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Tiki-KGB	03lindonb r53666 10trunk/themes/base_files/ 10css/tiki_base.css 10less/tiki-file_galleries.less [FIX] less: wrong path to toggle icons (weren't appearing on permissions page, for example); a couple of other color changes were generated to the css file - hope these are okay.	[01:30]
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Tiki-KGB	03chibaguy r53667 10trunk/templates/ 10blog_wrapper.tpl 10tiki-view_blog_post.tpl [ENH] Add vertical white space between blog posts (moved panel panel-default classes up to article level because panel has a 20px bottom margin).	[06:58]
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	03chibaguy r53670 10trunk/ 10themes/base_files/css/tiki_base.css 10themes/base_files/less/tiki-blogs.less 10templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl [ENH] Floated blog action icons with clearfix container caused them to overlap blog article; float positioning moved to style sheet rather than be set by class in tpl, for design flexibility.	[07:58]
	03chibaguy r53671 10trunk/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl * [REF] Reinstate good Indentation. 03chibaguy r53672 10trunk/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl [[FIX] Group watch icon had "icon" class, different from others, which caused it to have a different background style.	[08:04]
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Tiki-KGB	03chibaguy r53674 10trunk/ 10themes/base_files/css/tiki_base.css 10themes/base_files/less/tiki-blogs.less 10templates/blog_wrapper.tpl 10templates/tiki-view_blog_post.tpl * [ENH] Move previous-next pager into post footer for more coherent appearance.	[09:36]
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Tiki-KGB	03gezzzan r53675 10trunk/templates/ 10tiki-view_forum.tpl 10comments.tpl [MOD] unify behavior, shorter text (better for translation) and add title for same buttons in two templates	[11:18]
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Tiki-KGB	03gezzzan r53676 10trunk/templates/tiki-forums.tpl * [MOD] provide quick access to forum rankings 03gezzzan r53677 10trunk/lib/prefs/theme.php * [MOD] more precise description	[11:46]
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luciash	polom chibaguy: hi, thanks for the commits, hopefully checkthemout soon	[13:43]
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chibaguy	hi luciash. You're welcome. I wrote up a blog post about it, which might help explain my ideas: http://zukakakina.com/blogpost42-Groundwork-to-implement-FiveAlive-lite-enhancements	[14:10]
lindonb	chibaguy: I’ve been using icon links (not buttons) for action icons, both those at the top right of a listing and those in the action column for individual items items in the list are you using buttons?	[14:14]
chibaguy	hi lindonb. I don't really have a set way. By buttons do you mean the png images? Or do you mean buttons with borders as opposed to just the icon?	[14:15]
lindonb	buttons with borders and padding versus just the icon the buttons take up a lot of space so I have been using just icons for the action items	[14:17]
chibaguy	ah, well, I haven't had to do any customizing down to that level.	[14:18]
lindonb	ok - just wanted you to know in case you do i think gezza is doing the same thing	[14:18]
chibaguy	I was wondering today if there's a style guide or something about this. Because the blog post page uses buttons at top right, unlike the wiki page. Should it be changed? (edit blog, edit blog post, watch, etc.)	[14:19]
lindonb	i personally think those should just be plain icons and this is what I’ve been doing not sure that’s been voted on	[14:20]
gezza	hi guys	[14:21]
lindonb	hi gezza!	[14:21]
gezza	i've been working on somekind of a guideline proposal, will upload it soon	[14:21]
chibaguy	Do you think there is a trend one way or another on the web in general? Like are buttons passe?	[14:22]
lindonb	i would say the real trend is to have a dropdown list with a cool icon	[14:23]
gezza	my aim is to get Tiki to be consistent	[14:23]
luciash	hi gezza and lindonb	[14:23]
lindonb	instead of lots of icons or buttons	[14:23]
chibaguy	hi gezza.	[14:23]
lindonb	but we’re not there yet hi luciash!	[14:23]
gezza	I tried to get a dropdown for actions in lists, but it is not appearing well, bootstrap does not do this well outofthebox inside tables	[14:25]
luciash	luciash reading gary's blogpost	[14:26]
lindonb	so the trend is to go minimal, which is why icons with no spacing and background looks better to me for these smaller actions	[14:27]
gezza	@chibaguy: can you make this page available in the "Themes" menu: https://themes.tiki.org/Icons	[14:27]
chibaguy	gezza, do you mean this IRC page?	[14:28]
gezza	will upload iconset info and guidelines here if this is the right place	[14:28]
chibaguy	Oh, sorry, you mean the Icons page?	[14:28]
gezza	yes, there is a main menu at theme.tiki.org i dont have access to modify it	[14:28]
chibaguy	Ok, Under "Themes" menuSection?	[14:29]
gezza	yes, maybe after CSS or Templates	[14:30]
chibaguy	Ok	[14:30]
gezza	thanks!	[14:31]
chibaguy	Ok, done. :-)	[14:32]
luciash	chibaguy: done reading it... a pity there are comments not open to post for anon chibaguy: will try to put my thoughts here	[14:33]
chibaguy	Ok, thanks, luci. Actually I'll try turning on comments from anon. As long as it doesn't get spammed.	[14:34]
luciash	chibaguy: i am still not sure about introducing more templates than necessary, you know, the maintenance thing... also there is an apparent problem with the previously made social layout - the fixed nav bar is hardcoded and one cannot assign new modules in it (at least i was not able to) chibaguy: cool	[14:35]
chibaguy	luciash, I made these templates as maybe a temporary step. If there's a good way to do the job without them, that's fine. But as I explained, the "Moving headers" layout doesn't really have a new template to maintain.	[14:36]
luciash	chibaguy: so i tried and fied the jonny's way - the profile to apply that fixed top bar - and it works with classic layout - the only problem is to remove the duplicate modules which occurs if you have them already there manually s/fied/fixed/	[14:37]
chibaguy	I need to try the profile still.	[14:38]
luciash	at least it is installable now: http://profiles.tiki.org/Bootstrap_navbar it creates the custom zone and assigns the modules in it as you pointed out in the blog post it is not perfect yet but when polished and custom module with custom CSS and JS targeted at it can be added I think that could be easy enough for user to install that profile too	[14:38]
chibaguy	(Small reverse to the other topic: here's what is difficult about the icon fonts: they don't convey meaning as well as the pngs unless there's a good match. I'm trying to find "profiles" in the admin anchors. :-) )	[14:42]
luciash	chibaguy: ah, I did not quite get that part about the "moving headers" layout :)	[14:42]
chibaguy	Well, it's kind of a strange way, but it works well, I think.	[14:43]
luciash	i like the previous blog post too ;-) yeah, profiles icon is now the pile of boxes	[14:43]
chibaguy	heh. Il I'll add pictures soon. The meaning comes through after we realize what it is.	[14:44]
lindonb	chibaguy: agree on the icon point, we won’t be able tp be as specific with the icons as we used to be which is why I’ve been adding the tips class to get the quick tooltip	[14:44]
chibaguy	I see people posting at the font-awesome website: please add an icon for ____. :-) Right, tips are essential now. I just installed the navbar profile, and it's good to see it works well.	[14:45]
lindonb	chibaguy: by the way, when I put the main menu (42) as horizontal in the top bar, the dropdowns are hidden	[14:47]
chibaguy	I guess somehow the page padding needs to be added to show the content at the top of the page when it's fully scrolled up.	[14:47]
luciash	chibaguy: yes, except the missing logo src image ;)	[14:48]
chibaguy	a z-index problem? or overflow hidden? (about the menu dropdowns)	[14:48]
luciash	chibaguy: yes, padding for main content is needed (formerly middle?)	[14:48]
lindonb	not sure	[14:48]
chibaguy	I'll check. A good point about the templates method is that you can remove the header div, topbar, or whatever, and the body CSS tag lets you have special rules for hiding divs, etc.	[14:49]
luciash	about the icons, the most flexible would be using svg icons too, besides of font icons, because you can create svg icon rather easily... but that would add even more complexity to implement it	[14:51]
chibaguy	I don't know what the strategy is for dealing with the existing header, etc. when the profile is used.	[14:51]
luciash	the strategy is to remove all the previously assigned modules from them manually i guess :-) so they disappear then	[14:52]
chibaguy	I suppose so.	[14:54]
luciash	so yes, the template layout method is kind of better if the user wants to maintain the previous layout of modules as a backup instead of need to remove them	[14:54]
chibaguy	Or you could use custom CSS rules to hide them.	[14:54]
luciash	or for another perspective	[14:54]
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luciash	yeah, but then it would cause unnecessary load on the page hi wolfganga	[14:54]
chibaguy	True.	[14:55]
wolfganga	Can anyone confirm, that using namespaces, the popupwindow in the toc of structures always shows pagename + namespace?	[14:55]
chibaguy	Sorry, I haven't used structures in a while, and never namespaces.	[14:56]
luciash	wolfganga: i cannot remember exactly but there were some issues like that iirc luciash is not using namespaces currently either	[14:58]
chibaguy	lindonb, about the problem with the horizontal menu, is that in any particular layout template?	[15:02]
lindonb	chibaguy: it’s happened on a couple of themes and i think on any page chibaguy: also, correction on icons, the icons at the top right of a wiki page (edit, print, etc.) are now too spaced out for me (they keep changing!)	[15:05]
chibaguy	In trunk?	[15:06]
lindonb	yes	[15:07]
chibaguy	Yes, the icons lost their borders but they still have the padding. We need a btn-compressed class. ;-) or condensed Or just add a rule to reduce the padding in such cases. I was also thinking they're too spread out.	[15:09]
lindonb	that could work too. so far I’ve just been taking out the btn classes and making then pure links or btn-links	[15:15]
chibaguy	I see. But btn has a lot of CSS rules besides padding, so we have to be sure there's no downside in removing it.	[15:16]
lindonb	ok, haven’t noticed any issues so far. doing the same thing for individual action items in a list (eg users list, forum list, wiki page list, etc)	[15:22]
chibaguy	They seem to lose all their padding, don't they?	[15:23]
lindonb	yes	[15:23]
chibaguy	Is that good? :-)	[15:23]
lindonb	it certainly is in the list tables imo, where they repeat for each item	[15:24]
chibaguy	Oh yeah. I was looking at the wiki action icons.	[15:24]
lindonb	yes, one could debate for the action items at the top right of a page but the buttons look really spaced out to me	[15:25]
chibaguy	I was thinking reducing the padding from 12px to 6px looks pretty good in that area.	[15:25]
lindonb	that could work for the top right icons would keep it at no padding for the list tables	[15:26]
chibaguy	I wonder if there's a pattern that would let us have rules for icon padding, etc. Kind of how these are shown in different uses: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/ Specifically, http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#bootstrap It shows different spacing according to use. Anyway, it's shower time here. I'll be back later.	[15:27]
lindonb	yes, that could be helpful to have sizing and style rules. didn’t really see spacing there but maybe that’s built in	[15:34]
chibaguy	It seems like it might be a challenge for Tiki because of how the icon syntax is applied by the code. I think the rules would have to be context-specific, so if there's a pattern of where the padding should be 0 vs. where it's 6px or something, the style sheets can take care of it.	[15:40]
lindonb	if there’s something that could help in the coding we could look at making those changes as well given we’re revamping that now anyway	[15:42]
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Sam_	If I assign permission to view forums of a category for a group, and then add a user to this group, and the user doesn't see the forum. Is that a bug? Or did I miss something? ?	[21:41]
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lindonb	Sam_: I’m not an expert on permissions but there’s been a ton of discussion and work on this since results can be confusing even with no bug. Did you look here: http://doc.tiki.org/Permissions ? Sam_: also, did you solve your menu issue from yesterday? You can have menus that expand upon mouseover at multiple levels	[22:02]
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Sam_	Not really. I was discussing with another member about menus and he confirmed the existence of a bug lindonb: About the permissions thing, the reason why I think there's a bug is because I did this with V13 before, and now it's not working on V12	[22:32]
lindonb	they expand fine for me	[22:33]
Sam_	They do expand, but one can't add expandable menus to menu 43. That was the problem menu 43 was automatically added by the profile community, I suppose	[22:34]
lindonb	do you mean the main application menu that installs with the program? if so, it can be cloned and altered, and the original one hidden	[22:35]
Sam_	There's another menu that was installed by a profile I suppose That was my solution, to clone it. But the menu that was generated by the profile can't have extensions That was the bug	[22:36]
lindonb	so the profile needs to be changed on profiles.tiki.org?	[22:38]
Sam_	I don't think so... I think there's inherently a bug... what does the profile have to do with this? Think about it... the profile just generates a menu!	[22:40]
lindonb	it’s easy to misconfigure a profile, but t sounds like you’re saying that a menu created exactly per the profile settings works when set up manually	[22:44]
Sam_	Yes. I cloned menu 42 and there was no problem with that.	[22:44]
lindonb	I think the main application menu is meant to not be altered	[22:45]
Sam_	It can't be altered. That is 42. You can only clone it and alter it. I'm talking about the menu that's generated by the profile that menu has a problem although it's just a standard menui	[22:47]
lindonb	I think it is intended	[22:47]
Sam_	You're missing the point. I'm sorry... please try to understand what I'm saying. Do you know that the menu you're talking about is menu 42, and I'm talking about 43 that's generated by the profile?	[22:48]
lindonb	what profile was it?	[22:49]
Sam_	community lindonb: Could I ask you a question about search capabilities? Today I think I located another bug in tiki 13.1. So I have a wiki page called "CASPEr experiment", and when I search for "casper" it finds nothing. Is that normal?	[22:49]
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lindonb	works for me did you rebuild the index?	[23:00]
Sam_	Yes Would you like that I give you access and try yourself? I have no problem with that londonb? lindonb?	[23:01]
lindonb	not sure what your use case is, but have you tried the search_wiki_page module? it seems to work well	[23:02]
fabricius	hi hi lindonb and Sam_	[23:03]
Sam_	fabricius saw it yesterday The menu thing and I guess the search problem too	[23:04]
fabricius	yes was strange - untypical but Sam_ created a new menu manually and that works	[23:04]
Sam_	Anyone is welcome to see for themselves	[23:05]
fabricius	the community profile genereated menu had strange behaviour but I think it is sorted enough now - to consider to work on that, the problem should be a) appearing in either 12.3 or 14 b) reproducable = reproduced on show.tiki.org	[23:06]
Sam_	There's still a problem with the search engine. Anyone is, also, welcome to gain credientials and see for themselves	[23:09]
fabricius	imho there is no point to fix s.th. like that in 13, if it only appeared once in a development site yes, search engine is a problem, but I am not sure if it is a Tiki problem I get no errormessage for non-writable index files	[23:09]
lindonb	can’t reproduce the search issue	[23:10]
fabricius	I see the configuration axact same as on a site of mine, where search works ok: searchworks for lindonb -> which version? again a thing to reproduce in show.tiki.org first	[23:11]
lindonb	12 and trunk, which is what I have readily available	[23:12]
fabricius	hey Sam_ I think the last 1 hour nap was quite good for me - feel a bit fresher now ok, and I have trunk upgrade from at 12 following the svn rolling releases (many svn ups through all versions) -search still working It can be, that Tiki's search and some setting on the server might be conflicting what do you think lindonb: this seems to be an issue forour linux guru Frank (refizul here in the chat) - Sam_ you should well desribe the problem to him. He might have an idea, what server setting could cause that. You know Linux well yourself, so it migt be worth a try if he can give you one or another pointer for you to debug the problem	[23:12]
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