r52330][bp/r52752] Check if behind a Frontend-Proxie/Load-Balancer which rewrites ports (some cloud offerings need this) (thanks Soulou)
03jyhem r52754 10branches/12.x/ 10lib/setup/absolute_urls.php 10lib/prefs/feature.php 10templates/admin/include_general.tpl
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New Forum Posts: mathematical calculation tracker field - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53635
New Forum Posts: Adminusers.php does not allow me to add users or groups - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=53633
Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5481 		[00:57]
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Tiki-KGB03jyhem r52755 10branches/13.x/ 10tiki-admin.php 10templates/admin/include_sefurl.tpl 10lib/prefs/feature.php 10tiki-setup.php
[FIX] Give enough control on canonical urls to actually permit preventing duplicate listings in search engines as advertised 		[02:44]
03jyhem r52756 10trunk/ 10lib/prefs/feature.php 10templates/admin/include_sefurl.tpl 10tiki-setup.php 10tiki-admin.php
[FIX][bp/r52755] Give enough control on canonical urls to actually permit preventing duplicate listings in search engines as advertised
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[FIX][bp/r52755] Give enough control on canonical urls to actually permit preventing duplicate listings in search engines as advertised 		[02:52]
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Tiki-KGB03gezzzan r52758 10trunk/lib/setup/theme.php * [FIX] restoring custom.css for themes [09:52]
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Tiki-KGB03jyhem r52759 10branches/13.x/lib/setup/absolute_urls.php * [FIX] Typo
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03jonnybradley r52763 10branches/13.x/lib/comments/commentslib.php
[FIX] forums: Parsing HTML in incoming mails should not be dependant on WYSIWYG, as if wysiwyg_htmltowiki was disabled then the HTML got escaped and was visible in the message. It should happen if feature_forum_parse "Accept wiki syntax" is enabled, and the incoming HTML message will now be parsed to wiki syntax always (if the experimental pref forum_inbound_mail_parse_html is ena
tikiwikibled).
03jonnybradley r52764 10trunk/lib/comments/commentslib.php 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/13.x 52742 to 52763
03jonnybradley r52765 10branches/ 1012.x 1012.x/lib/comments/commentslib.php
[bp/r52763][FIX] forums: Parsing HTML in incoming mails should not be dependant on WYSIWYG, as if wysiwyg_htmltowiki was disabled then the HTML got escaped and was visible in the message. It should happen if feature_forum_parse "Accept wiki syntax" is enabled, and the incoming HTML message will now be parsed to wiki syntax always (if the experimental pref forum_inbound_mail_parse_
tikiwikihtml is enabled). 		[12:24]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: mathematical calculation tracker field - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53635
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Tiki-KGB03gezzzan r52766 10trunk/ 10(9 files in 5 dirs)
[MOD] moving iconsets to themes/base_files, makes more sense to have them there, plus some iconset related icon function modifications. 		[16:00]
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Tiki-KGB03lphuberdeau r52767 10branches/13.x/ 10lib/core/Services/Tracker/Utilities.php 10lib/trackers/trackerlib.php
[FIX] Re-saving an item would cause category changes outside of the tracker interface to be lost 		[18:00]
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gourhiya, is rick still visiting this place? [18:56]
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gourgour wanted to see Jyhem's video, but it's in French :-( [19:16]
Blogs section at http://info.tiki.org/Tiki+Feature+Checklist says "Remote posting". does it mean via email or something else? [19:21]
by checking feature list i wonder whether tiki got so many new stuff or i was blind in the past... [19:27]
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marclaportegour: http://tiki.org/FLOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features
which some people call bloat until they need the feature :-) 		[19:30]
gour_marclaporte: now i see that it also has download counter for stuff - just what we need for tracking e.g. download of our mp3 audio lectures for non-profit org [19:33]
gourmarclaporte: anything happened in regard to: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/29453 [19:35]
marclaportegour: almost everything has been moved to route.php so the number of rules that are specific to the web server is now very small [19:40]
gourmarclaporte: great news. i'll try to test today, a bit later
(with hiawatha behind nginx) 		[19:41]
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aalexjonnyb: I just /query you in a private tab. [19:47]
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marclaportegour: a good way to know about features is http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki14 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki13 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki11 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki10 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki9 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki8 ... [20:16]
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gourwould lot of parts from Tiki for Smarties by Rick still be relevant for v13, v14? [21:36]
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marclaporte: does remote posting in Blogs section at http://info.tiki.org/Tiki+Feature+Checklist denote email posting or something else? [21:54]
marclaporteI suspect it's the XMLRPC feature [21:58]
gourahh, now to find out about some client(s)
marclaporte: are you worried https://www.openhub.net/p/tikiwiki/factoids#FactoidActivityDecreasing or it's just maturity? 		[21:59]
marclaporteYes, I am worried
But not so much because of those stats
those stats can be good or bad depending on the window used for the reference period 		[22:00]
gourwhat else?
indeed 		[22:02]
marclaporteA significant part of the community energy goes from LTS to LTS
So for them, Tiki 13 doesn't exist
They go in "hibernation" and will come back around Tiki14 to make sure what they want is in Tiki 15 LTS 		[22:02]
gourwhy is it so? [22:03]
marclaporte6 month cycle is too fast for them [22:03]
gourheh, skipping over to safe-only releases :-) [22:03]
marclaporteTiki does mostly what they want and upgrading every 18 months is enough for them
and because they hold back in participating to the stable releases, in compounds the problem 		[22:04]
gour6 months is really fast for the business [22:04]
marclaporteMy concern is more about some community members that are unreliable and selfish [22:04]
gouruhh [22:05]
marclaporteIf the unreliable people just got their act together...
If the selfish people stopped thinking just for their short term needs and were more caring for the general community 		[22:05]
gouri must admit that your email (which is, according to my philosophy, not by accident) has put some fire here and gave me some food for thought ;) [22:07]
marclaportehehe
I guess timing was good for you somehow
What we need in Tiki is more leaders and doers
Well, in any project really 		[22:07]
gourjust when i thought i'm leaving idea to get rid of php fully, even user-wise (except piwik which i regulaly use) [22:08]
marclaporteWell, any project has strengths and weaknesses...
Tiki has IMO the best http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle of any similar app 		[22:08]
gouri'd say tiki is really providing a lot for free [22:09]
marclaporteTiki has the best capacity to innovate and keep up with the evolution of the web without people being locked into dead-end plugins /extensions
But it is a vast project
And with Tiki Suite, it does just about anything a typical organization needs
But we simply need more leaders and less selfish people 		[22:10]
gouri've to check with the 'stars' whether to re-consider tiki, but if LTS is really for 'Enterprise' maybe there should be more support from them or less support for them?
otoh, i do not see Suite very interested for me...i prefer to stay in the {personal, nono-profit, small business} niche 		[22:13]
marclaporteTiki Suite is for personal, non-profit, small business niche
But it's for people that want to manage all with FLOSS and Open Standards 		[22:14]
gouris this true: "Feature enhancements are often the fruit of sponsored feature requests, or for needs to deliver a specific project." ? [22:15]
marclaporteYes, and of the vision of some people
So community members that are pro-active will add features before we need them
You see waiting for a customer to need a feature before you start developing it is risky
1- The customer can be in a hurry
2- The first version of a feature is often not so good
3- The right person to develop the feature may not be available at that specific time 		[22:16]
gourwhat do you think how typo3 does manage releases etc:? it seems they have enough people engaged [22:18]
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marclaporteengaged by whom? [22:19]
gourwell, working on the project
although i read about their share of problems, of course
what about simply extending LTS period? 		[22:19]
marclaporteSo I prefer to start features before we need them (find an non-stressful project) and then, when a real project comes around, we are at version 2 of that feature. Some people have vision and plan ahead and some others are always just like in a pinball machine :-)
LTS is 5 years now 		[22:22]
gourahh, 5yrs [22:22]
marclaporteIt's longer than any other PHP project I know of [22:22]
gouri'm glad you have enough customers do live by tiki consulting and developing
*to live 		[22:23]
marclaporteWell, honestly, it's quite easy [22:23]
gourafaik, no consultants in my country [22:23]
marclaporteTiki (and Tiki Suite even more) is something that can useful to any organization in the World
Everyone needs a web site or web collaboration, etc.
If you stay in LTS versions, the bug count is quite low so customers are happy 		[22:24]
gourindeed. here is same, but people don't have money or everything goes over VIP channels only
present tiki uses smarty-3.1? 		[22:25]
marclaporteyup
There is a lot of effort to keep up to date with all the libs
I have read horror stories from other projects 		[22:25]
gourwhich php is min?
ahh, found 5.5. 		[22:26]
marclaporteTiki 12: PHP 5.3
yes, 5.5 for 13,14,15
A benefit of LTS is to be more demanding on requirements for next version 		[22:27]
gourdo you find PHP is progressing as language? you know, there is always lot of bashing from ruby/python people [22:27]
marclaporteYes, it's progressing well
There are versions every year now
and BC is quite good
And each version is faster
and PHP 5.5 has OPCache built-in
Only thing we are behind: We are still at Zend Framework 1.x 		[22:28]
gouris OPCache something new or the modified/renamed some older stuff? [22:29]
marclaporteIt's like Xcache or APC. It used to be non-FLOSS [22:29]
gourahh, that's nice. i remember when apc was supposed to become default [22:30]
marclaporteZend Framework 1.x is still supported, but eventually, the transition will need to happen and that will be a chunk of work.
yes, so OPCache instead of APC 		[22:30]
gouri also wonder how it's possible to dive in into tiki code considering it's such a big chunk and no plugins...it must be overwhelming or one needs some magic? [22:31]
marclaporteWell, it depends
If you need to modify stuff
So Tiki is really good if you upstream
But this means you have to think of others
and make general code for a general use case, with options for what you need
Some devs are allergic to taht
they just want to hack away for their specific needs
And they end up woth a fork
And their customer / project is screwed because it's then hard to keep in sync with project 		[22:32]
gouryeah, price for selfishness [22:34]
marclaporteIf they are on LTS, at least, they get security fixes for 5 years
yes, indeed
what sucks is that the customer bears the cost
while that crappy consultant got paid and moved on 		[22:34]
gourbootstrap could/should make it more attractive...at least, i hope so [22:35]
marclaporteYes, Bootstrap is a game-changer
The whole process is not happening smoothly because of some selfish and unreliable people. So the others have to work even harder to make it all happen 		[22:35]
gourmoreover, having ability for creating content offline (using editor + e.g. asciidoc markup) would be dream-ware for me...having best of both worlds :-) [22:37]
marclaporteyeah, I know! [22:38]
gouratm our non-profit site is using textpattern, but i simply do not like writing online [22:39]
fabriciuspolom [22:39]
gourand i am/was working on migrating site to hugo and now thinking about tiki...life is (sometimes) really strange :-) [22:39]
marclaportehehe [22:49]
decisions decisions [22:54]
gourso Suite is basically attempt to integrate Tiki with some other FLOSS components into somewhat cohesive package while Tiki will still exist/evolve separately? [22:58]
marclaporteyup
the same way Tiki's strength is to reduce complexity by reducing permutations
Each project in Tiki Suite lives and thrives independantly, but we make sure it all works together 		[22:59]
gouryou're not (yet) thinking about what would be required to rewrite for phpng? [23:01]
marclaportenot yet, but because of our all-in-one model, we can do for all features in one go. Just after an LTS [23:02]
gouryeah, that's great feature by-design ;)
marclaporte: btw, what is included in your php dev-environment? 		[23:03]
marclaportewhat do you mean "included"?
you mean: how will folks develop features in the context of Tiki Suite? 		[23:04]
gourmarclaporte: no, your personal environment, editor etc. [23:05]
marclaporteI generally edit directly on the server [23:06]
gourcontent or code?
gour is wondering about code editor 		[23:07]
marclaporteboth
I use nano
and svn commit ;-) 		[23:07]
gourfascinating!! [23:07]
marclaportehttp://suite.tiki.org/Tiki+Suite+Development [23:09]
gouratm, tiki supports only mysql/mariadb with no plans for adding psotgresql?
(based on http://dev.tiki.org/Database+independence) 		[23:11]
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gourtiki's wiki syntax is based on some 'standard' dialect or its own? [23:18]
it looks one can use git to develop - http://dev.tiki.org/Using%20Git%20with%20Tiki it's better than svn (which we never really used) [23:27]
marclaporteWe tried, failed and gave up on supporting PG
There is no standard for wiki syntax. We we willing to join the Wiki Creole standard if MediaWiki / Wikipedia did 		[23:39]
gour1st is ok, but 2nd could be really improved so one can import/export content more easily...another case for asciidoc ;) [23:43]
marclaporteyup [23:44]
gourcan one use GoogleGroup list to sync with forums?
docs is here https://doc.tiki.org/Forum+and+Mailing+List+Synchronization
GG are mentioned, but no docs 		[23:44]
marclaportegour: yes, should work with any mailing list
it's annoying because you end up with 2 databases of users and 2 web versions of the messages
marclaporte hopes Tiki will improve to the point to no longer need the mailing list
Hopefully, we are there with Jonny's latest commits
Jonny has done a fantastic job 		[23:48]
gourhmm, i was thinking it's just one database...e.g. D language has sync of mailing lists with the forums
gour prefers nntp (gmane) for posting via email over web forums :-) 		[23:50]
marclaportehehe [23:50]
gouranyway, it's getting late here...
gour --> sleep 		[23:51]
marclaporteok, good night! [23:51]
gourwill try v13 tomorrow - both install and working (seourls) under hiawatha behind nginx
thanks a lot for all interesting info...will seriously re-consider tiki
...for all my web needs ;) 		[23:51]
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